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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

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Trith, 19 Aprilioy 2011

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 19 Aprilioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

H kybernhsh proxwra me orama, sxedio kai apofasistikothta sth megalh eqnikh prospaqeia gia thn ejodo apo thn krish kai th dhmioyrgia twn basewn gia thn Ellada toy mellontos, Me orama gia thn pragmatikh allagh ths xwras, gia thn oikonomikh, anaptyjiakh, dioikhtikh kai koinwnikh metarryqmish toy topoy.

Sto kentro ths prospaqeias mas briskontai oi megales tomes poy exei anagkh h oikonomia, to kratos, alla kai h dhmioyrgia mias koinwnikhs synoxhs poy eidika se dyskoles periodoys einai aparaithth.

H kybernhsh prowqei ayth thn prospaqeia, oxi mono me pisth kai proshlwsh, alla kai me sygkekrimeno sxedio. O ``odikos xarths'' apotelei to kentriko, makropnoo kai plhres ergaleio gia thn ylopoihsh ayths ths prospaqeias.

Ena ergaleio sth bash toy strathgikoy sxediasmoy poy qa ejasfalizei synepeia kai staqerothta stis apofaseis sth bash safwn kai programmatismenwn stoxwn me antikeimeno tis megales diarqrwtikes allages poy exei anagkh h xwra, pera apo to jeperasma ths krishs.

Gia prwth fora ylopoioyme ena plhres strathgiko sxedio kai sthn prospaqeia ayth h kybernhsh kineitai me apofasistikothta analogh ths shmasias twn peristasewn kai toy ergoy poy kaleitai na ylopoihsei.

Paramenoyme proshlwmenoi sto ergo mas, xwris na parasyromaste apo kaqhmerines h kai wriaies kindynologies peri dhqen anadiarqrwshs, peri dhqen eilhmmenwn apofasewn. Ayta den mas aforoyn. Emeis synexizoyme kai ylopoioyme to ergo mas. Qetoyme stoxoys megaloys kai filodojoys, alla akrws realistikoys, poy qa eprepe na mpoyn edw kai xronia.

Ayto prospaqoyme na kanoyme. Den mas afora tipote allo. Dinoyme apanthsh se oloys osoi katastrofologoyn kai kindynologoyn, oxi mono twra, alla edw kai enamish xrono. H monh apanthsh einai h poreia ths xwras mas. Mia poreia poy diaceydei ta ekastote senaria peri dhqen xreokopias, peri dhqen symfwnias gia anadiarqrwsh.

Parakalw gia tis erwthseis sas.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei kapoio sxolio ths kybernhshs, epi twn dhlwsewn toy k. 'Oli Ren, poy afhse anoikto paraqyro gia allagh twn orwn toy mnhmonioy;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kamia tetoia skech kai kamia tetoia apofash. Emeis, sto plaisio twn dynatothtwn kai mallon yperbainontas kai tis dynatothtes, diapragmateyqhkame, beltiwsame toys oroys ths symfwnias gia to mnhmonio. H apofash ths 11hs kai ths 25hs Martioy akribws ayto htan: Mesa apo mia sklhrh diapragmateysh petyxame na epimhkynoyme ton xrono apoplhrwmhs toy daneioy, twn 110 dis eyrw. Meiwsame to epitokio kai tyxame kai allwn eyergethmatwn. Ayta ta pragmatopoihsame kai fysika h prospaqeia mas einai na ylopoihqoyn oloi oi stoxoi mas, gia na mporesoyme na pame thn xwra mas mprosta. Ola ta alla senaria, qetika h arnhtika poy akoygontai, genikws, den mas aforoyn. Mas afora ayto poy kanoyme. Kai ayto poy apodeiknyoyme einai oti exontas stoxoys to petyxainoyme.

SPANOY: To gegonos oti den enhmerwqhkan oi armodioi ypoyrgoi, dhladh, o k. Ragkoyshs kai h ka Mpirmpilh, gia thn ypoqesh ths Kerateas, thn opoia xeiristhke o k. Papoytshs, shmatodotei mia nea praktikh ek meroys ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: Kaqe ypoyrgos, dra sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn toy. O sxediasmos kai h ylopoihsh twn sxediwn ths kybernhshs, safws, einai kai syllogikos sxediasmos kai syllogikh apofash. Kaqenas ylopoiei to meros poy toy analogei. En pash periptwsei, as mhn ypobibazoyme th megalh ayth apemplokh apo thn ypoqesh ths Kerateas, mia katastash poy kaqe allo para kalh htan. H entash exei apoklimakwqei. Den yparxei pleon h ekrhktikh katastash poy yphrxe kai apokaqistatai h eirhnh sthn perioxh. Apokaqistatai h oikonomikh zwh ths perioxhs kai kyriws - kai ayto einai to jekaqaro kai to safestato - sta plaisia ths ylopoihshs toy ergoy. Den allazei o sxediasmos kai h ylopoihsh toy ergoy. Den allazei o nomos basei toy opoioy ylopoieitai to ergo. Sto plaisio ths ylopoihshs toy ergoy apofasisqhke na syzhthqoyn sxedia, me toys katoikoys ths perioxhs, me diaforoys foreis kai fysika me ta armodia ypoyrgeia kai ana ypoyrgeio, etsi wste oi leptomereies ths ylopoihshs na ginoyn kalyteres. To ergo pragmatopoieitai, to ergo qa proxwrhsei kai sto plaisio ayto breqhke h kalyterh lysh. En telei, ayto einai ekeino poy qa prepei na doyme. Apo ekei kai pera, ola ta alla einai zhthmata poy den mas aforoyn.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mas lete dhladh oti oi mexri xqes antidrwntes synetisthkan jafnika kai proxwra aproskopta to ergo, xwris mellontikes antidraseis;

PETALWTHS: Den mporoyme na problecoyme tis mellontikes antidraseis. Ekeino to opoio isxyei einai oti h apofash gia to ergo qa proxwrhsei kai ayto einai jekaqaro. Yparxei nomos, yparxei apofash ths kybernhshs kai malista aitiologhmenh. Apo ekei kai pera, breqhke enas tropos, wste na ektonwqei h katastash. Fysika, kapoies leptomereies toy sxedioy mporei na syzhthqoyn, ws pros ton forea diaxeirishs, gia paradeigma. Emeis, ws kyriarxh kybernhsh, ayto exoyme na poyme. Kai mono qetiko, fysika, mporei na einai to gegonos oti ephlqe mia symfwnia sthn perioxh. Symfwnia poy den anairei thn ylopoihsh toy ergoy, alla apokaqista thn tajh, thn eirhnh sthn perioxh, thn asfaleia kai fysika thn oikonomikh eytajia, etsi wste mia perioxh na mhn apokleietai me ton tropo poy apokleiotan, poy den htan kai o kalyteros.

PITTARAS: Pantws, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti, pros ta ejw toylaxiston, h eikona poy bgainei, einai oti ayth h epiplokh poy lete eseis, egine meta apo parembash kapoioy ierwmenoy kai oxi ap` th syntonismenh kai syllogikh prospaqeia, opws eipate, ths kybernhshs. Kai epipleon, an mporeite na epibebaiwsete h na diaceysete kapoies plhrofories oti o k. Papoytshs sto paraskhnio, ayto poy etaje stoys katoikoys einai mia estw kai proswrinh anabolh toy ergoy.

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei qema anabolhs toy ergoy. Ayto einai jekaqaro. O symbibasmos poy ephlqe - an mporoyme na poyme ``symbibasmos''- einai na fygoyn oi katoikoi apo ta mploka kai se deyterh fash na akoloyqhsei h apoxwrhsh ths astynomias. To ergo qa ginei. Den yparxei tipote diaforetiko. Epanalambanw oti leptomereies mporei na syzhthqoyn, etsi wste kai to ergo na ginei, alla na ginei me ena tropo o opoios qa briskei symfwnh kai thn topikh koinwnia. H diamesolabhsh toy Mhtropolith ths perioxhs, den nomizw oti enexei kati kako. Oi Mhtropolites exoyn ena sygkekrimeno poimeniko kai poimantoriko ergo stis perioxes opoy briskontai. Kai ws foreis mias perioxhs exoyn dikaiwma kai ypoxrewsh - qa mporoysa na pw egw - na prospaqoyn na apoklimakwnoyn tetoies esties entashs. H kybernhsh, to kratos einai ayto poy apofasizei gia to ergo. Den exei arqei h apofash ayth. To ergo synexizetai, qa synexistei, alla fysika, otan mporoyme na beltiwsoyme tis synqhkes kai malista otan afora mia oloklhrh topikh koinwnia, einai sigoyro oti ayth h ekbash mono ws qetikh qa mporoyse na kriqei.

PITTARAS: Sygnwmh, o tropos poy xeiristhke to qema o k. Papoytshs, egine ystera apo entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Htan enhmeros; Den sas rwtw tyxaia, rwtaw kyriws gia to skelos ekeino poy exei na kanei kai me toys synadelfoys toy, oi opoioi dhlwnoyn oti den gnwrizan tipota, h k. Mpirmpilh oti den htan sthn armodiothta ths, ap` to ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn h enoxlhsh poy bgainei ktl.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, epanalambanw oti, h kybernhsh dra syllogika. Kai ennoeitai oti einai enhmeros o Prwqypoyrgos. Apo ekei kai pera, o k. Papoytshs xeiristhke to meros toy ergoy, poy ton aforoyse ws pros thn apoxwrhsh twn astynomikwn dynamewn, meta thn apoxwrhsh twn katoikwn apo ta mploka. Ola ta ypoloipa qa syzhthqoyn me toys synarmodioys ypoyrgoys. Epanalambanw oti mono ws qetikh mporei na xarakthristei ayth h ekbash.

MARAQIAS: To M. Sabbato, ean qymamai kala, kleinei enas xronos apo tis dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Kastelorizo kai thn prosfygh mas sto mhxanismo sthrijhs. Hqela na rwthsw, me dedomeno oti einai syzhthsimo to an bgainei h oxi o oikonomikos apologismos ths xwras kai sto plaisio ths efarmozomenhs oikonomikhs politikhs, sto plaisio panta toy mnhmonioy, hqela na rwthsw eidikotera, gia to an bgainei gia thn kybernhsh o politikos apologismos gia thn kybernhsh Papandreoy;

PETALWTHS: O politikos apologismos gia thn kybernhsh mas taytizetai me ton apologismo toy kratoys, th beltiwsh toy kratoys, se ola ta epipeda. Prwta ap` ola, na qymisw oti fqasame poly konta sto xeilos ths xreokopias. Klhronomhsame mia katastash apo th N.D., h opoia htan h tragikoterh poy qa mporoyse na dei kaneis gia th xwra mas. Synepws, o prwtos stoxos ton opoio qesame ws kybernhsh einai na mporesoyme na staqoyme ws xwra, ws kratos. Na jefygoyme apo th xreokopia. Ayto egine. Ayto apo mono toy einai mia poly shmantikh katakthsh. Kai fysika, ayto den htan oyte aytonohto, oyte kai eykolo. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, xreiasthke kai xreiazetai akomh, apaiteitai egrhgorsh, apaiteitai synexhs sxediasmos kai taxisth ylopoihsh toy sxediasmoy aytoy, etsi wste na bgoyme apo thn krish. Sto plaisio ayto, loipon, safws kai einai qetikos o apologismos toy ergoy ths kybernhshs, mesa s` ayto to xroniko diasthma poy diaxeirizetai thn krish. Giati kai mono ta apotelesmata ayths ths diaxeirishs, to oti briskomaste makria pleon apo ton kindyno ths xreokopias, to oti briskomaste pleon se ena shmeio ajiopistias apo to opoio hmastan para poly makria prin apo enamish kai ena xrono akomh, to oti exoyme rolo kai logo sta eyrwpaika pragmata, to oti kataferame emeis na dhmioyrghsoyme, na prokalesoyme th dhmioyrgia enos staqeroy mhxanismoy sthrijhs olwn twn eyrwpaikwn xwrwn poy briskontai h qa breqoyn se paromoia katastash me th xwra mas, ola ayta apodeiknyoyn oti me to ergo mas dhmioyrghsame kai staqerothta kai mia sobarh eikona ths xwras mas sto ejwteriko. Epipleon dhmioyrgoyme oles tis proypoqeseis, etsi wste na ginoyn oi poly megales allages poy xreiazetai h xwra mas, allages poy eprepe na ginoyn akomh kai prin apo dekaeties. Kai ola ayta sygklinoyn sto na yparjoyn oi proypoqeseis, wste na beltiwqei h poiothta kai h kaqhmerinothta toy Ellhna polith. O opoios yfistatai mia dyskolh katastash edw kai enamish xrono, o opoios ypesth mia katastash gia thn opoia h prohgoymenh kybernhsh ths N.D. eyqynetai en pollois, afoy mas ebale aqwrakistoys s` ayth thn krish. Synepws, yparxei elpida, yparxei ejodos apo thn krish kai kyriws yparxei h prooptikh na dhmioyrghsoyme mia xwra poy qa einai apallagmenh apo tis paqogeneies, tis agkylwseis toy parelqontos, h opoia pleon qa kineitai me ena diaforetiko montelo anaptyjhs.

GARGALAKOS: Akoysame apo th N.D. na yposthrizei oti apo ta 125 dis eyrw poy daneisthkan oi kybernhseis Karamanlh, apo to 2004 ews to 2009, ta men 45 aforoysan anaxrhmatodothsh palaioteroy xreoys, enw apo ta ypoloipa 80 ta 73 htan ypoxrewseis poy afhse to PA.SO.K. kai mono ta 7 dis aforoyn th diakybernhsh ths N.D. Kai ola ayta, bebaia, paroti shmera akoysa thn k. Zeta Makrh sthn NET - h opoia shmeiwteon einai anaplhrwtria programmatos ths N.D.- na leei oti eginan laqh sthn oikonomikh politikh ths diakybernhshs Karamanlh.

PETALWTHS: To na yparxei poy kai poy kamia ikmada omologias ths apotyxias ths politikhs ths N.D., ayto einai parhgoro. Ayto, bebaia, qa eprepe na synodeytei kai me prajh. Dystyxws, omws, dystyxws gia th xwra, h N.D. toy k. Samara, fainetai oti den diaferei kaqoloy apo th N.D. toy k. Karamanlh, parolo poy shmera bgainoyn kapoioi kai omologoyn oti yphrxe apotyxia, yphrxe apotyxhmenh politikh sthn kybernhsh Karamanlh. Giati, an h shmerinh N.D. htan diaforetikh, ap` ayth poy zhsame kai mas odhghse se ayto to shmeio anajiopistias kai ths asxhmhs oikonomikhs katastashs, tote den qa mporoysan akomh kai shmera na prospaqoyn sth N.D. me ton pleon epishmo tropo na mas peisoyn - anepityxws bebaiws - oti den ftaiei h N.D., ftaiei to PA.SO.K. kai oti ta oikonomika megeqh epi N.D. htan kala, enw twra den einai kala.

To komma toy ``as' to gia argotera'', toy k. Karamanlh, dystyxws einai kai to shmerino komma toy k. Samara. Otan teleiws ceydestata dinei stoixeia ta opoia den exoyn sxesh me thn pragmatikothta, otan epi polla xronia, mexri kai dyo meres prin tis ekloges toy 2009, h N.D. apekrypte epimelws kai egklhmatikws ta pragmatika stoixeia ths oikonomias, oti kai na mas poyn twra safws kai den einai pisteyto. Kai as sygkrinoyn ta shmerina stoixeia, poy pragmatika einai apodedeigmena kai malista elegmena kai apo thn E.E. mesw ths Eurostat, me ta ceytika kai plasta stoixeia me ta opoia paramyqiazan polites kai etairoys. Apo monh ths ayth h sygkrish einai elliphs, elleimmatikh, ceydhs kai egklhmatikh.

Na tonisw edw kai na apanthsw oti to xreos ektojeythke epi N.D., opws kai to elleimma kata 36 dis eyrw, se mia metaolympiakh Ellada, se mia Ellada ths anaptyjhs, opoy parola ayta, me thn terastia spatalh ths kybernhshs ths N.D. kai me thn anyparjia opoiasdhpote anaptyjiakhs kateyqynshs kataferan na epideinwsoyn ayta ta megeqh. As mh miloyn kalytera.

Kai epeidh akoysame xqes apo th N.D. na anaferontai sth diapragmateytikh deinothta toy k. Papandreoy kai na kanoyn sygkrish me ton k. Samara, as mhn prokaloyn. Gnwrizoyme oloi poly kala pws qa htan h xwra mas, an o shmerinos Prwqypoyrgos, Giwrgos Papandreoy, den dieqete ayto to terastio apoqema mias dieqnoys ajiopistias kai proswpikothtas, opoy katafere na peisei etairoys kai pagkosmia koinh gnwmh oti thn Ellada mporoyn na thn empisteytoyn jana kai kataferame osa kataferame: To mhxanismo, thn yparjh aytoy toy mnhmonioy ws mia daneiakh anasa, th beltiwsh twn orwn toy mnhmonioy. Kai as mh lene oti den diapragmateyomaste. H beltiwsh twn orwn toy mnhmonioy stis Synodoys Koryfhs ths 11hs kai 25hs Martioy, me thn epimhkynsh toy xronoy apoplhrwmhs, me th meiwsh twn epitokiwn, htan apotelesma ths diapragmateytikhs ikanothtas kai ths deinothtas ayths ths kybernhshs kai den hrqe aytonohta. Kai einai pragmatika megalo qrasos na mas miloyn gia ton k. Samara ws diapragmateyth, o opoios epi ena xrono toylaxiston krybotan kai den phgaine sthn E.E. Kai otan apofasise na paei h antimetwpish poy eixe apo toys omologoys toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos, einai gnwsth. Mia antimetwpish, h opoia kaqe allo para ton ajiwne. Mia apajiwtikh antimetwpish. Kai fysika den katafere na toys peisei - otan aytes oi kybernhseis poy kybernoyn shmera thn Eyrwph, anhkoyn sto Eyrwpaiko Laiko Komma - oti qa mporoysan na kanoyn kati parapanw gia th xwra mas. H yparjh kai h paroysia ths N.D. akoma kai sta fora toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos einai antistoixh ths yparjhs kai ths paroysias ths N.D., toso ws kybernhshs oso kai ws antipoliteyshs, shmera sth xwra mas.

Ara, kalo qa kanoyn aytoi oi opoioi - oxi aplws den diapragmateythkan otan eprepe na diapragmateytoyn - lipotakthsan, na skeftontai poly kala, otan kathgoroyn thn kybernhsh gia elleich diapragmateytikhs ikanothtas. As diapragmateyontan, as emenan sthn ejoysia, na mhn thn egkateleipan, na mh lipotaktoysan gia na mporoysan shmera na exoyn apoch kai logo.

SEGKOS: Kanontas ton apologismo toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, eipate prin apo ligo, oti kataferame na jefygoyme apo thn xreokopia. Thn kybernhsh, den thn apasxolei kaqoloy oti o ellhnikos laos hdh brisketai sta oria ths xreokopias afoy to dhmosio exei khryjei stash plhrwmwn pros kaqe eidoys koinwnikh paroxh kai ayth h poreia qa oloklhrwqei kai me to mesoproqesmo dhmosionomiko plaisio poy problepei alla tosa metra, ycoys 26 dis eyrw.

PETALWTHS: Den symmerizomai thn apoch sas gia xreokopia toy Ellhna polith. Gnwrizoyme poly kala kai to leme oti oi polites, pragmati, yfistantai, polles fores, epwdynes apofaseis, tis opoies den eprepe na yfistantai. Omws, emeis kanoyme mia prospaqeia kai ayto to gnwrizei o Ellhnas poliths, na swsoyme th xwra apo th xreokopia. Kanoyme mia prospaqeia na anatajoyme thn oikonomia mas. Kai mesa ap' ayth thn anatajh kai anaptyjh ths oikonomias mas, qa epelqei h beltiwsh kai toy eisodhmatos, alla kai ths kaqhmerinothtas toy Ellhna polith. Den ginotan kai den ginetai na kanoyme kati diaforetiko. To antiqeto malista, eimaste ayth h kybernhsh h opoia ergazetai sklhra, mia kybernhsh poy qetei kai ylopoiei stoxoys. Mia kybernhsh poy qelei na paradwsei th xwra poly kalytera ap' o,ti htan prin thn oikonomikh krish. Ayta ta stoixhmata bazoyme. Ayto to antilambanetai o ellhnikos laos, par' olo oti brisketai se poly dyskolh katastash, omws den qa afhsoyme kai den qa epitrecoyme na xreokophsoyn, oxi mono h xwra mas, alla oyte kai oi Ellhnes polites.

Ws pros tis koinwnikes paroxes, den tis katargoyme, einai jekaqaro. Tis stoxeyoyme akomh perissotero me krithria, etsi wste na kateyqynontai se sympolites mas, oi opoioi, pragmati, exoyn anagkes perissoteres apo kapoioys alloys. Mia isopedwtikh paroxh, ypotiqemenh koinwnikh, pros oloys, anejarthtws eisodhmatos, anejarthtws oikonomikhs katastashs, einai ayth poy eynoei aytoys poy briskontai se kalyterh oikonomikh katastash kai adikei osoys, pragmati, xreiazontai aytes tis koinwnikes paroxes. Gi' ayto, oi stoxeymenes draseis mas einai tetoies wste na ypeiserxetai to krithrio ths koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs.

GIANNISHS: H kybernhsh qewrei eparkeis tis epejhghmatikes anakoinwseis tis opoies ejedwse o k. Pagkalos, sxetika me th synenteyjh poy feretai na edwse se toyrkikh efhmerida;

PETALWTHS: O k. Pagkalos me mia ektenh kai analytikh anakoinwsh Typoy, dhlwnei oti den edwse poyqena synenteyjh, den ekane poyqena dhlwseis. Ayth einai h qesh toy k. Pagkaloy, thn opoia symmerizetai h kybernhsh. Ean yparxei kati allo, as mas to deijoyn.

MARAQIAS: Telika, yparxei Ellhnas ypoyrgos poy milhse se germanikh efhmerida kai taxqhke yper ths anadiarqrwshs;

PETALWTHS: Opws anefera prohgoymenws, mesa sta polla senaria, oxi monon ta epi kaqhmerinhs basews, alla kai ta ana wra emfanizomena, grafontai, akoygontai kai legontai diafora. Kai ayta poy akoyme, kalo qa einai na ta akoyme me onomatepwnymo, na ta akoyme tekmhriwmena, gia na mporoyme na apantame epishs tekmhriwmena. Synenteyjeis apo anwnymo Ellhna ypoyrgo h dhlwseis poy planwntai ston aera h senaria katastrofologika, ta opoia oydemia sxesh exoyn me thn pragmatikothta, emeis ta aporriptoyme. Ayth einai h qesh mas. Oi fhmes peri ``anwnymoy ypoyrgoy'', o opoios feretai na eipe to alfa h to bhta, den mas aforoyn. Ean h efhmerida poy to dhmosieyei exei na mas dwsei perissotera stoixeia, pragmatika na ta dexqoyme kai tote as bgei aytos o ypoyrgos o opoios ypotiqetai oti ta eipe kai na dikaiologhsei thn apoch toy. Oso omws tetoia dhmosieymata paramenoyn anwnyma, tote gia mas den exoyn kamia ma kamia isxy. Malista, to antiqeto ejyphretoyn. Ejyphretoyn ta senaria ths katastrofologias. Kai se kati tetoio, eimaste akrws apenanti.

Sas eyxaristw.

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