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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 28 Martioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 323363558

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 28 Martioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri kai kalh ebdomada.

H xwra mas proshlqe sth Synodo Koryfhs ths E.E. me sygkekrimeno sxedio kai sygkekrimenes protaseis, toso gia ta dika mas symferonta, oso kai gia thn Eyrwph, genikotera.

Kyrio oplo mas einai h ajiopistia poy pleon diaqetoyme, meta tis synolikes prospaqeies poy kataballoyme ws xwra.

Einai idiaitera shmantiko na antilhfqoyme, epiteloys, oloi oti proxwrame mprosta me prajeis kai oxi me eykola logia. Apoktoyme isxy kai peiqw otan eimaste enwmenoi. Petyxainoyme toys stoxoys mas otan exoyme safes sxedio kai aptes realistikes protaseis.

Oi prosfates apofaseis ths atyphs Synodoy, poy diasfalisthkan plhrws sth Synodo ths 25hs Martioy, einai katakthsh toy ellhnikoy laoy. Shmera, oloi anagnwrizoyn to shmantiko kai dyskolo dromo poy dianysame. Oloi anagnwrizoyn thn eyrwpaikh diastash twn problhmatwn poy prwtoi emeis qesame.

Dikaiwnetai, de, plhrws h strathgikh mas toy prwtoy gyroy, etsi wste na exoyme mia apofash apo thn atyph Synodo ths 11hs Martioy, h opoia epikyrwqhke kai sth Synodo ths 25hs Martioy, opoy eixame paragontes poy den htan sigoyro oti qa mas diasfalizan to teliko apotelesma, ean den apotypwnontan oi qeseis mas sthn prwth Synodo.

Oso kai an orismenoi, gia dikoys toys logoys, prospaqoyn na meiwsoyn th shmasia twn apofasewn - shmasia gia ton ellhniko lao kai oxi gia thn kybernhsh - faskontas kai antifaskontas syxna, oi apofaseis aytes oyte aytonohtes htan, oyte mas xaristhkan apo kanenan. Apoteloyn katakthsh ths xwras kai diasfalizoyn mia omaloterh poreia pros thn ejodo apo thn krish.

Anakoyfismenoi apo ena shmantiko baros, mporoyme pleon na proxwrhsoyme me megalyterh anesh stis pragmatikes tomes poy exei anagkh o topos kai tis allages poy epizhtoyn oi Ellhnes polites.

Oi apofaseis ths Synodoy ananewnoyn th dynamikh kai thn prooptikh mas. Apodeiknyetai me safhneia pws emeis oi idioi oi polites ayths ths xwras kratame pleon thn tyxh sta xeria mas. Emeis apofasizoyme gia to pws qeloyme th xwra mas. Emeis prepei na fqasoyme mexri teloys ton agwna mas me synepeia, enothta kai ychlh aisqhsh toy kaqhkontos apo oloys mas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPANOY: Xqes, para polla diodia stoys eqnikoys odikoys ajones htan anoixta. Kai malista oxi apo ton SYRIZA, apo to PAME kai apo to kinhma ``Den plhrwnw''. Ektos apo to na kataggellete organwmenes ekdhlwseis kai kommatika ypokinoymenes, exete allo tropo na antimetwpisete ayto to fainomeno, poy pleon apokta mazika xarakthristika;

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti, polles fores, oi idioi oi polites dinoyn kai tis apanthseis toys se ayta ta ypotiqemena kinhmata, ta opoia kaqe allo para diasfalizoyn to symferon twn Ellhnwn politwn. Exoyme anaferqei kata koron s` ayta ta zhthmata, ejhgwntas ti egine me ta diodia: Oi symbaseis einai toy 2007. Eimaste sth diadikasia anaqewrhshs pollwn symbasewn kai me bash toys kanones, toys nomoys kai tis symbaseis fysika tis opoies prepei na sebastoyme san xwra, proxwrame gia na epilysoyme tis, ontws, polles streblwseis poy yparxoyn, eidika sto qema twn diodiwn. Apo ekei kai pera, to na phgainoyn kapoioi kai na aytodikoyn - na shkwnoyn tis mpares apo ta diodia - den prosferoyn ergo. Prosferoyn eykoles entypwseis. San organwmenh Politeia, emeis exoyme ypoxrewsh na antimetwpisoyme to qema qesmika, syntetagmena kai oi ypotiqemenoi aktibismoi den bohqoyn, sthn oysia, thn epanorqwsh aytwn twn streblwsewn, oi opoies pragmatika yparxoyn sta diodia.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, me poion tropo skopeyei h kybernhsh na kalycei th ``mayrh trypa'' sta esoda. Kai an yparxei endexomeno, ta metra poy eprokeito na lhfqoyn to 2012 na erqoyn mprosta sto 2011.

PETALWTHS: Emeis ayto poy kanoyme kai to exoyme epanalabei polles fores, einai na prospaqoyme na throyme aparegklita toys stoxoys mas. Qa prepei oloi na antilhfqoyme kai na katanohsoyme oti mono me thn thrhsh aytwn twn stoxwn mporoyme na pame mprosta kai fysika, ayto efarmozoyme. Epeidh, omws, akoygontai polla gia ta elliph esoda, qa prepei na antilhfqoyme oti briskomaste kai prospaqoyme na politeytoyme mesa se katastaseis ektaktoy anagkhs. Mesa se katastaseis oi opoies einai reystes, opoy den yparxei safhs kai jekaqarh diasfalish olwn oswn ypologizoyme kai fysika sta esoda. Gnwrizoyme poly kala kai htan dromologhmeno - giati kapoioi mas miloyn shmera gia thn elleich anaptyjhs - oti qa exoyme yfesh, baqia yfesh s` ayto to ejamhno toy 2011, gia na pame, na milame apo ekei kai pera, gia qetikes energeies kai qetika proshma. Ayto to lew, akribws, gia na aitiologhsw to elleimma twn esodwn. Apo ekei kai pera, exoyme jekaqarisei, exoyme anaferei para polles fores oti den prokeitai na yparjoyn nea metra, ypo thn ennoia ths perikophs misqwn kai syntajewn. Yparxoyn enallaktikes meqodoi gia thn anaplhrwsh twn esodwn. Ayto poy exoyme na kanoyme, einai na epispeysoyme, na beltiwsoyme th leitoyrgia mas, mesa stis synqhkes poy zoyme. Fysika, h kybernhsh ayto kanei kai qa to kanei, giati oi stoxoi mas qa prepei na meinoyn staqeroi, qa prepei na throyntai aparegklita, me bash, omws, tis arxes tis opoies exoyme qesei. Gnwrizoyme poly kala oti afenos men to biotiko epipedo toy Ellhna polith den antexei peraiterw perikopes, afeteroy omws gia na yparxei anaptyjh kai reystothta sthn agora, qa prepei na broyme alles meqodoys. Fysika yparxoyn kai oi enallaktikes meqodoi. Ekeino to opoio kanoyme, einai na doyleyoyme me bash tis arxes poy exoyme xarajei kai na throyme toys stoxoys mas, oso to dynaton me megalyterh synepeia.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Na epimeinw ligo. Apla, milhsate gia enallaktikes meqodoys, akoygetai aoristo, na to xarakthrisw etsi, poies mporei na einai aytes;

PETALWTHS: Ayto den egkeitai se kapoia syntagh. Ola ayta qa prosdioristoyn kai kata th syzhthsh toy mesoproqesmoy programmatos. Alla, ayto poy mporoyme na kanoyme ayth th stigmh einai na diabebaiwsoyme gi` ayta ta dyo stoixeia: Den prokeitai na meiwqei peraiterw to eisodhma toy Ellhna polith, gia na yparxoyn esoda, ayto einai jekaqaro. Apo ekei pera to stoxo twn esodwn qa ton kalycoyme. Yparxoyn tropoi, yparxoyn meqodoi. Ayto, omws, mporei na ginei mono me mia synolikh antimetwpish. Giati to na broyme esoda, entassetai mesa se mia synolikh taktikh kai strathgikh. Fysika, otan qetoyme toys stoxoys yparxei kai h problech oti aytoi oi stoxoi se sygkekrimena shmeia, mporei na mhn thrhqoyn akribws etsi opws to perimename.

SIDERHS: Ep` aytoy, gia na exoyme synexeia. Eipate prohgoymenws gia reystothta sthn agora kai parallhla oti doyleyoyme me bash tis arxes mas. Den fainetai kati tetoio kai sas diaceydei h pragmatikothta. H agora exei meinei apo reystothta kai oi trapezes den thn parexoyn. Kapote eixate milhsei gia dhmosio pylwna ston trapeziko tomea. Ti egine aytos; Xaqhke sta symferonta twn trapezitwn;

PETALWTHS: Na jekaqarisoyme oti h anaptyjh den erxetai aytomata. Den yparxei pathma koympioy gia na erqei h anaptyjh. Na epanalabw ayto poy anefera prohgoymenws, oti htan gnwsto pws qa eixame yfesh kai malista baqia yfesh. Kaneis den leei oti exoyme bgei apo thn krish. Den qa prepei na trefoyme tetoies ceydaisqhseis. Exoyme akomh mprosta mas poly dromo. To qema einai oti apoktame thn ajiopistia mas. Doyleyoyme ypo kalyteres pleon proypoqeseis kai sthn oikonomia, alla kai sthn ellhnikh pragmatikothta.

Oson afora sto qema twn trapezwn, exoyme jekaqarisei oti emeis prwta ap` ola - kai ayth einai h diafora mas kai me th N.D. - den xarizoyme xrhmata se kanenan. Milame mono gia eggyhseis oi opoies einai aparaithtes, prokeimenoy oi trapezes na mporoyn na daneiodothqoyn apo thn Eyrwpaikh Kentrikh Trapeza. H biwsimothta toy trapezikoy systhmatos den exei sxesh me ta kerdh kai ta symferonta twn trapezwn. Ayto einai ena allo zhthma. Exei sxesh me thn idia th biwsimothta ths oikonomias. Exoyme anaferei jekaqara oti emeis sthrizoyme th biwsimothta toy trapezikoy systhmatos, giati mas endiaferei h biwsimothta ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Alla apo ekei kai pera, qa qesoyme kai kanones. Kai ayto kanoyme. Syntoma qa yparxoyn kanones sto trapeziko systhma, oi opoioi qa syzhthqoyn, etsi wste ena megalo meros toylaxiston apo tis parexomenes eggyhseis stis trapezes na perasei, ws reystothta, sthn agora. Gia mas einai ejairetika shmantiko. Fysika anaptyxqhke, opws gnwrizete, kai mia syzhthsh, etsi wste oi trapezes na synaisqanqoyn to megeqos ths eyqynhs toys sthn anatajh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai panw s` ayth thn arxh dinoyme ki aytes tis eggyhseis poy einai eggyhseis, den einai reysto xrhma pros tis trapezes.

SIDERHS: Wraia. Ayto einai to ena skelos. Sto allo den apanthsate, oti to PA.SO.K. miloyse gia dhmosio pylwna ston trapeziko tomea.

PETALWTHS: Ayto den exei egkataleifqei san programmatikos stoxos toy PA.SO.K. Einai jekaqaro, alla qa prepei na antilhfqoyme oti oi synqhkes stis opoies zoyme kai oi synqhkes stis opoies apofasizoyme kai prattoyme, einai teleiws diaforetikes apo to na briskomastan se ena allo epipedo. Antilambanomaste oti to qema ths katastashs twn trapezwn einai lepto kai exei polles parametroys. Synepws, den mporoyme na poyme tipote parapanw. Alla, o programmatikos mas stoxos den exei egkataleifqei.

MARAQIAS: Fantazomai oti mia apo tis enallaktikes meqodoys gia na eisreysoyn xrhmata sta tameia toy kratoys kai na kalyfqoyn oi ``mayres trypes'' einai oi kratikopoihseis kai oi idiwtikopoihseis. Wstoso, ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs, opws shmera, h k. Mpirmpilh se synenteyjh poy paraxwrhse sthn efhmerida ``TA NEA'', antitiqetai sto endexomeno na idiwtikopoihqoyn h DEH kai h EYDAP, legontas oti ayto den symferei th xwra. Poio einai to sxolio sas; Telika, qa yparxei eniaia stash ths kybernhshs se ayto to qema h o enas ypoyrgos qa rixnei ston allo ta barh twn idiwtikopoihsewn kai apokratikopoihsewn;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, oi apokratikopoihseis mazi me thn ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias einai mesa sto stoxo twn 50 dis eyrw poy qesame, prokeimenoy na yparxei anaptyjh. Kai ayto einai ena poly shmantiko zhthma. Giati oi apokratikopoihseis, etsi opws qa apofasistoyn, mazi me thn ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias, poy ws ena megalo baqmo, einai parathmenh, giati th lymainontai diafora symferonta, einai ayta poy qa pyrodothsoyn kai thn anaptyjh, me qeseis ergasias mazi kai me alles parametroys. Apo ekei kai pera, safws yparxei kai qa yparxei eniaia qesh ths kybernhshs. H k. Mpirmpilh den diaforopoihqhke se tipote ap` ayto poy exei eipwqei mexri shmera. Milhse gia to dhmosio elegxo se sygkekrimenes epixeirhseis kai fysika, oxi gia th diaxeirish. Ayto einai ena jexwristo zhthma. O dhmosios elegxos mporei na epiteyxqei me polles meqodoys. Apo ekei kai pera, otan anoijei to zhthma twn apokratikopoihsewn - kai lew ``otan'', giati syntoma qa ginei syzhthsh se armodia kybernhtika organa - kaqe ypoyrgos qa pei tis apoceis toy, qa kataqesei tis protaseis toy kai qa yparxei synolikh kai syllogikh apofash ep` aytoy. Den yparxei kamia diastash. As mh caxnoyme na broyme alloy eidoys zhthmata. Oi qeseis mas einai jekaqares kai qa paroysiastoyn me apofash h opoia qa yparjei apo ta kybernhtika organa. Einai eylogh h erwthsh sas, alla h k. Mpirmpilh milhse gia dhmosio elegxo kai oxi gia diaxeirish.

MARAQIAS: Dhladh, h kybernhsh pleon einai anoixth sto qema toy na apofygei to management dhmosiwn epixeirhsewn kai organismwn se idiwtes Ellhnes kai jenoys;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, epanalambanw oti allo elegxos kai allo diaxeirish. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Apo ekei kai pera, ayth h syzhthsh einai prowrh, me dedomeno oti qa yparjei apofash twn armodiwn kybernhtikwn organwn.

GARGALAKOS: Dyo qemata hqela na qesw: To ena einai oi kathgories poy ektojeyontai apo ton xwro ths N.D. se sxesh me thn ypoqesh twn ypobryxiwn poy h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh qewrei oti kapoy thn frakarete kai den thn prowqeite sth Boylh kai to deytero h kathgoria oti h ERT ektelei propagandistika symbolaia eis baros ths N.D.

PETALWTHS: Einai dyo zhthmata ta opoia, pragmatika, me perisso qrasos anoigei h N.D. apokryptontas thn pragmatikothta kai malista diastreblwnontas thn. Prwta ap' ola na jekaqarisoyme oti ayth h ereyna gia ta ypobryxia jekinhse epi kybernhsews PASOK, me jekaqares stoxeyseis kai me skopo na erqoyn ola sto fws. Ayth einai h ylopoihsh ths entolhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros oloys toys ypoyrgoys, oi opoioi ergasqhkan kai opws fainetai apodidei kai ergo. H N.D. anakalyce twra, poly arga, ti shmainei diafaneia, otan h idia ekleine thn Boylh aron-aron gia na paragrafoyn oi poinikes eyqynes twn ypoyrgwn ths, otan h idia mesa se ena pagkosmiws prwtotypo fainomeno, ws kybernhtikh pleiochfia, na apoxwrei apo thn aiqoysa ths Olomeleias toy Koinoboylioy gia na mhn syzhthsei zhthmata skandalwn, opoy booyse olos o topos.

Emeis, akribws, thn antiqeth taktikh akoloyqoyme, giati exoyme kai teleiws diaforetikh antilhch. Emeis dwsame entolh, ws kybernhsh, na diereynhqei apo to SDOE ton Aprilio toy 2010, alla kai ton Ioynio toy idioy xronoy, ws deyterh ereyna, o,ti afora sta ypobryxia kai o,ti empleketai me proswpa kai katastaseis gyrw apo ayto. To SDOE ejedwse to porisma toy prin apo liges meres, to opoio estalh sthn Eisaggelia.

Omws, apo thn Eisaggelia akomh den estalh ston ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs, o opoios shmera me analytikh anakoinwsh toy anaferetai leptomereiaka kai diejodika sto olo qema. Kata synepeia, logika, to porisma den exei fqasei akomh sth Boylh.

H N.D. prospaqwntas na prokatabalei kai na dhmioyrghsei entypwseis ebgale ta symperasmata ths kai milhse gia ejetastikes epitropes, gia proanakritikh, toso espeysmena, poy makari, sto elaxisto, thn idia spoydh na akoloyqoyse otan htan kybernhsh. H N.D. apekrypte kai apokryptei pantote tis eyqynes twn politikwn proswpwn poy exoyn sxesh me to diko ths komma.

Kai ep' aytoy, na moy epitrecete, ypenqymizontas th sxetikh dhlwsh moy anaforika me to sygkekrimeno qema, na epanalabw oti h N.D. parabiazei anoiktes qyres. Giati h kybernhsh toy PASOK htan ayth poy jekinhse ayth th diadikasia kai fysika, otan qa erqei to qema sth Boylh, h Koinoboyleytikh Omada kai ta armodia organa toy PASOK qa akoloyqhsoyn kai sygkekrimenh diadikasia. H N.D. as mhn deixnei oti anhsyxei, giati den mporei na peisei kanenan kai me to parelqon ths, alla ap' o,ti fainetai kai me to paron ths. Aytes oi koytoponhres praktikes kai taktikes fainetai oti tairiazoyn, dystyxws akomh, sth N.D.

Oso afora to deytero qema poy qesate, exw na pw oti h N.D. epideiknyei gia pollosth fora perisso qrasos, otan gnwrizoyme para poly kala poioi htan oi misqoi epi diakybernhsews ths, sthn ERT. Dekades xiliades eyrw to mhna se ekatontades stelexh ths. Kai otan, epishs, gnwrizoyme para poly kala pws organwnotan me ena ceydh epikoinwniako tropo h olh epikoinwnia ths N.D. xrhsimopoiwntas kyriws thn ypotiqemenh dhmosia Thleorash. Shmera, ayto poy den mporei na katanohsei h N.D. einai oti emeis prospaqoyme na qesoyme tis baseis oytws wste na beltiwsoyme th dhmosia Thleorash me tropo wste na epitelei ton rolo ths apenanti ston polith kai ayto to antilambanetai o poliths, oxi omws kai h N.D. h opoia as mhn protrexei kai as mhn probainei se anoysies anakoinwseis. Kai o k. Mixelakhs as mhn dhlwnei pragmata kai zhthmata gia ta opoia o ellhnikos laos exei idia apoch, giati ta exei zhsei sto petsi toy.

PITTARAS: Epeidh milhsate nwritera gia toys stoxoys kai perigracate peripoy pws qa kalyfqei to keno twn esodwn, alla kai ton allo megalo stoxo sas poy einai oi apokratikopoihseis, einai stoys sxediasmoys sas kai mia allagh sto kybernhtiko sxhma h toylaxiston mia enisxysh toy oikonomikoy epiteleioy gia na mporesei aproskopta kai perissotero syntonismena na petyxei aytoys toys dyo basikoys stoxoys;

PETALWTHS: Qa zhtoysa gia allh mia fora na stamathsoyme na milame gia anasxhmatismo. Ta gnwsta qemata twn prowrwn eklogwn kai toy anasxhmatismoy einai lian prosfilh se sas toys dhmosiografoys. Sxedon den exei perasei mera poy na mhn erwthqei o kybernhtikos ekproswpos gi' ayta ta dyo qemata. Malista, kapoioi diarreoyn oti exoyn kai plhrofories ep' aytwn.

Fysika, den yparxei tetoio zhthma. Emas, ayto poy mas endiaferei, einai na throyme toys stoxoys mas, na kanoyme th doyleia mas. Dioti exei apodeixqei otan kanoyme th doyleia mas - kai malista fanhke oti thn kanoyme poly kala mexri twra - exoyme kai ta paragomena apotelesmata, kai syn tois allois thn anagnwrish kai epibrabeysh apo oloys toys Eyrwpaioys etairoys mas. Fysika, exoyme akomh pollh doyleia mprosta mas, exoyme na kataballoyme epipones prospaqeies. Omws, fainetai kai apodeiknyetai oti h kybernhsh ta katafernei kala, ean analogisqei kaneis tis synqhkes ypo tis opoies epitelei to ergo ths.

KOYTRAS: Ep' aytoy: Wstoso, to teleytaio xroniko diasthma poreyeste me senaria anasxhmatismoy. Kai lew ``poreyeste'', dioti shmera exw akoysei toylaxiston treis ypoyrgoys poy exoyn milhsei se radiofwna h se thleoraseis, oi opoioi apantoyn sto sygkekrimeno zhthma kai apantoyn me enan tropo poy exete apanthsei ki eseis thn Paraskeyh to prwi, oti ``yparxoyn periqwria beltiwshs''. Ayto to pragma, profanws kai afhnei anoikto to senario anasxhmatismoy.

PETALWTHS: Gia esas.

KOYTRAS: Gia oloys. Kai gia toys idioys toys ypoyrgoys.

PETALWTHS: Oxi, dioti, gia thn aplh logikh, ta periqwria beltiwshs einai jekaqara. Einai aytonohto pws den yparxei kybernhsh, den yparxei anqrwpinh yphresia, den yparxei leitoyrgia poy na mhn epidexetai beltiwsh. Safws kai epidexetai beltiwsh to ergo kai h leitoyrgia olwn mas, plhn omws, ayto den exei kamia sxesh me anasxhmatismo. Ayta ta senaria anasxhmatismoy ta akoyme kai ta blepoyme kaqe mera, wstoso, sthn prajh apodeiknyetai oti den isxyoyn. Kai ayto einai pasifanes. Kai opoios qa erxotan shmera na pei pws den yparxoyn periqwria beltiwshs olwn mas, pragmatika nomizw oti qa prospaqoyse na katalysei ta aytonohta. Ayto den shmainei tipota. Emeis leme thn alhqeia ston kosmo. Emeis katadeiknyoyme tis synqhkes ypo tis opoies ergazetai shmera h ellhnikh kybernhsh. Kai fysika, opoy mporoyme na beltiwsoyme th leitoyrgia mas, th beltiwnoyme, gnwrizontas ej arxhs oti kaqe mera exoyme na antimetwpisoyme kai mia diaforetikh politikh katastash. Yp' ayth thn ennoia, safws, opoy mporoyme na beltiwqoyme, beltiwnomaste. Omws, ayto den exei kamia sxesh me ta senaria peri anasxhmatismoy.

PITTARAS: Pantws, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw pws ayth h syzhthsh, genikws, toylaxiston opws tiqentai oi erwthseis, den einai kat' anagkh kakh. Dhladh, to na enisxyqei enas ypoyrgos se ena megalo kommati poy parakoloyqei, den einai kat' anagkh kako.

PETALWTHS: Den eipa oti h syzhthsh einai kakh, alla den exei sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

PITTARAS: Kai eidika otan milame gia to qema twn esodwn, sto opoio fanhke oti ekei yphrxe mia kybernhtikh adynamia na diaxeirisqeite to sygkekrimeno qema kai malista yphrje kai mia apopomph Genikoy Grammatea. Ara, gi' ayto rwtame, ean yparxei, estw ws endexomeno h ws skech, na enisxyqei o k. Papakwnstantinoy s' ayto to kommati, toylaxiston, twn esodwn, gia na mhn breqoyme pro aprooptwn sto mellon kai caxnoyme na broyme giati den exoyme ikanopoihsei ta esoda.

PETALWTHS: Egw qa epanalabw ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws. Oti oi synqhkes den einai oi kanonikes synqhkes opoy qa mporoysame na ypologizoyme me akribeia ta esoda, qa mporoysame na ypologizoyme akribws ola ta paragomena apotelesmata mias sxediazomenhs prajhs. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti oi eispraktikoi mhxanismoi akomh den einai sto epipedo poy qeloyme na einai. Exei perasei hdh kai sxetiko nomosxedio, alla apo ekei kai pera ayta ta pragmata den ginontai aytomata, oyte diorqwnontai eykola. Ara, yparxoyn polles parametroi, ws pros to skelos twn esodwn kai thn ysterhsh toys. Fysika, yfistatai kai to qema toy oti safws den yparxei anaptyjh kai den qa mporoyse na yparjei sthn paroysa krish poy dierxomeqa. Omws, ayta den exoyn kamia sxesh me anasxhmatismo. Safws kai h syzhthsh, opws eipate, den einai kakh, plhn omws den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pairnw aformh apo mia apanthsh sas, poy eipate oti to qema twn ypobryxiwn anoije me dikh sas prwtoboylia, sto plaisio ths entolhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia ``ola sto fws''. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, an, gia paradeigma, opws prokyptei toylaxiston apo ta stoixeia toy SDOE poy exoyme dei ws twra, giati kaneis den jerei thn plhrh dikografia, skopeyete na perasete kai se mia allh kinhsh eswkommatikh, diagrafhs, gia paradeigma, toy 'Akh Tsoxatzopoyloy, giati ws twra exei anastalei h kommatikh idiothta toy kai deyteron, ean ayto to ``ola sto fws'' isxyei kai gia alles periptwseis, opws gia paradeigma, h SIEMENS, ta omologa h ta parapoihmena stoixeia sthn oikonomia.

PETALWTHS: To ``ola sto fws'' kai ``kamia skia poyqena'' isxyei gia oles tis periptwseis, opoy yparxei kai h paramikrh yponoia kataspatalhshs dhmosioy xrhmatos. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Einai entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Einai apoch kai protash poy exei perasei se oloys mas. Ej alloy, gi' ayto h ellhnikh kybernhsh, edw kai enamish xrono poy einai en leitoyrgia, den exei dwsei deigmata grafhs kybernhsewn toy parelqontos kai idiws ths N.D. Apo ekei kai pera, to na syndeoyme ena porisma - to opoio akomh den exoyme dei, pera apo kapoies diarroes poy den gnwrizoyme ean ontws antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta - me sygkekrimena proswpa kai me thn katastash sygkekrimenwn proswpwn mesa sto PASOK, adikei ayth kaq' aythn thn prospaqeia kai antiqeta enisxyei ayth thn prospaqeia poy kanei h N.D. na strecei alloy thn kateyqynsh ths koinhs gnwmhs, isxyrizomenh oti ta skandala einai skandala toy PASOK kai oxi ths N.D. To PASOK exei kanei kai kanei th doyleia toy me ton kalytero tropo sthn kateyqynsh poy anefera prohgoymenws: Ola sto fws. An mporoyse kai h N.D. sto elaxisto na kanei to idio kai gia ta dika ths stelexh kai genikotera gia ola ta skandala, qa hmastan pragmatika mia xwra shmera poy den qa eixe kamia sxesh me ayto poy biwnoyme.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Gia na ginw ligo pio sygkekrimenh: Ayto shmainei oti qa exoyme Ejetastikh gia thn oikonomia mexri ton Ioynio poy paragrafontai ta parapoihmena stoixeia; Kai qa yparjei kai protash apo to PASOK gia proanakritikh sth SIEMENS kai ta omologa;

PETALWTHS: Otan yparjei apofash, qa anakoinwqei.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo apogeyma. --1427249692-724022051-1301348374=:3064--

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