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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 3 Noembrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 298135693

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BRIEFING(031110)

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 3 Noembrioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw oti se sxesh me ta xqesina gegonota me ta ``pagideymena paketa'' kai thn tromokratia, o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. D. Droytsas eixe xqes seira thlefwnikwn epafwn me toys presbeis twn xwrwn opoy taxydromhqhkan ta paketa twn tromokratwn, kaqws kai me orismenoys ek twn omologwn toy opoy metefere th lyph toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths kybernhshs gia thn anastatwsh poy proklhqhke. Oloi oi presbeis ejefrasan thn ikanopoihsh toys gia to baqmo synergasias me tis ellhnikes arxes.

H ellhnikh kybernhsh dhlwnei oti einai ikanopoihmenh apo th mexri twra poreia twn ereynwn.

Krinontas apo ta mexri stigmhs apotelesmata, qa hqela na tonisw oti h antidrash, ta antanaklastika kai o syntonismos, ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias toy ypoyrgeioy Prostasias toy Polith, alla kai toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, htan acogos. Ektimoyme oti qa yparjei kai peraiterw proodos stis ereynes poy ginontai.

Epishs, qa hqela na tonisw, me aformh diafora sxolia twn dieqnwn MME, oti kai oi twrines ereynes, alla kai oi palioteres, oson afora se tromokratikes energeies poy eginan, odhgoyn sto asfales symperasma, oti oydemia sxesh yparxei anamesa stis sygkekrimenes egklhmatikes drasthriothtes me th dieqnh tromokratia -opws akoygetai apo merikoys- kai me tromokratikes organwseis typoy Al Kainta. Se ayto eimaste kathgorhmatikoi kai safeis.

Syntoma qa yparjei kai ena nomoqetiko plaisio, kai prepei na yparjei nomoqetiko plaisio, poy qa kalyptei kai tis dieqneis metafores emporeymatwn.

Peraiterw, exoyme tis perifereiakes, tis aytodioikhtikes ekloges stis 7 Noembrioy, opoy anametrietai to palio me to neo, h synthrhsh kai h opisqodromhsh me thn proodo kai to orama. H kybernhsh exei xarajei enan dromo eyrytatwn allagwn se oloys toys tomeis kai me seira rizikwn tomwn hrqe na allajei th xwra, na th bgalei apo thn krish kai na dhmioyrghsei tis baseis enos stereoy oikodomhmatos, gia na mhn breqei pote se paromoia deinh qesh.

Oi allages poy prowqhsame sto asfalistiko systhma to katesthsan biwsimo kai diasfalisame th syntajh kai twn paroyswn genewn, alla kai twn epomenwn.

To neo dikaiotero forologiko systhma epainei toys synepeis kai - epiteloys- timwrei toys asynepeis polites.

H ``diaygeia'' anoigei tis kleistes portes ths dhmosias dioikhshs kai diasfalizei th xrhsth dioikhsh twn xrhmatwn twn politwn, to anoigma twn ``kleistwn'' epaggelmatwn, fernei telos se paqogeneies dekaetiwn, opws kai plhqos allwn oysiastikwn allagwn diasfalizoyn oti oi qysies twn politwn den qa pane xamenes kai o,ti kaqe eyrw poy ejoikonomeitai diatiqetai me diafaneia gia to eqniko symferon.

Dynameis, omws, toy parelqontos, ths opisqodromhshs, ths synthrhshs kai toy mhdenismoy, prospaqoyn akomh kai me prosfata thleoptika proeklogika spot, opws ths N.D., na apotrecoyn tis allages aytes. Aytos einai o stoxos toys: Na apotrecoyn thn proodo, na epiferoyn apostaqeropoihsh, kalwntas toys polites na chfisoyn yper ths diathrhshs kai ths synexishs twn katastasewn kai twn streblwsewn poy mas odhghsan sto xeilos ths xreokopias. Yper twn katastasewn poy ekeinoi dhmioyrghsan, ypeqalcan kai synexizoyn, ametanohtoi, na yposthrizoyn. Kaloyn toys polites na anakocoyn thn poreia pros thn allagh nootropias kai pros thn proodo.

Dystyxws gia oloys aytoys kai eytyxws gia thn Ellada, h Ellada tolmaei, h Ellada dicaei gia thn proodo, qelei na allajei, einai ayth, akribws, h Ellada poy toys jeperna kai toys afhnei sto parelqon.

Emeis, antiqeta, kaloyme toys Ellhnes polites, na poreyqoyme oloi mazi pros to mellon, na epidokimasoyme me patriwtikh syneidhsh tis rizikes allages sth diafaneia, sthn proodo kai sthn poreia gia thn ejodo apo thn krish. Yper twn arxwn, na poreytoyme ths prostasias toy ellhnikoy symferontos. Yper olwn aytwn, dhladh, poy yphretei me synepeia edw kai ena xrono o Prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos Papandreoy kai to PA.SO.K. kaqws kai oi ypochfioi poy sthrizoyme se aytes tis aytodioikhtikes ekloges.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gi` ayto poy eipate gia thn tromokratia: Ara, h kybernhsh qewrei apolytws sygkyriakh thn apostolh idioy typoy dematwn, tis idies hmeres, apo Yemenh kai apo Aqhna;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh einai jekaqarh, exei topoqethqei safestata, oti ola ayta poy ginontai den exoyn kamia sxesh me th dieqnh tromokratia. Ayto malista yparxei kai ws dhlwsh ths k. Merkel, pera apo th dhlwsh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs poy einai safestath, opoy kai h k. Merkel aposyndeei plhrws ayto to pagideymeno paketo poy efqase sthn Kagkelaria me ta paketa - bombes apo thn Yemenh, ta opoia apodidontai sthn Al Kainta. Dikh mas, pantws, qewrhsh, dikh mas apoch kai isxyrh pepoiqhsh, einai oti den empleketai h dieqnhs tromokratia me aytes tis energeies, oi opoies fysika dhmioyrgoyn mia asxhmh eikona gia th xwra mas kai malista se ena xroniko shmeio poy agwnizomaste gia na deijoyme kai stoys dieqneis etairoys mas kai sthn pagkosmia koinh gnwmh, oti h Ellada proxwraei, oti h Ellada einai mia xwra asfalhs. Giati einai mia xwra asfalhs kai mia xwra staqerothtas.

PITTARAS: Mporeite na mas prosdiorisete to rolo aytwn twn anqrwpwn oi opoioi ekanan aytes tis prajeis xqes; Gia esas einai tromokrates h einai apla paidia poy ekanan to kefi toys;

PETALWTHS: Einai safes oti aytes oi energeies, pera apo egklhmatikes einai safws kai tromokratikes. Ayth h qewria twn paidiwn poy kanoyn to kefi toys kai oi opoioi mporoyn na skorpizoyn ton tromo, den mporei na dikaiologhqei me tetoioy eidoys qewries. Oi prajeis aytes exoyn sobarotates synepeies gia th xwra kai an den yphrxan ta swsta antanaklastika kai h amesh antidrash twn ellhnikwn arxwn, qa mporoysan na yparxoyn qymata kai zhmies kai fysika ola ayta amayrwnoyn kai th dieqnh eikona ths xwras. Kaqe tetoia prajh einai apolyta katadikastea. Den yparxei oyte to paramikro ixnos dikaiologhshs, oyte apo thn ellhnikh Politeia, oyte kyriws apo thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Kati poy h ellhnikh koinwnia paleyei gia na to staqeropoihsei, den mporei na apostaqeropoieitai apo kapoioys me symferonta ta opoia einai skoteina kai ta opoia kaqe allo para ejyphretoyn toys eqnikoys kai patriwtikoys mas stoxoys.

KOYTRAS: Eipate prin apo ligo, anaforika me tis perifereiakes ekloges, oti kaleite ton kosmo na sthrijei toys ypochfioys toy PA.SO.K. Prin apo ligo, o k. Mpoytarhs eipe oti ton enoxlei to dilhmma poy ebale o Prwqypoyrgos. Yparxei kapoio sxolio;

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos eqese tis swstes parametroys, parametroys eyqynhs gia aytes tis sygkekrimenes ekloges kai h kybernhsh mono ws pros ayto mporei na topoqethqei. Hdh, exoyme analysei polles fores ti ennooyme. Kai na qymisoyme gia allh mia fora, opws anefera kai prohgoymenws, oti aytes oi ekloges, an kai aytodioikhtikes, ginontai se mia poly krisimh xronikh kamph gia thn poreia ths xwras, poy mporei pragmatika na krinei thn proodo, to mellon kai to ayrio ths xwras ayths.

SIDERHS: Dhladh mas lete, enas Dhmaras mporei na paei th xwra se ekloges;

PETALWTHS: Ayto to erwthma to exoyme apanthsei polles fores. Epeidh blepw oti tiqetai synexeia, epanalambanw: Den mpainoyme se qema proswpwn. Kaneis den mporei na pei oti me mia eklogh mporei na odhghqoyme se ekloges. Emeis qesame to sygkekrimeno diakybeyma twn eklogwn. To diakybeyma twn eklogwn einai ean proxwrame, ean o laos se aytes tis aytodioikhtikes ekloges dwsei to mhnyma, dwsei to stigma, oti h xwra mporei na proxwrhsei mprosta, oti aytes oi poly megales qysies kai h poly sklhrh, alla staqerh poreia ths xwras, qa synexistei h mporei na apotrapei apo alloys paragontes.

MPELEGRHS: Symfwna me ereyna toy IOBE, h opoia egine gnwsth shmera, oi probleceis twn noikokyriwn gia thn oikonomikh toys katastash epideinwnetai, ena xrono meta th diakybernhsh PA.SO.K. Se periptwsh poy pame se ekloges, pws pisteyete oti qa allajete ayth thn eikona;

PETALWTHS: Dhlwnw, gia mia akomh fora, oti proqesh mas den einai na pame se ekloges. Diaqetoyme mia koinoboyleytikh aytodynamia poly isxyrh, alla panw ap` ola bazoyme to symferon ths xwras. Giati gia emas, ayto einai kai to monadiko krithrio. Efoson diapistwsoyme, kai me ta apotelesmata aytwn twn eklogwn, oti yparxei plhrhs nomimopoihsh aytwn twn politikwn prajewn kai twn energeiwn ths kybernhshs, prajeis kai energeies polles ek twn opoiwn den htan programmatikes mas desmeyseis, polles ap` aytes den aforoyn kan tis ideologikes mas proseggiseis ws pros thn politikh, qa prepei na tis epananomimopoihsoyme. Einai shmantiko to xroniko shmeio opoy briskomaste, einai shmantiko to shmeio poy brisketai kai h ejodos ths xwras apo thn krish. Gi` ayto, akribws, leme oti einai mia eykairia se aytes tis ekloges na epananomimopoihqei h empistosynh toy polith apenanti sthn kybernhsh.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mhpws alloiwnete toys qesmoys; Sas exei apasxolhsei kaqoloy; Bgazoyme anqrwpoys gia na mazecoyn ta skoypidia mas kai eseis to xrhsimopoieite san eidos dhmochfismatos yper toy Mnhmonioy, af hs stigmhs den ekane kan dhmochfisma o Prwqypoyrgos otan epebale to Mnhmonio. To oti h antipoliteysh to xrhsimopoiei kai ekeinh den apallassei esas, isxyei kai gia ekeinoys h kathgoria. Alla esas exoyme mprosta mas.

PETALWTHS: Aytes tis sygkekrimenes aytodioikhtikes ekloges, me thn epanastash toy ``Kallikrath'', oydolws tis blepoyme ws ekloges gia to poioi qa mazeyoyn ta skoypidia mas h ekloges poy exoyn sxesh me to mnhmonio. Akribws ayta ta dyo zhthmata einai poy qetei h N.D. kai kapoia alla kommata ths antipoliteyshs, se diaforetiko baqmo isws to kaqe komma. Emeis exoyme mia teleiws diaforetikh qewrhsh, mia synolikh politikh qewrhsh gia tis aytodioikhtikes ekloges, giati to exoyme pei kai to epanalambanoyme, oti se aytes tis ekloges den epilegoyme aplws proswpa poy qa einai oi dhmarxoi kai oi airetoi perifereiarxes. Krinetai to mellon ths topikhs aytodioikhshs, krinetai to pws qa paei o ``Kallikraths'', krinetai to pws qa leitoyrgei, pleon, to epiteliko kratos, alla kai polla zhthmata toy idioy toy politikoy systhmatos, mias kai qa yparxei mia oysiastikh apokentrwsh dynamewn, porwn, apofasewn. Ean ylopoihqei o ``Kallikraths'' poy chfise h kybernhsh toy PA.SO.K se aytes tis dyskoles synqhkes - poy htan programmatikh desmeysh kai kaqarh boylhsh ths kybernhshs kai den mas to exei epiballei kaneis - qa exoyme ena diaforetiko kratos synolika kai malista se mikro xroniko diasthma. Akribws ayto einai ena zhthma poy den exei sxesh oyte me ta skoypidia, oyte me to Mnhmonio, opws poly kakws kai me paraplanhtiko tropo qetei h N.D.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, parathroyme ton Prwqypoyrgo tis dyo teleytaies hmeres, na prokalei th N.D. na zhthsei apo th kybernhsh na fygei apo th stigmh poy opws leei qewrei oti katastrefei th xwra. Mhpws distazete na analabate thn eyqynh ths prokhryjhs prowrwn eklogwn kai rixnete to ganti sthn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh;

PETALWTHS: Mesa se ayto to xrono poy briskomaste sthn kybernhsh, exoyme deijei oti tolmame. Kanoyme tetoies rhjeis, poy kamia kybernhsh mexri twra den qa mporoyse na tis dianohqei, giati pisteyoyme oti h ellhnikh koinwnia einai poly wrimh, giati pisteyoyme oti to na bgoyme apo thn krish kai na swqei h xwra apaitoyse akribws aytes tis poly megales allages kai rhjeis. Synepws, h synepeia kai h eilikrineia mas exoyn kriqei olon ayto ton poly dyskolo xrono gia thn xwra. Kai fysika apodeiknyetai poly perissotero ean sygkriqei kai me thn analogh synepeia kai eilikrineia twn kybernhsewn ths N.D. Ara, emeis oti einai na poyme, to leme eyqews, tolmame eyqews kai den krybomaste apo poyqena kai apo kanenan.

TZANNETATOS: Qa hqela ena sxolio ths kybernhshs gia thn prospaqeia fimwshs toy CONTRA CHANNEL molis liges hmeres prin tis ekloges.

PETALWTHS: Apo osa gnwrizw, yparxei mia apofash ths anejarthths Arxhs, toy E.R.S. H kybernhsh - kai opoiadhpote kybernhsh - den exei th dynatothta kai to dikaiwma na ephreazei tis apofaseis. Gnwrizoyme oti yparxoyn anoixta radiothleoptika qemata gia ta opoia h kybernhsh epiteloys exei desmeytei na ta balei se tajh.

SPANOY: Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs gia to spasimo twn Syllogikwn Symbasewn Ergasias apo dyo etaireies;

PETALWTHS: To sygkekrimeno zhthma poy afora tis ergasiakes sxeseis genikotera, exei apanthqei. Hdh h ypoyrgos Ergasias kai Koinwnikhs Asfalishs k. Katselh exei ekdwsei analogo deltio Typoy, to opoio exw mprosta moy kai to opoio, qa sas ypenqymisw, anaferei: Prwton, h qesh toy ypoyrgeioy einai yper ths synachs Syllogikwn Symbasewn poy diasfalizoyn ton ygih antagwnismo kai thn eyryqmh leitoyrgia ths agoras, kaqws kai apotrepoyn thn ergasiakh zoygkla. Deyteron, brisketai se ejelijh diaboyleysh me toys koinwnikoys etairoys gia thn prowqhsh ryqmishs poy afora sthn efarmogh diatajewn anaforika me tis Syllogikes Symbaseis Ergasias. Kai triton, to ypoyrgeio den parembainei - kai ayth einai h apanthsh - stis Syllogikes Symbaseis Ergasias poy exoyn ypografei anamesa stoys koinwnikoys etairoys. Aplws dhmioyrgei to analogo nomoqetiko plaisio kai fysika o elegxos nomimothtas gia aytes tis symbaseis einai kaqarh nomimothta ths Dikaiosynhs.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Panw se ayto poy eipate oti h kybernhsh den parembainei, apla hqela na prosqesw oti exei parembei sthn periptwsh ths Enwshs Texnikwn Radiofwnias, opoy eixan symfwnhqei ayjhseis stis symbaseis kai akyrwqhkan me Proedriko Diatagma.

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw to sygkekrimeno qema, alla qa to ejetasw. To genikotero plaisio ths leitoyrgias ths kybernhshs sto qema twn Syllogikwn Symbasewn, einai ayto to opoio sas proanefera.

BLABIANOS: Qelw na epanelqw sto qema ths tromokratias. Ean alhqeyei reportaz egkyrhs prwinhs efhmeridas poy qelei thn tromokratia na kalyptetai apo to panepisthmiako asylo. Kata thn apoch sas poioi eyqynontai; Oi kybernhseis, oi eisaggeleis, oi panepisthmiakoi h oi astynomikoi;

PETALWTHS: Qa htan yperbolika aploiko na leme oti h tromokratia kalyptetai apo to panepisthmiako asylo. Ean pragmatika htan aytos o logos yparjhs ths tromokratias shmera, nomizw oti qa yphrxan tropoi, syllogika, na broyme lyseis etsi wste na exei epilyqei pro polloy. To zhthma ths tromokratias einai megalytero. To panepisthmiako asylo einai qema mias eyryterhs dhmosias syzhthshs, poy polles fores exei diastreblwqei. Omws, pisteyw oti to panepisthmiako asylo, safws kai den eyqynetai h den kalyptei en pash periptwsei thn tromokratia. Einai ena qema syzhthshs, alla makari na mporoysame na poyme oti ekei egkeitai h prostasia ths tromokratias.

SABBOPOYLOY: Ektimhsate nwritera peraiterw proodo sthn ereyna gia thn tromokratia. Na eikasw oti exete perissotera stoixeia gia syllhceis h gia thn aneyresh giafkas endexomenws;

PETALWTHS: Oi ereynes synexizontai kai synexizontai ap o,ti fainetai me enan ikanopoihtiko ryqmo. Fysika, eimaste sygkrathmenoi, giati tetoioy eidoys energeies einai sobares. Ara, thn idia sobarothta, thn idia sobarh proseggish ofeiloyn na epideijoyn, kai to prattoyn, oi ellhnikes Arxes.

TSAKIRHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: O Prwqypoyrgos qa einai etoimos to brady ths Kyriakhs na anakoinwsei tis apofaseis toy, sxetika me to an qa proxwrhsei se prowres ekloges h qa krathsei se abebaiothta, mexri ton deytero gyro, oloklhrh th xwra;

PETALWTHS: As perimenoyme ta apotelesmata twn eklogwn kai qa doyme. Pantws, mexri stigmhs, o Prwqypoyrgos htan aytos o opoios bghke prwtos ap oloys kai eqese to zhthma stis diastaseis poy einai h optikh fysika ths kybernhshs kai toy PASOK. Synepws, analambanei kai tis eyqynes kai tis synepeies twn apofasewn poy pairnei.

TSAKIRHS: Kai kati akomh kyrie Ekproswpe: Epeidh eixame prosfata ton k. Pagkalo na xarakthrizei ``antiparagwgikes'' tis 'Enoples Dynameis, shmera o k. Benizelos eipe oti o idios einai aytos poy exei thn eyqynh twn Enoplwn Dynamewn, oti o kosmos einai perhfanos gia tis 'Enoples Dynameis kai oti h kybernhsh einai perhfanh gia tis 'Enoples Dynameis. Telika, einai antiparagwgikes oi 'Enoples Dynameis h eiste perhfanos gi aytes;

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy eipe o k. Benizelos safestata isxyei. Twra, to an prospaqoyme na sygkrinoyme kapoies fraseis, mia synenteyjh, mia syzhthsh toy k. Pagkaloy me to ti eipan alloi ypoyrgoi, nomizw oti den yparxei diastash kai oti kapoies apoceis toy k. Pagkaloy den erxontai se antiqesh me ayta poy eipe o k. Benizelos, o opoios safestata einai o armodios ypoyrgos gia thn Amyna kai safestata ekfrazei tis proteraiothtes ths kybernhshs apenanti stis Enoples Dynameis.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Na fantastoyme oti htan qewrhtikh h syzhthsh poy ekane o k. Pagkalos gia to strateyma.

PETALWTHS: Ean kaqomaste omws kai diylizoyme tis synenteyjeis olwn mas kai tis dhmosies syzhthseis poy ginontai, qa briskoyme stoixeia poy qa ta qewroyme antifaseis.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Egw hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Poios apo toys dyo ekfrazei thn kybernhsh; O k. Pagkalos poy einai Antiproedros h o k. Benizelos poy einai ypoyrgos Amynas;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap ola, den topoqethqhkan sto idio zhthma. O k. Pagkalos se mia apostrofh toy dhmosioy logoy toy eipe kati. Safestata, o k. Benizelos einai aytos o opoios einai o armodios ypoyrgos gia thn Eqnikh Amyna, alla den yparxei diastash.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, apanthsate se prohgoymenh erwthsh synadelfoy gia to KONTRA CHANNEL oti h apofash elhfqh apo mia anejarthth Arxh, thn opoia bebaia apofash den mporeite na ephreasete. Wstoso, ayth h anejarthth Arxh eipe oti to KONTRA CHANNEL den mporei na leitoyrgei me ayto to kaqestws. Par` ola ayta, leitoyrgei. Yparxei kapoio sxolio;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei qema ektelestothtas twn apofasewn toy ESR. Einai kaqara qema nomoy kai ektelestothtas twn apofasewn. Den exw kati na prosqesw ep aytoy, para monon oti to ESR exei ekdwsei mia apofash kai eimai sigoyros oti qa ektelesqei, an den exei hdh ektelestei.

KOYTRAS: Kai mia akomh paremferh erwthsh, kyrie Ekproswpe: Gia to kanali ths Boylhs qa hqela na rwthsw sygkekrimena. Ti leei h kybernhsh gia thn adiafaneia sto kostos leitoyrgias toy kanalioy;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, to kanali ths Boylhs exei sygkekrimenoys oroys leitoyrgias, exei sygkekrimeno proswpiko, to opoio malista einai elaxisto gia ena kanali kai gi ayta poy prosferei. Kai fysika, den yparxei adiafaneia. Ola ta stoixeia dhmosieyontai. Epiprosqetws, qa hqela na tonisw oti to kanali ths Boylhs, opws ginetai se ola ta epipeda, yfistatai tis perikopes kai epomenws symballei sthn ejoikonomhsh twn dapanwn toy dhmosioy kai toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo apogeyma.

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