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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 2 Febroyarioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 314186359

Ekdosh 1

BRIEFING(020211)

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 2 Febroyarioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Yperchfisthke, xqes, sthn Oikonomikh Epitroph toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy ekqesh ths eyrwboyleytoy toy PASOK, Annys Podhmata, gia ta kainotoma mesa xrhmatodothshs se paneyrwpaiko kai pagkosmio epipedo, opws einai to eyrwomologo, o foros ston anqraka kai o foros epi twn xrhmatisthriakwn synallagwn. Opws gnwrizete, sthn protash kai gia ta eyrwomologa, alla kyriws gia to foro epi twn xrhmatisthriakwn synallagwn, o legomenos foros Tobin, aytos poy prwtostathse kai ebale to qema sthn atzenta ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, einai o Prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos Papandreoy. Kai ayto, bebaia, einai mia timh gia emas, ws xwra, alla apodeiknyei akribws kai th qesh poy exoyme pleon katakthsei, alla kai thn ajiopistia mas, h opoia anorqwnetai. Emeis eimaste aytoi poy qetoyme zhthmata, ws xwra pleon, poy agwnizomaste na allajoyme mhxanismoys poy mas eferan sta proqyra ths xreokopias. Mhxanismoys dieqnwn agorwn poy droyn sxedon anejelegkta. Tipote den mas xaristhke. Agwnisthkame kai agwnizomaste kaqhmerina sto ejwteriko gia to symferon ths xwras.

Dystyxws, omws, thn idia stigmh poy emeis dinoyme tis maxes kai malista me orath epityxia kai enw akomh kai oi Germanoi xristianodhmokrates toy eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos chfisan yper toy foroy epi twn xrhmatisthriakwn synallagwn, ayton akribws to foro katachfise h eyrwboyleyths ths N.D. Chfise enantia se enan foro poy epiballetai se trapezikoys kolossoys kai se terastia xrhmatopistwtika idrymata, etsi opws synhqizetai na tis leme pleon ``dieqneis agores'' kai poy apoferei terastia oikonomika ofelh sta krath. Apodeiknyetai peritrana, loipon, me thn epilogh ayth poies einai kai oi epiloges ths N.D., h opoia epilegei na mhn teqei antistoixos foros stis xrhmatopistwtikes synallages kai stoys megaloys trapezikoys kolossoys, etsi wste na elegxontai kai oi agores, kati poy fysika einai eis baros toy aploy kai adynamoy polith, toy eyrwpaioy, fysika kai toy Ellhna. Ayth einai h diafora h dikh mas kai se tetoies stigmes, akribws, apodeiknyetai kai poia epilogh kanei to kaqe komma. Einai fanero pleon oti h antimnhmoniakh - legomenh - politikh ths N.D., oi eyaggelistes ths anaptyjhs sta logia, opws einai h N.D., katachfizoyn ayton akribws to foro poy prokeitai na diateqei gia anaptyjiakoys skopoys sta krath. Einai fanero, loipon, stoys Ellhnes polites gia poioys endiaferetai h N.D., katachfizontas ayto to foro. Alloys paristanoyn mesa kai alloi apodeiknyontai, dystyxws, ejw.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPANOY: H k. Podhmata, milwntas shmera sto  Flash kathggeile sygkekrimena oti den egkriqhke to arqro ths eishghshs ths gia to foro stis xrhmatopistwtikes synallages, gia mia chfo. Ayth thn chfo ths k. Kratsa. Kai qelw na rwthsw, afoy egine lompingk sto eyrwpaiko Laiko Komma apo thn ellhnikh pleyra kai to CDU, ap` o,ti jerw, yperchfise gia paradeigma, me toys eyrwboyleytes ths N.D. den yphrje kapoia epafh, den yphrje kapoia synennohsh;

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws kai yphrje. H k. Podhmata milhse me thn k. Giannakoy poy einai h epikefalhs twn eyrwboyleytwn ths N.D. Kai gi` ayto htan mia terastia kai poly dysaresth ekplhjh kai gia toys eyrwboyleytes toy PASOK, alla kai th xwra mas genikotera, oti h N.D. me thn eyrwboyleyth ths k. Kratsa, chfise enantia sthn epibolh aytoy toy foroy kai enantia malista kai sto eyrwpaiko Laiko Komma sto opoio anhkei h N.D. Einai epibeblhmeno na ejhghsei h N.D. ston ellhniko lao gi` ayth ths thn epilogh, h opoia safws kai einai mia syneidhth epilogh kai einai epilogh yper twn dynatwn, yper twn trapezikwn dieqnwn kolosswn kai yper twn dieqnwn agorwn.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, kyrie Ekproswpe, an symmerizetai h kybernhsh thn apoch poy feretai na ejefrase h ypoyrgos Ergasias k. Katselh, oti h troika kanei polla pragmata, gia ta opoia den nomimopoieitai kai oti o qorybos poy dhmioyrgeitai sth xwra mas kaqe fora poy erxetai h troika sthn Ellada, leitoyrgei apostaqeropoihtika.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola na pw -epeidh exw milhsei poly me thn k. Katselh kai gia ta qemata ayta - h k. Katselh ejefrase kapoies apoceis se syzhthseis. Kai fysika, aytes oi syzhthseis metaferqhkan kai malista me tropo poy den apodidoyn sthn k. Katselh ayta poy skeftotan kai poy hqele na ekfrasei. To oti dhmioyrgeitai qorybos, dhmioyrgeitai qorybos oxi apo thn troika, alla giati kaqe fora poy erxetai h troika, h opoia den kanei tipote allo apo to na dienergei elegxoys gia na ypobalei tis ekqeseis - poy einai ypoxrewmenh na to kanei - dhmioyrgeitai mia katastrofologia, mia tromokrathsh oysiastika twn pantwn. Oti erxetai h troika kai ayto shmainei oti einai kati para poly kako. Qa prepei na katanohsoyme, epiteloys, oti me poly megalo kopo, mphkame se enan mhxanismo sthrijhs. Ton prokalesame emeis, ws xwra, ayton ton eyrwpaiko mhxanismo sthrijhs, gia na mporoyme shmera na askoyme tis politikes mas me tropo poy na bgazoyn th xwra apo thn krish kai me mia anaptyjiakh diastash kai prooptikh. Kai einai epomeno oti oi pistwtes mas, aytoi poy mas daneisan se poly dyskolh stigmh, elegxoyn kata diasthmata -opws einai gnwsto mesa apo th diadikasia h opoia problepetai kai thn opoia gnwrizoyme edw kai kairo- kai syntassetai kaqe trimhno kapoia ekqesh. Einai loipon, ayto poy eipe kai ennooyse h k. Katselh kai einai kai h pragmatikothta, aparadekto kaqe fora me thn eleysh ths troika na yparxoyn senaria ta opoia anhkoyn sth sfaira ths fantasias kai fysika na dhmioyrgeitai ena klima to opoio den exei kai kamia antistoixish me to ti kanei h troika edw. Kai epeidh diabasa polla gia to ti eipe h k. Katselh, qa protimoysa na topoqeteitai h kybernhsh se prajeis kai se eyqeies topoqethseis ypoyrgwn kai oxi se ypotiqemenes syzhthseis oi opoies fysika den einai kai epishmes syzhthseis.

SIDERHS: Synhqws olo h k. Katselh exei tetoies amfisbhthseis kai antirropes gnwmes. Pws einai dynaton na mh katanooyme ti leei h k. Katselh;

PETALWTHS: Eseis ta akoysate ayta poy eipe h k. Katselh;

SIDERHS: Oxi, den hmoyn parwn, alla blepw oti kanenas allos ypoyrgos den paranoeitai. Paranoeitai, synhqws, h k. Katselh. Mhpws ftaiei h k. Katselh;

PETALWTHS: Mporei h k. Katselh na einai pio ayqormhth stis syzhthseis ths, einai gnwsto omws oti exei sygkekrimenes apoceis, einai gnwsth h doyleia poy kanei kai se poly dyskoles katastaseis. Lete gia ``paranohsh ''ths k. Katselh. Egw qymamai kai mesa se ayth thn aiqoysa twn politikwn syntaktwn, sthn aiqoysa toy briefing, epi poly megalo xroniko diasthma ta prwteyonta zhthmata poy eixame na lysoyme, htan poios ypoyrgos ``adeiazei'' poion, h poion ypoyrgo ``adeiazei'' o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos. Kalo qa einai na milame epi ths oysias. Kalo qa einai na milame se ekfrasmenes epishmes apoceis kai topoqethseis ypoyrgwn toys opoioys, aytes oi apoceis kai aytes oi topoqethseis einai poy toys ekfrazoyn kiolas.

KOYTRAS: Sygnwmh, einai oysia pantws, an h k. Katselh diafwnei h oxi me thn troika kai an exei pei ayta ta pragmata poy exei pei. Asxeta an...

PETALWTHS: H k. Katselh einai ypoyrgos Ergasias kai to ypoyrgeio ths exei amesh sxesh me tis leitoyrgies tis opoies erxetai kai elegxei h troika kai fysika syntassei kai thn analogh ekqesh. An diafwnoyse me thn troika den qa htan ypoyrgos. Gi` ayto lew oti h doyleia poy ginetai kai sta ergasiaka, einai mia poly shmantikh doyleia, me poly leptes isorropies. Kai fysika, tetoioy eidoys aploysteyseis kai genikes qewries oti diafwnei me thn troika h k. Katselh, adikoyn thn oysia.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epi ths oysias, me aformh omws ta osa eipe h k. Katselh, alla ta exei janapei dhmosia...

PETALWTHS: Eseis ta akoysate;

ZAFEIRIADOY: ..alla ta exei janapei dhmosia kai qa me diaceysete an kanw laqos.

PETALWTHS: Malista. Qa moy peite, omws, ti eipe dhmosia gia na doyme an symfwnoyme kiolas.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Wraia. Oi epixeirhsiakes symbaseis, kata thn k. Katselh, den prokeitai na allajoyn. Thn idia wra h mallon liges wres argotera, o k. Papakwnstantinoy enhmerwnontas toys boyleytes poy metexoyn ston Koinoboyleytiko Tomea Ergasias Oikonomikwn toy PASOK, eipe oti o ergasiakos nomos einai sthn atzenta twn syzhthsewn me thn troika.

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws einai. Ayto den shmainei allagh toy ergasiakoy nomoy.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Syzhtioyntai gia na mhn allajoyn;

PETALWTHS: Gia na jekaqarisoyme kapoia pragmata: Den tiqetai zhthma na allajei o nomos gia tis epixeirhsiakes symbaseis. Ayto einai dedomeno. Sto plaisio twn elegktikwn epiqewrhsewn kai ekqesewn poy kanei h troika gia th dikh ths pleyra, ena shmantiko kommati einai kai ta ergasiaka. Ayto to jeroyme kai to antilambanomaste kai einai h pragmatikothta. Ara, ayto den shmainei oti otan yparxei ergasiako qema, oti yparxei kai qema allaghs toy nomoy gia tis epixeirhsiakes symbaseis. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Yparxei nomos gia tis epixeirhsiakes symbaseis, enas nomos malista poy den exei akomh dokimastei kai poly sthn prajh, giati h isxys toy kai h leitoyrgia toy einai sxedon enas mhnas. Einai shmantikh tomh. Aytos o nomos qesmoqethqhke gia na swqoyn qeseis ergasias kai mono. Apo ekei kai pera, to na milame shmera gia allagh toy nomoy, einai yperboliko kai den antapokrinetai fysika sthn pragmatikothta.

SPANOY: Mia dieykrinish ep` aytoy: Eipate th frash ``an h k. Katselh diafwnoyse me thn troika den qa htan ypoyrgos'' h to antistrofo; Giati exoyme mia dixognwmia.

PETALWTHS: Oxi, epeidh akoysthke apo synadelfo sas oti diafwnei me thn troika. Ti diafwnei me thn troika; Me thn yparjh ths troikas, me th leitoyrgia ths troikas, me ti;

SPANOY: Oxi, eipate oti an diafwnoyse me thn troika den qa htan ypoyrgos;

PETALWTHS: Nai. Me thn yparjh ths troikas, me th leitoyrgia ths troikas, thn yparjh kai thn anagkaiothta toy mnhmonioy gia th swthria ths xwras, den qa htan ypoyrgos. Ayto den shmainei, bebaia, otidhpote allo. Alla, qelw epiteloys na antilhfqoyme oti h eleysh ths troikas edw, den einai kati diaforetiko, oyte kati poy na shmainei otidhpote gia thn politikh zwh toy topoy. H troika apoteleitai apo sygkekrimenoys anqrwpoys oi opoioi ekproswpoyn toys pistwtes mas kai erxontai gia na kanoyn tis ekqeseis toys, toys elegxoys toys, tis epiqewrhseis toys apo thn pleyra twn pistwtwn mas gia na mporoyn na ypobaloyn thn ekqesh toys gia thn poreia ths politikhs thn opoia askoyme, me bash to mnhmonio.

MARAQIAS: Me poies qeseis epi olwn aytwn twn zhthmatwn proserxetai o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos, thn Pempth, sth Synodo Koryfhs; Sto geyma twn hgetwn poy qa ginei, o k. Papandreoy ti qa pei kai ti qa zhthsei h ti qa proteinei mallon;

PETALWTHS: To qema ths Synodoy Koryfhs einai ta energeiaka, alla hdh yparxei kai mia skech h opoia ylopoihqhke: O k . Ban Rompai esteile mia epistolh, nomizw, oti sto geyma qa yparxei kai mia syzhthsh gia ta oikonomika. Oi qeseis ths Elladas einai gnwstes. Ekeino me to opoio proserxetai o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos einai akribws ta dedomena poy yparxoyn pleon gia thn poreia ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, gia thn ylopoihsh twn stoxwn poy exoyme qesei. Eimaste mesa stoys stoxoys kai polles fores eimaste pio prowqhmenoi apo toys stoxoys poy balame kai fysika yparxei h syzhthsh gia thn epimhkynsh, gia ena synolikotero paketo se eyrwpaikh diastash pleon poy exei amesh sxesh me thn eyrwpaikh oikonomikh diakybernhsh. Ola ayta einai zhthmata poy qa teqoyn atypa, isws, kai me apokoryfwma th Synodo Koryfhs stis 25 Martioy, opoy hdh qa exoyn ginei oi katallhles proergasies kai epejergasia twn qesewn kai qa teqoyn bebaia kai zhthmata, opoy qa lhfqoyn apofaseis.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dierwtwmai ean ayto to synoliko paketo gia oikonomikh diakybernhsh poy molis anaferate - fantazomai mia ptyxh toy einai kai h diaxeirish toy xreoys synolika sthn eyrwzwnh - an antexei h Ellada na epifortisqei me megalytera barh. 'Hdh, o k. Papakwnstantinoy, an den apatwmai, exei pei oti eimaste fortwmenoi para poly. Ara, loipon, synainoyme se ti emeis;

PETALWTHS: Gi' ayto akribws den milame gia nea barh. Emeis, ayto poy exoyme na kanoyme ws neo, einai oi megales allages poy kanoyme. Diarqrwtikes allages oi opoies den einai epibolh oyte ths troikas, oyte kapoias anwterhs dynamhs. Einai akribws pepoiqhsh, einai ideologia mas oti prepei na ginoyn megales allages. Kai otan ginontai aytes oi allages, tote kai anaptyjh erxetai kai oi stoxoi mas - oi braxyproqesmoi kai oi mesoproqesmoi - ylopoioyntai me poly megalh epityxia. Synepws, ayto exoyme na kanoyme. Einai safestato oti exoyme parei apofaseis poy polles fores einai epwdynes gia ton aplo polith. Twra pleon den milame gia tetoioy eidoys apofaseis. Milame gia shmantikes apofaseis. Gi' ayto, poly swsta eipe o k. Papakwnstantinoy oti exei ejantlhqei to periqwrio na prosqesoyme barh ston Ellhna polith. Synepws, kaneis apo mas den milaei gia barh.

GARGALAKOS: Oi giatroi, kyrie Ypoyrge, exoyn kinhtopoihqei kai hdh exoyn probei kai se - qa elege kaneis - akraies energeies, katalambanontas to ypoyrgeio Ygeias. Pws krinete eseis ws kybernhsh ayto to gegonos;

PETALWTHS: Pragmatika to eidame ki ayto. Mesa s' ena dialogo gia to nomosxedio gia thn Ygeia, o opoios hdh exei arxisei edw kai dyo mhnes, mia omada giatrwn katelabe to ypoyrgeio Ygeias piezontas ton ypoyrgo Ygeias k. Loberdo na fygei apo th Boylh gia na erqei mazi toys na syzhthsei sto ypoyrgeio Ygeias kai me thn proypoqesh, fysika, na aposyrqei to nomosxedio. Kati tetoio einai ejw apo kaqe dhmokratikh diadikasia. Kati tetoio einai poy apajiwnei tis dhmokratikes diadikasies ths diaboyleyshs, tis opoies emeis ferame -ayth h kybernhsh toy PASOK- kai malista se toso dyskoles epoxes. Kai fysika, me mia symperifora h opoia den htan kai h proshkoysa, afoy den dexqhkan na milhsoyn kan me ton yfypoyrgo Ygeias ton k. Timosidh kai me toys Genikoys Grammateis, alla hqelan ton k. Loberdo kai malista na desmeyqei prokatabolika o k. Loberdos oti qa aposyrqei to nomosxedio gia thn Ygeia. Ayto, fysika, den prokeitai na ginei. To nomosxedio brisketai sto teleytaio stadio ths epejergasias toy mesa sthn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia kai malista otan o k. Loberdos exei ejhghsei oti den qigontai ta ergasiaka kai epaggelmatika dikaiwmata twn giatrwn, oi opoioi diamartyrontai gi' ayto to nomosxedio. Akribws to antiqeto symbainei. Kai me mono gnwmona to dhmosio symferon kai to symferon toy Ellhna asqenoys, ayto to nomosxedio dinei lysh kai qetei terma stis terasties oyres poy parathroyntai sto IKA kaqhmerina, afoy pleon oi asfalismenoi toy IKA exoyn dikaiwma, ektos apo thn proseleysh toys sta Polyiatreia toy Idrymatos, na phgainoyn kai se alloys symbeblhmenoys giatroys, oi opoioi qa einai ektos twn Polyiatreiwn. Einai ena zhthma poy kai toys giatroys den qigei, afoy qa symblhqoyn kai alloi giatroi. Aytoi oi giatroi toy IKA den xanoyn to dikaiwma toys kai th symbash toys me to IKA, alla kai epiteloys tiqetai ena terma s' aytes tis ateleiwtes oyres poy kaqe allo para ejyphretoyn, antiqeta talaipwroyn toys polites. Ayto einai to krithrio, ayto pernaei mesa apo to nomosxedio. Kai epiteloys qa prepei oloi na antilhfqoyme oti exoyme ypoxrewsh, me tropo poy synadei pros th Dhmokratia, na epideijoyme thn analogh symperifora kai ypeyqynothta poy armozei pros to leitoyrghma kai thn idiothta toy kaqenos, wste na mhn parathroyntai tetoioy eidoys fainomena, san ki ayta poy shmeiwnontai ston xwro ths Ygeias.

XIDIROGLOY: Sas akoysa na lete oti oi energeies twn nosokomeiakwn giatrwn htan ejw apo kaqe dhmokratikh diadikasia.

PETALWTHS: Den einai monon oi nosokomeiakoi giatroi.

XIDIROGLOY: Kalws. Egw qa qesw to ejhs erwthma: Milaw gia ta xqesina kai qa qesw to erwthma alliws. Einai mesa sth dhmokratikh diadikasia h astynomia na jylokopa toys pantes kai dh toys Ellhnes; Paraqetw: Agios Pantelehmonas, Keratea kai twra oi nosokomeiakoi giatroi. Dedomenoy, loipon, oti den deijate thn idia spoydh sthn katalhch ths Nomikhs Sxolhs apo laqrometanastes, egw qa hqela na rwthsw: Pote qa stamathsete na symperifereste sthn koinwnia etsi;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, na jekaqarisoyme kapoia pragmata: Prwton, eidate kapoion na jylokopeitai sto ypoyrgeio Ygeias;

XIDIROGLOY: An den kanw laqos, yphrje kai traymatismos.

PETALWTHS: Kanete laqos, giati den yphrje kanenas traymatismos. H proedros toy Iatrikoy Syllogoy Peiraiws, poy htan apo toys diamartyromenoys kai toys katalhcies, lipoqymhse. Epanalambanw, den yphrje kanenas traymatismos kai den mporw na katalabw se poio jylokophma anafereste. An anafereste stis symplokes poy kanoyn ta akrodejia stoixeia ston 'Agio Pantelehmona me akraia stoixeia, ta opoia ypotiqetai oti yposthrizoyn toys metanastes, ayto den einai qema jylokophmatos twn Ellhnwn politwn apo thn Ellhnikh Astynomia. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Deyteron, gia thn Keratea yparxei ena sygkekrimeno zhthma dhmosioy symferontos. Sthn Keratea ginetai mia poly megalh doyleia, epiteloys na yparxei mia enarmonish me tis eyrwpaikes praktikes gia na mhn katadikazomaste opws katadikazomaste kai gia na mhn yparxei anarxh katastash, opws yparxei sto qema twn aporrimmatwn. Kai ayto poy telikws ginetai einai na prospaqhsoyme na baloyme tajh. Mallon mperdeyete ta akrodejia stoixeia me toys astynomikoys kai me o,ti allo kykloforei.

XIDIROGLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, moy epitrepete ep' aytoy;

PETALWTHS: Nai, bebaiws.

XIDIROGLOY: Qelw na epimeinw ligo, giati einai qema poiothtas Dhmokratias, kat' eme toylaxiston.

PETALWTHS: Mhpws otan milame gia Dhmokratia ennooyme allh Dhmokratia;

XIDIROGLOY: Den apokleietai. Nomizw oti yparxei ployralismos apocewn.

PETALWTHS: Nai, alla h Dhmokratia einai Dhmokratia. Giati kapoioi exoyn allh antilhch ths Dhmokratias.

XIDIROGLOY: Den diafwnw s' ayto. Enhmerwqhka shmera oti oi diwktikes arxes exoyn apaggeilei kathgories enantion pente atomwn ston 'Agio Pantelehmona, ta opoia enexontan se kapoia epiqesh enantion toy k. Alabanoy me giaoyrtia kai ta loipa. Den jerw tis leptomereies ths ypoqeshs, alla egw jerw omws ena pragma: Oti den exoyme kamia plhroforhsh mexri stigmhs gia to ti exei ginei me aytoys poy epiteqhkan ston boyleyth ths N.D. k. Xatzhdakh, toys opoioys eide olh h Ellada kai mesw twn dieqnwn eidhseografikwn praktoreiwn toys eide h mish yfhlios an oxi olh. Kai den jeroyme akomh ti egine me thn poly asxhmh ypoqesh ths Marfin. Dyskoleyomai na katalabw pws leitoyrgoyn oi diwktikes arxes. Yparxoyn dyo metra kai dyo staqma;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, den milame gia diwktikes arxes. Milame gia Eisaggelia. Ean thn Eisaggelia thn entassete stis diwktikes arxes, einai qema poy prepei na rwthsete th Dikaiosynh. Eiste dhmosiografos h oi synadelfoi sas oi diapisteymenoi ston xwro ths Dikaiosynhs mporoyn na rwthsoyn. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei mystikothta - opws gnwrizoyme kai stis prokatarktikes ejetaseis. Rwthste gia na deite akribws kai na maqete, prokeimenoy na enhmerwste kai to koino kat' epektash, ti ginetai me aytes tis ypoqeseis.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh blepei politikh ypokinhsh pisw apo thn katalhch toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias;

PETALWTHS: Epeidh briskomaste se ena lepto stadio, qa protimoysa na mhn anaferqw s' ayto.

PITTARAS: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia thn apofash toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias. Krinei antisyntagmatiko to nomo gia thn chfo twn allodapwn stis dhmotikes ekloges.

PETALWTHS: Ontws, yparxei ena qema to opoio exei na kanei me to nomo 3838 poy problepei zhthmata metanastwn. Enas nomos o opoios apo ena Tmhma, to D' Tmhma toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias, kriqhke antisyntagmatikos se sygkekrimenes diatajeis toy. Qa protimoysa na mhn anaferqw eidika. Ta Dikasthria exoyn dikaiwma na ekdidoyn tis apofaseis poy krinoyn. Apo ekei kai pera omws, prepei na pw kapoia pragmata: To qema qa kriqei sthn Olomeleia, poy shmainei oti tipote akomh den exei kriqei sto synolo toy. Ekeino poy prokalei entypwsh einai oti h krish peri antisyntagmatikothtas toy D' Tmhmatos toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias gia ton sygkekrimeno nomo ginetai me mia sygkekrimenh ideologikh proseggish, kati poy pragmatika jenizei. Epanalambanw oti o nomos qa kriqei sthn Olomeleia kai anamenoyme. Wstoso na epishmanw oti emeis eimaste akrws prosektikoi stoys nomoys toys opoioys nomoqetoyme kai malista otan aforoyn tetoioy eidoys eyaisqhta zhthmata, opws einai h apokthsh ths ellhnikhs iqageneias h h chfos metanastwn se dhmotikes ekloges kai monon. Epishs, kai kapoia alla stoixeia einai endiaferonta: Epeidh to diabasa, den syntrexei kamia periptwsh akyrwshs twn dhmotikwn eklogwn, kaq' oti o ariqmos twn metanastwn poy chfise einai gyrw stis 10 me 12 xiliades, ek twn opoiwn peripoy 7 xiliades einai omogeneis. Epishs, den eklexqhke kanenas metanasths, ara den yparxei nomimopoihtikos logos. Einai omws ena zhthma to opoio pragmatika mas kentrizei to endiaferon gia na jeroyme kiolas ti ginetai, giati kai oi dikastikes apofaseis einai h zwsa pragmatikothta. Emeis ws kybernhsh emmenoyme sto nomo. Ton chfisame. Pistecame s' ayto to nomo. O nomos aytos qetei terma se polla adiejoda kai se para polles adikies: Eidikotera sto qema twn anhlikwn poy exoyn gennhqei apo metanastes, alla edw kai para polla xronia zoyn edw sth xwra mas, einai Ellhnes oysiastika. Kai par' ola ayta, aytoi oi anqrwpoi hsan sto poyqena, giati den yphrxe mia stoixeiwdws qesmikh katoxyrwsh. Politika, bebaia, moy kanei entypwsh oti mila kai h N.D. gi' ayto to nomo, gia thn antisyntagmatikothta toy, thn opoia den proebale otan ginotan h sxetikh syzhthsh sth Boylh. Monon to komma toy LAOS proebale qema antisyntagmatikothtas. Kai malista enqymoymai oti toso h ka Mpakogiannh, oso kai o k. Paylopoylos eixan taxqei yper ths syntagmatikothtas toy nomoy. Synepws, qa prepei na eimaste oloi prosektikoi. Parakoloyqoyme thn ejelijh kai perimenoyme fysika thn apofash ths Olomeleias toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias.

PITTARAS: Epeidh den synhqizete na sxoliazete, pera apo apofaseis, oyte kan eishghseis dikastikwn, toylaxiston etsi exete akoloyqhsei ayth thn taktikh. Moy kanei entypwsh pws kat' arxhn to kanete kai m' ayto to sklhro yfos kai kyriws h frash poy xrhsimopoihsate peri ideologikhs proseggishs s' ayth thn eishghsh.

PETALWTHS: Den ennow politikhs, ennow ideologikhs.

PITTARAS: Poia einai ta kinhtra toys dhladh; Ti einai ayto poy sas prokalei kai sas kentrizei to endiaferon;

PETALWTHS: Den exw pei kai oyte prokeitai na pw oti yparxei kinhtro apo toys Dikastes toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias. Einai anqrwpoi oi opoioi exoyn idiaiterh morfwsh, mia idiaiterh empeiria kai kata thn krish kai syneidhsh toys ekdidoyn apofaseis. H ideologikh proseggish poy eipa synistatai sto oti yparxei eidikh anafora mesa sthn aitiologia ayths ths apofashs poy syndeei thn iqageneia me to qema ths syggeneias aimatos. Yp' ayth thn ennoia, safws kai yparxei ideologikh proseggish.

SIDERHS: Ep' aytoy: Nomizw oti olos o eyrwpaikos nomikos politismos afora thn syggeneia aimatos. Mono stis HPA afora thn edafikh entopiothta, epeidh htan ena polypolitismiko eqnos apo thn genesh toy.

PETALWTHS: Mono sthn Ellada exoyme tetoia fainomena opoy kykloforoyn metanastes mh katagegrammenoi.

SIDERHS: Ayto ofeiletai sthn anikanothta twn kybernwntwn, ths dikhs sas kai ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs.

PETALWTHS: Na sas ypenqymisw, epishs, oti se olh thn Eyrwph oi metanastes, ypo proypoqeseis, symmetexoyn stis aytodioikhtikes ekloges.

SIDERHS: Eipate, kyrie Ekproswpe, oti emmenete ws kybernhsh s' ayto to nomo. Dhladh an h apofash ths Olomeleias qa einai taytoshmh me ayth toy D' Tmhmatos toy StE, qa synexisete na epimenete;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, ws kybernhsh, leitoyrgoyme pantote me bash to nomo. Otan legw ``emmenoyme'' ennow oti ton nomo ton opoio chfisame ton pisteyoyme kai emmenoyme safws sthn orqothta toy. Ef' oson yparjei allh apofash, qa doyme kai ennoeitai oti den yparxei periptwsh na mhn enarmonistoyme me tis epitages ths Dikaiosynhs. Ayto einai aytonohto.

SIDERHS: H dikh sas apofash kai sth dhmioyrgia twn nomwn den exei ideologikh proseggish sthn polypolitismikothta toy k. Papandreoy;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei nomos ton opoio pistecame. To ti ennooyme polypolitismikothta einai qema ideologikhs syzhthshs kyrie Siderh kai qa htan kalytero na mhn thn kanoyme edw.

XIDIROGLOY: 'Asxeta me thn ejelijh se nomiko epipedo, den anhsyxeite gia thn apajiwsh ths eklogikhs diadikasias; Sas ypenqymizw oti stis ekloges toy 2000 me tis paranomes ellhnopoihseis dhmioyrghqhkan qemata, me apotelesma na amfisbhthqei h ekbash twn eklogwn toylaxiston sth syneidhsh pollwn politwn.

PETALWTHS: Pws amfisbhthqhke; Eseis pws thn proslambanete th syneidhsh twn ellhnwn politwn;

XIDIROGLOY: Moy epitrepete... na to qesw sth diastash poy egw nomizw. Sas eipa sto erwthma moy oti amfisbhthqhke h ekbash twn eklogwn toylaxiston sth syneidhsh pollwn politwn. Sas rwtaw giati hdh eixame poly megalh apoxh stis perasmenes dhmotikes kai perifereiakes ekloges kai ola ayta prokaloyn enan kindyno na apajiwqei entelws h politikh diadikasia. Eixame 12.000 metanastes oi opoioi endexetai na symmeteixan paranoma sth diadikasia.

PETALWTHS: Diafwnw me th bash ths erwthshs sas. Me thn prosfygh ellhna polith ejedwse ayth thn apofash to 4o tmhma toy Symboylioy Epikrateias . Yparxoyn ta dikasthria opoy qa mporoyse na prosfygei kapoios , opws lete eseis, kata twn paranomwn ellhnopoihsewn . Oson afora th syneidhsh toy ellhna polith den jerw an mporeite na thn ekfrazete eseis, arkei na mas peite poia krithria xrhsimopoieite gia na thn ekfrasete. Stis ekloges toy 2000 opws kai se kaqe eklogikh diadikasia sth xwra mas apo to 1974 kai meta, poy yparxoyn dhmokratikes eklogikes diadikasies, h Dhmokratia mas einai empedwmenh. Opoy yparxoyn amfisbhthseis gia thn eklogikh diadikasia, yparxoyn ta dikasthria.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie ypoyrge, exete kapoio sygkekrimeno sxedio gia toys laqrometanastes poy einai twra sthn Pathsiwn; Giati ean den exete, mporei na exoyme kapoia allh katalhch giati einai sth moda twra oi katalhceis, na fygoyn apo ekei na pane kapoy alloy.

PETALWTHS: Mono poy katalhceis den kanoyn mono oi metanastes, tis kanoyn kai alloi, opws apodeiknyetai. Exoyme ekfrastei gia to qema toy xeirismoy twn metanastwn sth Nomikh . Qewroyme oti h ekbash ws pros to na fygoyn apo th Nomikh htan h kalyterh dynath kai apo ekei kai pera isxyei ayto poy eipame: Qa efarmostoyn oi nomoi. Me ekbiasmoys kai qewrhtikologies, nomimopoihseis den prokeitai na ginoyn kai fysika h qesh ths kybernhshs h opoia qa fanei kai sthn prajh kai fainetai einai oti den prokeitai na ginei kamia mazikh nomimopoihsh. H teleytaia mazikh nomimopoihsh egine epi N.D. opoy nomimopoihqhkan mazika peripoy 150.000

polites kai ekei pragmatika yphrxe qema dhmokratias- kai qa hqela na akoysw thn apoch sas kapote kai gi' ayto k. Xidirogloy. Mazikes nomimopoihseis den ginontai, yparxei ejatomikeymenh diadikasia gia na lyqei ayto to megalo genikotero zhthma, hdh oi epitropes asyloy leitoyrgoyn me poly grhgoroys ryqmoys, exoyn systaqei kai alles epitropes asyloy, etsi wste opoios qelei na ypobalei aithsh gia asylo, na ejetastei h aithsh toy. Opoioy h aithsh ginei dekth, qa ginei h nomimh akoloyqia, alla kai opoios einai ektos diadikasiwn asyloy, epishs kai se ayton qa efarmostoyn oi nomoi.

KOYTRAS: Yparxei kapoio sxedio gia thn antimetwpish twn apergwn sta Mesa Metaforas, giati akoma mia mera - kai fainetai oti olh h ebdomada etsi qa kylhsei - oi polites antimetwpizoyn to problhma.

PETALWTHS: Gia akomh mia mera sas lew oti h kybernhsh exei sxedio, yparxoyn nomoi poy jekaqarizoyn to pedio stis astikes sygkoinwnies. Ginetai mia poly megalh metarryqmistikh tomh. Epiteloys, ejygiainetai o xwros, dhmioyrgeitai enas mhtropolitikos foreas, etsi wste na yparxoyn astikes sygkoinwnies me apolytws diasfalismeno to dhmosio xarakthra, sthn yphresia toy Ellhna polith, xwris kamia allh skech, opws symbainei apo kapoia symferonta h isws apo kapoia kommata. Synepws, qa prepei oloi na synaisqanqoyn thn eyqynh toy na epistrecoyn oi idioi sth doyleia toys, na afhsoyn toys synadelfoys toys na pane sth doyleia toys. Emeis xrhsimopoioyme to dialogo, th diaboyleysh. Hdh einai se ejelijh h koinoboyleytikh diadikasia ws pros to nomo gia tis astikes sygkoinwnies kai exoyme basimes prosdokies oti oi ergazomenoi, oi opoioi fysika qeloyn na proaspisoyn ta symferonta toys, qa epistrecoyn sthn ergasia toys. Ayth thn wra o ypoyrgos Metaforwn k. Reppas kanei sxetikes dhlwseis gia to qema.

MPOTWNHS: Gia tis ejelijeis sthn Aigypto kai me bash tis teleytaies eidhseis, dhladh th dhlwsh Moymparak oti den qa einai ypochfios, exei kapoio sxolio h ellhnikh kybernhsh, oxi san epembash sta eswterika allhs xwras, alla prokeitai gia mia geitonikh xwra, me thn opoia gia para polla xronia exoyme poly kalh sxesh.

PETALWTHS: Den mporoyme na kanoyme kapoio idiaitero sxolio. Ekeino poy exoyme na poyme, einai oti h Dhmokratia kai oi eleyqeries qa prepei na throyntai, na ginontai sebastes se oles tis xwres. Epiqymoyme na yparxei qetikh ekbash pros ofelos toy aigyptiakoy laoy, alla kai ths eirhnhs sthn perioxh. Opws eipate, h Aigyptos einai geitonikh mas xwra, filikh, mas syndeoyn makroxronioi desmoi kai epiqymoyme na breqei tetoia lysh h opoia pragmatika na pragmatwnei kai tis prosdokies toy aigyptiakoy laoy, alla na diasfalizetai kai h eirhnh sthn perioxh.

MARAQIAS: Xqes, sto kanali ``EXTRA'', eblepa mia syzhthsh gia to Batopedi, opoy emfanisthke kai ekane dhlwseis o prwhn ypoyrgos k. Doykas kai anarwthqhke an synexizontai oi pragmatognwmosynes poy eixan anateqei se kapoies etaireies gia to an zhmiwqhke telika to ellhniko Dhmosio apo ayto to skandalo, apo aythn thn ypoqesh. Anarwtiemai kai egw, xwris na ton ekproswpw, an yparxoyn apotelesmata ap` aytes tis ereynes kai an tyxon exoyn stamathsei, meta thn apofash gia paragrafh toy skandaloy.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola na jekaqarisoyme - kai kalo qa einai na labei to mhnyma kai o k. Doykas, o opoios apeilei me mhnyseis kai agwges, pragmatika prokeitai peri qrasoys ayto poy ginetai- to oti paragrafhkan ta poinika adikhmata, den shmainei oti den yphrxe skandalo h oti den mporei na yparjei egersh ajiwsewn gia astikh apokatastash. O k. Doykas htan aytos poy, skandalwdws, edwse entolh na symbibastei to ellhniko Dhmosio me th monh Batopedioy kai na epelqoyn oles oi blaptikes energeies kai diadikasies se baros toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy. Gi` ayto kalo kai syneto qa htan na eimaste pio prosektikoi kai na mhn prokaloyme. To ellhniko Dhmosio safws kai synexizei th diereynhsh ths katastashs, ypo thn ennoia oti safws prospaqei kai epixeirei me oloys toys nomimoys tropoys na apokatastaqei h terastia blabh -opoy yparxoyn polla synqeta nomika zhthmata kai gi` ayto yparxei kai idiaiterh prosoxh- poy ypesth to ellhniko Dhmosio apo to skandalo Batopedioy, opoy gnwrizoyme para poly kala poioi to ypeqalcan, poioi ypegracan kai poioi eginan ekeina ta granazia, etsi wste shmera dhmosia perioysia na brisketai sta xeria idiwtwn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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