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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 9 Noembrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 299217968

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BRIEFING(091110)

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 9 Noembrioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Oi Ellhnes polites, me thn chfo ths Kyriakhs, apedeijan oti diaqetoyn politikh wrimothta kai eqnikh ypeyqynothta. Apedeijan oti epiqymoyn staqerh kai aproskopth poreia ths xwras gia thn ejodo apo thn krish, mia poreia poy mono to PA.SO.K. kai o Prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos Papandreoy mporoyn na eggyhqoyn.

H chfos ths Kyriakhs ejasfalizei oti oi qysies twn politwn den pane xamenes. Antiqeta, ajiopoioyntai yper toy eqnikoy symferontos. Oi polites edeijan th boylhsh toys gia th synexish twn megalwn allagwn poy prowqei h kybernhsh se oloys toys tomeis kai einai apolytws anagkaies.

Den parasyrqhkan, se kamia periptwsh, apo thn eykairiakh stash kai thn aneyqynothta ths ajiwmatikhs, kyriws, antipoliteyshs. Antiqeta, antilambanomaste oloi oti mprosta mas exoyme ena krisimo kai sobaro deytero gyro aytodioikhtikwn eklogwn. Mia shmantikh anametrhsh, opoy oi polites qa klhqoyn na epilejoyn apokleistika ta katallhla proswpa poy qa stelexwsoyn kai qa dwsoyn pnoh ston ``Kallikrath'' kai qa odhghsoyn tis topikes koinwnies sth nea epoxh.

Exoyme hdh apeyqynei prosklhsh stoys polites na einai energoi, me th symmetoxh toys, na chfisoyn me gnwmona poia einai ta katallhla proswpa, poia einai ikana proswpa, poia proswpa pisteyoyn ston ``Kallikrath'', poia einai ayta ta proswpa poy qa prowqhsoyn th megalh epanastatikh allagh sthn Topikh Aytodioikhsh, sto epiteliko kratos kai synolikotera sthn koinwnia kai sto politiko systhma.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PITTARAS: Mporeite na mas peite, na peisete toys polites, ti exei allajei mesa se pente hmeres h ti qa allajei apo thn prohgoymenh Kyriakh, mexri thn epomenh kai twra pia oi eklektoi sas qa einai aytoi poy qa ekfrasoyn sto megisto baqmo ayton ton ``Kallikrath'', telos pantwn, enw prin apo tesseris hmeres htan paragwn staqerothtas gia th xwra; Ti exei allajei, dhladh; Giati twra o k. Sgoyros, as poyme, einai ekfrasths toy ``Kallikrath'' kai prin apo tesseris hmeres to mono diakybeyma htan h staqerothta ths xwras;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, emeis den apajiwsame kanenan ypochfio, oyte ypochfio yposthrizomeno apo to PA.SO.K., alla kai synolika kanenan ypochfio. Alla, epeidh gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti o ``Kallikraths'' tiqetai se efarmogh twra, to exoyme pei para polles fores, asxeta me to diakybeyma poy qetame sygxronws me tis aytodioikhtikes ekloges, legame oti einai poly shmantiko, poioi qa einai aytoi oi opoioi qa ylopoihsoyn to megalo ayto epanastatiko sxedio gia thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh. Kai malista qesame polles fores kai anakoinwsame ta krithria, me ta opoia epilexqhkan ta proswpa poy sthrizei to PA.SO.K. Krithria ta opoia einai kyriws aytodioikhtika kai fysika, ayta ta krithria pote den stamathsame na ta epanalambanoyme. Den yparxei kamia allagh. Eixame dwsei to diakybeyma gia ton prwto gyro twn eklogwn. Yparxoyn apotelesmata toy prwtoy gyroy, ta opoia exoyn kriqei. Pername ston deytero gyro, opoy qa ginoyn oi perissoteres epiloges gia tis perifereies kai gia toys dhmoys.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poios exase ston prwto gyro;

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai to antistrofo apo to ``poios kerdise''. Oti oloi kerdisan, ayto qelete na mas peite; Emeis eimaste ikanopoihmenoi giati para tis poly dyskoles synqhkes kai para to oti anagkasthkame se ena xrono na paroyme epwdynes apofaseis, anagkaies, omws, gia thn oikonomia ayths ths xwras, to PA.SO.K. anteje. Einai prwto se chfoys, exei eklejei dyo perifereies apo ton prwto gyro, einai prwto se chfoys stis perifereies kai exoyme shmantika apotelesmata kai sthn Attikh kai sthn Aqhna kai sth Qessalonikh, alla kai se alloys dhmoys poy pragmatika synaqroizoyn ayto poy elege o Prwqypoyrgos, etsi wste na bgaloyme tis ektimhseis mas. Opoios xairetai, einai diko toy qema. Einai wra eyqynhs, einai wra doyleias gia oloys mas. Den einai wra oyte gia panhgyrismoys, oyte gia perissies xares. Kai fysika, h ektimhsh poy kanoyme einai synolikoterh. O laos, panta sofos, apedeije oti einai kai poly wrimos, gia allh mia fora.

KOYTRAS: Epitrecte moy, pws qa proxwrhsei h kybernhsh sto sxediasmo ths, apo th stigmh poy h pleiochfia twn politwn, opws kai na to dei kaneis, einai enantion toy Mnhmonioy. Dhladh, to mnhmonio - antimnhmonio perase...

PETALWTHS: Oxi, den perase kaqoloy. To oti yphrxan polites poy ekanan diaforetikes epiloges skorpismenes se polloys ypochfioys apo tis epiloges poy sthrize to PA.SO.K., den shmainei oti perase ayto to ceytodilhmma mnhmonio - antimnhmonio. Ean pernoyse ayto to ceyto-dilhmma, apo th mia pleyra qa htan h kybernhsh kai apo thn allh, sxedon olh h antipoliteysh kai tote den qa htan prwto komma to PA.SO.K. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Ta krithria poy qesame einai shmantika. Den exoyme periqwria na paizoyme me th xwra. Emeis, phrame to mhnyma apo tis ekloges, alla phrame kai to mhnyma oti o laos qelei staqerothta kai fysika h kybernhsh synexizei kai malista me pio grhgoroys pleon ryqmoys, tis megales allages gia th xwra.

KOYTRAS: Den phrate, omws, th diafora poy qelate, epitrecte moy.

PETALWTHS: Den eixame milhsei gia kamia diafora.

KOYTRAS: Eixate milhsei gia 5%, gia 4%...

PETALWTHS: Ayto den to eipe kaneis kai an to exei pei kapoios, na mas peite kai poy to eipe. Isa-isa, o idios o Prwqypoyrgos eixe pei oti qa synaqroistoyn polla stoixeia. Kai ayta ta stoixeia, poy anefera kai prohgoymenws, einai poy synaqroisthkan gia na paroyme kai thn telikh mas apofash. Kai ayta, safws synhgoroyn, yper toy oti, oxi aplws den apodokimasthke h politikh toy PA.SO.K., alla h chfos einai chfos na synexisoyme, estw me aytes tis poly megales dyskolies kai para tis epwdynes allages, th megalh poreia gia th swthria ths xwras, alla kai na synexistoyn parallhla oi poly megales allages.

MIXAHL: To PA.SO.K. otan jekinhse ayth toy thn poreia meta gia tis nomarxiakes ekloges, epeleje toys ypochfioys toy me ena skeptiko oti prepei na yphrethqei h megalh metarryqmish toy ``Kallikrath'', h opoia pragmatika deixnei alles dynatothtes gia th sygkrothsh ths xwras. Sthn poreia eidame oti qesate ena dilhmma peri staqerothtas h mh. Ekriqh stis kalpes. To erwthma moy to prwto einai, poios apofasise oti qa eprepe na teqei ayto to dilhmma; To deytero erwthma moy einai, afoy eteqh kai katagrafhkan ston prwto gyro ta apotelesmata, poios apofasise oti twra ta krithria einai aytodioikhtika;

PETALWTHS: Sygnwmh, an qymomaste, yparxei kybernhsh sth xwra, etsi; Yparxei Prwqypoyrgos. Ti qa pei, poios to apofasise; Den to katalabainw.

MIXAHL: Qa sas to janapw, loipon, allh mia fora. Yphrje kapoia sygklhsh kybernhtikoy organoy h jypnhse kapoia mera o k. Papandreoy kai eipe ``a, blepw pws paei h proeklogikh ekstrateia, twra prepei na kanw ekloges'' kai thn Kyriakh to brady eipe o idios ``jerete twra paidia, aytodioikhtikes ekloges''; Sas to lew dioti...

PETALWTHS: Giati qelete na maqete ean eginan syzhthseis kai ti syzhthseis eginan sto komma kai sthn kybernhsh;

MIXAHL: Oxi, oxi. Qelw na maqw to ejhs para poly aplo: Ean yphrxe kapoio epiteleio to opoio xaraje mia strathgikh, thn prosarmose sthn poreia twn eklogwn kai ean analambanei thn eyqynh gia opoio apotelesma yparxei. Dioti, thn Kyriakh to brady, mporei na breqei to PA.SO.K. - kaneis den to jerei, qa to doyme thn Kyriakh to brady- xwris kamia perifereia.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, exei hdh dyo perifereies.

MIXAHL: Ektos twn dyo. Ennow aytes poy erxontai.

PETALWTHS: ``Kontos calmos allhloyia''. Qa doyme pragmatika poios qa breqei me ligoteres perifereies kai poios me perissoteres. An kai to qema einai genikotero. Apo ekei kai pera, rwtate me enan tropo poy deixnei oti qa mporoysame na milhsoyme apajiwtika gia to rolo toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths kybernhshs synolika. Yparxoyn qesmoqethmena organa, yparxei Prwqypoyrgos kai aytos o Prwqypoyrgos exei deijei oti pairnei shmantikotates apofaseis poy exoyn swsei th xwra, edw kai ena xrono.

MIXAHL: Wraia. Eiste ikanopoihmenos, eseis, apo thn kinhtopoihsh olwn, twn stelexwn, boyleytwn, ypoyrgwn, syn ton tropo me ton opoio xeiristhkan diafores katastaseis...

PETALWTHS: An den kanw laqos twra rwtate gia qemata PA.SO.K. kai oxi gia qemata kybernhshs.

MIXAHL: Oxi, oxi, gia kybernhtika. Ma h kybernhsh einai ayth poy edwse to politiko stigma. (Epanerxetai sthn prohgoymenh erwthsh) ... wste na dwsei th maxh to kybernwn komma syntetagmena kai nikhfora ston prwto gyro twn dhmotikwn eklogwn;

PETALWTHS: Ayth qa mporoyse na einai erwthsh ston tomea kinhtopoihsewn toy PA.SO.K. kai oxi ston kybernhtiko ekproswpo.

MIXAHL: Na th qesoyme kai ekei.

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws, na th qesete. Apo ekei kai pera, sthn kybernhsh kai sto komma, synolikotera, toy PA.SO.K. ola ta stelexh pistecan se ayton ton poly megalo agwna poy kanoyme, giati ola ta stelexh einai ayta poy biwnoyn edw kai ena xrono thn poly megalh prospaqeia poy kanei to kybernwn komma. Den exoyme meinei oyte mia hmera xwris egrhgorsh kai xwris na exoyme na antimetwpisoyme ejairetikes dyskolies. Kai ayto to biwnoyme oloi, anejarthta fysika apo to ean yparxoyn diaforetikes proseggiseis sta stelexh toy PA.SO.K., giati einai ena zwntano komma. Alla to oti doylecan, safws kai doylecan. Oti doyleyoyn, safws kai doyleyoyn giati h xwra brisketai se mia tetoia katastash poy den xwrei oyte efhsyxasmos, oyte alloy eidoys proseggiseis, poy apoklinoyn apo ton teliko skopo, na diaswqei h xwra, na proxwrhsoyn oi diarqrwtikes allages kai na petyxei kai o ``Kallikraths''.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na rwthsw, se poion planhth xrhsimopoioyntai ta maqhmatika poy ajiopoihse h kybernhsh gia na paroysiasei ws epidokimasia ths politikhs ths to apotelesma twn eklogwn, otan exei xasei 1.100.000 chfoforoys kai ypoxwrhse kata 10 posostiaies monades.

PETALWTHS: Den ta logariazete kala. Prwta ap` ola, blepw oti oi ypologismoi oi dikoi sas den einai swstoi. Einai ypologismoi poy den toys kaname emeis, giati prepei na ypologizoyme kai thn apoxh.

SEGKOS: Oi dhmoskopoi ta eipan.

PETALWTHS: Oi dhmoskopoi exoyn pei polla kai diaforetika pragmata. Gia na ypologizoyme posoys chfoforoys exase to PA.SO.K., poy gia mas safws den tiqetai etsi to zhthma, giati emeis den xrhsimopoioyme ayta ta yperaploysteymena maqhtika, ta opoia qolwnoyn kai to mhnyma kai thn apofash toy ellhnikoy laoy. Prwta ap` ola, ean sygkriname eqnikes ekloges me aytodioikhtikes ekloges, me o,ti shmainei ayto, me ypochfioys oi opoioi den einai stena kommatikoi, oi opoioi sthrizontai apo diafora kommata kai otan erxetai o ellhnikos laos na chfisei aytodioikhtika, dhladh diaforetika ap` o,ti se eqnikes ekloges, adikoyme th xrhsimothta ths chfoy kai stis eqnikes ekloges kai stis aytodioikhtikes. Synepws, ayta ta yperaploysteytika maqhmatika, oyte ta logariasame, oyte ta xrhsimopoihsame, oyte ta xrhsimopoioyme. Gi` ayto akribws, otan o Prwqypoyrgos elege ``qa synaqroisoyme polla stoixeia'' piezate eseis, ws dhmosiografoi - th doyleia sas kanete- alla mas piezan kai ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs gia na desmeyqoyme kai na poyme enan phxh posostwn. Ayto den to kaname, giati akribws den sygkrinontai anomoia pragmata, giati etsi adikeitai h chfos toy Ellhna polith.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, opws epaneilhmmenws exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos, to 2011 einai mia dyskolh xronia. H kybernhsh exei anhsyxia, exei problhmatismo gia to gegonos oti se ayth th dyskolh xronia, apo th mia pleyra qa exei mia enisxymenh antipoliteysh apo to apotelesma twn eklogwn kai apo thn allh pleyra qa exei to K.K.E. ths anypakohs;

PETALWTHS: To oti o ellhnikos laos chfise me kapoia krithria, einai safestato. To pws chfise kai to ektimhsame kai to analysame, alla safws kai to lambanoyme ypoch. Apo ekei kai pera, den mporw na tekmhriwsw poyqena oti yparxei mia antipoliteysh enisxymenh, an ennoeite thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh. Giati, opws eipe o synadelfos sas, an to PA.SO.K. exase toses xiliades chfoys, epishs polles xiliades chfoys exase kai h N.D. kai malista apo poy; Apo to pososto to opoio htan katastrofiko gi` ayth. To xeirotero pososto, toy 2009 kai apo ayto to pososto exase polles-polles ekatontades xiliades chfwn. To qema, omws, emeis den to pairnoyme aploysteytika. Den yparxei enisxysh ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, ayto einai safes. Ws pros to K.K.E., kaqenas kanei th doyleia toy. Kai fysika, ean qeloyme na eimaste sobaroi kai stis analyseis mas, kaneis den pisteyei oti an ayrio ginontan eqnikes ekloges to K.K.E. qa epairne ayto to pososto. To pws ekfrasthke h chfos, ws chfos epidokimasias h diamartyrias h proeidopoihshs, einai qema olwn mas na to analysoyme kai emeis to kanoyme. Alla exoyme ypoxrewsh, exoyme eqniko xreos, emeis na pame th xwra mprosta. Kai oi analyseis poy kanoyme, einai se eqnikh bash. Kai ayth einai h megalh mas diafora me th N.D. Emeis milame gia eqnikoys stoxoys, toys opoioys prepei na petyxoyme. O k. Samaras milaei gia toys proswpikoys kai kommatikoys toy stoxoys. Gi` ayto, ejalloy, kai h analysh poy ekane h N.D. htan oti yparxei olikh epanafora, dhqen, ths N.D. Tis diafores qa prepei na tis blepoyme kai poiotika. Ayth einai h apoch mas.

MARAQIAS: Sas problhmatizei to gegonos, pantws, oti h kybernhsh, to kybernwn komma synolika, phgainei pros to deytero gyro, mallon politika apomonwmeno, kaqws fainetai oti qa yparxei mia syspeirwsh twn antimnhmoniakwn dynamewn sto deytero gyro; Apo dejia mexri aristera.

PETALWTHS: Den blepoyme poyqena na yparxei kati tetoio. To oti yphrxe mia chfos, me bash kapoia krithria ston prwto gyro twn eklogwn, den shmainei oti to idio qa yparxei kai ston deytero. Isa-isa, eimaste aisiodojoi. O laos exei apodeijei oti gnwrizei poly kala se poioys empisteyetai thn tyxh toy. Kai epanalambanw oti para tis pio dyskoles synqhkes, apo th metapoliteysh, toylaxiston, kai meta, to PA.SO.K. einai prwto komma kai me poiotika stoixeia, me poiotikes analyseis, poy pragmatika to tekmhriwnoyn se plhrh bash. Pisteyoyme oti o ellhnikos laos qa kanei tis epiloges toy, epiloges poy qa anadeijoyn kalyteroys topikoys kai aytodioikhtikoys arxontes.

SIDERHS: Meta to toso kalo apotelesma poy mas lete oti eixate, poso syntoma qa pame se eqnikes ekloges;

PETALWTHS: Prwton, den eipa to ``toso kalo''. Milhsa sobara kai metrhmena. Synexiste.

SIDERHS: Se eqnikes ekloges, pote qa pame, meta apo ayto to apotelesma;

PETALWTHS: Otan problepei to Syntagma.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh akoygontai fwnes kai apo thn E.E. oti qa prepei na yparjoyn kapoia diorqwtika nea metra logw ths sterhshs twn esodwn. Yparxei tetoio endexomeno mprosta mas; Antimetwpizei h kybernhsh ayto to endexomeno;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, kai o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn k. Papakwnstantinoy, xqes apo to Londino opoy briskotan, apekleise plhrws to endexomeno na yparjoyn nea, prosqeta metra, kai malista foroi kai perikoph misqwn kai syntajewn. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Den yparxei periptwsh na perikopoyn misqoi kai syntajeis, oyte na epilhfqoyn alla forologika barh epipleon apo ayta poy problepotan sthn symfwnia poy kaname me toys etairoys mas, giati akribws den antexei o poliths, den antexoyn oi epixeirhseis. Ayto, omws, poy meleta to oikonomiko epiteleio, einai h perikoph ekeinwn twn dhmosiwn dapanwn giati oso kai an noikokyrecame to dhmosio, yparxei anagkaiothta gia peraiterw perikopes, alla kai peraiterw anagkaiothta gia peristolh ths spatalhs sto ellhniko dhmosio.

Einai jekaqaro, omws, apo kai pros kaqe pleyra, oti den yparxei periptwsh na yparjoyn nea metra, tetoia poy na perilambanoyn misqoys, syntajeis kai forologika barh. Ejalloy, epeidh apo xqes ginetai kai polys qorybos gia ayta poy dhlwse o k. Gioynker sto Eyrwkoinoboylio, o k. Gioynker dhlwse kai para polla alla pragmata ta opoia den blepw na proballontai. Kai na sas qymisw oti o k. Gioynker eipe oti den xreiazetai idiaiterh anhsyxia gia thn Ellada. Eipe oti oi ellhnikes Arxes qa einai se qesh na thrhsoyn kai na epityxoyn toys stoxoys poy exoyn teqei gia to 2011 kai oti to programma ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs einai ajiopisto. Ayto akoygetai apo enan ajiopisto anqrwpo. Kai fysika ejakoloyqoyme na pisteyoyme kai na dhlwnoyme oti to Programma Staqerothtas poy akoloyqoyme, opws kai h ylopoihsh twn apofasewn sxetika me ayto to Programma, qa thrhqei aparegklita. Kai efoson threitai aparegklita tote den yparxei kanenas logos anhsyxias. Einai kai mia dikh mas dhlwsh.

XASAPOPOYLOS: O k. Papakwnstantinoy sthn Agglia stis polles synenteyjeis poy exei dwsei, eipe gia th meiwsh toy elleimmatos oti qa einai 5,5% kai oti yparxei mia ysterhsh esodwn. Kai enas apo toys logoys poy ejhghse giati yparxei ayth h sterhsh esodwn, einai, opws eipe, giati yperektimhsame th forodotikh ikanothta poy yparxei. Mas eipe oti den qa mpoyn neoi foroi h telos pantwn oti den qa kopoyn oi misqoi kai oi syntajeis. Na bgalete merikoys foroys apo aytoys poy exete balei, to exete skeftei; Na elafrynete, dhladh, ton kosmo apo toys foroys; To exete skeftei;

PETALWTHS: Shmera, den qa mporoysa na milhsw gia kati tetoio. Einai mia poly sobarh parametros ayth poy bazete, alla qa prepei na skeftomaste oti otidhpote qa mporei na ferei se dyskolia toys stoxoys mas, den einai kai poly eykolo na ginei. Pantws, ayto poy exoyme desmeytei, ws kybernhsh, kai exei desmeytei kai proswpika o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, einai oti qa anaplhrwnetai to xameno eisodhma toy aploy Ellhna polith, oso kai kaqe fora poy to epitrepoyn oi synqhkes. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Aytos einai o stoxos mas. Ayton ton stoxo yphretoyme, giati h swthria ths xwras qa prepei na exei ameso antiktypo kai sthn anakoyfish toy Ellhna polith. Gia ayto akribws, parolo poy zoyme se dyskoles oikonomikes synqhkes, apokleioyme kai thn perikoph se misqoys kai syntajeis.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se ayta poy leei h kybernhsh exei synypologisei ton paragonta anergia kai me ayta poy qelei na kanei stis paryfes toy Dhmosioy; Dhladh, na sas pw to ejhs: Proxqes sthn Patra, ston k. Prwqypoyrgo, hrqan kapoies kyries gyrw sta penhnta, oi opoies htan apo to programma ``bohqeia sto spiti'' na toy dwsoyn ena ypomnhma. Kai mas eipan oti emeis apolyomaste. Kai eipame oti o Prwqypoyrgos sto Peristeri eipe oti den... Leei nai, to programma paramenei, alla gia symbasioyxoys eptamhnoys twn 700 eyrw. Dhladh, den yparxei ena qema anergias poy mesa sto 2011 fainetai oti diogkwnetai;

PETALWTHS: Tis sobares synepeies ths krishs kai tis gnwrizoyme kai tis synypologizoyme. Kai h anergia, pragmatika, isws, einai to pio shmantiko problhma poy apasxolei thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Einai gnwsto, omws, oti den lynetai apo th mia stigmh sthn allh. Einai gnwsto oti qa yparxei yfesh to 2011, oti qa yparxei ayjhmenh anergia, giati eimaste realistes kai gnwrizoyme ta stoixeia. Emeis, ws kybernhsh, prospaqoyme na katapolemhsoyme thn anergia me thn enqarrynsh twn epaggelmatiwn na dhmioyrghsoyn nees qeseis ergasias. Kai gia ayto, akribws, prin apo eikosi molis hmeres to ypoyrgeio Ergasias, h k. Katselh kai o Dioikhths toy O.A.E.D. k. Kikilias anakoinwsan kai ena poly megalo paketo dekaepta programmatwn toy O.A.E.D. ycoys disekatommyriwn eyrw kai me ekatontades xiliades qeseis ergasias, prokeimenoy na periorisoyme oso mporoyme thn anergia kai na enisxysoyme thn ergasia. Kai fysika yparxei kai mia synolikh politikh poy to problhma ths anergias to qetei prwto apo ola. Allwste, proteraiothta ths kybernhshs einai o periorismos ths anergias. Eidika, omws, se ayto poy eipate gia to programma ``bohqeia sto spiti'', einai ena programma to opoio jekinhse epi PA.SO.K. Einai ena programma, to opoio emeis den katargoyme. H N.D. hqele na to katarghsei kai to apajiwse. Antiqetws, prospaqoyme mesa apo diergasies kai epafes poy ginontai me thn E.E. na to enisxysoyme.

MOSXOBAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na qesw to ejhs erwthma: Apaiteitai h qa ginei allagh sthn omada strathgikoy sxediasmoy, opws zhthse enas ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs, o k. Mpegliths, dhmosiws to brady twn eklogwn;

PETALWTHS: Den synhqizw na sxoliazw syzhthseis kybernhtikwn stelexwn se thleoptikes ekpompes. To na apomonwsoyme mia frash, mia protash enos kybernhtikoy stelexoys, nomizw oti qa adikoyse kai ton idio.

MOSXOBAS: An moy epitrepete, den einai mia frash. Einai mia apoch, eipe oti eginan laqh strathgikhs. Eginan laqh strathgikhs; Apaiteitai allagh;

PETALWTHS: Einai apoch toy k. Mpeglith, thn opoia, profanws gia na to lete eseis, qa thn exei pei.

MOSXOBAS: Dhladh, den thn symmerizesqe ws kybernhsh.

PETALWTHS: Emeis prospaqoyme na exoyme to kalytero apotelesma, se sxesh me tis yparxoyses synqhkes. Ws kybernhsh kai ws PASOK blepoyme oti ayth h strathgikh poy efarmozoyme fernei swthria apotelesmata gia th xwra, pragma poy oi polites antilambanontai kai ayto einai poly shmantiko gia emas.

MOSXOBAS: Ena deytero erwthma einai to ejhs: Htan, ontws, gkafa h peraiwsh, opws dhlwse, xqes, h kyria Loyka Katselh;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, h kyria Katselh milhse gia th meqodeysh, an den kanw laqos, prin tis ekloges na yparxoyn ta shmeiwmata ths peraiwshs kai oxi gia thn peraiwsh ayth kaq' ayth poy epiballetai logw twn peristasewn, opws exei hdh ejhghqei apo ta kaq' ylhn armodia kybernhtika stelexh, alla kai apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo, o opoios tonise pws ayth einai h teleytaia fora poy efarmozetai ayto to metro. Kaqenas, loipon, kanei tis ektimhseis toy. Emeis askoyme mia kybernhtikh politikh me thn opoia epidiwkoyme af' enos men thn ayjhsh twn esodwn, af' eteroy de prosdidoyme megalh shmasia sthn prostasia twn politwn, kleinontas tis ekkremothtes toys. Kai fysika den merimnoyme na synypologizoyme ta panta, qetontas ta se enan, kaqara, proeklogiko stoxo, opws qa mporoyse na ginei kai me to zhthma ths peraiwshs. Ean yparxoyn laqh sthn peraiwsh, safws kai h kratikh mhxanh einai ypoxrewmenh na ta diorqwsei, opoia kai na einai ayta ta laqh. Emas, mas endiaferei omws mexri ekei.

MOSXOBAS: Ektimate oti htan swsth h kinhsh ayth; H kyria Katselh eipe oxi. Eseis ws kybernhsh ti lete;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei kratos to opoio kanei th doyleia toy, anejarthta apo tis ekloges. An den thn kanei kala, yparxoyn tropoi na beltiwqei ayth h doyleia poy ginetai.

MOSXOBAS: Kai ena teleytaio kai den janamilw: Yparxei poly megalh anataraxh se polloys ypochfioys toys opoioys sthrizete kai oi opoioi ektimoyn oti den sthrixqhkan apo sygkekrimena stelexh. Kai qelw na rwthsw: Gia paradeigma, sthn perioxh sas, sthn perifereia sas, sthn Anatolikh Makedonia-Qrakh, sthrixqhke eparkws o ypochfios, gia paradeigma, apo ton k. Jynidh, ton prwhn Grammatea toy kommatos; Sthn Peloponnhso sthrixqhke o k. Tatoylhs apo ton k. Mpeglith sto Nomo Korinqias;

PETALWTHS: Ola ta kybernhtika stelexh, alla kai ola ta stelexh toy kommatos enisxysan toys ypochfioys poy sthrijame kai sthrizoyme ws PASOK. Pistecan s' aytoys toys ypochfioys kai toys sthrijan. Fysika, yparxei kai deyterh Kyriakh, opoy ayto qa fanei. Kai ekei pragmatika, me to apotelesma poy qa exoyme, qa katadeixqei peritrana oti sthrixqhkan eparkestata.

PITTARAS: Epeidh eipate oti h chfos ths Kyriakhs htan chfos gia na synexisete thn prospaqeia na swqei h xwra, mhpws thn eklambanete kai ws leykh epitagh gia na proxwrhsete se apolyseis sto Dhmosio;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, den milame gia apolyseis. Kai fysika, den yparxei kamia leykh epitagh, den to eipe kaneis ayto. Alla einai kai makria apo thn antilhch poy exoyme gia thn chfo toy polith. Gia mas, h chfos toy polith exei megalh barythta, exei poly megalh shmasia. Kai anejarthtws apotelesmatwn, akomh kai sthn periptwsh poy qa kategrafonto syntriptika apotelesmata yper hmwn poy qa mas efernan panhgyrika sthn prwth qesh, sthn opoia oytws h allws twra briskomaste, epanalambanw loipon, akomh kai me poly kalytera apotelesmata, pote den qa miloysame gia leykh epitagh. Emeis exoyme hdh thn entolh toy ellhnikoy laoy, thn labame prin apo ena xrono. H entolh ayth epanabebaiwqhke molis proxqes, me oles tis idiorryqmies kai tis idiaiterothtes ths sygkyrias, alla kai me ton xarakthra poy exoyn oi aytodioikhtikes ekloges. Kata synepeia, emeis, ws kybernhsh, kanoyme th doyleia mas poy einai h swthria ths xwras, to jeperasma ths krishs, oi megales allages, h beltiwsh ths oikonomikhs katastashs kai ths kaqhmerinothtas toy Ellhna polith kai fysika h enisxysh ths koinwnikhs synoxhs. Ypo thn ennoia ayth, epiteleitai hdh kai mellei na oloklhrwqei ena poly megalo ergo. Kaneis den eipe oti teleiwsame. Isa-isa briskomaste sth mesh enos megaloy ergoy kai exoyme mprosta mas na antimetwpisoyme polla zhthmata kai kyriws zhthmata poy aptontai ths enisxyshs toy oikogeneiakoy proypologismoy kai ths en genei prostasias toy polith.

PITTARAS: Epeidh eipate ti den qa kanete...

PETALWTHS: Oxi, eipa ti qa kanoyme.

PITTARAS: Anaferomai se prohgoymenh apanthsh sas poy eipate oti den qa labete nea metra, den qa epibalete neoys foroys, den qa perikocete misqoys, den qa perikocete syntajeis. Eipate, omws, oti qa perikocete tis dhmosies dapanes. Kai qelw na sas janarwthsw: Stis dhmosies dapanes, perilambanete ton ariqmo twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn poy hdh yparxoyn; Yparxei, dhladh, periptwsh na perikocete dhmosioys ypallhloys, dhladh, na toys apolysete;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, opoia apofash lambanoyme thn anakoinwnoyme. Throyme aparegklita toys stoxoys mas. Kai mexri ekei.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela dyo sxolia: Prwton, gia thn problech ths Morgan Stanley oti qa parameinoyme sto xrhmatodotiko arma ths troikas gia perissotero xrono kai deyteron, gia thn apoch toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs k. Kastanidh, shmera to prwi, yper ths epanadiapragmateyshs orwn toy mnhmonioy.

PETALWTHS: Qa epanalabw stereotypa men, alla ayth einai h oysia kai ths politikhs mas. Exoyme balei stoxoys. Aytoys toys stoxoys toys throyme aparegklita. Einai isxyrh h pepoiqhsh mas kai ypologismeno oti qa bgoyme apo thn krish ef` oson throyme aytoys toys stoxoys. Synepws, den problepoyme na yparxei kamia allagh politikhs, ws pros ayta poy eipate. Kai fysika, otidhpote qa mas ebgaze ejw apo aytoys toys stoxoys, caxnontas kai diereynwntas otidhpote allo, den qa bohqoyse thn prospaqeia poy kanoyme.

SPANOY: Epeidh exei anoijei mia megalh syzhthsh gia to mellon ths ellhnikhs oikonomias en ocei ths Synodoy Koryfhs toy Dekembrioy stis Bryjelles kai gia paradeigma o prwhn ypoyrgos ths Neas Dhmokratias o k. Soyrlas proteine shmera, milwntas ston R/S FLASH thn khryjh ptwxeyshs, ef'oson ta metra den apodwsoyn. Qa hqela loipon na sas rwthsw ean ejetazete opoiadhpote ekdoxh anadiarqrwshs xreoys.

PETALWTHS: Profanws, k. Soyrlas, tetoies syzhthseis peri ptwxeyshs tis kanei kai sto idio to komma toy. Emeis swsame th xwra apo thn ptwxeysh. Ayto einai dedomeno. O k. Soyrlas, profanws, emeine sta stoixeia poy eixe otan htan kybernhsh h N.D. Ayth h apoch poy ejefrase sto radiofwno sto opoio milhse shmera to prwi, pisteyw oti qa prepei na apasxolhsei th N.D.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h Ejetastikh gia thn oikonomia, qa ginei sto xroniko orizonta poy exei orisei o Prwqypoyrgos. Yparxoyn skeceis sthn kybernhsh gia anabolh ths sto pneyma twn dhlwsewn toy k. Papandreoy, to brady ths Kyriakhs, gia synaineseis kai eqnikh enothta;

PETALWTHS: Apo thn prwth stigmh poy analabame thn kybernhsh ayths ths xwras h synainesh einai to zhtoymeno. Zhtame th synainesh gia polloys logoys kai malista otan akomh den eixe ginei antilhpto to megeqos ths asxhmhs katastashs, sthn opoia briskotan h xwra. H synainesh, omws, den exei na kanei me thn atimwrhsia. Kai fysika, h synainesh den ginetai me antallagmata. Emeis kanoyme th doyleia mas. H koinwnikh dikaiosynh einai enas stoxos ton opoio qa thrhsoyme aparegklita kai fysika symchfismoys kai alloy eidoys dosolhcies den prokeitai na kanoyme.

KOYTRAS: Qa yparjei kapoia kinhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy se ayto, gia na ekfrastei ayth h synainesh; Qa yparjei kapoia prosklhsh pros toys alloys politikoys arxhgoys; Yparxei kapoia kinhsh;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei mia anoixth prosklhsh pros toys politikoys arxhgoys gia synainesh, thn opoia exei dhlwsei polles fores kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos. Alla, ekeino poy mas afora, kyriws, einai h synainesh twn koinwnikwn dynamewn. H synainesh toy Ellhna polith eidika sth sygkekrimenh periodo, poy deixnei oti antilambanetai to poly megalo ergo ths kybernhshs toy PA.SO.K.

TSAKIRHS: O k. Pagkalos, xqes eipe, oti den einai eyxaristhmenos apo to apotelesma. O k. Loberdos eipe oti den qelei na erwtatai gia to dilhmma twn eklogwn, alla toylaxiston na enhmerwnetai gi` ayto.

PETALWTHS: Den eipe ``toylaxiston na enhmerwnetai''. Eipe oti qelei na enhmerwnetai. Den qelei na synapofasizei, qelei na enhmerwnetai. Ayto eipe. Anefere dhladh, kati allo ap` ayto poy lete eseis.

TSAKIRHS: ``Toylaxiston na enhmerwnetai''. H k. Katselh karfwse ton k. Papakwnstantinoy. Telika poso eidylliakh einai h eikona ths epomenhs hmeras gia thn kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: H diastash metajy twn ypoyrgwn htan kati poy ``paizotan'' para poly sto prohgoymeno xroniko diasthma. Fainetai oti stamathse na yparxei kai na anadeiknyetai, ws meizon qema ths ellhnikhs politikhs zwhs. Alla blepw oti staxyologwntas oles aytes tis ateleiwtes syzhthseis poy eginan aytes tis hmeres twn eklogwn, arxizoyme pali na briskoyme chgmata. Ayto poy exw na sas pw einai to ejhs: Ta stelexh, oi boyleytes, oi ypoyrgoi exoyn th dikh toys politikh aytoteleia, exoyn th dikh toys politikh ontothta, thn opoia exoyn sfyrhlathsei mesa apo mia poly megalh diadromh. Synepws, to na ekfrazoyn thn apoch toys, den shmainei oti yparxei diastash sthn kybernhsh metajy twn ypoyrgwn. Kai fysika, kaneis den milhse gia eidylliakh eikona. Den mas endiaferei na exoyme eidylliakh eikona ths kybernhshs, giati ayto einai plasto. Mas endiaferei to oti yparxei synoxh, to oti ayth h kybernhsh leitoyrgei me enan shmantika spoydaio tropo, giati an den leitoyrgoyse kat' ayton ton tropo den qa mporoysame na ta bgaloyme pera.

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