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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 1 Febroyarioy 2011

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 1 Febroyarioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Synexizontai me ameiwth entash oi oysiastikoi elegxoi kai oi diastayrwseis stoixeiwn gia to stamathma ths forodiafyghs me oysiastika apotelesmata. Entopisthkan hdh, opws exei anakoinwqei, 2.702 forologoymenoi me synolikes ofeiles 77,5 ekatommyria eyrw, enw hdh exoyn dromologhqei 220 katasxeseis akinhtwn aytwn twn ofeiletwn.

Eimaste apofasismenoi na stamathsoyme epiteloys ayto to fainomeno, poy gia emas apotelei zhthma koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs kai oxi aplws qema sylloghs esodwn. Oi elegktikoi mhxanismoi epanaleitoyrgoyn kai apodeiknyoyn oti einai apodotikoi.

Shmera, jekinaei kai h leitoyrgia toy Eqnikoy Tameioy Epixeirhmatikothtas kai Anaptyjhs, to opoio antikaqista to TEMPME, fernontas pio sygxrona kai epikaira xrhmatodotika ergaleia poy ylopoioyn to diko mas sxedio gia anaptyjh sthn prajh. To ETEAN apotelei mia pragmatikh kainotomia oson afora thn antilhch mas gia toys dhmosioys poroys kai gia th xrhsth dioikhsh toys, alla kai mia tomh se sxesh me tis trapezes. Ejyphretei de, toys tesseris basikoys ajones gia mia ygih anaptyjh, poy einai: H anaqermansh ths oikonomias, mesw ths ayjhshs ths aporrofhtikothtas toy ESPA, h ejwstrefeia twn epixeirhsewn me thn antistoixh ayjhsh twn ejagwgwn. h dhmioyrgia ygioys antagwnistikoy plaisioy kai h kainotomos kai neanikh epixeirhmatikothta.

Kai epeidh orismenoi, opws h N.D., koptontai ocima gia thn anaptyjh, na ypenqymisw gia allh mia fora oti to ESPA, ayto to terastio xrhmatodotiko ergaleio, h N.D. apo to 2007 mexri to 2009 mas to paredwse me aporrofhtikothta 2,9%. Mesa se ena xrono ayjhsame thn aporrofhtikothta se 18% kai fetos, mesa sto 2011, qa ayjhqei h aporrofhtikothta, qa fqasei sto 35%. Ayth einai h diafora logwn kai ergwn me th N.D. Kai malista, na qymisoyme oti h N.D. ypotiqetai oti parelabe th xwra se mia metaolympiakh periodo, poy h anaptyjh ejakoloyqoyse akomh na apodidei toys karpoys twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Kai katrakylhse, malista, epi N.D. -se aythn th metaolympiakh periodo- h antagwnistikothta mas se 35 qeseis pio katw.

H kybernhsh me tis megales allages dhmioyrgei tis baseis ths ygioys kai oxi ths epiplasths anaptyjhs, deixnontas to neo paragwgiko montelo ths xwras kai to poia einai h antilhch mas se ayto to shmantiko zhthma. Kai ta apotelesmata hdh erxontai kai qa erxontai perissotero.

Oso paramenoyme entos stoxwn, oso paramenoyme ajiopistoi, toso qa pianoyn topo oi qysies twn Ellhnwn politwn, toso qa erxontai kala nea. Meiname orqioi ton perasmeno Maio kai katorqwsame na eimaste twra mesa sth synolikh eyrwpaikh syzhthsh. Apo monadiko problhma, giname meros ths synolikhs lyshs. Tipote apolytws den mas xaristhke. Kopiasame kai kopiazoyme. Doylecame kai synexizoyme na doyleyoyme sklhra. Ayto dikaioymaste kai to dikaioyntai oloi oi Ellhnes.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dyo erwthseis: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean sth seira prosqetwn metrwn gia to 2012, poy fainetai oti exei apofasisei to Symboylio Ypoyrgwn Oikonomikwn, einai kai h genikeysh twn epixeirhsiakwn symbasewn poy zhta twra h troika. Kai mia deyterh erwthsh, ean h kybernhsh skeftetai ton ejwdikastiko symbibasmo, oson afora thn istoria ths Siemens, opws exei ginei kai se alles xwres.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, ean anafereste se ena eggrafo poy eide to fws ths dhmosiothtas gia to ECOFIN, na sas anaferw oti ayto aforoyse ton Aygoysto kai den afora kaqoloy ayth thn periodo. Dhladh, oi opoies diapistwseis ginontan, aforoysan mia perasmenh xronikh periodo kai den exei kamia sxesh me th shmerinh. Ayto einai dedomeno. Exoyn allajei oi synqhkes. Emeis kaname poly megala bhmata, ws pros to ti mporoysan na zhthsoyn oi etairoi apo emas, alla kai apo toys stoxoys toys opoioys bazame kai throyme aparegklita. Kai fysika, oi ypoxrewseis ths xwras perilambanontai kai ejantloyntai analytika mesa sto mnhmonio poy exoyme ypogracei. Ara, prosqeta metra, etsi opws fainontai, den yparxoyn kai einai ektos xronoy etsi opws paroysiasthkan. Ara, ayta ta ``10 metra fwtia'', kapws etsi paroysiasthke, den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

Apo ekei kai pera, oi epixeirhsiakes symbaseis einai enas qesmos, o opoios dhmioyrghqhke akribws gia na yparxei mia tetoia eyelijia, oxi gia na xaqoyn ergasiaka dikaiwmata, alla gia na swqoyn qeseis ergasias. Mesa se ayth th dyskolh katastash poy briskomaste, mesa se ayth thn krish, eprepe na yparxoyn kai dynatothtes gia nees morfes ergasias, gia sygkekrimeno xrono kai me sygkekrimeno tropo, etsi wste na mh xanontai perissoteres qeseis ergasias. Kapoioi prospaqoyn mesa sta ideologhmata toys na efeyroyn oti oi epixeirhsiakes symbaseis einai h katalysh twn ergasiakwn dikaiwmatwn. Osoi, omws, to lene as erqoyn na mas apanthsoyn. Kai den einai kaqoloy ekbiastiko ayto poy lew, giati einai h pragmatikothta. Einai nees sxeseis ergasias, me sygkekrimeno tropo, me poly megales asfalistikes dikleides, poy qa efarmozontai mono me symfwnia kai twn ergazomenwn enw synodeyontai kai apo mia seira apo asfalistikes dikleides opoy qa elegxontai aytes oi epixeirhsiakes symbaseis. Ara, oi epixeirhsiakes symbaseis den einai kati to genikeymeno, poy skeftomaste na yparjoyn, alla eprepe na yparxei enas tropos, na yparxoyn tetoies elastikes morfes ergasias, poy na mporoyn na antejoyn kai oi epixeirhseis kai oi ergazomenoi, etsi wste otan bgoyme apo thn krish, na yparxoyn qeseis ergasias. Ayto, omws, ep` oydeni shmainei genikeysh.

Eipate oti h troika to zhtaei. Na sas pw mono - kai to apanthsa kai xqes - oti oi epixeirhsiakes symbaseis exoyn efarmogh molis ena mhna, kai ligotero apo ena mhna an afairesei kaneis tis giortes. Einai apo to telos Dekembrioy. Synepws, yparxei mia megalh pleiada ariqmoy aithsewn apo epixeirhseis, yparxoyn omws, epanalambanw, dikleides. Monomerws kamia epixeirhsh den mporei na epibalei epixeirhsiakes symbaseis. Na doyme - kai elegxetai kai apodeiknyetai sthn prajh pws leitoyrgei ayto to systhma - gia na krinoyme kai thn wfelimothta toy.

Ws pros to qema ths Siemens, ayth th stigmh den milame gia ejwdikastiko symbibasmo. Ayth th stigmh milame gia mia seira apo energeies poy hdh ginontai kai kapoies alles hdh exoyn apofasistei, etsi wste h zhmia toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy apo to skandalo ths Siemens na apokatastaqei. Giati einai logiko oti otan yphrxan mizes, otan h Siemens edine mizes se sygkekrimenoys paragontes ths oikonomikhs kai ths politikhs zwhs, aytes tis mizes tis epibarynotan to ellhniko Dhmosio kai synepws o ellhnikos laos. Akribws aytes tis zhmies, me ena poly synqeto nomiko tropo, eimaste apofasismenoi kai hdh ginontai, hdh proxwroyn oi energeies, etsi wste na tis apaithsei to ellhniko Dhmosio kai na apokatastaqei h zhmia toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaia, yparxoyn ta prostima ta opoia epiballontai logw aqemitoy antagwnismoy, yparxoyn oi organismoi oi opoioi exoyn blafqei apo aytes tis symbaseis kai exoyn metoxo to ellhniko Dhmosio, synepws oi agwges aytes, ap` oso gnwrizw, hdh exoyn jekinhsei. Yparxei kai ena qema ths apokatastashs ths hqikhs blabhs toy Dhmosioy, einai omws poly synqeto nomiko zhthma. Qelw na pw kai na katalhjw, oti ayth th stigmh den yparxei skech gia ejwdikastiko symbibasmo. Qa ginoyn oles oi aparaithtes nomikes energeies kai apo ekei kai pera qa yparxei mia bash ypologismoy ths zhmias. Einai sto xeri kai ths Siemens kai toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy, pleon, na kanei oles tis energeies, etsi wste na apokatastaqei plhrws kai kata megisto tropo h zhmia toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy.

PAPPA: Na epimeinw ligo sto prwto qema, kyrie Ekproswpe. Milate loipon gia thn anagkaiothta eyelijias, oson afora thn agora ergasias, wste na mhn xaqoyn qeseis. Ena qema, bebaia, poy den symmerizontai oi ergazomenoi, poy qewroyn tis allages ws ergasiako mesaiwna. Qa hqela na sas ypenqymisw oti o Prwqypoyrgos k. Papandreoy, proeklogika, para polles fores eixe askhsei kritikh sthn kybernhsh ths N.D., oson afora akribws ayto to qema ths ergasiakhs eyelijias, legontas oti sthn Ellada den qa ginoyme, oyte Boylgaroi, oyte Kinezoi ergates. Twra, den einai arketa oratos aytos o kindynos me ta nea metra kai thn eyelijia poy prowqeitai;

PETALWTHS: Prwta, ap' ola, prin analaboyme thn kybernhsh den eixe ejelixqei h krish thn opoia biwnoyme. Den yphrxe antilhch toy megeqoys, ths tragikothtas ths katastashs thn opoia qa mas klhrodotoyse h N.D. H N.D. eferne kata ena teleiws anarxo kai aprogrammatisto tropo thn taktopoihsh, ypotiqetai, twn ergasiakwn sxesewn, xwris na yparxei logos, xwris na stoxeyei poyqena, xwris sxedio kai xwris kamia apo tis asfalistikes dikleides poy qetoyme emeis. Oi ergasiakes epixeirhsiakes symbaseis tis opoies emeis nomoqethsame, den exoyn kamia sxesh me tis elastikopoihmenes sxeseis ergasias poy qesmoqetoyse h N.D., oi opoies htan monomereis, htan epibolh oysiastika twn epixeirhsewn. Enw edw apaiteitai symfwnh, apo koinoy prosfygh ergazomenwn kai epixeirhshs sthn aithsh na synafqei epixeirhsiakh symbash ergasias, yparxei to Swma Epiqewrhtwn poy elegxei, yparxoyn mia seira apo asfalistikes dikleides poy den yphrxan epi N.D. Kai na jekaqarisw oti prokeitai gia mia katastash h opoia exei na kanei me th diaswsh qesewn ergasias, sthn aixmh ths krishs poy briskomaste. Fysika, ayto poy elege - kai to elege poly swsta - o nyn Prwqypoyrgos k. Papandreoy, paramenei ws antilhch mas: Oti stoxos dikos mas den qa prepei na einai na ginoyme Boylgaria kai Kina - an xrhsimopoioyse aytes tis ekfraseis - qelontas na pei oti den mporoyme na stoxeysoyme antagwnistika se meiwmenoys misqoys, etsi wste na apokthsoyme antagwnistiko pleonekthma se xwres oi opoies exoyn misqoys poly katw apo toys dikoys mas. Emeis den to kanoyme gi' ayto. Emeis to kanoyme mono gia na swqoyn qeseis ergasias kai oxi na apokthsoyme antagwnistiko pleonekthma apenanti se xwres oi opoies oytws h allws exoyn poly xamhloteroys misqoys apo toys dikoys mas kai qa exoyn panta.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h apergiakh anataraxh stis sygkoinwnies, synexizetai kai malista me ameiwto ryqmo. Ayrio ejaggelloyn kai 48wrh apergia. O kosmos talaipwreitai kai taytoxrona exei dhmioyrghqei kai ena kinhma poy exei ginei moda to ``den plhrwnw-den plhrwnw''. Ti qa kanei h kybernhsh gi' ayth thn katastash;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, moy dinete thn eykairia na tonisw oti se sxesh me tis astikes sygkoinwnies ginetai mia poly megalh metarryqmistikh tomh. Den einai aplws kapoia allagh nomoy h kapoia allagh ergasiakwn sxesewn h enos plaisioy. Edw exoyme na kanoyme me astikes sygkoinwnies, oi opoies htan diaskorpismenes se pente foreis. O foreas aytos ginetai enas. O mhtropolitikos foreas twn astikwn sygkoinwniwn ths Attikhs oysiastika me eniaio sxedio, me jekaqares baseis, me nees qeseis kai sxeseis ergasias kai me mia sygxronh etairikh morfh. Den qa mporoysame na epitrecoyme na yparxoyn skorpies epixeirhseis oi opoies kata diasthmata gemizan me ergazomenoys - kai yparxei porisma toy Epiqewrhth Dhmosias Dioikhshs - mesw sygkekrimenwn politikwn ypoyrgikwn grafeiwn, oi opoioi den xreiazontan kai toys opoioys plhrwne kai ejakoloyqei na plhrwnei o ellhnikos laos. Emeis balame kai bazoyme tajh se olo ayto to xaos. Na ypenqymisw oti o nomos hdh brisketai sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs kai twra ayth th stigmh ejelissetai h sxetikh syzhthsh. Apo ton Dekembrio, jekinhsame ena dialogo kai mexri na chfistei o nomos einai anoiktos o dialogos kai h diaboyleysh. Ayto einai to xarakthristiko ths kybernhshs, wste oloi na poyn tis apoceis toys kai kyriws oi ergazomenoi. Eimaste apofasismenoi, omws, kai dhlwsame oti ayth thn anarxia, ayto to xaos poy plhrwnei telika o ellhnikos laos, den qa epitrecoyme na ejelixqei. Eimaste loipon se nea leitoyrgikh arxh, me nees etairikes baseis. Katargoyme olh ayth thn panspermia poy yphrxe kai ejorqologizoyme tis astikes sygkoinwnies se enan eniaio mhtropolitiko forea.

Ws pros to kinhma, to opoio poly eyhxa akoygetai ``den plhrwnw-den plhrwnw'' kai mas parapempei se Ntario Fo kai se aristeres, ypotiqetai kinhseis, ths 10etias toy 1970, den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Einai diaforetiko to ``den plhrwnw-den plhrwnw'' apo to na eimai syneidhta, kata syrroh kai kat' ejakoloyqhsh ``tzampatzhs'', kati poy to diko moy ``den plhrwnw'' to plhrwnei se pollaplasio o ellhnikos laos. As skefqoyme oti kaqe fora poy den plhrwnetai ena eisithrio, ayto katateinei na epibarynei ton kratiko proypologismo, h katateinei na ayjanetai to idio to eisithrio, argotera.

Kai epeidh polla akoygontai ws pros to eisithrio, na ypenqymisw dyo pragmata: Prwton, epidotoymeno eisithrio yparxei mono sthn Aqhna kai sth Qessalonikh. Oles oi alles eparxiakes poleis poy exoyn astikes sygkoinwnies, einai xwris epidotoymeno eisithrio. Kai otan milame gia ayjhsh, mporei sth shmerinh epoxh - kai ayto den to amfisbhtei kaneis - h opoia ayjhsh na epibarynei, pragmatika, toys polites kai malista twn xamhlwn kai mesaiwn strwmatwn, alla otan to eisithrio sthn Aqhna einai 1,20 ¬ gia tis sygkekrimenes diadromes, sas plhroforw oti sthn eparxia to eisithrio ayto to mh epidotoymeno apo ton ellhniko lao einai 1,50 ¬ kai se poly pio mikres diadromes. Ara, edw tiqetai qema koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs. Kai epiteloys, den mporei na plhrwnei olh h Ellada thn epidothsh enos eisithrioy, poy oytws h allws, einai xamhlo se sxesh me thn ypoloiph Ellada. Fysika, ayto to kinhma twn ``tzampatzhdwn'' ep` oydeni qa prepei na to sygxwrhsoyme kai den prepei na taytizomaste me kinhseis toy ``den plhrwnw'' poy syneidhta pleon epibarynoyn kai ton kratiko proypologismo kai teinoyn sthn ayjhsh toy idioy toy eisithrioy. Mporei ayta poy lew na fainontai ligo sklhra, einai omws h pragmatikothta. Mia pragmatikothta poy qa prepei na thn antilhfqoyme oloi mas. Na mhn parasyromaste apo eykola ypotiqetai kinhmatika stoixeia sto na mhn plhrwnoyme. Giati, en telei, pali emeis oi idioi ta plhrwnoyme.

Ws pros thn apergia poy anaferate, oi ergazomenoi qeloyn na katoxyrwnoyn ta dikaiwmata toys. Einai dikaiwma toys. Oi syndikalistes exoyn thn ypoxrewsh na ekfrazoyn tis apaithseis twn idiwn twn ergazomenwn. Alla sth shmerinh fash etsi opws einai h katastash, einai zhthma stoixeiwdoys ypeyqynothtas, kyriws twn ergazomenwn na taytistoyn me thn koinwnikh syneidhsh kai thn koinwnikh dikaiosynh, etsi wste na mhn yparxei kai epibarynsh twn astikwn sygkoinwniwn, pros ton ellhniko lao, alla kai na synainesoyn etsi wste na yparxei mia kalyterh katastash, poy prwta ap` ola, toys idioys toys ergazomenoys qa enisxyei kai qa bohqaei. Kai epeidh yparxei mia apofash dikasthrioy poy exei xarakthrisei kataxrhstikh thn apergia, otan yparxoyn apofaseis dikasthriwn, exoyme ypoxrewsh na tis throyme. Kai fysika, to kratos exei ola ekeina ta ergaleia me ta opoia mporei na epibalei thn thrhsh kai twn dikastikwn apofasewn. Emeis, omws, apodeiknyoyme oti se tetoioy eidoys zhthmata, anoigoyme dialogo oytws wste, problhmata poy aforoyn thn kaqhmerinothta toy Ellhna polith, opws oi sygkoinwnies, na epilyqoyn me ton kalytero tropo. Qeloyme na eimaste peistikoi. Analambanoyme kai enswmatwnoyme opoies protaseis einai qetikes kai ayto to apodeiknyoyme.

SPANOY: Epeidh kinhma koinwnikhs anypakohs ekdhlwqhke kai sthn periptwsh twn diodiwn kai den apokleietai na ekdhlwqei kai se alla metwpa, pera apo ta eisithria, hqela na sas rwthsw, pragmatika pisteyete oti prokeitai aplws gia syneidhtoys kai kata syrroh, opws eipate ``tzampatzhdes''; Dhladh, h analysh sthn kybernhsh ejantleitai se ayto; Den blepete kati baqytero apo pisw; Kati poy exei na kanei kai me thn koinwnikh synoxh, endexomenws;

PETALWTHS: Safws kai h analysh ths kybernhshs den ejantleitai s` ayto. Prwta ap` ola, egw ejantlhsa deka lepta toy na ekfrazw poly akroqigws to ti pisteyei h kybernhsh. Eipa kai epanalambanw oti h kybernhsh einai ayth poy exei kanei th dhmosia diaboyleysh qesmo ths koinwnikhs kai politikhs zwhs. Emeis eimaste aytoi oi opoioi akoyme kai enswmatwnoyme opoiadhpote protash yparxei. Kai monadiko mas krithrio einai to dhmosio symferon kai h koinwnikh dikaiosynh. To qema twn diodiwn einai ena diaforetiko qema kai exoyme pei oti oi symbaseis poy ypografhkan, ypografhkan epi N.D. kai emeis eixame kai exoyme tis antirrhseis mas. Einai, omws, symbaseis poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn ypoxrewsh toy kratoys na threi tis ypoxrewseis toy. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, epejergazomaste ena sxedio, etsi wste ta diodia ta opoia pragmatika polles fores dhmioyrgoyn adikies, ws pros th metakinhsh sygkekrimenwn politwn mas stis eqnikes odoys, na antapokrinontai sto rolo toys, poy shmainei oti qa prepei na einai antistaqmistika diodia gia aytokinhtodromoys oi opoioi einai sygxronoi, einai asfaleis. Kai fysika, den qa prepei na einai ejontwtika diodia. Alla, den mporoyme, ws ellhniko kratos, otan exoyme ypogracei symbaseis, estw kai ws prohgoymenh kybernhsh, na tis kataggeiloyme apeyqeias, giati tote o megalos paranomos qa einai to ellhniko kratos kai ep` oydeni mporei ayto na symbei. Emeis poy eimaste epifortismenoi na throyme thn eynomia, den mporoyme na ginoyme kinhmatikoi apenanti se etaireies me tis opoies exoyme, ws kratos, ypogracei symbaseis. Apo ekei kai pera, epejergazomaste oles ekeines tis lyseis, etsi wste ta diodia na einai pio xamhloy kostoys ap` o,ti einai shmera. Kai fysika, safws kai den exei kinhmatika stoixeia kati tetoio, giati qa prepei na koitazoyme to dhmosio symferon. To na leme ``den plhrwnw'', einai h pio eykolh lysh kai mporei na mas kanei hrwes sta matia kapoiwn allwn. Alla, to diko mas ``den plhrwnw'', epibarynei to ``plhrwnw'' toy syneidhtoy Ellhna polith. Kai epeidh me aera den ginetai antistash, oyte dhmioyrgoyme kinhmata, eimaste edw, qeloyme energoys toys polites, na ypobaloyn tis protaseis toys, na syzhthsoyme, alla sto plaisio ths logikhs kai fysika sto plaisio ths nomimothtas.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Mia dieykrinish qa hqela: Pantws, ws pros ta diodia, gnwrizete oti exoyn paraxwrhqei se idiwtes, den einai dhmosioy symferontos. Pera apo tis ayjhseis, h syntriptikh pleiochfia twn diodiwn anhkei se idiwtikes etaireies.

PETALWTHS: Me aytes tis idiwtikes etaireies exei symblhqei to ellhniko Dhmosio. Aytes oi idiwtikes etaireies exoyn symbalei energa sthn kataskeyh twn aytokinhtodromwn kai yparxoyn dhmosies symbaseis. Emeis qa poyme twra ti; Oti tis kataggelloyme; Gia na poyme ti; Gia na plhrwsoyme toys aytokinhtodromoys, ta xrhmata poy edwsan gia thn kataskeyh, me th logikh oti einai akriba ta diodia; Yparxei symbash toy ellhnikoy kratoys me sygkekrimenes etaireies. Emeis, anejarthta apo to ti pisteyoyme - kai pisteyoyme oti oi symbaseis aytes den eginan me ton swsto tropo apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh - eimaste ypoxrewmenoi na tis akoloyqhsoyme. Ayth einai h nomimothta. Ayto einai to dhmosio symferon. Kai fysika, ayto poy mporoyme na kanoyme kai to kanoyme, einai na ejetazoyme oloys toys tropoys etsi wste na yparxei elafrynsh twn diodiwn, xwris omws na eimaste paranomoi ws kratos.

SABBOPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti to kratos exei ta ergaleia na epibalei tis apofaseis poy exoyn lhfqei. Poia einai ayta ta ergaleia; Pote qa ta epibalei; Ayth th stigmh yparxei mia dedomenh katastash oti exei kriqei mia apergia paranomh kai kataxrhstikh, oi ergazomenoi den doyleyoyn, o kosmos talaipwreitai kai en pash periptwsei poia einai ayta ta ergaleia kai pote qa ta doyme; Pote qa ta doyn oi polites, basika; To metro ths epitajhs ejakoloyqei na menei gia sas sto makrino mellon;

PETALWTHS: 'Exete dikio. H katastash einai opws thn perigrafete. Dhladh, ena meros twn ergazomenwn stis sygkoinwnies apergei kai oi sygkoinwnies einai kleistes. Yparxei dikastikh apofash, gi' ayto kaloyme toys ergazomenoys na deijoyn ypeyqynothta. H epitajh einai ena ergaleio, alla einai to esxato ergaleio. Qa prepei na laboyme yp' och oti ayth th stigmh ginetai syzhthsh sth Boylh, opoy symmetexoyn kai oi ergazomenoi me ta swmateia toys. Synepws, ayto poy isxyei einai ayto poy eipa, oti dhladh yparxei dikastikh apofash kai qa prepei oi ergazomenoi na gyrisoyn sth doyleia toys. Teleiws anaitia arnoyntai na prosferoyn tis yphresies toys kai malista otan den symmorfwnontai me dikastikh apofash, h dioikhsh twn epimeroys forewn twn astikwn sygkoinwniwn diaqetei ola ta ergaleia kai ta stoixeia twn ergazomenwn poy den ergazontai. Kata synepeia, yparxei ajiologhsh, ektimhsh, alla yparxoyn kai isorropies poy prepei na krathqoyn, etsi wste oi ergazomenoi na epistrecoyn sthn ergasia toys, gia na stamathsei epiteloys ayth h megisth talaipwria toy koinoy ths Aqhnas me thn apergia poy synexizetai kai h opoia kata thn apoch mas, alla kai kata thn apofash toy Dikasthrioy den exei kanena logo na ginetai.

SABBOPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ara oysiastika epibebaiwnete ta osa kathggeile o syndikalisths twn ergazomenwn sto METRO sth Boylh, oti oysiastika dexontai apeiles pws an aperghsoyn, qa apolyqoyn.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, den yparxei tetoia apeilh. To na apergei kapoios otan h apergia toy exei kriqei paranomh kai kataxrhstikh, einai san na ``sfyrizei adiafora''. Ayto einai dedomeno. Yparxei kratos, yparxoyn nomoi, yparxoyn Dikasthria, yparxei ena dhmosio kai koinwniko symferon. Kai gia ta syntexniaka mas symferonta, den mporoyme na mhn logariazoyme oyte nomoys, alla kyriws na mhn logariazoyme kai toys sympolites mas, oi opoioi talaipwroyntai. Einai jekaqaro oti yparxoyn apofaseis, yparxoyn nomoi, oi opoioi epiballontai kai fysika yparxoyn kai ta ergaleia gia na toys epibaloyn. Ean, twra, thn epibolh toy nomoy kapoios thn qewrei ws apeilh, ayto einai diko toy qema

LASKARATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, nomoi yparxoyn. Lewforeia kai trena den yparxoyn kai oi polites anarwtioyntai ti qa ginei, pote qa breqei lysh, wste na pane stis doyleies toys me ta akribotera pia eisithria.

PETALWTHS: Kyrie Laskarate, nomizw pws den hsastan edw, to erwthma sas exei teqei apo synadelfo sas kai exw apanthsei analytikotata.

TSAKIRHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Eipate oti ginetai ayth th stigmh dialogos akoma kai oti einai anoiktos o dialogos mexri thn teleytaia stigmh. Pws mporeite kai synexizete ton dialogo me anqrwpoys oi opoioi kleinoyn ta mesa metaforas, thn wra poy ypotiqetai oti syzhtoyn mazi sas; Kai ws pote qa to kanete epiteloys ayto;

PETALWTHS: Den apanthsa prohgoymenws;

TSAKIRHS: Oxi. Oi anoxes toy kosmoy einai poly liges.

PETALWTHS: Loipon, na dwsw ek neoy mia poly synoptikh apanthsh, giati analytika exw hdh apanthsei. Yparxei ena qema eyqynhs. Eyqynhs twn ergazomenwn kai kyriws ths syndikalistikhs hgesias twn ergazomenwn. Eyqynhs kai koinwnikhs kai nomikhs. Osoi apergoyn, enw h apergia toys exei xarakthrisqei paranomh kai kataxrhstikh, einai paranomoi. Oi dioikhseis exoyn sta xeria toys ta ergaleia, to kratos exei ta ergaleia. Kai to kratos exei thn ypoxrewsh na prostateysei to dikaiwma twn ergazomenwn, twn sympolitwn mas na kinoyntai me tis astikes sygkoinwnies. Omws, apo ekei kai pera, ta pragmata den einai ``aspro-mayro'' oyte patame koympia gia na ginetai otidhpote qeloyme na ginei. Apo th stigmh poy akomh kai twra sth Boylh syzhteitai to sygkekrimeno nomosxedio, yparxei periqwrio kai gia toys ergazomenoys na epistrecoyn sth doyleia toys. Kai h Boylh fysika - ayto einai safestato - qa chfisei to nomo poy exei erqei, me beltiwseis h protaseis poy tyxon yparxoyn. Kai fysika aytos o nomos qa efarmosqei apo to kratos, th stigmh malista poy prokeitai gia ena nomo o opoios bazei telos s' ayth thn anarxia, thn panspermia, thn atajia, thn terastia spatalh kai anapotelesmatikothta twn astikwn sygkoinwniwn mexri shmera.

TSAKIRHS: Egw den mporw na katalabw to ejhs: Apergoysan prin kataqesete to nomosxedio, apergoyn kata th diarkeia poy syzhtate to nomosxedio. Eseis - egw den lew gia toys ergazomenoys, oi ergazomenoi kanoyn ayto poy nomizoyn - pote qa efarmosete ton nomo; Milame gia to dhmosio symferon.

PETALWTHS: O nomos efarmozetai hdh kai eimaste h monh kybernhsh twn teleytaiwn xronwn, poy kai to dhmosio symferon qerapeyei kai tetoies metarryqmistikes domes ylopoiei, oi opoies pragmatika ejyphretoyn ayton ton ycisto stoxo poy den einai allos apo to dhmosio symferon. Epanalambanw oti ergaleia yparxoyn, yparxoyn omws kai isorropies. Emeis leitoyrgoyme me bash sygkekrimeno sxedio kai oxi me to qymiko kapoiwn oi opoioi nomizoyn oti ``patas to koympi kai erxontai lyseis''.

Sas eyxaristw.

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