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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 29 Noembrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 302261874

Ekdosh 1

BRIEFING(291110)

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 29 Noembrioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri kai kalh ebdomada.

Edw kai ena xrono exoyme xarajei mia sygkekrimenh poreia ejodoy ths xwras apo thn krish. Parallhla, dromologoyme tis megales allages poy einai aparaithtes gia th xwra.

Aparaithtes gia thn apeleyqerwsh ths apo streblwseis toy parelqontos, apo paqogeneies dekaetiwn kai apo megala elleimmata.

Kleisame etsi mia dyskolh xronia gia oloys, alla synama xronia poy eqese tis baseis twn megalwn allagwn kai ths biwsimhs, se stereo edafos pleon, anaptyjhs.

Diasfalizoyme oti kamia qysia toy ellhnikoy laoy den paei xamenh kai oti h xronia poy mas perase qa einai h aparxh mias diaforetikhs poreias, enos almatos pros to mellon. Kai ayth thn eykairia den qa thn afhsoyme, ws Politeia kai ws laos, na paei xamenh.

H kybernhsh me eyqynh apenanti sthn koinwnia prattei osa einai anagkaia gia na pragmatwsei ayto poy oloi epiqymoyn. Ena kratos dikaioy me diafaneia, eyelijia, me koinwnikh logodosia kai sebasmo sta xrhmata twn Ellhnwn politwn.

H xwra mas ajiologeitai qetika kai malista se polles periptwseis eimaste kai mprosta apo toys stoxoys mas xarh sthn apofasistikothta ths kybernhshs kai ths boylhshs twn politwn gia oysiastikes allages kai proodo. Xarh s` ayta petyxame th megalyterh meiwsh toy elleimmatos poy yphrje pote mesa se ena xrono kai hdh yparxoyn apta ta shmeia toy apotelesmatos apo ayth thn politikh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exei hdh jekinhsei mia syzhthsh epimhkynshs toy xronoy apoplhrwmhs gia to daneio poy exei parei h Ellada;

PETALWTHS: Einai gnwsto oti sto xqesino Eurogroup elhfqh mia poly shmantikh apofash gia thn ypagwgh ths Irlandias sto mhxanismo sthrijhs. Sthn koinh dhlwsh twn melwn toy Eurogroup yparxei anafora gia th xwra mas, opoy anoigei to ``prasino fws'', prokeimenoy na epimhkynqei h apoplhrwmh toy daneioy mas kai monon.

PAPPA: Se periptwsh poy yparjei epimhkynsh, opws ola deixnoyn, to epitokio qa parameinei to idio;

PETALWTHS: Efoson yparxei apofash gia epimhkynsh qa kaqoristoyn kai oi leptomereies. Ekeino poy einai shmantiko kai bebaio einai oti ean yparjei epimhkynsh, qa einai qetiko gia th xwra mas.

SPANOY: Einai dynaton, na yparjei epimhkynsh mexri to 2018, xwris na yparjei neo mnhmonio;

PETALWTHS: Kathgorhmatika arnoymaste oti yparxei neo mnhmonio. Den tiqetai qema kainoyrgioy mnhmonioy. Oytws h allws to programma lhgei. Ayto poy apomenei na epimhkynqei, ean yparjei tetoia apofash, einai h apoplhrwmh twn daneiwn mas. Neo mnhmonio safws kai den qa yparxei.

LASKARATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate pws oti symbainei qa einai qetiko ean h epimhkynsh ginei pragmatikothta. Akomh dhladh kai ayjhsh toy epitokioy qa einai qetikh;

PETALWTHS: Ayjhsh toy epitokioy safws kai den prokeitai na yparxei. Eipa akribws to antiqeto, pws otidhpote yparjei ws neos oros ths Elladas, se sxesh me to mhxanismo sthrijhs, qa einai, ennoeitai, pros to symferon ths xwras.

STRATAKHS: Yphrje ellhniko aithma, oytws wste na yparjei ayth h epimhkynsh toy xronoy apoplhrwmhs kai qa symperilhfqei sto teliko keimeno. Kai to rwtw giati xqes sto ``Flash'' eixate pei oti den yparxei ellhniko aithma pros ayth thn kateyqynsh.

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei aithma ths xwras mas. Einai mia anafora sthn koinh dhlwsh h opoia egine sto xqesino Eurogroup gia thn Irlandia. Alla, yparxei kai h arxh ths ishs metaxeirishs twn xwrwn poy problepei oti kai alles xwres epwfeloyntai, efoson yparxei mia eynoikh ryqmish gia mia xwra toy Eurogroup.

PITTARAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh ta pragmata einai mallon poly pio apla kai exoyn na kanoyn me maqhmatika. Einai profanes oti h epimhkynsh thn opoia exoyme zhthsei sto paraskhnio kai h opoia twra mas dinetai sto trapezi, qa shmanei aytomatws kai allo epitokio ayjhmeno. Eseis giati arneiste na to paradexteite ayto; To prwto einai ayto. To deytero exei na kanei me to gegonos oti mporei na mh milate gia neo mnhmonio, wstoso milame gia paramonh 11h ths troikas sthn Ellada. Ayto poso qetiko mporei na einai; Epishs, ean mporeite na diaceysete h na epibebaiwsete oti se olh ayth thn poreia den qa zhthsoyme h qa zhthsoyme epanadiapragmateysh toy xreoys h diagrafh meroys toy.

PETALWTHS: Qetete polla zhthmata, ta opoia safws kai den einai apla, einai pio synqeta apo oso sthn pragmatikothta. Oi paradoxes poy qetete gia na kanete thn erwthsh den einai dikes mas paradoxes kai safws den to dexomaste. Emeis exoyme ena trietes programma to opoio ylopoioyme. Ylopoioyme aparegklita toys stoxoys mas. Efoson yparjei apofash, fysika katopin aithmatos mas, qa yparxei epimhkynsh aplws ths apoplhrwmhs. Den milame gia neo mnhmonio. Mia genikh qewrhsh oti qa parameinei h troika gia alla tosa xronia, den mas afora. Emeis otidhpote kanoyme, qa einai me monadiko gnwmona to dhmosio symferon kai monon.

PITTARAS: Epishs, ean moy epitrepete, mporeite na mas peite, afoy ayth h paramonh einai pros to symferon ths xwras kai olo ayto poy ginetai twra, pws ginetai ola ta stoixeia poy bgainoyn sth dhmosiothta, poy aforoyn kat` arxhn thn anergia. Sas diabazw edw ta stoixeia gia to 2010...

PETALWTHS: Ta exw ypoch moy.

PITTARAS: Gia to 2010 exei prosdioristei gyrw sto 12,5%, gia to 2011 anebainei sto 15% kai gia to 2012 sto 15,2%. Ayta gia thn anergia. Gia to emporio exoyn dwsei shmera thn ethsia ekqesh toys oi emporoi, profanws den to gnwrizete kai ta stoixeia poy yparxoyn einai mallon tragika, giati hdh exei katagrafei ena 44% stis ptwxeyseis twn epixeirhsewn. Poy blepete eseis to kalo se olo ayto to pragma;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den prepei na exoyme ceydaisqhseis. Opws exei pei epaneilhmmenws kai o Prwqypoyrgos, den yparxei kamia lhjh synagermoy. Yparxei mia krish thn opoia akomh biwnoyme. Safws kai den exoyme jeperasei thn krish. Opoios qewrei oti yparxei tetoia apoch, einai esfalmenh. Oi synepeies apo thn krish sthn opoia mphkame aqwrakistoi, yparxoyn akomh, yfistantai, qa yfistantai gia ena xroniko diasthma, etsi opws to exoyme prosdiorisei. Sta stoixeia poy moy eipate egw mporw na sas symplhrwsw ta arnhtika stoixeia ths anaptyjhs. Qa exoyme pio baqia yfesh kai oti anaptyjh qa exoyme apo to 2012- 2013, etsi opws problepame apo thn arxh. Ayta einai parepomena stoixeia. Einai ta aponera ths krishs kai fysika, ayta den allazoyn apo th mia mera sthn allh. To qetiko poy blepoyme kai to opoio leme fysika edw kai poly kairo, einai oti yparxei mia dromologhsh twn stoixeiwn, ta opoia apo akrws arnhtika gia th xwra mas kai gia toys polites mas, ginontai qetika. Kai gia na ginoyn qetika, ayto den ginetai aytomata, ginetai mesa apo mia terastia prospaqeia ths kybernhshs kai twn Ellhnwn politwn. Ayta ta stoixeia poy bgainoyn shmera ta gnwrizoyme, gnwrizame oti qa bgoyn, einai dromologhmena. To qema einai oti pera ap` ola ayta yparxei ena baqos, to opoio einai qetiko gia ton ellhniko lao.

ROYMELIWTH: Epeidh eipate gia thn arxh ths ishs metaxeirishs twn xwrwn, to epitokio me to opoio exei daneistei h xwra mas se ena xroniko diasthma x, to opoio einai mikrotero apo ayto ths Irlandias, einai 5,2%. To epitokio to opoio kerdise h phre h Irlandia gia ena megalytero diasthma, einai megalytero apo ayto. Ara yparxei edw ena asymbato.

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei periptwsh na ginoyn ta pragmata dysxerestera gia emas. Emeis qa epwfeloymaste. Oytws h allws to eixame pei kai stis qewrhtikes erwthseis synadelfwn sas edw prin apo mhnes, oti ean yparxei eynoikoterh symperifora apenanti se kapoia allh xwra, qa thn karpwqei kai h xwra mas. Alla, na mhn jexname oti h Irlandia einai mia diaforetikh periptwsh. H Irlandia exei mia teleiws diaforetikh krish sto xrhmatopistwtiko ths systhma. Synepws yparxoyn megales diafores anamesa sthn Ellada kai thn Irlandia. Pantws, o,ti kai na kanoyme apo edw kai pera, ean yparjei allagh toy tropoy me ton opoio daneizomaste, qa einai sigoyra eynoikoterh gia emas.

PAPPA: Qa hqela na rwthsw, pote h kybernhsh ypologizei oti qa kataqesei aithma gia thn epimhkynsh;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh qa to apofasisei, ean katateqei tetoio aithma, efoson syntrexoyn oi proypoqeseis tis opoies metra h kybernhsh, giati aytes oi kinhseis einai sobares, einai kinhseis oysias kai me poly megala apotelesmata gia th xwra mas.

PAPPA: Qelete na eiste pio analytikos; Ti ennoeite, ti proypoqeseis, dhladh, qetoyme;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh metra ta panta, etsi wste opoiodhpote aithma ypoblhqei, na ypoblhqei ston katallhlotero xrono.

STRATAKHS: Yparxei, dhladh, h piqanothta h Ellada na mhn kataqesei aithma kai na mhn dexqoyme epimhkynsh ths apoplhrwmhs toy xreoys mas;

PETALWTHS: H epimhkynsh ths apoplhrwmhs toy xreoys, ef' oson einai kati qetiko gia th xwra mas ki ayto leme, oti einai qetikh ayth h katagrafh sthn koinh dhlwsh toy Eurogroup, einai omws mia kinhsh h opoia qa ginei me prosektiko tropo ston katallhlo xrono.

LASKARATOS: An yparxei kyrie Ekproswpe, proypoqesh ayjhshs toy epitokioy gia na exoyme thn epimhkynsh, h Ellada qa arnhqei enan tetoio dialogo;

PETALWTHS: Milame qewrhtika. Ayto poy exw na sas pw einai oti opoiadhpote kinhsh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, qa ginei me gnwmona thn kalyterh ejyphrethsh toy dhmosioy symferontos.

ROYMELIWTH: Sas problhmatizei to gegonos na yparjei mia apofash poy proypoqetei chfo apo Koinoboylia se sxesh me thn epimhkynsh toy daneioy ths xwras; Einai enas paragontas, aytos, poy qa ejetasete dhladh gia thn katallhlothta toy xronoy h thn ep' wfeleia h oxi ths xwras;

PETALWTHS: Metrame oles tis parametroys. Opoia kinhsh kai na kanoyme, qeloyme na yparxei bebaiothta kai staqerothta kai sth boylhsh mas kai stis kinhseis, etsi wste na yparxei to epiqymhto apotelesma.

XIDIROGLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, den qa sas rwthsw se poio stadio briskontai oi diapragmateyseis me toys fila proskeimenoys sto komma sas syndikalistes, en ocei twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn stis DEKO, stis opoies qa proxwrhsete kai bazw ton oro diarqrwtikes allages se eisagwgika.

PETALWTHS: H erwthsh den katalaba, poia einai;

XIDIROGLOY: Se poio stadio briskontai oi diapragmateyseis me toys fila proskeimenoys sto PASOK syndikalistes, en ocei twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn poy prokeitai na kanete stis DEKO.

PETALWTHS: Oi allages stis DEKO qa ginoyn. Einai diarqrwtikes allages, einai megales allages, oi opoies einai aparaithtes. Kai einai aparaithtes, oxi epeidh tis qetei h troika, giati yparxei mia tash kapws etsi na paroysiastei. Einai allages oi opoies qa eprepe na ginoyn edw kai para polla xronia. Einai paqogeneies oi opoies yparxoyn. Qa prepei na yparjei enas ejorqologismos. Kai fysika oi synepeies ths ejaetoys diakybernhshs ths N.D. feroyn akomh to stigma toys poly entona s' aytes tis DEKO, opoy pragmatika ginotan ena panhgyri. Kai epiteloys, qa prepei na bgei mia akrh yper toy dhmosioy symferontos. H kybernhsh einai apofasismenh, ston syntomotero xrono, na epiferei to kalytero apotelesma.

STRATAKHS: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh to oti mia DEKO - kata mia ennoia DEKO- h DEH, edwse daneio ston syndikalistiko forea ths epixeirhshs, sth GENOP kai alles xorhgies; Pws to antimetwpizei h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Ep' aytoy, yphrje analytikh dhlwsh-apanthsh ths armodias ypoyrgoy k. Mpirmpilh.

PITTARAS: Mporeite na mas peite an paramenei o stoxos gia epistrofh stis agores to 2011;

PETALWTHS: Aytos einai o staqeros stoxos mas kai mesa ap' olh ayth th diadikasia, akomh kai toy Eurogroup, epitygxanetai na yparjei ena qetiko klima, etsi wste na mporoyme na bgoyme stis agores me staqero tropo, to syntomotero dynaton, giati aytos einai o skopos mas.

PITTARAS: To periballon, etsi opws exei diamorfwqei twra, nomizete qa einai eynoiko; To lew giati ta spreads paramenoyn panw apo tis 900 monades.

PETALWTHS: 'Hdh, yparxei mia ptwsh sta spreads kai den to leme monon emeis, to lene kai oi etairoi mas sto Eurogroup , oti aytos o skopos teinei na epiteyxqei sto syntomotero diasthma.

XIDIROGLOY: Ena eidiko erwthma, ektos oikonomias. H efhmerida sthn opoia ergazomai kyrie Ekproswpe, h ELEYQERH WRA, dexqhke apeiles apo islamikh istoselida, h opoia einai kataxwrhmenh sthn Ellada me to proqema gr apo pisw. Prwton, pws h kybernhsh skopeyei na diasfalisei thn eleyqeria logoy, poy einai diasfalismenh apo to Syntagma s' ayth th xwra; Kai deyteron, dedomenoy toy ti exei symbei sto parelqon, sth Nea Yorkh alla kai se eyrwpaikes megaloypoleis, opws h Madrith kai to Londino, ti metra protiqetai na labei h kybernhsh, wste na stamathsei ejtremistes, apo to na proboyn se biaies prajeis;

PETALWTHS: Pantws edw den exoyme ejtremistes poy probainoyn se biaies prajeis. Eytyxws, zoyme se mia anoixth dhmokratia. Ayto einai to megalo proterhma ths xwras mas. Apo ekei kai pera yparxei nomoqetiko plaisio, etsi wste na mporei na prostateyetai kaqenas kai ws fysiko proswpo, alla kai ws efhmerida kai istoselida, apo opoiondhpote poy ton apeilei. Yparxei nomoqetiko plaisio. Ta mesa, shmera, ths diakribwshs toy poios se apeilei, yfistantai, einai se texniko epipedo ejeligmena. Synepws, h prostasia yparxei kai apo to nomo kai apo to kratos mas.

POLYMEROS: Yparxei periptwsh h kybernhsh na zhthsei thn politikh epistrateysh twn apergwn sta limania;

PETALWTHS: Emeis perimenoyme na oloklhrwqei h syneleysh ths PNO. Kai fysika, boylhsh ths kybernhshs einai epiteloys na stamathsei ayth h poly megalh talaipwria twn Ellhnwn politwn. Kai malista na stamathsei akomh kai shmera.

STRATAKHS: Pws antimetwpizei h kybernhsh to zhthma ths oloena kai diogkoymenhs diamartyrias gia ta diodia; Qa proxwrhsei se orismenes periptwseis, opws s' aytes twn Afidnwn kai ths Eleysinas poy prokeitai gia diodia entos toy idioy nomoy; Qa proxwrhsei, dhladh, se anaqewrhsh twn symbasewn; Giati edw blepoyme kai anaqewroyntai symbaseis poy aforoyn toys ergazomenoys, pane kekthmena 40-50 xronwn. Epomenws, symbaseis enos etoys, dhladh oi symbaseis Soyflia qa anaqewrhqoyn; Qa yparjei kapoia eidikh ryqmish toylaxiston gia toys metakinoymenoys entos nomoy;

PETALWTHS: 'Opoy mporoyn na yparjoyn meqodoi, me bash tis opoies qa elafrynqei o 'Ellhnas poliths kai malista se sygkekrimenes periptwseis, to qema ayto einai pros ejetash. Apo ekei kai pera omws, einai symbaseis oi opoies exoyn sygkekrimenoys oroys, exoyn sygkekrimenes nomikes desmeyseis. Synepws, den einai mia aplh periptwsh.

SPANOY: Pws blepei h kybernhsh to qema ths prowqhshs atomikwn symbasewn ergasias sto xwro twn MME, tis protaseis gia meiwseis misqwn kai tis anastoles ekdoshs fyllwn me piqanes mazikes apolyseis;

PETALWTHS: Oi epixeirhseis twn MME einai idiwtikes epixeirhseis. Apasxoloyn xiliades ergazomenoys se enan poly krisimo tomea. Safws kai h kybernhsh parakoloyqei ta tektainomena. Prospaqoyme na dhmioyrghsoyme ena klima to opoio, mesa sthn krish poy pername, na einai ena klima antoxhs toylaxiston twn ergazomenwn kai twn epixeirhsewn. Ws pros thn anastolh, fysika, twn ekdosewn kapoiwn fyllwn efhmeridas, einai qema epixeirhshs kai den einai qema kybernhshs-kratoys.

Sas eyxaristw.

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