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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 7 Febroyarioy 2011

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 7 Febroyarioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Perysi tetoia epoxh epikratoyse h abebaiothta gia to mellon ths xwras kai to an qa katafername na apofygoyme th xreokopia. Kataferame, me tis entones prospaqeies ths kybernhshs, toys agwnes kai tis qysies toy Ellhna polith, na staqoyme orqioi. Na baloyme ta dhmosionomika mas se mia seira. Na epanakthsoyme th xamenh mas ajiopistia kai na kerdisoyme ton aparaithto xrono gia na prowqhsoyme tis allages poy exei anagkh h xwra. Allages opws o ``Kallikraths'', to asfalistiko, to forologiko kai oi megales allages poy kanoyme twra sthn ygeia.

Mpainoyme pleon sth fash ths ylopoihshs twn megalwn diarqrwtikwn allagwn, gia tis opoies exoyme desmeytei apenanti stoys polites kai oi opoies qa allajoyn oristika to proswpo ths xwras, alla kai thn kaqhmerinothta mas. Allages poy emeis entajame sto programma mas, xwris na mas tis epibalei kanenas ejwgenhs paragontas. Allages poy oxi mono fernoyn th xwra ena bhma pio konta se ena kalytero mellon, alla poy amesa shmera anakoyfizoyn toys polites, antimetwpizontas xronia zhthmata poy prokaloysan thn talaipwria olwn.

Mexri shmera peripoy 7.000 giatroi ejyphretoysan 5.5 ekatommyria asfalismenoys toy IKA. Apo shmera, me to neo kaqestws, panw apo 35.000 giatroi qa mporoyn na ejyphrethsoyn toys asfalismenoys. Emeis pentaplasiazoyme ton ariqmo twn diaqesimwn giatrwn, bazontas telos stis oyres talaipwrias toy IKA kai stis polymhnes anamones gia ena ranteboy, opws gnwrizoyn oloi oi polites.

Pragmatopoioyme etsi th desmeysh mas gia prwtobaqmia periqalch twn asfalismenwn. Epipleon, epiferoyme akomh ena kairio xtyphma sthn ypersyntagografhsh, poy gnwrizoyme para poly kala poso terasties dapanes exei prokalesei, tis opoies plhrwnei amesa o Ellhnas poliths. Ayth apotelei mia kinhsh poy beltiwnei shmantika thn kaqhmerinothta twn politwn, alla kai telika thn poiothta ths zwhs mas.

Einai aporias ajio to giati h N.D. kai fysika kai alles dynameis, me to prosxhma ths dhqen  proxeirothtas , aporriptei kai ayth th megalh allagh, les kai ekane kapoia allagh mexri twra h idia. Prokalei de erwthmata se ti aposkopei ayth h arnhsh ths kai ti akribws, symferonta ejyphretei. Kai edw pragmatika perimenoyme apanthseis.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge mias poy anaferomaste ston tomea ths ygeias, blepoyme oysiastika, na prospaqei na sygkrothqei ena metwpo sto xwro ths ygeias, kata aytwn twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn. Kai epishs, qa hqela, me thn apanthsh sas na kalycete kai to ejhs: Epeidh yparxei ayth h ``mayrh trypa'' sto xwro ths ygeias, h k. Mpakogiannh eixe kanei mia protash gia Ejetastikh sto xwro ayto. Ti lete ep` aytoy, eseis ws kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, h k. Mpakogiannh zhta Ejetastikh Epitroph gia thn ygeia. Se ayto qa apanthsei o k. Loberdos. Ekeino to opoio exoyme na poyme shmera, einai oti apenanti sta megala problhmata ths ygeias, monon adraneis den mporei na pei kaneis oti meiname, ws kybernhsh. Emeis eimaste aytoi poy erxomaste kai kanoyme tis megales tomes kai sto xwro ths ygeias, oi opoies exoyn amesh sxesh me thn poiothta ths zwhs toy Ellhna polith. Dhmioyrgoyme ena megalo forea prwtobaqmias periqalchs, o opoios qa einai akribws dipla ston polith.

Oson afora sthn protash gia thn Ejetastikh, to na prospaqoyme na kalycoyme kaqe ``mayrh trypa'' h kaqe paqogeneia ths oikonomikhs katastashs ths xwras me Ejetastikes, safws kai den bohqa. Apo th stigmh poy mporoyme na paroyme metra, ayta ta pairnoyme. Na ypenqymisw oti oson afora sth meiwsh ths dapanhs gia ta ylika, ayth einai panw apo 70%. O armodios ypoyrgos Ygeias k. Loberdos exei pei xarakthristika oti h kybernhsh kai pali den einai ikanopoihmenh kai prospaqoyme na meiwsoyme akomh perissotero aytes tis dapanes tis opoies xrysoplhrwne o ellhnikos laos mexri twra. Apo ekei kai pera, prospaqoyme kai peristelloyme ayto to orio spatalhs poy yphrxe sthn periqalch, fernontas qesmoys, opws thn hlektronikh syntagografhsh, poy hdh fernei sygkekrimena apotelesmata se terasties meiwseis dapanwn. Proxwrhsame se orizonties meiwseis stis times twn farmakwn, wste na einai pio fqhna gia toys asqeneis, alla kai gia ta asfalistika tameia. Proxwroyme sth mhxanografhsh twn nosokomeiwn, wste na elegxetai kai h paramikrh dapanh poy ginetai.

Epanalambanoyme, omws, oti yparxoyn akomh poly megala periqwria. Kai ayto to parti, ayto to panhgyri me tis terasties spatales sto xwro ths ygeias, poy fysika den apedidan kai den eixan antikrisma sthn paroxh yphresiwn ygeias pros ton polith, exei stamathsei. Kai opoy yparxei akomh - giati to zhthma einai poly megalo, fysika kai qa htan afelhs an kapoios elege oti to lysame - kai opoy mporoyme kai opoy entopizoyme, dhmioyrgoyme qesmoys, etsi wste pragmatika na stamathsei.

Me thn eykairia ths erwthshs sas, qa hqela na anaferqw s` ayto to poly megalo zhthma ths prwtobaqmias periqalchs, thn opoia qesmoqetei, fernei h kybernhsh pros chfish thn Tetarth sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs. Ekei pragmatika qa prepei na topoqethqoyme oloi mas. Poioi qeloyme kai poioi den qeloyme prwtobaqmia periqalch. H prwtobaqmia periqalch einai ayth poy exei na kanei amesa me ton aplo polith poy zhtaei thn prwth paroxh yphresiwn ygeias apo to giatro poy syntagografei kai afora kyriws ta adynata kai mesaia strwmata ths koinwnias. Alla, epeidh prokeitai kai gia qemata ygeias, oloi mas, opoy kai na briskomaste, opoia oikonomikh katastash kai na exoyme, h prwtobaqmia periqalch einai, pragmatika, ayth sthn opoia prostrexoyme gia ta kaqhmerina zhthmata ygeias. Kai ekei kanoyme mia istorikh tomh, poy ginetai apo ta ypoyrgeia Ygeias kai Koinwnikhs Allhleggyhs, alla kai Ergasias kai Koinwnikhs Asfalishs. Kai ayth h istorikh tomh qa prepei na petyxei kai na antilhfqoyn oloi to megeqos ths eyqynhs toys.

PAPPA: Pera apo to apergiako metwpo twn giatrwn, exoyme toys ergazomenoys sta Mazika Mesa Metaforas, toys farmakopoioys kai alloys kladoys. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, den anhsyxei thn kybernhsh mhpws ayto to ergasiako metwpo apokthsei koino bhmatismo. Kai to deytero poy qa hqela na rwthsw einai, pws krinete to gegonos oti o proedros toy SYRIZA k. Tsipras katebhke sta diodia na symbalei empraktws sto kinhma ``den plhrwnw, den plhrwnw''.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti kanoyme poly megales istorikes allages, shmantikotates tomes sthn oikonomia kai sth dhmosia zwh. Synepws qa yparxoyn kai antidraseis. To qema einai oti oi antidraseis aytes proerxontai apo anqrwpoys oi opoioi profanws, qeloyn na meinoyn ta pragmata, opws exoyn. Emeis lambanoyme tis apofaseis mas. Exoyme ayth thn entolh apo ton ellhniko lao. Ayth einai h epilogh mas: Na sygkroystoyme me tis paqogeneies toy parelqontos, poy kratoysan th dhmosia zwh, thn oikonomia, thn ygeia, stasimh. Eimaste apofasismenoi kai to kanoyme. Oson afora stis epimeroys apergiakes kinhtopoihseis, exoyme apanthseis se sygkekrimena zhthmata. Kai oi apanthseis den einai aoristes, alla einai sygkekrimenes, me nomosxedia ta opoia fernoyme, kai me tis megales allages poy kanoyme stis astikes sygkoinwnies. To exw pei kai to epanalambanw: Ekei poy yphrxan pente foreis, me terastia spatalh poy thn plhrwne kai thn plhrwnei akomh o Ellhnas poliths kai paroxes yphresias oi opoies den antistoixoyn se mia sygxronh kai me poly megales anagkes polh, opws einai h Aqhna kai genikotera h Attikh, dhmioyrgoyme enan mhtropolitiko forea astikwn sygkoinwniwn. Emeis diasfalizoyme to dhmosio xarakthra twn astikwn sygkoinwniwn, etsi wste me plhrh syntonismo kai plhrh ryqmish ths olhs katastashs me ton pio fqhno tropo kai gia to ellhniko Dhmosio, alla kai gia ton polith, na parexontai oi kalyteres dynates yphresies apo tis astikes sygkoinwnies. Osoi antidroyn, qa prepei na mas poyn kai ti proteinan kai ti proteinoyn. Aporriptoyme th stasimothta. Eimaste apofasismenoi kai erxomaste se rhjh, mesa apo tomes.

Oson afora sto xwro ths ygeias, gnwrizoyme poly kala oloi, oti pera apo tis terasties dapanes kai spatales, o xwros ths ygeias den apedide oso eprepe kai oso exei anagkh h ellhnikh koinwnia. Kanoyme tomes, gi` ayto qa prepei oloi na topoqethqoyn kai na ekfrasoyn thn apoch toys kai thn protash toys kai kyriws aytoi poy apergoyn, ti diaforetiko qa hqelan na kanoyme ap` ayto poy kanoyme. Emeis perimenoyme, alla eimaste apofasismenoi na proxwrhsoyme stis poly megales apofaseis gia allages. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti ayto poy kanoyme, to kanoyme me enan gnwmona kai monon: Thn prostasia toy dhmosioy symferontos kai thn ejyphrethsh toy polith. Kai s` ayto eimaste anypoxwrhtoi. Syzhtame ola ta epimeroys, otan yparxoyn, omws, sobares, tekmhriwmenes protaseis eite einai apo koinwnikoys foreis, eite einai apo tis epaggelmatikes omades poy nomizoyn oti qigontai h eite qigontai apo tis politikes dynameis.

Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, gia to qema twn diodiwn, to exoyme anaferei polles fores. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti sto qema twn diodiwn yparxei problhma. Gnwrizoyme oti plhrwnontai diodia se dromoys - oxi fysika se oles tis periptwseis - oi opoioi den exoyn kataskeyastei. Yparxei desmeysh ths kybernhshs oti oi symbaseis paraxwrhshs toy 2007, poy eginan apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh, qa metarryqmistoyn se opoio nomiko plaisio mas epitrepei na to kanoyme. Hdh o k. Magkriwths milhse gia poly megales meiwseis twn diodiwn, mesa apo epanadiapragmateysh. Apo ekei kai pera, gnwrizoyme poly kala to problhma poy yparxei. Alla to problhma den lynetai, oyte apo tis magkies toy kaqenos mas kai fysika, oyte otan aytes oi magkies periballontai, ypotiqetai, me enan ideologiko mandya. O k. Tsipras, kai opoia politikh dynamh pragmatika kalyptei osoys den plhrwnoyn gia na thn plhrwnoyn oi synanqrwpoi toys, qa prepei na analaboyn kai tis eyqynes toys.

NEDOS: O k. Pagkalos sth synenteyjh toy shmera, leei oti diafwnei me to paketo antagwnistikothtas, an exw katalabei kala, twn protasewn ths k. Merkel. H qesh ths kybernhshs poia einai apenanti se oses protaseis exoyn akoystei mexri stigmhs;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na ejhghsw oti sth Synodo Koryfhs egine mia arxh. H epejergasia olwn twn protasewn, etsi wste na mporesoyme na fqasoyme se ena synoliko kai syllogiko paketo, qa ginetai apo edw kai pera mexri thn epomenh Synodo Koryfhs kai me apokoryfwma, elpizoyme, th Synodo Koryfhs stis 25 Martioy. Giati yparxei megalh piqanothta na ginei kai endiamesa mia ektakth Synodos. Apo ekei kai pera, qa prepei na doyme oles tis protaseis. Emeis symbalame kai symbaloyme kai me tis apoceis mas, alla kai me thn empeiria poy dystyxws prwtoi apokthsame apo thn antimetwpish ths krishs. Briskomaste shmera se ena epipedo poy eimaste oi pleon ajiopistoi isws synomilhtes twn Eyrwpaiwn etairwn mas, giati apodeijame kai apodeiknyoyme kaqe stigmh, oti exoyme protaseis, oti diaqetoyme sobarothta, oti diaqetoyme idiaitero aisqhma eyqynhs apenanti stoys polites mas, alla kai pros thn eyrwpaikh oloklhrwsh. Synepws, yparxei xronos kai tropos na symbaloyme oloi, etsi wste na yparxei mia protash poy qa qwrakizei syllogika thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, alla kai tis epimeroys xwres-melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, apenanti sthn krish. Qa antimetwpizei fainomena, opws ayta poy anagkasthkame na antimetwpisoyme me to diko mas kai mono agwna, ws xwra, mesa apo thn enisxysh toy eyrwpaikoy mhxanismoy sthrijhs, th monimopoihsh toy kai fysika oloys toys qesmoys poy qa symbaloyn sthn apoklimakwsh kai sto jeperasma ths krishs. Ara, exoyme akomh poly dromo mprosta mas, se poly syntomo xroniko diasthma, alla diaqetoyme kai mia sympyknwmenh empeiria, me thn opoia emeis symbaloyme se oles tis syzhthseis poy ginontai sthn E.E. Gia na apanthsoyme qa prepei na yparxei kai protash. Ayth h protash, fysika, akomh den exei morfopoihqei, etsi wste na yparxoyn kai analoges apanthseis.

BITALHS: An katalaba kala, apo th synenteyjh poy anaferqhke o synadelfos, o k. Antiproedros diafwnei kai sto qema ths syntagmatikhs ryqmishs, to opoio fainetai oti yparxei ws idea kai katateqhke apo thn ka Merkel kai ton k. Sarkozy. Ep' aytoy toy zhthmatos yparxei, ayth th stigmh, mia epejergasmenh protash ellhnikh poy leme pros toys etairoys ``koitajte, emeis leme ayto h ayto gia to qema toy Syntagmatos;''.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, h Synodos Koryfhs teleiwse thn Paraskeyh. Synepws den exoyn akomh jekinhsei oi epejergasies twn protasewn. Fysika, den mporoyme na poyme twra tis apoceis mas, dyo-treis hmeres meta th Synodo Koryfhs, otan ypoleipetai polys kai sympyknwmenos politika xronos, wste na morfopoihsoyme kai na proteinoyme ayta poy pisteyoyme. Oti qa prepei na yparjoyn desmeyseis apo oloys mas -ki emeis desmeyomaste, oytws h allws exoyme desmeytei gia dhmosionomikh isorropia- ayto einai sigoyro. Apo ekei kai pera, to zhtoymeno einai, to pws qa morfopoihqei ayth h katoxyrwsh ths dhmosionomikhs isorropias. Einai mia syzhthsh sthn opoia, fysika, emeis den mpainoyme akomh, giati den yparxei sygkekrimenh protash. Ekeino, omws, to opoio qa prepei na tonisoyme ek neoy kai gia na mhn apomonwnetai tipote apo osa legei o Antiproedros h opoiosdhpote apo mas, einai oti emeis ayth th dhmosionomikh isorropia, ws xwra, thn exoyme katorqwsei. Periorisame ta elleimmata me apisteytoys ryqmoys se poly megalo posostiaio ariqmo, kaqws kai se poly syntomo xroniko diasthma. Kanoyme sygxronws tis megales allages. Ayto einai to shmantiko. Ayto einai poy prosferoyme mesa apo tis protaseis mas kai pros thn Eyrwpaikh 'Enwsh. Oi syzhthseis poy ginontai, protoy doyme tis protaseis, einai qewrhtikes syzhthseis. Pantws, na eiste sigoyroi - ki ayto to apodeiknyei h empeiria- oti oi dikes mas protaseis qa einai protaseis sobarothtas kai eyqynhs. Allwste, exoyme hdh symbalei kata poly sto na yparxei mia tetoia kateyqynsh se olh thn Eyrwpaikh 'Enwsh.

SPANOY: Epeidh, omws, o Prwqypoyrgos, thn Paraskeyh to brady, eipe oti h xwra mas exei kanei ta perissotera ap' ayta poy proteinontai h en pash periptwsei exei desmeyqei na ta kanei, enw oi protaseis poy exoyn dei to fws ths dhmosiothtas, diastayrwmena apo para polles xwres, einai syntajh sta 67 gia paradeigma, to opoio emeis den exoyme, giati den lete eyqews oti symfwneite me to symfwno antagwnistikothtas;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, qa hqela na to dw ayto to symfwno antagwnistikothtas. Kai ayto eipa prohgoymenws.

SPANOY: Sto "Spiegel" apo thn prohgoymenh ebdomada. Mporeite na to deite.

PETALWTHS: Emeis den exoyme na kanoyme me to "Spiegel" . H dikh sas doyleia kai olwn mas, ws anagnwstwn h ws dhmosiografwn dikh sas, einai pragmatika na diabazete o,ti dhmosieyetai. Emeis eimaste ypeyqynoi, kyria Spanoy. Emeis eimaste poy briskomaste se diapragmateyseis, poy symballoyme stis protaseis kai gnwrizoyme para poly kala ti yparxei kai ti den yparxei. Kai sas enhmerwnw oti qa akoystoyn oles oi protaseis olwn twn xwrwn. Tipota den einai toso aplo kai toso aploysteymeno opws yperaploysteytika paroysiazetai. Gi' ayto kai anaferqhka prohgoymenws sthn erwthsh toy synadelfoy sas, opws apantw kai sth dikh sas erwthsh, oti dhladh h ypeyqynothta einai poly shmantiko stoixeio, to opoio ayth h kybernhsh, me th drash ths, to diasfalizei.

BLABIANOS: Mia poy anaferqhke to "Spiegel" , yphrje reportaz toy periodikoy aytoy gia promhqeia - an den kanw laqos- 55 ekatommyriwn eyrw gia thn agora 4 ypobryxiwn. 'Exoyme kapoio sxolio;

PETALWTHS: Gia thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, gia thn xwra mas genikotera, einai ena zhthma to opoio einai poly shmantiko, fysika, giati exei na kanei me xrhmata ta opoia einai ``mayra''. 'Hdh, omws, ayth h ypoqesh diereynatai apo th Dikaiosynh, apo to SDOE poy kanei mia poly shmantikh doyleia se baqos kai apo to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs 'Amynas se synergasia me to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn. Fysika, oles aytes oi energeies exoyn na kanoyn me enan kai mono stoxo: thn proaspish toy eqnikoy kai dhmosioy symferontos. Eimaste sth grammh ayth poy pisteyoyme oti den qa meinei tipota, oso perna apo to xeri mas, poy na mhn apokalyfqei. Kai fysika, otan prokeitai gia xrhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy, ekei pragmatika, diasfalizoyme oti h alhqeia qa anadeixqei.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: 'Hqela na sas rwthsw, epeidh pragmatopoieitai mia syskech gia th metanasteytikh politikh ypo ton Prwqypoyrgo, ean exei allajei se kati h qesh ths kybernhshs apenanti stoys 300 metanastes poy pragmatopoioyn apergia peinas kai ean eystaqoyn oi plhrofories poy diabazoyme oti anazhteitai formoyla gia eidikh ryqmish gia osoys metanastes plhroysan krithria nomimothtas, alla logw krishs den mporoyn na sygkentrwsoyn ta aparaithta enshma gia na ananewsoyn thn adeia paramonhs.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, h syskech ayth synexizetai akomh kai twra. Ekeino to opoio mporw na sas diabebaiwsw einai oti isxyei h qesh mas pws den prokeitai na ginei kamia omadikh h eidikh nomimopoihsh, xwris na plhroyntai oi proypoqeseis toy nomoy. Ayto einai jekaqaro kai den prokeitai na kanoyme pisw, giati kamia energeia kai kamia prajh den mporei na ekbiasei kai na anatrecei th nomimothta stis draseis ths ellhnikhs Politeias. 'O,ti allo zhthma yparxei, safws kai ejetazetai, xwris omws na yparxei kati sygkekrimeno kai fysika me gnwmona to dhmosio symferon, etsi wste kai th nomimothta na diasfalisoyme, thn opoia ep' oydeni logw qa dexqoyme na katalyqei.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, par' oti epaneilhmmena h kybernhsh exei diaceysei oti den yparxei qema 13oy kai 14oy misqoy, ta dhmosieymata epanerxontai. Mporeite eseis ws kybernhsh kai eida malista oti kai h N.D. sas kalei na desmeyqeite oti den qa yparjei katarghsh toy 13oy kai 14oy misqoy ston idiwtiko tomea.

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw ean ennoeite th deyterh epanalambanomenh anakoinwsh ths N.D. gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Giati to eidame kai ayto, h anakoinwsh poy ekdoqhke xqes na janabgainei idia kai shmera. H N.D. kala qa kanei na dei ti akribws ekane ws kybernhsh, poso proaspise kai katoxyrwse aytoys toys misqoys gia toys opoioys shmera erxetai kai koptetai kai poso khnsores hqikhs exoyn ginei shmera kapoioi apo th N.D. Apo ekei kai pera exei teqei jekaqara oti tetoio qema diapragmateyshs, dhladh gia thn perikoph toy 13oy kai 14oy misqoy ston idiwtiko tomea, den mphke pote, den to epitrecame emeis na mpei. Katoxyrwnoyme to eisodhma twn Ellhnwn politwn, opoy mporoyme kai oso mporoyme kai malista ston idiwtiko tomea opoy to eisodhma einai kai pio xamhlo kai pio aprostateyto, se sxesh me ton dhmosio tomea. Ayto gia ton 13o kai 14o misqo to akoyme edw kai 15 mhnes kai fysika, opws antilambanomaste oloi, den yparxei perikoph 13oy kai 14oy misqoy. Kai to idio isxyei apo edw kai pera.

BLABIANOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh qewrei politika deontologiko, nomikoi synergates yfypoyrgoy na strefontai kata toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy, ws synhgoroi kataskeyastwn.

PETALWTHS: Profanws anaferesqe sto qema toy k. Roblia. Den nomizw oti prokeitai gia nomikoys synergates. Prokeitai gia ena dikhgoriko grafeio. O k. Roblias exei apanthsei ep' aytoy ektenws. Kai h apanthsh toy anaferetai se ola osa dhmosieyqhkan kai fysika h kybernhsh kalyptetai apo thn apanthsh ayth. Na pw omws kai kati allo: Den mporoyme na poinikopoihsoyme oloys osoi doylecan, protoy asxolhqoyn me thn politikh. Den mporoyme na poinikopoioyme syggenikes sxeseis, ektos fysika an yparxoyn apodeiktika stoixeia. Gia ton k. Roblia, den apodeixqhke kati tetoio.

SABBOPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me aformh ta osa eipate gia th N.D., gia na epanelqw sto qema ths apergias twn giatrwn, pisteyete oti aytes oi apergies einai politika ypokinoymenes;

PETALWTHS: Den qa pw egw apo poion ypokinoyntai aytes oi apergies. Prwta ap' ola, qa prepei na doyme kai ta pososta symmetoxhs s' aytes tis apergies, eidika stoys nosokomeiakoys giatroys, poy einai xamhlotata. Apo ekei kai pera, osoi symmetexoyn s' aytes tis apergies, se opoiadhpote apergia, exoyn to baros ths eyqynhs to ti prosferoyn sthn ellhnikh Politeia, ston 'Ellhna polith. 'Omws oi politikes dynameis qa prepei pragmatika na topoqethqoyn gia to poies einai oi qeseis toys akribws s' ayta ta zhthmata gia ta opoia ginontai apergies. Gi' ayto akribws eipa oti kapoioi endiaferontai na yparxei ayth h stasimothta dhladh, poy yphrxe mexri twra. Endiaferontai na yparxei adraneia. Kai h N.D. ston xwro ths Ygeias exei apodeijei oti endiaferetai pragmatika na mhn yparxei ena dhmosio systhma ygeias gia thn paroxh prwtobaqmias periqalchs gia na yparxei, fysika, mia ejodos toy kosmoy, toy aploy polith se idiwtika symferonta. H N.D. kai osoi sthrizoyn tis apergiakes kinhtopoihseis, qa prepei na mas poyn tis qeseis toys.

SABBOPOYLOY: O Prwqypoyrgos eixe enhmerwsei toys Eyrwpaioys etairoys toy gia to tajidi sto Kairo, gia thn proqesh toy na paei;

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws. Kai to eipe kai sthn enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn thn hmera ths Synodoy Koryfhs.

SABBOPOYLOY: Qa mas ejhghsete telika giati den phge;

PETALWTHS: Yphrxe anakoinwsh. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti sthn Aigypto h katastash einai idiaitera eyaisqhth. Yparxoyn qemata asfaleias. To tajidi anablhqhke, den mataiwqhke. Kai fysika einai gnwsto to endiaferon ths xwras mas gia to ti ginetai sth geitonia mas, dedomenhs malista kai ths dieqnoys proswpikothtas toy 'Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy, poy qa epetrepe kai pantote qa epitrepei na yparxei enas rolos ths xwras mas, poy na diasfalizei thn ejodo apo thn krish opoy kai opote xreiazetai.

PAPPA: Yparxei kati newtero ep' aytoy; Dhladh, qa paei mesa sthn ebdomada;

PETALWTHS: Ayth th stigmh, den yparxei kati newtero. Einai qema pros parakoloyqhsh kai fysika ejartatai apo tis ejelijeis sthn Aigypto oi opoies einai oxi monon kaqhmerines, alla kai wriaies.

Sas eyxaristw.

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