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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 2 Maioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 330049728

Ekdosh 1

BRIEFING KYBERNHTIKOY EKPROSWPOY G. PETALWTH(020511)

Aqhna, 2 Maioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Paralabame th xwra se katastash dialyshs, me mhdenikh dieqnh ajiopistia kai paroysia, sta proqyra mias eperxomenhs xreokopias me oleqries synepeies kai abebaio mellon gia toys polites, gia toys misqoys kai tis syntajeis. Oxi gia perikoph toys, opws akoygetai olo ayto to diasthma, alla gia ton kindyno ths oristikhs payshs toys, gia agnwsto xroniko diasthma.

Kai ayto den apotelei oyte ekfobismo, oyte ypekfygh. Apotelei mia pragmatikothta. Ayto, omws, den mporei na apotelei epilogh gia thn kybernhsh mias xwras poy sebetai toys polites ths.

Epidoqhkame se plhrh maraqwnio, legontas thn plhrh alhqeia pros kaqe kateyqynsh, poy apedwse th dhmioyrgia mhxanismoy sthrijhs me to prwtofanes daneio twn 110 dis eyrw. Phrame mia megalh daneiakh anasa.

Na shmeiwsw oti h ajia toy egxeirhmatos ths dhmioyrgias toy mhxanismoy einai akomh megalyterh shmera, opoy symmetexoyn kai alles xwres poy antimetwpizoyn problhmata daneiodothshs apo tis agores.

Klhqhkame na allajoyme th xwra mas kai ayto kanoyme. Na sxediasoyme kai na ylopoihsoyme allages. Oxi epeidh tis epiballei kapoio mnhmonio aorista kai afhrhmena, alla epeidh tis epiballei h pragmatikothta, oi sygxrones anagkes kai h metabash se ena leitoyrgiko kratos poy ejyphretei toys polites. Ayto prattoyme, kaqhmerina, me synepeia mesa apo dyskoles synqhkes.

Kapoies apo tis domikes allages poy eginan se elaxisto xroniko diasthma kai oi opoies, dystyxws, den akoygontai opws qa eprepe, einai:

-H metarryqmish toy asfalistikoy systhmatos poy to kaqista pleon biwsimo, to opoio eswse ta tameia kai poy qa apodwsei syntajh kai sta paidia mas.

-H kaqierwsh ths diafaneias sto dhmosio bio me th Diaygeia, me th logodosia olwn twn dhmosiwn forewn.

-Oi drastikes meiwseis ths spatalhs toy dhmosioy.

-O apolytos sebasmos, h qespish enos dikaioteroy forologikoy systhmatos poy epikairopoieitai synexws.

-H dioikhtikh metarryqmish toy ``Kallikrath''.

-To anoigma twn kleistwn epaggelmatwn poy ejeidikeyetai kai efarmozetai.

-H hlektronikh syntagografhsh kai h mhxanografhsh twn nosokomeiwn.

-Oi meiwseis stis times twn farmakwn.

-O neos sygxronos ependytikos nomos.

-H prwtofanhs meiwsh toy elleimmatos kata 5 oloklhres posostiaies monades kaqws kai alla polla.

Bebaia, kaneis den mporei na paragnwrisei to gegonos oti oi polites sto synolo toys kai ena meros mallon twn politwn klhqhkan na ypostoyn qysies poy den eprepe. Einai, omws, shmantiko oti aytes oi qysies den petioyntai, den xaramizontai, opws egine syxna sto parelqon, alla ajiopoioyntai kai ependyontai sto mellon ths xwras mas.

Oloi mazi, bhma pros bhma, xtizoyme ayto poy epiqymoyme. Dynameis ths synthrhshs, dynameis poy den epiqymoyn thn paramikrh allagh se opoiodhpote tomea, syntexnies, agkylwmenes nootropies, paqogeneies, katastrafologoi kai khrykes mias diarkoys mizerias kai apajiwshs, briskontai monimws apenanti sth megalh ayth prospaqeia poy kanei h kybernhsh na allajei th xwra. Briskontai, omws, apenanti kai se mia koinwnia proodoy. Mia koinwnia dhmioyrgikh poy dica gia thn apeleyqerwsh twn ygiwn dynamewn ths.

Ayto einai to eqniko mas xreos apenanti se oloys toys polites poy fernoyme kai pali sto proskhnio. Logikes kai nootropies toy ``asto gia argotera'', opws ths kybernhshs Karamanlh, den yparxoyn sth dikh mas logikh. Ayto einai jekaqaro.

Edw kai twra antimetwpizoyme ola ta problhmata. Edw kai twra sxediazoyme kai ylopoioyme tis lyseis.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MOSXOBAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh diabasame sxetika dhmosieymata, qelw na mas epibebaiwsete h na mas diaceysete to gegonos oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei synomilhsei me dieqneis hgetes, opws h k. Merkel kai o k. Ompama kai exei symfwnhsei gia to endexomeno anadiarqrwshs.

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei taktikes epafes me oloys toys hgetes. Den synomilei me kapoioys idiaitera gia na kleisei to qema ths anadiarqrwshs. Sto qema ths anadiarqrwshs exoyme topoqethqei. Epanalambanoyme gia allh mia fora, oti ayto poy mas endiaferei , einai na kanoyme tis megales allages poy xreiazetai o topos. Giati gnwrizoyme oti mono me tis megales allages mporei na exoyme kai jeperasma ths krishs, alla kai mia diaforetikh Ellada. Sygxronws, aytes tis hmeres oloklhrwnoyme to mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio. Ton ``odiko xarth'' me ton opoio qa kinhqoyme mexri to 2015 gia na jeperasoyme thn krish, alla kai na feroyme thn Ellada se tetoia katastash poy den qa janaerqei sthn katastash poy briskomastan kai briskomaste. Ola ta alla einai senaria. Oi epafes, omws, poy exei ayth h kybernhsh, aytos o Prwqypoyrgos, den einai kryfes, oyte mystikes, etsi opws fainetai na kykloforei. Einai epafes poy exoyn bohqhsei sthn epilysh megalwn problhmatwn. Omws, mexri ekei. Den syzhtame gia anadiarqrwsh. Oi epafes me oloys toys hgetes einai taktikes kai exoyn na kanoyn kai me thn ejelijh toy eyrwpaikoy systhmatos kai thn antimetwpish ths pagkosmias krishs.

MOSXOBAS: Afoy den einai kryfes na mas peite poies epafes eixe aytes tis meres;

PETALWTHS: Anakoinwnoyme pantote tis epafes, opoy xreiazetai kai otan xreiazetai. Den menei tipote kryfo.

MOSXOBAS: Epibebaiwnete oti thlefwnhqhke me ton k. Ompama kai thn k. Merkel toylaxiston;

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa oti oi epafes poy kanei o Prwqypoyrgos einai taktikotates.

SIDERHS: Mas eipate enan katalogo metrwn poy phrate...

PETALWTHS: Kai apofasewn.

SIDERHS: Apofasewn. Poio ap` ayta, peste mas tria toylaxiston, poy na exoyn ylopoihqei sthn oysia toys, oxi apla na exoyn qesmoqethqei.

PETALWTHS: Safws kai eimaste perhfanoi, giati mesa se 18 mhnes, se prwtofaneis synqhkes krishs, kaname tosa pragmata poy den ta ekanan kybernhseis se dekaeties, opws o ``Kallikraths'', poy einai mia metarryqmish h opoia apofasisqhke kai efarmosqhke. Ta epimeroys zhthmata ta antimetwpizoyme. H Diaygeia to idio. Oi allages sto forologiko systhma apofasisthkan kai ylopoioyntai. Hdh, exei perasei kai nomosxedio gia thn allagh twn foroeispraktikwn mhxanismwn. Oi ekpaideytikes allages, oxi aplws sxediasthkan, alla ylopoioyntai kai efarmozontai.

Apo osa sas diabasa, qa hqela na moy peite eseis ena to opoio den efarmozetai. To anoigma twn kleistwn epaggelmatwn poy den egine epi dekaeties kai sxediasthke kai ylopoieitai, me diaforetikh proseggish gia to kaqe epaggelma. Fysika, yparxoyn epimeroys paragontes kai parametroi, tis opoies antimetwpizoyme. Ola ayta den einai logia. Einai apofaseis, einai prajeis poy allazoyn thn Ellada. Kai gi` ayto, bebaiws, eimaste perhfanoi.

SIDERHS: Na sas pw oti me ton ``Kallikrath'' o prwhn proedros ths Boylhs k. Kaklamanhs eipe oti kai alloi boyleytes kata th synedriash ths K.O. eipan oti exei dialysei h dhmosia dioikhsh. Oson gia ta epaggelmata mas kalei h E.E. giati den einai apeleyqerwmena telika ta epaggelmata...

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa prokatabolika s` ayto.

SIDERHS: Epeidh kanoyme askhseis etoimothtas.

PETALWTHS: Den einai kaqoloy askhseis etoimothtas kai opoios qelei na dei pragmatika, blepei oti ta balame me tis syntexnies twn kleistwn epaggelmatikwn omadwn, poy akomh kai shmera mas dhmioyrgoyn problhma. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Oytws h allws, to anoigma twn epaggelmatwn einai boylhsh kai apofash ths kybernhshs -ayta ta epaggelmata poy eipame oti qa anoijoyn me ton tropo poy anoigoyn, giati einai diaforetika epaggelmata- poy qa ylopoihqei kai hdh ylopoieitai. Oson afora ston ``Kallikrath'' einai diaforetiko, an symfwnei kapoios h diafwnei. Ayto einai problhma toy kaqenos. Htan programmatikh mas desmeysh. Pistecame ston ``Kallikrath''. Ton sxediasame kai ton ylopoihsame se syntomotato xroniko diasthma. Htan mia megalh metarryqmish poy xreiazotan h xwra mas, giati mono h xwra mas den eixe airetes perifereies. Opoia epimeroys zhthmata dhmioyrgoyntai, ta antimetwpizoyme se para poly dyskoles kai reystes synqhkes. Opoioi exoyn antirrhseis einai dikaiwma toys na tis exoyn. Alla kaneis den mporei na mas pei oti den pragmatopoioyme allages. Opoiadhpote protash boyleyth yparxei apo opoiondhpote politiko h koinwniko forea gia th beltiwsh aytwn twn allagwn, einai eyprosdekth. Emeis, oytws h allws, hmastan aytoi poy qespisame th dhmosia diaboyleysh, gia thn opoia isa-isa loidorhqhkame kata koron.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, einai pagia qesh ths kybernhshs ap` o,ti exw katalabei na kleinei to qema ths anadiarqrwshs. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw den endiaferetai h kybernhsh gia mia peraiterw epimhkynsh sthn apoplhrwmh twn daneiwn kai mia pio gennaia meiwsh twn epitokiwn; Den qa qesete ayta ta zhthmata en ocei kai ths Synodoy Koryfhs ton Ioynio;

PETALWTHS: Gia na gnwrizoyme kai se ti anaferomaste, einai teleiws diaforetiko na milame genikws gia mia anadiarqrwsh, h opoia mporei na symbei me para polloys tropoys kai den mas afora kai teleiws diaforetiko na milame gia beltiwsh ths apoplhrwmhs twn orwn toy daneioy twn 110 dis eyrw. Omws, as mhn jexname oti ayto, emeis hdh to exoyme kanei. Kai ayto einai mia apanthsh sth N.D. h opoia jafnika qymhqhke oti prepei na epanadiapragmateytoyme toys oroys toy mnhmonioy. Profanws, den parakoloyqei ti ginetai oyte sthn Ellada, oyte sthn Eyrwph. Sth Synodo ths 25hs Martioy typika oloklhrwqhke h proektash kai h epimhkynsh toy xronoy apoplhrwmhs aytoy toy daneioy twn 110 dis eyrw kata efta oloklhra xronia kai meiwqhke to epitokio. H N.D. h opoiosdhpote allos, ean se ayta, den blepei beltiwtikes protaseis kai diapragmateytikes apofaseis - oxi na proteinoyme, alla emeis hdh petyxame apofash gia beltiwsh twn orwn toy mnhmonioy- tote den parakoloyqei thn pragmatikothta. Giati den mporoyme na milame genikws kai aoristws opws kanei h N.D. Emeis milame sygkekrimena. Kai na exoyme ypoch mas oti ayta den mas xaristhkan. Gia na fqasoyme se shmeio, prin ena xrono, na ypogracoyme mia daneiakh symbash, to mnhmonio kai se ligotero apo ena xrono na petyxoyme beltiwsh twn orwn toy mnhmonioy, einai shmantiko kai einai apotelesma ths ajiopistias poy apokthsame me tis tolmhres kai metarryqmistikes apofaseis poy lambanoyme sthn Eyrwph. Tipota den mas xarizetai kai oyte fysika doyleyoyme se keno aeros.

PITTARAS: Ayto to xrono, exete skefqei h exete metaniwsei gia ton tropo poy xeiristhkate orismena qemata; Pisteyete oti exoyn ginei kai laqh; Kapoia qemata ta xeirizosaste me diaforetiko tropo; Gia paradeigma, ayto poy exei meinei istorika katagegrammeno oti h prwth sas apofash htan na kocete misqoys kai syntajeis, qa to janakanate m` ayth th xronikh seira;

PETALWTHS: Genikws, ayto poy exw na sas pw einai oti kataferame na exoyme mia daneiakh symbash poy einai to mnhmonio sto opoio mas odhghse h symperifora kai h politikh ths N.D. Emas, to mnhmonio kai ayth h symbash daneioy twn 110 dis eyrw, den htan oyte programmatikh mas desmeysh, oyte fysika htan epiqymia mas. Ayto poy eixame na antimetwpisoyme htan na stamathsoyme th xwra apo to na pesei ston gkremo. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Kai ayth einai h ycisth kai h basikh epilogh mias kybernhshs, h opoia sebetai toys polites ths. Mias kybernhshs, h opoia pragmatika qelei na yparxei h xwra gia na mporei na thn allajei kalytera. Mesa se ekeines tis poly dyskoles synqhkes kataferame kai diapragmateythkame, me toys kalyteroys oroys, ayth th daneiakh mas symbash. Emeis, omws, den meiname ekei. Kaname sygkekrimenes epiloges, oi opoies safws den htan h politikh mas epilogh, alla htan jekaqaro oti eprepe na exoyme amesa apotelesmata. Den qa mporoysame na perimenoyme aorista mia anaptyjh gia na mhn kanoyme perikopes se misqoys kai syntajeis. Eprepe na yparjoyn ameses apofaseis, amesa metra. Ayto eprepe na ginei tote. Argotera, labame alles apofaseis, oi opoies proxwroyn kai thn anaptyjh. Kai fysika einai sth boylhsh mas kai se prwth proteraiothta h epanorqwsh twn eisodhmatwn toy Ellhna polith, efoson mporesoyme kai staqeropoihsoyme thn oikonomia mas, efoson kataferoyme na proxwrhsoyme thn anaptyjh kai na thn kanoyme pio biwsimh. Kai ayto fainetai pws mporoyme na to kanoyme. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Alla, se poly dyskoles synqhkes kai sto megisto shmeio ths anajiopistias poy eixame perielqei ws xwra, oi diapragmateyseis poy kaname kai oi oroi poy qesame sto mnhmonio htan oi kalyteres kai oi kalyteroi poy qa mporoysame na petyxoyme. Oso mporoyme na beltiwnoyme aytoys toys oroys, to kanoyme kai to apodeijame me ayto poy kaname to Martio.

SPANOY: H GENOP-DEH diafhmizei me optikoakoystiko yliko th sthrijh poy eixe apo to PA.SO.K. kai apo koryfaia stelexh, opws o k. Papakwnstantinoy, otan hsastan sthn antipoliteysh. Anarwtiemai, an ayto to parelqon sas, o enagkalismos me th GENOP desmeyei kai to kybernhtiko paron sas.

PETALWTHS: Emeis den desmeyomaste apo tipota. H monh desmeysh mas einai to dhmosio symferon. H monh desmeysh mas einai na swsoyme th xwra kai ayto kanoyme. Na orqologikopoihsoyme, oso mporoyme, thn anaptyjh kai thn paragwgh. Ekei rolo kai logo exoyn oi pantes, fysika kai oi syndikalistikoi foreis. Alla, otan exoyme na laboyme apofaseis poy exoyn na kanoyn me to mellon ths xwras mas kai me proaspish toy dhmosioy symferontos, tote den mporoyme na gyrizoyme pisw. Apo ekei kai pera, eimaste anoiktoi stis syzhthseis kai se opoiadhpote protash, h opoia mporei na beltiwnei tis apofaseis poy exoyme na laboyme. Ayto einai jekaqaro kai etsi poreyomaste. Den exoyme antipalo mas kamia syndikalistikh organwsh. Den exoyme antipalo mas kanenan, para monon o,ti stamata kai antistrateyetai to dhmosio symferon. Kai aytoi oi opoioi to kanoyn einai polloi. Den anaferomai sth GENOP-DEH poy einai enas syndikalistikos foreas kai proaspizei ta dikaiwmata twn ergazomenwn. Exoyme tis antirrhseis mas. Exoyn tis antirrhseis toys. Apo ekei kai pera, h kybernhsh me kyriarxh boylhsh sxediazei kai ylopoiei kai gia th DEH kai gia oloys toys foreis to mellon toys. Qa proaspisoyme to dhmosio symferon. To dhmosio symferon exei na kanei kai me th DEH. Kai emeis ekei qetoyme tis grammes mas kai ayto einai dedomeno.

MARAQIAS: Gia to idio qema: Omws, enas boyleyths sas apo thn Kozanh, o k. Aqanasiadhs, eipe dhmosia, to exei pei epaneilhmmena thn teleytaia ebdomada, oti qa katachfisei to endexomeno metoxopoihshs h idiwtikopoihshs ths DEH. Fainetai oti yparxoyn rhgmata sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada. Qa yparjei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias, oson afora thn chfish twn apokratikopoihsewn h toy mesoproqesmoy sxedioy;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, to mesoproqesmo sxedio den exei paroysiasqei. To megalo zhthma twn apokratikopoihsewn, poy einai poly shmantiko zhthma gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia kai poy ginetai mesa se tetoies synqhkes kai par' ola ayta, prospaqoyme na to kanoyme oso pio wfelimo ginetai gia to dhmosio symferon, den exei akomh anakoinwqei. 'Ara, oi apoceis kai oi protaseis poy ginontai kai apo toys boyleytes mas, einai apoceis kai protaseis poy den einai epi telikoy keimenoy kai epi telikhs apofashs. Gnwrizoyme oti o k. Aqanasiadhs exei mia pio idiaiterh eyaisqhsia gia to qema ths DEH, giati eklegetai, zei se mia perifereia poy exei poly megalh diasyndesh me th DEH, alla kai emas, h agwnia mas einai na prostateysoyme to dhmosio symferon. Eimaste sigoyroi oti otan qa elqei to teliko sxedio kai otan qa klhqoyn oi boyleytes mas na poyn tis apoceis toys kai na apofasisoyn, oti qa exoyme peisei toys pantes pws prokeitai gia thn proaspish toy dhmosioy symferontos kai sth DEH.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh milhsate gia ena programma to opoio akomh den einai teliko, den exoyme dei to teliko keimeno, mporeite na mas peite ean einai hdh eilhmmenh h apofash gia epipleon metoxopoihsh ths DEH h einai kai ayto ypo airesh, giati blepoyme kai ypoyrgoys na diafwnoyn ep' aytoy.

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw oti to keimeno kai oi apofaseis poy qa paroyme den einai telikes se tetoio baqmo, poy na mporoyn na anakoinwqoyn. Qa akoloyqhqei kai s' ayto to shmeio, to opoio einai poly shmantiko, dhladh sthn apokratikopoihsh ths DEH, opws kai se alles apokratikopoihseis, h qesmoqethmenh diadikasia mesw toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, mesw toy Koinoboyleytikoy Tomea Ergasias toy PASOK, mesw twn Epitropwn kai mesw ths Olomeleias. Ayth h diaboyleysh qa ginei kai den yparxei periptwsh na meinei kapoios poy den qa exei pei tis apoceis toy, den qa exei ekfrasei tis protaseis toy, opote yparxei kai xronos kai tropos na ekfrastoyn oi pantes.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mia poy kleisame enan xrono me mnhmonio, mhpws h kybernhsh exei metaniwsei poy apokalyce olh ayth thn endeia ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai thn katastash me to elleimma toy 15,toso tois ekato; Giati blepoyme oti mesa sth N.D. hdh diejagetai mia syzhthsh kai malista kritikh gia thn apografh poy ekane o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Einai kati antistoixo.

PETALWTHS: Einai alhqeia oti sth N.D. apofasisan, opws lene, na teleiwsoyn me toys galazioys ``skeletoys''. Mono poy den apofasisan ti qa kanoyn me to paron kai to mellon ths xwras. Parakoloyqoyme olo ayto to sirial twn stelexwn ths N.D. kata allwn stelexwn ths kai kata toy prwhn prwqypoyrgoy, tis apanwtes diaceyseis ana misawro me thn eykairia toy qematos ths egklhmatikhs apografhs toy 2004, pragma poy deixnei oti sth N.D. oxi mono den exoyn apoch gia to parelqon toys, alla kai otan shmera lene ``arketa aytomastigwqhkame, as teleiwsoyme'', ola ayta einai logia. Einai olofanero oti ginetai mia diadikasia jekaqarismatos mesa stoys kolpoys ths N.D., poy afora anwtera stelexh, poy afora kai ton idio ton prwhn prwqypoyrgo. Kai fysika, to pio jekaqaro gia th xwra -giati ola ayta einai dikaiwma toys kai einai qemita, isws, kat' aytoys, na ginontai mesa se ena komma- ayto poy kat' ejoxhn endiaferei shmera ton ellhniko lao einai oti h N.D. den exei akomh apokthsei apoch gia to poia prepei na einai h prooptikh ayths ths xwras.

Qa prepei h N.D., ws komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, na asxolhqei me to paron kai to mellon ths xwras. Dystyxws, th N.D. kai ton k. Samara toys endiaferei mono to jekaqarisma twn eswkommatikwn toys logariasmwn. Ayto to qema, emas, den mas afora. Deixnoyn, omws, th gymnia ths politikhs toys protashs kai to pws antimetwpizoyn ta stelexh toys, pws antimetwpizontai ta stelexh metajy toys kai en telei poso megalh kai terastia endeia exoyn gia na arqrwsoyn mia protash poy na afora to paron. Kai to ean dexontai thn apografh ws eyergetikh h ws egklhmatikh, allazontas ana diasthmata mias wras apoceis, einai diko toys qema. Alla einai toylaxiston aparadekto gia ena komma ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs na mhn mporei na arqrwsei mia sygxronh politikh protash. Kai ekei pragmatika einai ayto to opoio deixnei oti h N.D. exei ayth th diafora me to PASOK: oti otan emeis milame gia to mellon ths xwras, aytoi endiaferontai monon gia to mellon ths paratajhs toys kai malista oxi oloklhrhs, kaqws kai gia to proswpiko toys mellon.

SIDERHS: Enamish xronos den einai polys kairos gia na antifaskete sto mellon ths DEH kai na mhn exete mia epejergasmenh politikh; Qelw na pw, h kyria Mpirmpilh esteile epistolh sthn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph gia na mhn poylhqoyn oi lignites ths xwras. Apo ton Septembrh qymamai toylaxiston 10 etaireies poy exoyn ypobalei ypochfiothta gia na apokthsoyn dikaiwmata sto megalytero lignitiko koitasma, nomizw, ths tyrfhs. Pws dexomaste tis protaseis megalwn etaireiwn kai twra eji mhnes meta zhtame apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph na mhn poylhsoyme; Einai synephs stash pros ependytes ayth;

PETALWTHS: Kyrie Siderh, edw exoyme na kanoyme me to dhmosio symferon. To ean kapoies ependytikes etaireies proteinan sygkekrimenes prosfores gia toys lignites, ayto qa exei na kanei mono otan apofasisoyme ti qa prajoyme. Fysika gia th DEH, safws den einai polys o xronos. Dioti gia th DEH syzhtame 10eties oloklhres kai logw sygkekrimenwn zhthmatwn den mporoysame, ws ellhniko kratos, na apofasisoyme ti DEH qeloyme. Emeis erxomaste shmera kai leme pws me monadiko gnwmona kai krithrio to dhmosio symferon, qa antimetwpisoyme kai to qema ths DEH. To poses kai poies etaireies kai gia poia koitasmata exoyn ypobalei prosfores, einai ena allo zhthma. Omws, emeis - h paroysa kybernhsh- qetoyme to dhmosio symferon yperanw twn protasewn kai twn prosforwn opoiasdhpote etaireias. Ayto einai pleon dedomeno.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh prokeitai gia ena qema poy eixe anoijei kai pali ton perasmeno Noembrh kai twra epanhlqe sthn epikairothta me dysaresto tropo, mhpws yparxei kapoia protash apo thn kybernhsh gia to pws qa antimetwpisqei telika h bia sta ghpeda h h lysh qa htan na feroyme jenoys diaithtes, opws leei...

PETALWTHS: Safws kai einai ena poly dysaresto fainomeno. 'Ena fainomeno poy sernetai edw kai polla xronia, idiaitera stoys kolpoys toy ellhnikoy podosfairoy, me o,ti synepagetai ayth h anafora moy. Ayto poy exei na kanei h Politeia, einai na dei me ton sobarotero tropo to zhthma kai na to antimetwpisei oristika. Me kapoioys tropoys, oi opoioi einai epifaneiakoi kai oi opoioi aplws prospaqoyn na qerapeysoyn tis synepeies enos fainomenoy kaqe fora poy ayto paroysiazetai, den mporei na yparjei oristikh lysh. 'Hdh o ypoyrgos Politismoy k. Geroylanos exei probei se dhlwseis epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos. Pragmatopoihqhke, epishs, syskech toy k. Nikhtiadh me ton k. Pilabio kai eginan sxetikes dhlwseis. Ayto poy emeis exoyme na poyme einai pws opoiadhpote lysh proaxqei kai epilegei epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos, qa akoympa kai qa aggizei synolika kai se monimh bash to megalo ayto problhma ths bias sta ghpeda. Kai ayto einai para poly shmantiko.

PITTARAS: Qa hqela na sas ypenqymisw oti th sygkekrimenh syzhthsh thn kaname kai prin apo dyo mhnes me analoga peristatika. Ta idia fainomena zhsame kai tote. Kai pali tote h koybenta htan ti kanei h Politeia; Kai pali mas legate oti qa kanete syzhthseis, qa pesoyn protaseis sto trapezi, qa syzhthsoyn oloi oi emplekomenoi foreis. Kaqe fora to idio pragma. Twra, ti diaforetiko perimenoyme apo thn kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa oti exoyn hdh ginei anakoinwseis kai apo ton k. Geroylano kai twra apo ton k. Nikhtiadh. Epanalambanw oti prwta ap' ola, sto zhthma toy ellhnikoy podosfairoy, den einai mono qema ths ellhnikhs Politeias. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti yparxei mia domh sygkekrimenh, poy exei na kanei me ton xwro toy aqlhtismoy, me tis Omospondies, yparxei mia aytonomia thn opoia th gnwrizoyme. To kratos, apo thn pleyra toy, ayto poy einai na kanei kai qa apofasisqei - gi' ayto akribws ginontai aytes oi syskeceis- malista o k. Geroylanos, ws armodios ypoyrgos, exei dwsei kai to stigma, oti dhladh opoiadhpote lysh epilejoyme qa prospaqhsoyme na exei monima kai oristika apotelesmata.

PITTARAS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw pantws pws h Politeia exei amesh emplokh kai den yparxei ayth h aytonomia poy lete eseis, einai mia fainomenikh h mallon eikonikh aytonomia. Giati ta xrhmata ta dinei h Politeia mesw toy OPAP. Ayth th stigmh xrhmatodotei h Politeia ena prwtaqlhma to opoio nomizw dysfhmei th xwra, para th diafhmizei sto ejwteriko, opote den mporw na katalabw giati xreiazetai pollh syzhthsh gia na apofasisete na kocete kat' arxhn thn phgh kai tis xorhgies;

PETALWTHS: Ayth einai mia parametros. Mporei, omws, na epilegoyn kai alles lyseis. Sto na epilegei mia lysh tetoia san ki ayth poy anaferate, profanws einai h eykolh lysh. Sto na prospaqhsoyme omws na exoyme ena podosfairo to opoio qa einai ygies kai poy pragmati qa katastei ena aqlhma sto opoio qa phgainei o kosmos gia na cyxagwgeitai kai gia na ekpaideyetai akomh, einai ena poly megalytero zhthma apo to na stamathsoyn oi phges xrhmatodothshs. Ef' oson epilegei mia tetoia lysh qa ginei kai ayto. Einai omws sygkekrimena ta bhmata poy kanoyme. Pros plhresterh enhmerwsh sas, sas parapempw stis pragmatopoihqeises syskeceis kai tis dhlwseis poy eginan meta apo aytes kai oi opoies dinoyn to kybernhtiko stigma. Ta pragmata den einai kaqe fora toso apla h toso aploysteytika oso ta blepoyme.

MOSXOBAS: Eixa th xara na parakoloyqhsw prin apo xronia th metallajh twn 'Agglwn xoyligkans se arnakia toy Qeoy. Den yparxoyn prostateytika kigklidwmata, den jerw an exete paei pote se ghpedo podosfairoy sthn Agglia. Einai entelws diaforetikh h eikona se sxesh me ayth poy eixame dei thn periodo toy Xeizel. Qelw, loipon, na rwthsw giati h kybernhsh den yioqetei ayta ta sklhra metra poy eixe yioqethsei h tote kybernhsh ths Bretanias kai ta opoia perilambanoyn apo kameres mexri dia pantos apobolh gia thn paramikrh proklhsh epeisodioy entos kai ektos agwnistikoy xwroy.

PETALWTHS: Qa metaferw thn protash sas stoys armodioys ypoyrgoys!

MIXAHL: Lete oti efarmozete pantoy toys nomoys kai oti prepei na efarmostoyn oi nomoi sth xwra. Symfwna, loipon, me toys aqlhtikoys nomoys poy eseis kai oi prohgoymenes kybernhseis exete chfisei kai isxyoyn sth xwra, yparxoyn sobares antirrhseis akomh kai apo stelexh kai boyleytes toy PASOK gia thn efarmogh toys, sxetika me to poies omades qa mporoyn na exoyn h oxi ta prosonta na mporoyn na synexisoyn h oxi sta diafora prwtaqlhmata. Aytes tis antidraseis, eseis, pws qa tis antimetwpisete;

PETALWTHS: To na sas apanthsw apo to bhma toy briefing twn politikwn syntaktwn pws qa antimetwpisqoyn sygkekrimena kai eidikotera zhthmata, nomizw oti jeperna to eyros ths enhmerwshs poy ginetai s' aythn edw thn aiqoysa.

MIXAHL: To basiko erwthma gia mia kybernhsh, oi antidraseis boyleytwn gia topikes omades eite gia eyryteres, na dieykolynqoyn h na mhn efarmostoyn oi nomoi opws prepei na efarmostoyn, giati yparxei politiko kostos stoys idioys kai sto komma. Apla pragmata.

PETALWTHS: Emeis pantws exoyme apodeijei oti eimaste kybernhsh poy den logariazei to politiko kostos. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Kai egw exw topikh omada sthn perioxh moy, alla den qa ekana kamia paranomia, prokeimenoy na thn enisxysw. 'Opoioi boyleytes exoyn tetoies apoceis, einai dikaiwma toys. Ayto poy egw gnwrizw einai oti oi boyleytes toy PASOK, se genikes grammes, antimetwpizoyn pleon thn politikh se poly diaforetikes synqhkes, me poly megalh sobarothta kai me mia eyrythta poy jeperna tis topikes podosfairikes omades h ta topika prwtaqlhmata h se otidhpote allo anaferesqe.

MOSXOBAS: Qelw na kanw treis erwthseis: H prwth einai ,giati jorkizete thn anadiarqrwsh, ennow oson afora to synoliko xreos ths xwras . Prin apo ligo paradexqhkate oti h ryqmish poy egine sthn prohgoymenh Synodo Koryfhs ths 25hs Martioy gia to xreos twn 110 dis synistoyse sthn oysia mia anadiarqrwsh. Mia kalyterh...

PETALWTHS: Den anefera ayto. Milhsa gia beltiwsh twn orwn toy mnhmonioy.

MOSXOBAS: Otan syzhtame gia anadiarqrwsh, ayto einai ena apo ta senaria. Dhladh beltiwsh twn orwn, epimhkynsh toy xronoy apoplhrwmhs toy synolikoy xreoys ths xwras.

PETALWTHS: Me megales epiptwseis omws...

MOSXOBAS: ..ennow xwris haircut. Den to ejetazete ayto ws endexomeno; Giati to jorkizete;

PETALWTHS: Den mpainw sth syzhthsh poy afora thn kaqe morfh anadiarqrwshs. Emeis ayto poy leme einai oti den syzhtame thn anadiarqrwsh. Den pisteyoyme oti h anadiarqrwsh mporei na lysei to problhma ths xwras. Ean ginotan anadiarqrwsh, ayto qa eixe blaptika apotelesmata. Ayto poy lew einai jekaqaro: Ylopoioyme to sxedio kai tis politikes mas giati pisteyoyme oti etsi bgainoyme apo thn krish, giati pisteyoyme oti etsi dhmioyrgoyme prooptikh gia th xwra, xwris synepeies poy qa htan arnhtikes apo mia anadiarqrwsh. Kai prospaqwntas na antimetwpisoyme kai oles aytes tis prospaqeies olwn osoi ependysan sthn xreokopia ths xwras mas me ta legomena CDS. Ayto den mporoyme na to jexname kai ayto to anaferw, giati akoyw kaqe mera oti h tade h h deina megalh eyrwpaikh efhmerida eixe shmera ayto to arqro h o tade analyths h episthmonas eixe ayth thn apoch. As mhn jexname oti kapoioi stoixhmatisan gia thn xreokopia ths Ellados kai malista me para polla xrhmata, tosa poy den mporoyme na fantastoyme. Ara, yparxei sygkekrimenh omada anqrwpwn poy pisteyoyn kai epidiwkoyn oti prepei na ginei anadiarqrwsh kai fysika to pisteyoyn gia thn tseph toys kai oxi gia th xwra mas. Synepws, exoyme na antimetwpisoyme polla kai diafora zhthmata kai prepei na ta antimetwpizoyme kai apo ekei apo opoy proteinontai. Emeis pisteyoyme oti ean kanoyme swsta th doyleia mas - kai ayto prospaqoyme na kanoyme- na thn kanoyme kalytera kai grhgorotera mesa se dyskoles synqhkes, tote pragmatika den xreiazetai na syzhtame gia otidhpote allo.

MOSXOBAS: Na sas qymisw kai to lew rhtorika, oti tetoia apoch eixe ekfrasei kai o prwhn Prwqypoyrgos o k. Shmiths kai arketoi boyleytes toy kommatos sas.

PETALWTHS: Kaqenas ekfrazei tis apoceis toy. Yparxei kybernhsh h opoia gnwrizei kai anagnwrizei ola ta dedomena kai einai kyriarxh kai apofasistikh.

MOSXOBAS: Ennow toys entassete sth xoreia oswn kerdoskopoyn h estw aqela toys ...

PETALWTHS: Exw epanalabei polles fores oti yparxoyn kaloproairetoi kai kakoproairetoi poy kanoyn tis protaseis toys.

MOSXOBAS: Exw kai mia allh erwthsh poy afora to qema ths Kerateas. Diabasame oti h k. Mpirmpilh emfanisthke qetikh sto endexomeno allaghs xwroqethshs toy ergoy ths dhmioyrgias toy XYTY. Na paei dhladh apo to Obriokastro poy exei jekinhsei hdh to ergo sto biomhxaniko parko sthn BIOPA . Opws diabasame ayto synista kai mia poly megalh kaqysterhsh kai endexomenws kai swreia enstasewn k.l.p. poy qa paei para poly pisw to ergo xronika. Ti mhnyma dinei h kybernhsh se opoiadhpote koinwnikh omada poy antidra gia th xwroqethsh, gia paradeigma, toy XYTY Fylhs h otidhpote allo; Ti mhnyma dinei otan meta apo toso makry diasthma antidrasewn kai antiparaqesewn telika fainetai oti dexeste ola ta aithmata twn katoikwn ths perioxhs, estw kai an ayta symballoyn sthn kaqysterhsh toy ergoy;

PETALWTHS: Gia mas, qa htan poly eykolo otan blepame oles aytes tis antidraseis twn katoikwn opoy mazi me aytoys sygxwneythkan kai sysswreythkan kai diaforoi alloi mh katoikoi oi opoioi aplws prospaqoysan na diekdikhsoyn ypotiqetai mia eikona ston aktibismo toys, qa mporoysame na ypoxwrhsoyme h na ypanaxwrhsoyme. Den to kaname me poly megalo kostos, giati akribws pisteyoyme sth synepeia kai sth synexeia twn apofasewn poy exoyme labei. Apo ekei kai pera, einai jekaqaro kai to exw pei polles fores oti to ergo qa ginei sthn Keratea. Den allazoyme otidhpote ws pros to ergo, leptomereies poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn kalyterh leitoyrgia aytoy toy ergoy poy einai poly shmantiko giati exoyme meletes, giati exoyme xrhmata apo thn E.E. poy diaforetika qa xaqoyn kai emeis den prokeitai na ta afhsoyme na xaqoyn. Otidhpote loipon poy afora th beltiwsh aytoy toy sxediasmoy, emeis to syzhtame, alla sta kyriarxa zhthmata sta opoia eixame emmeinei apo thn arxh, einai safes oti emmenoyme. Sto shmeio ayto qa hqela na anaferw oti, ayth h diadikasia ths syzhthshs me ton dhmarxo Layrewtikhs, me toys topikoys foreis, me alloys foreis poy exoyn klhqei na exoyn apoch, den exei oloklhrwqei. Gi ayto as perimenoyme na oloklhrwqei, na bgoyn apofaseis kai porismata apo ayth thn syzhthsh kai tote qa mporoyme na milame pio analytika. Pantws, h ekfrasmenh apoch einai oti : Den kanoyme pisw apo to ergo. Kai einai poly shmantiko otan mas elegan kapoioi `` kante pisw, fygete apo thn perioxh, den qa ginei XYTY''. Emeis exoyme sygkekrimenh apoch, leme oti to ergo qa ginei sthn Keratea kai oi leptomereies syzhtioyntai se tetoio baqmo omws poy na mhn allazei to ergo. Ayto einai jekaqaro.

MOSXOBAS: Qa ginei sthn perioxh poy exei jekinhsei na kataskeyazetai, sto Obriokastro;

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa. Briskomaste sto meson mias syzhthshs. Dhlwseis poy piqanon na dhmioyrghsoyn antidraseis, den qa tis kanw giati perifroyroyme thn syzhthsh poy ginetai se polla epipeda kai apodeiknyei oti emeis kai exoyme kai emmenoyme stis apoceis mas, alla den exoyme aytismo poy na mas empodizei na akoysoyme otidhpote allo.

MOSXOBAS: Apokleietai na allajei h xwroqethsh;

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa.

MIXAHL: To politiko zhthma brisketai sto ejhs: Oti aytos o dialogos kai h syzhthsh poy anamenoyme gia na ginei ayto to ergo sthn Keratea...

PETALWTHS: ... aytos o dialogos ginetai hdh...

MIXAHL: ... den ginetai omws me ton armodio ypoyrgo Eswterikwn. Dioti aytoi kanoyn ton perifereiako sxediasmo kai aytoi epilegoyn toys xwroys. To yp. Periballontos empleketai opws kai sto parelqon mono oson afora to an prostateyetai h oxi to periballon se opoiadhpote perioxh epilegei. Kata synepeia ti blepoyme edw; Oi foreis poy phgainoyn se ayto to dialogo, o dhmarxos Layrewtikhs kai oi alloi foreis, na syzhtane me enan ypoyrgo to qema toy periballontos, den syzhtane omws me enan ypoyrgo poy exei thn eyqynh oloy toy sxediasmoy toy ergoy.

PETALWTHS : Na sas ypenqymisw oti se aytes tis syzhthseis symmetexei kai o Grammateas Apokentrwmenhs Dioikhshs k. Liakopoylos, o opoios exei dioristei apo to ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn kai ekfrazei tis apoceis toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn. Ayto na mhn to jexname.

MARAQIAS: Yparxei nomos apo to 1997 o opoios apagoreyei h den problepei oysiastika thn kataskeyh XYTY h XYTA se biomhxaniko parko. Opote se poia bash ginetai h syzhthsh me bash thn protash poy exei kanei h k. Mpirmpilh;

PETALWTHS: Sas epanalambanw, oti to na leme twra leptomereies kai piqana senaria gia to pws qa ginei to ergo, gia to ti synepeies qa yparxoyn, einai senaria. Emeis exoyme mia apofash, exoyme ena xwrotajiko sxediasmo, den prokeitai na proxwrhsoyme se mh efarmogh toy nomoy - ayto einai jekaqaro. Lambanontai ypoch kai alles parametroi kai sto telos qeloyme na exoyme ena ergo to opoio qa prostateyei to periballon kai na stamathsei epiteloys ayto poy ginetai me th diaxeirish twn aporrimmatwn kai na mhn exoyme kai tis synepeies apo thn E.E. me prostima kai me xasimo xrhmatwn. Ola ayta lambanontai ypoch kai h lysh poy qa breqei qa einai h synistamenh olwn aytwn twn parametrwn.

PITTARAS: Qelw na rwthsw thn apoch ths kybernhshs an me ton qanato toy Mpin Lanten apodoqhke dikaiosynh.

PETALWTHS: Gi ayto to qema o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, o k. Droytsas, exei ekdwsei sxetikh anakoinwsh. Fysika, kaneis den mporei na pistecei oti me to qanato enos anqrwpoy, estw kai tromokrath, oti qa mporoyse na lyqei to megalo qema ths tromokratias. Einai megalo, einai synqeto, exei polles parametroys kai aytes lambanontai ypoch gia na yparxei kai na arqrwnetai politikos logos ep' aytoy.

MARAQIAS: Mia efhmerida shmera, nomizw h ``Eleyqerotypia'' exei ena dhmosieyma poy leei oti nayaghse h ependysh sto Ellhniko apo toys Katarianoys. Isxyei ayto to dhmosieyma;

PETALWTHS: Emeis prospaqoyme na kanoyme me ton kalytero tropo thn ependysh sto Ellhniko. Prospaqoyme na diafylajoyme to dhmosio symferon, den exei nayaghsei tipota kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh kinoymaste.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo apogeyma. --1427249692-1027482757-1304364267=:21621--

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