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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 2 Noembrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 297966750

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 2 Noembrioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

H kybernhsh katadikazei me ton pleon kathgorhmatiko tropo tis energeies twn egklhmatiwn poy epixeiroyn na tromokrathsoyn, mataia, kai na diasaleysoyn thn koinwnikh eirhnh.

H astynomia edeije pws leitoyrgoyn arista ta antanaklastika ths. Proxwrhse xqes se syllhceis dyo atomwn, enw oi epixeirhseis ths astynomias kai oi ereynes einai se plhrh ejelijh.

Xqes, oi Ellhnes polites, me th synenteyjh toy k. Samara, eginan martyres mias apopeiras paraplanhshs kai systhmatikhs diastreblwshs ths alhqeias. O k. Samaras dhlwse oti den htan kan boyleyths otan dhmioyrgoytan h otan apokryptotan to elleimma. Na qymisoyme, omws, oti otan o idios elege ton Maio toy 2009 oti to elleimma qa brisketai sto 4 me 4,5%, htan ypoyrgos Politismoy. Ayta elege h tote kybernhsh, stelexos ths opoias htan o k. Samaras, stoys polites, stoys etairoys, kaqistwntas thn xwra mas pantelws anajiopisth.

Dystyxws, omws, akomh kai shmera o k. Samaras arneitai na pistecei kai na paradexqei to pragmatiko ycos toy elleimmatos. To amfisbhtei kathgorwntas thn kybernhsh kai thn Eurostat, profanws, gia dhmioyrgikh logistikh, krinontas profanws ej idiwn ta allotria.

Allo ena shmeio diglwssias toy k. Samara.

Shmera, eytyxws, yparxei mia anejarthth Arxh, thn opoia qespise h kybernhsh toy PA.SO.K., mia ajiopisth statistikh Arxh, poy se synergasia me tis yphresies ths Eurostat apotypwnei kai kataqetei, epiteloys, ta pragmatika statistika stoixeia.

Ta elleimmata den ta kryboyme katw apo to xali kai den klhrodotoyme stis epomenes genies oles aytes tis paqogeneies kai ta megala elleimmata, alla ta antimetwpizoyme kai ta meiwnoyme.

Telos, o k. Samaras epemeine sthn prwtofanh toy qewria gia mhdenismo toy elleimmatos, th gnwsth qewria, poy mono o idios qa mporoyse na thn ermhneysei. Dystyxws, gia ton idio kai thn paratajh toy, bebaia, den yparxoyn alla periqwria apoprosanatolismoy.

Exoyn meinei liges hmeres gia tis aytodioikhtikes ekloges ths 7hs Noembrioy, ekloges poy einai idiaitera shmantikes, giati apoteloyn mia diadikasia eyqynhs kai kaqhkontos gia ton kaqe polith. Oi prosexeis ekloges diaxwrizoyn to xqes apo to ayrio, thn opisqodromhsh apo thn proodo, thn tolmh kai thn apofasistikothta apo thn aprajia kai thn atolmia. Thn eilikrineia poy fernoyme emeis apenanti ston lao, apo thn ypokrisia kai thn apokrych ths alhqeias me diafora plasta dillhmata kai texnasmata.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos exei skopo na apoxwrhsei apo thn prwqypoyrgia, kai gia ayto qelei na kanei prowres ekloges, opws eipe xqes o k. Samaras kai opws apo to prwi synexizoyn na lene ta perissotera stelexh ths N.D.;

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa xqes kai epanalambanw kai shmera oti o k. Samaras krinei ej idiwn ta allotria. Qewrei oti tis praktikes poy akoloyqhse h kybernhsh ths N.D., ypoyrgos ths opoias htan, dhladh na katastrecei thn xwra kai na thn egkataleicei, oti qa mporoyse na to kanei opoiadhpote allh kybernhsh kai malista to PA.SO.K. Ayta jerei o k. Samaras, ayta exei dei apo thn paratajh toy, ayta exei kanei prosfata h paratajh toy kai ayta nomizei oti mporei na ta kanei kaqenas.

Kalese, xqes , ton k. Karamanlh na milhsei. Den mporei apo th mia - kai pali ypokritika - na kalei ton k. Karamanlh na milhsei. Na qewrei oti exei epwmistei ypermetro baros kai apo thn allh pleyra na qewrei oti oloi einai idioi. Emeis exoyme deijei, edw kai ena xrono, oti se poly dyskoles synqhkes gia th xwra, kai gi ayto qa eprepe na apologeitai akomh o k. Samaras, staqhkame. To kefalaio poy onomazetai Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos, me th dieqnh toy antanaklash kai ajiopistia mas efere sth qesh poy briskomaste shmera, se poly kalyterh qesh apo ayth poy briskomastan polloys mhnes prin. Ara, oles aytes tis qewries, tis parafilologies, tis synomwsies poy einai jekaqara ceydh, tis epistrefoyme se aytoys poy kai tis epinooyn kai poy pisteyoyn oti mporoyn na paraplanhsoyn ton Ellhna polith me ayton ton tropo.

MIXAHL: Sas rwtaw, me dedomeno oti an, pragmati, to apotelesma twn perifereiakwn eklogwn einai arnhtiko gia thn kybernhsh, to krinete eseis arnhtiko, kai me dedomeno thn desmeysh toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti den exei allh epilogh apo to na epanazhthsei thn epananomimopoihsh apo ton ellhniko lao, mhpws to gegonos oti h N.D. to kalliergei, sas dhmioyrgei perissotero problhma kai enocei ths kalphs, alla kai sthn poreia efarmoghs toy Programmatos poy exete desmeytei.

PETALWTHS: Eimaste jekaqaroi apenanti ston ellhniko lao. O Prwqypoyrgos bghke kai milhse me kaqe eilikrineia. Apotypwse ta zhthmata kai ta problhmata ths xwras opws exoyn kai kalese ton ellhniko lao na antilhfqei, opws to antilambanetai edw kai polloys mhnes, kai na epananomimopoihsei mesa kai apo aytes tis ekloges thn chfo toy pros thn kybernhsh toy PA.SO.K.

Den yparxei kamia tash fyghs. Isa - isa, emeis apotypwnoyme ta problhmata, emeis ta paroysiazoyme ston ellhniko lao kai qetoyme toys pantes pro twn eyqynwn toys. Thn wrimothta, omws, poy deixnei o ellhnikos laos, kai einai mia ejairetikh wrimothta ayth poy deixnei ton teleytaio xrono, dystyxws den thn mimoyntai ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs, me prwth ap ola, fysika, th N.D.

KOYTRAS: Epeidh lete oti milate me eilikrineia kai h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos, mporeite na mas peite ti einai ayto poy qa barynei, wste to brady ths erxomenhs Kyriakhs na apofasistei an qa pame se prowres boyleytikes ekloges h oxi;

PETALWTHS: Eseis perimenete na poyme kapoio sygkekrimeno pososto. Ayto, omws, den symbainei giati, prwta apo ola, den exoyme eqnikes ekloges, exoyme perifereiakes ekloges, kai einai poly synqeto to zhthma na baloyme pososta h na baloyme enan sygkekrimeno phxh logw toy synqetoy twn ypochfiothtwn. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, einai jekaqaro oti kai krish exoyme oloi mas kai mporoyme na antilhfqoyme ta mhnymata poy qa steilei o ellhnikos laos thn Kyriakh twn eklogwn. Kai epeidh aytes oi ekloges den einai se ena tyxaio xrono, oyte einai tyxaies ekloges, ta mhnymata ayta kai ta symperasmata qa einai krisima, etsi wste na epanaprosdiorisoyme kai th stash mas apenanti se ayto to diakybeyma poy eqese o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos.

KOYTRAS: Me poio tropo qa ginei ayto; Den to katalabainoyme, oyte katalabainoyme ti paei na pei mhnyma. Dhladh, mhnyma einai an qa bgei o k. Sgoyros, as poyme; Einai mhnyma ean qa exete deka monades diafora apo th N.D.;

PETALWTHS: Den to periorizoyme se proswpa. Yparxei mia synolikh politikh pragmatikothta, thn opoia emeis qa staqmisoyme. Kai oson afora sta pososta, akribws ayto sas eipa. Den mporoyn na sygkriqoyn pososta eqnikwn eklogwn, me pososta aytodioikhtikwn eklogwn kai malista aytwn twn aytodioikhtikwn eklogwn poy exoyn idiaitero xarakthra. Alla, einai safes oti symperasmata mporei na bgoyn amesa kai ayto qa ginei.

MIXAHL: Ean, opws oles oi dhmoskophseis deixnoyn, xasei thn perifereia Attikhs, ayto qa qewrhqei politikh htta. An par` elpida, pali giati logw twn dhmoskophsewn, kerdisete thn kentrikh Makedonia, anti toy k. Cwmiadh, tote ti qa einai; Nikh toy PA.SO.K. h htta; Sas to lew giati einai sxetiko. Ayto ennow.

PETALWTHS: Den mporoyme na kanoyme ypoqeseis ergasias. Emeis exoyme ena safes politiko stigma. To exei dwsei me plhrh safhneia o Prwqypoyrgos. Den periorizomaste sto na bgaloyme symperasmata apo mia perifereia. Exoyme krish kai emeis kai o ellhnikos laos, etsi wste na mporoyme na bgaloyme ta symperasmata mas.

MOYRELATOS: Mas lete, dhladh, kyrie Ekproswpe, oti to brady twn eklogwn oysiastika h prooptikh prosfyghs ek neoy se boyleytikes ekloges, krinetai mono h ejartatai mono apo thn ermhneia poy qa dwsoyn to kaqe politiko komma xwrista sto apotelesma h thn ermhneia kapoiwn allwn kentrwn poy den ta onomatizete eseis h o Prwqypoyrgos;

PETALWTHS: Poiwn kentrwn, dhladh;

MOYRELATOS: Ayto einai h synaqroish olwn twn dedomenwn;

PETALWTHS: Kat` arxas, den gnwrizw an milhse kapoios gia kentra. Pantws, h kybernhsh den milhse gia kentra. H kybernhsh qa kanei thn analysh. H kybernhsh exei thn prwtoboylia twn kinhsewn. H kybernhsh eqese to megalo zhthma, th megalh barythta aytwn twn eklogwn. Kai fysika, h kybernhsh qa krinei ws pros ayta sta opoia exei desmeytei.

TSAKIRHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean exei h kybernhsh kryfh atzenta, opws leei o k. Samaras, gia meta tis ekloges, o opoios malista, me aformh kai ta osa eipe o k. Pagkalos, kalese ton Prwqypoyrgo, na ton diwjei apo thn kybernhsh.

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai to problhma toy k. Samara; Lyqhkan ola ta problhmata ths xwras, lyqhkan ta problhmata toy dikoy toy kommatos kai emeine to megalo qema gia ton k. Samara, na apopemfqei o k. Pagkalos. As dei, epiteloys, ta pragmatika problhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy. As dei, epiteloys, oti h N.D., to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, qa prepei na exei barynoysa shmasia shmera. Stereitai pantelws politikhs protashs, ensternizetai kai yioqetei dilhmmata ta opoia den exoyn kamia sxesh me th dikh ths politikh pragmatikothta kai meta na bazei kai qema apopomphs ypoyrgwn ayths ths kybernhshs.

TSAKIRHS: Kryfh atzenta, exete;

PETALWTHS: Kai o Prwqypoyrgos exei apanthsei kai egw exw apanthsei, oti safws den yparxei kryfh atzenta. Isa-isa, emeis eimaste aytoi poy antimetwpizoyme ta problhmata, ta apotypwnoyme me ton kalytero tropo kai se politiko epipedo, alla akomh kai se texniko, yphresiako epipedo, me th diafaneia kai me tis diadikasies na einai ``ola sto fws''. Thn kryfh atzenta kai tis kryfes diadikasies tis ekane h N.D. Den th mimoymaste.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Lete oti den exete kryfh atzenta kai oti den qa ferete nea metra. Par` ola ayta, o k. Pagkalos, sth synenteyjh poy edwse thn Kyriakh sto BHMA, shmeiwnei oti oi protaseis toy Probopoyloy, toy dieyqynth ths Trapezas ths Ellados, einai prajeis koinhs logikhs gia thn antimetwpish twn elleimmatwn. Qymizoyme oti exei milhsei gia perikoph twn kondyliwn gia ta KAPH, gia th metafora twn maqhtwn, gia peraiterw meiwsh misqwn kai syntajewn, gia apolyseis sto dhmosio tomea. Qa hqela ena sxolio, panw se ayto.

PETALWTHS: O k. Probopoylos einai dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados. Exei aytotelh qesmiko rolo kai h kybernhsh exei to diko ths syntagmatika katoxyrwmeno kai apofasistiko rolo. Ayto poy eipe o k. Pagkalos einai mia genikh anafora, thn exw diabasei kai leei kai alla pragmata. Fysika, den shmainei oti h kybernhsh taytizetai h oti ensternizomaste apolytws ayta poy leei o k. Probopoylos.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Sygnwmh, alla tis xarakthrizei prajeis koinhs logikhs, oi opoies malista, shmeiwnei sthn idia synenteyjh oti qa mporoysan na efarmostoyn, xwris na synanthsoyn basimh antirrhsh.

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa oti oi qesmikoi roloi einai diaforetikoi. Einai teleiws diaforetikos o rolos toy dioikhth ths Trapezas ths Ellados kai teleiws diaforetikos kai apofasistikos, bebaiws, o rolos ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Ekfrazei thn ellhnikh kybernhsh o k. Pagkalos;

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti exoyme ejantlhsei to qema.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Nai, alla exei diatypwsei kapoies sygkekrimenes protaseis. Ara, einai protaseis ths kybernhshs, aytes.

PETALWTHS: Sas anefera to plaisio sto opoio leitoyrgei h kybernhsh. Einai gnwsto kai qesmika kai politika.

LASKARATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos eipate oti qa synaqroisei to eklogiko apotelesma me alla dedomena gia na dei an qa pame oysiastika se prowres ekloges. Mporei kai ena qetiko, kata thn krish toy PA.SO.K., eklogiko apotelesma na mas paei se ekloges, an barynoyn dhladh ta ypoloipa dedomena, poy qa synaqroisei o Prwqypoyrgos;

PETALWTHS: Den eipa pote oti h kybernhsh exei proqesh na paei se ekloges, etsi anejarthta kai sta kala kaqoymena. H kybernhsh gnwrizei para poly kala se poso krisimh kamph briskomaste kai akribws epeidh ginontai aytodioikhtikes ekloges se ayto to xroniko shmeio, einai mia eykairia na epananomimopoihqei sth syneidhsh toy ellhnikoy laoy. Den qeloyme na kanoyme ekloges gia tis ekloges. Ta zhthmata ta eqese poly jekaqara o Prwqypoyrgos.

SPANOY: H kybernhsh exei staqmisei tis synepeies gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia, apo endexomenh prosfygh se prowrh eqnikh kalph kai poia einai ayth h apotimhsh poy exete kanei; Ti qa symbei sthn ellhnikh oikonomia;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, me plhrh ypeyqynothta, opws kanoyme edw kai ena xrono, staqmizoyme ta panta. Den qetoyme se kindyno thn koinwnikh eirhnh kai thn oikonomia, kyriws, ths xwras mas, giati gnwrizoyme poly kala pws apotrecame th xreokopia ths xwras mas kai pws fqasame na milame pleon gia qetikh poreia kai qetikh ejelijh twn oikonomikwn pragmatwn ths xwras mas.

NEDOS: Meta ton k. Pagkalo kai th dhlwsh toy sto BHMA THS KYRIAKHS, peri epanadiapragmateyshs toy xreoys, exoyme kai mia deyterh dhlwsh kybernhtikoy stelexoys, xqes, toy k. Mpeglith, o opoios anaferei safws oti yfistatai ayto to endexomeno. Poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs; Telika yparxei tetoia syzhthsh h apla einai se qewrhtiko epipedo;

PETALWTHS: H opoia syzhthsh yparxei, einai kaqara se qewrhtiko epipedo. H kybernhsh exei ekfrastei. O idios o Prwqypoyrgos apekleise to endexomeno ths anadiarqrwshs toy xreoys. H syzhthsh poy yparxei, opws akomh kai gia thn epimhkynsh ths apoplhrwmhs twn daneiwn mas einai qewrhtikh. Den yparxei kanena epishmo aithma, den yparxei kati poy na mporoyme na milhsoyme sygkekrimena, ayth th stigmh. Alla, gia thn anadiarqrwsh toy xreoys, den yfistatai tetoio zhthma, einai jekaqaro.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Ean apofasisete na pate se prowres ekloges, oi allages poy exete ejaggeilei qa proxwrhsoyn; Dhladh, stis astikes sygkoinwnies, sto anoigma twn kleistwn epaggelmatwn, oles aytes oi megales diarqrwtikes allages qa proxwrhsoyn;

PETALWTHS: Kamia allagh den prokeitai na paei pisw. Einai jekaqaro oxi giati aplws einai epilogh mas kai programmatikh malista epilogh, alla giati gnwrizoyme oti xwris aytes tis megales allages den mporoyme na jeperasoyme thn krish. Einai allages poy qa eprepe na ginoyn edw kai para polla xronia. Einai katastaseis tis opoies antimetwpizoyme kai oi opoies afeqhkan na fqasoyn s ayto to shmeio, etsi wste shmera na tis antimetwpizoyme me ayto ton tropo. Den stamatame to ergo mas kai malista otan prokeitai gia programmatikes desmeyseis mas, etsi wste h xwra na mporei na paei mprosta, apallagmenh apo paqogeneies kai kyriws na mporei na staqei sta podia ths. Alla kai na mhn klhrodothsoyme stis epomenes genies terastia xreh, terasties mayres trypes, oi opoies den synodeyontai kai me antistoixes paroxes pros toys polites.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Toylaxiston thn troika kai me tis epitages poy yparxoyn: To qema twn astikwn sygkoinwniwn htan na anoijei mexri to telos toy xronoy, kaqws kai to qema twn epidomatwn ston dhmosio tomea kai stis DEKO. Ean pame se ekloges, to piqanotero senario einai na pame 12 Dekembrioy. Mexri tote, dhladh, qa anoijete eseis se proeklogikh periodo, gia paradeigma, to qema twn astikwn sygkoinwniwn;

PETALWTHS: Twra kai pali milame ypoqetika. Milame san na phgainoyme se ekloges ayrio. Edw teqhke ena zhthma, teqhke ena diakybeyma ths nomimopoihshs toy polith gia to poly megalo ergo poy epiteloyme kai as meinoyme ekei. Pantws, eimaste apofasismenoi na mhn diasaleyqei olh ayth h oikonomikh, dhmosionomikh kai qesmikh staqerothta, thn opoia, ws kybernhsh, efarmozoyme edw kai tosoys mhnes.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, filojenoyntai shmera ston Typo plhrofories apo to DNT oti qa mas proteinoyn thn epimhkynsh ths apoplhrwmhs twn daneiwn kata 5 xronia, me ena prosqeto epitokio ths tajews toy 0,7% . Yparxei epishmo eggrafo;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei tipota epishmo. Einai senaria. Mas endiaferei na thrhsoyme aparegklita toys stoxoys mas. Oso jefeygoyme apo toys stoxoys, jefeygoyme kai apo th staqerothta thn opoia epidiwkoyme. Ayto kanoyme pros stigmhn kai qeloyme na to kanoyme kala.

KOYTRAS: Epitrecte moy na parathrhsw oti den throyntai para poly oi stoxoi, kaqws yparxei megalh trypa sta esoda.

PETALWTHS: Oi stoxoi throyntai. Oytws h allws, kataballetai mia megalh prospaqeia gia na throyntai. Alla akomh kai ayth h mayrh trypa poy yparxei sta esoda, ean kaqisoyme kai doyme analytika ti akribws perimenoyme, kai moy didetai mia eykairia gia na to pw, ti esoda akomh perimenoyme mexri to telos toy xronoy. Yparxei h pepoiqhsh oti o stoxos twn esodwn qa kalyfqei. Hdh, apo ta proypologismena esoda, dhladh ta 52,7 dis, exoyn eispraxqei mexri stigmhs ta 41 dis, epomenws menoyn 11,7 dis. Alla perimenoyme esoda apo to Eniaio Telos Akinhtwn (ETAK), apo ton Foro Megalhs Akinhths Perioysias (FMAP), apo ta Telh Kykloforias kai apo thn peraiwsh. Synepws, an synypologisei kaneis ola ayta, qa dei kai qa apodeixqei sto telos oti eimaste mesa stoys stoxoys mas.

POLYMEROS: Thn idia wra poy entos kai ektos Ellados analytes kanoyn logo gia piqanh ptwxeysh ths xwras mas - kai oxi mono ths xwras mas, alla kai ths Portogalias kai ths Irlandias- shmera, me dhmosieyma toys, oi Financial Times epikaloyntai krish toy Oikoy Ajiologhshs Moody s, o opoios, oyte ligo oyte poly, legei oti einai piqanh h apofygh ths ptwxeyshs. Telikws, ti apo ta dyo isxyei; Eseis to exete katalabei sthn kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Blepoyme kai parakoloyqoyme tis diafores qewries, ta diafora senaria, tis diafores ektimhseis poy diatypwnontai. Ayto poy mas afora kai mas endiaferei einai na throyme aparegklita toys stoxoys mas.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qewreite tyxaio to gegonos oti mia ebdomada, liges meres prin anoijoyn oi kalpes, exoyn epanemfanisqei fainomena tromokratias; To erwtw ayto, dioti orismena kommata legoyn oti sthnetai epithdes ena skhniko sto qema ths tromokratias.

PETALWTHS: An mas elegan kai poioi to sthnoyn ayto to skhniko, qa htan kala. En pash periptwsei, exoyme dei qewries synwmosias. Einai gnwsto oti kapoioi katafeygoyn sth qewria ths synwmosias gia na apodeijoyn kai na isxyropoihsoyn kapoies apoceis toys. To mono poy mporoyme na kanoyme ayth th stigmh einai na katadikasoyme to gegonos ayto kai sygxronws na afhsoyme thn Astynomia na kanei th doyleia ths -poy opws fainetai thn kanei kala mexri stigmhs- kai as meinoyme ekei.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo sas apogeyma.

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