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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 8 Oktwbrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 293264722

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 8 Oktwbrioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

To ergo poy epitelesthke kai epiteleitai aytoys toys 12 mhnes ths kybernhshs toy PASOK einai spoydaio. Den yparxei omoio apo kybernhseis se toso syntomo xroniko diasthma. Shmera, pername se mia nea fash. O agwnas poy dinoyme shmera kai ejakoloyqoyme na dinoyme, den einai aplws gia na meiwsoyme ta xreh kai ta elleimmata, den einai aplws gia na thrhsoyme kapoies typikes ypoxrewseis ths xwras mas apenanti se etairoys. Einai gia na allajoyme oristika thn Ellada, gia na afhsoyme pisw tis paqogeneies, tis streblwseis toy parelqontos poy mas odhghsan edw kai na apokatasthsoyme tis megales koinwnikes adikies.

Shmera, mporoyme na eimaste aisiodojoi. O synagermos den exei lhjei. Yparxei, omws, prooptikh. To 2011 qa einai enas ejisoy krisimos xronos. H poreia mas synexizetai, o agwnas gia mia diaforetikh Ellada einai akomh pio epikairos. H stoxeysh mas, h stoxeysh ths kybernhshs einai jekaqarh: Biwsimh anaptyjh, pronoia, ajiokratia, diafaneia, logodosia, eynomia, orizonties politikes gia thn ajiopoihsh twn pleonekthmatwn ths xwras, alla kai thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn kai twn proteraiothtwn gia na petyxoyme tis megales allages ths xwras.

Se ayth th dyskolh poreia, eimaste pepeismenoi oti exoyme mazi mas ton ellhniko lao. Kai aytes tis qysies toy ellhnikoy laoy, emeis tis sebomaste kai den qa afhsoyme kanenan na tis apajiwsei, prokeimenoy na yparxei sto politiko sterewma.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, emeis prepei na pistecoyme ton pyrosbesth, o opoios leei oti den qa lhfqoyn nea metra gia to 2010 h to neroyla poy fernei to nero gia na sbhstei h fwtia, o opoios leei oti qa lhfqoyn nea metra, me aformh thn anaqewrhsh toy elleimmatos pros ta panw.

PETALWTHS: O neroylas poios einai akribws;

KOYTRAS: To DNT, h troika.

PETALWTHS: Giati eipa, mhpws mperdeyoyme ton emprhsth me to neroyla. Omologoymenws, ayto to sxhma einai wraio.

KOYTRAS: Den anefera emprhsth, egw.

PETALWTHS: Yparxei o emprhsths poy einai safws h Nea Dhmokratia, yparxei kai o pyrosbesths poy einai h kybernhsh. Profanws, ennoeite tis dhlwseis toy k. Stros - Kan. Epeidh tis diabasa leptomerws kai tis exoyme oloi diabasei, qa prepei na tonisoyme oti o k. Stros - Kan anaferetai se pragmatikothtes.

Prwton, diatypwnetai h apoch gia thn kalh poreia ths kybernhshs kai ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai malista einai qetiko oti to DNT anagnwrizei oti eimaste kai pio mprosta stoys stoxoys mas. Kai fysika o k. Stros - Kan den ekane tipote allo, apo to na ekfrasei gia allh mia fora, th dysareskeia, ayth poy eisprattame olo ayto to xroniko diasthma, gia ta parapoihmena stoixeia poy edine h N.D stoys etairoys mas. Fainetai, loipon, oti o k. Samaras einai o monadikos anqrwpos ston kosmo poy amfisbhtei oti to elleimma einai ayto poy dinoyme shmera kai qelei na mas peisei oti htan ayto poy edine h N.D. Gia allh mia fora erxetai h pragmatikothta na ton diaceysei kai na epibebaiwsei, dystyxws, oloys emas poy milame gia th megalh ejapathsh ths N.D, pros ton ellhniko lao, giati ayto htan. H N.D, nomizontas oti qa ejapathsei toys etairoys, ejapatoyse ton ellhniko lao. Kai gia aytes tis energeies ths N.D, ths ejapathshs, ths paraplanhshs kai ths parapoihshs stoixeiwn, plhrwnoyme akomh kai shmera kai fainetai oti yparxei baqos se ayto. Kai erxetai h Eyrwpaikh Statistikh Yphresia, gia na mas pei oti to elleimma oxi aplws den htan ayto poy edine h N.D, alla symfwna me ta nea stoixeia einai akomh megalytero kai ap` ayto poy blepoyme mexri shmera. Einai pragmatika lyphro kai odynhro na prokaloyntai tetoioy eidoys dhlwseis, ejaitias ths anajiopistias kai ths paraplanhtikhs symperiforas ths N.D otan htan kybernhsh. O k. Stros - Kan diapistwse, gia allh mia fora, oti h zhmia poy ekane h kybernhsh ths N.D ston topo mas exei megalytero baqos, ap` ayto poy pisteyame mexri shmera. Kai anti na to antilhfqei ayto h N.D kai toylaxiston apo edw kai pera na exei ena stoixeiwdws sobaro rolo sthn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, akomh kai shmera epimenei se mia politikh amfisbhthsh.

KOYTRAS: Egw rwthsa ean qa lhfqoyn nea metra. Giati o k. Kan ektos apo tis diapistwseis oti h oikonomia paei kala, eipe oti qa doyme an qa lhfqoyn nea metra, th stigmh poy o Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, to apekleise kathgorhmatika.

PETALWTHS: Kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn kai egw apo dw, apo thn aiqoysa ths enhmerwshs twn politikwn syntaktwn, exoyme apokleisei rhta oti qa yparxoyn nea metra, para to gegonos oti to elleimma poy mas afhse h N.D einai megalytero telika apo oso ypologizame mexri twra. H anajiopistia ths xwras mas exei anataxqei. Epanerxomaste sthn ajiopistia. Alla ayta ta shmadia anajiopistias poy biwname, epanerxontai logw ths diakybernhshs ths N.D. Parola ayta, emeis exoyme dhlwsei oti ayto gia to opoio eimaste sigoyroi einai oti den qa yparxoyn nea metra kai oti h opoia epiptwsh aytoy toy neoy elleimmatos, ths neas anaqewrhshs toy elleimmatos, qa einai tetoio poy den qa exei sobarh epidrash sthn politikh mas.

KOYTRAS: Me poia logikh h kybernhsh ayjanei ta xamhla timologia ths DEH kai elafrynei ta ychla timologia, poy swsto kata toys perissoteroys, bebaiws, oti sta ychla timologia ypagontai kapoies epixeirhseis. Wstoso, ta xamhlotera kai mesaia eisodhmata qa epibarynqoyn.

PETALWTHS: Den einai etsi. Prwta ap` ola, qa prepei na qesoyme to plaisio poy ginontai aytes oi ayjhseis kai aytes oi meiwseis. Giati ginontai kai meiwseis, isws kai megalyteres apo tis ayjhseis, tis opoies, omws, den tis akoyme. Qa prepei na tonisw oti edw yparxei ena genikotero plaisio ejorqologismoy twn synolikwn xrewsewn twn logariasmwn toy hlektrikoy reymatos. Qa prepei na tonisw oti emeis ws antirrophsh aytwn twn ayjhsewn, oi opoies einai logiko na ginontai, giati exoyn xronia na ginoyn ayjhseis apo th DEH, sto plaisio toy ejorqologismoy ths agoras ths hlektrikhs energeias, lambanoyme tetoia metra antirrophshs, poy bohqoyn kai prostateyoyn toys adynamoys, toys mesaioys katanalwtes, alla kai polles apo tis epixeirhseis, oi opoies shmera antimetwpizoyn problhma epibiwshs.

Xarakthristika, qa moy epitrecete na anaferw kapoia shmeia. Prwta ap` ola, na epanalabw oti emeis parexoyme ena isxyro dixty prostasias gia ekeinoys toys oikiakoys katanalwtes, alla kai tis mikres kai mesaies epixeirhseis poy plhttontai idiaitera apo tis shmerines oikonomikes synqhkes. Na sas anaferw ws paradeigma, oti peripoy 1,2 ekat. oikiakoi pelates qa exoyn meiwsh ews kai 20%, mesw toy koinwnikoy oikiakoy timologioy. Ena ekatommyrio epipleon mikres epixeirhseis, oi opoies plhttontai apo thn oikonomikh krish, qa exoyn meiwsh ths tajhs toy 5%-18%. Aytes einai oi meiwseis oi opoies einai shmantikotates kai aforoyn ekatommyria sympolites mas, poy exoyn oikonomiko problhma, alla kai ena ekatommyrio, peripoy, mikres kai mesaies epixeirhseis. H ayjhsh 13,7% stis xamhles katanalwseis den afora sthn pragmatikothta tis xamhles katanalwseis twn oikiakwn katanalwtwn, giati aytoi oytws h allws, exoyn meiwsh 20% mesw toy koinwnikoy timologioy. Aforoyn perissotero se poly xamhles katanalwseis poy exoyn na kanoyn me ejoxika spitia, me kleistes oikies kai me oikies poy xrhsimopoioyntai kapoies ebdomades to xrono. Ekei, omws, milame gia eisodhmata ta opoia den einai xamhla, einai ychla, giati ta xamhla eisodhmata prostateyontai kai me meiwsh 20% epipleon. Epishs, anamesa se ayta ta noymera poy sas anefera, na shmeiwsw oti oi ayjhseis poy ginontai sta oikiaka timologia, einai ths tajews toy 2,6%. Enw oi meiwseis einai mexri kai 20%. Na shmeiwqei oti aytes oi ayjhseis einai sto miso toy ethsioy plhqwrismoy kai den exoyn ayjhqei apo to 2008. Ara, an dei kaneis thn pragmatikothta, pera apo toys phxyaioys titloys ``gia ayjhseis fwtia'' sto reyma, qa diapistwsei oti ekatommyria sympolitwn mas, einai aytoi poy epwfeloyntai apo aytes tis nees ryqmiseis, giati meiwnontai oi xrewseis twn timologiwn toys. Kai oi ayjhseis poy eprepe na ginoyn, oytws h allws, einai stoxeymenes. Den aforoyn xamhla kai mesaia eisodhmata. Ara, yparxei h deoysa koinwnikh dikaiosynh kai se ayto to metro.

KOYTRAS: Afoy parathrhsw oti otan hsastan antipoliteysh kai h prohgoymenh dioikhsh elege gia ayjhseis, eixate bgei sta ``kagkela'', na to pw etsi, qelw na sas rwthsw, ti akribws...

PETALWTHS: Kai ejakoloyqoyme na eimaste, otan milame gia ayjhseis. Gi` ayto, akribws, kanoyme kai tis poly megales meiwseis.

KOYTRAS: Qelw na sas rwthsw, ti qa ginei me ta nosokomeia, poy yparxei terastio problhma.

PETALWTHS: Gia ta nosokomeia, sas anefera kai sthn prohgoymenh enhmerwsh, oti o armodios ypoyrgos Ygeias, k. Loberdos, exei dwsei to stigma, to ti kanoyme me ta nosokomeia. Exei dwsei th rhth diabebaiwsh - giati proxwraei me poly grhgoroys ryqmoys- oti qa yparxoyn mhxanorganwmena nosokomeia mesa sto 2010. Hdh, ginontai polles meiwseis stis dapanes, stis spatales twn nosokomeiwn. Kai ayto mporei na to dei kaneis, an parei ta noymera. Hdh, gia prwth fora, elegxontai oi promhqeies. Hdh, gia prwth fora, exoyme giatroys kai farmakopoioys poy exoyn sxesh me th dhmosia ygeia, na exoyn tis katallhles kyrwseis, otan syntagografoyn, se mia mera, farmaka ajias 250.000 eyrw. Kai ola ayta ekporeyontai mesa apo paragontes ths ygeias oi opoioi den throyn ton orko toys. Kai fysika, otan mhxanorganwqoyn ta nosokomeia - poy epanalambanw mesa sto Dekembrio qa exoyme tetoia mhxanorganwsh- qa kleisoyme aytes tis trypes twn nosokomeiwn. Einai gnwsto, oti to Eqniko Systhma Ygeias xreiazetai anamorfwsh. H kybernhsh badizei pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Ayta ta xreh poy brhkame einai terastia, alla kai se ayta proxwrame me gnwmona th diafaneia kai to sebasmo twn xrhmatwn toy ellhnikoy laoy, alla kai toy megalyteroy agaqoy, ths ygeias twn politwn.

SPANOY: O ``Flash'' metedwse mia ereyna gia ta nosokomeia kai h eikona poy kategrace to reportaz einai sxedon tritokosmikh, se sxesh me thn ejyphrethsh poy lete. Thn idia wra, o ypoyrgos Ygeias apeilei oti qa paraithqei, ean den exei ekplhrwsei toy stoxoys toy se ena sygkekrimeno xronodiagramma. Exoyme, dhladh, enan ypoyrgo ypo proqesmia kai problhmata ta opoia den antapokrinontai stis proeklogikes sas desmeyseis.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den yphrxe periptwsh na ginoyn aytes oi terasties allages sthn ygeia mesa se ena xrono. To qema einai oti emeis dromologoyme aytes tis allages. Epanalambanw oti oi dapanes kai oi spatales exoyn perioristei kata poly. Hdh, kaqe hmera anakoinwnontai ston Typo kai gnwrizete, kalytera apo emena, ti ginetai sta nosokomeia kai ti spatales perikoptontai. Fysika, anagnwrizoyme oti to zhthma einai terastio, oxi aplws megalo. Einai mia ``mayrh trypa'' h opoia aporrofa xrhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy kai fysika xwris na yparxei h antistoixh kai h analogh paroxh yphresiwn ygeias. Ayto einai dedomeno kai to gnwrizoyme. Den symfwnw, bebaia, oti ta nosokomeia ths xwras mas exoyn ola tritokosmikes synqhkes paroxhs yphresiwn, alla sigoyra den einai opws qelame kai opws qa eprepe na einai.

O de k. Loberdos den einai ypoyrgos epi proqesmia. Ypo proqesmia, qetei ta problhmata ston tomea ths ygeias. Kai epeidh o tomeas ths ygeias einai shmantikotatos, poly kala kanei kai qetei etsi to zhthma. Den yparxei periptwsh na einai ypo proqesmia o k. Loberdos, alla ta zhthmata mono otan ta baloyme ypo proqesmia, mono tote epilyontai. Kai epeidh h prospaqeia ayths ths kybernhshs exei arxisei edw kai ena xrono, para tis terasties dyskolies poy antimetwpizoyme ws xwra kai ws oikonomia, einai zhthma xronoy na doyme tis poly megales allages poy qa ginoyn kai ston tomea ths ygeias. Kai hdh tis blepoyme.

XIDIROGLOY: Na sas paw se ena allo qema. Yparxei mia asafeia gia th symfwnies me tis HPA, poy aforoyn se antallagh proswpikwn dedomenwn. To qema einai poly sobaro. Diabazoyme ston Typo oti akomh kai h aplh ypocia, mporei na odhghsei se fakelwma me ypokeimenika krithria. H erwthsh moy einai h ejhs: Xrhsimopoiei h kybernhsh to proodeytiko, ideologikopolitiko ths alloqi gia na paradidei Ellhnes polites borra sta xeria dieqnwn kentrwn planhtikoy elegxoy;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, ws xwra, yperaspizomaste th Dhmokratia. Apo ekei kai pera, ta proswpika dedomena diasfalizontai kai ejasfalizontai. Yparxei h Arxh Prostasias twn Proswpikwn Dedomenwn, h opoia leitoyrgei, kai kamia energeia den ginetai apo dhmosio forea, apo dhmosia yphresia, apo dhmosio leitoyrgo, ean den throyntai ayta poy orizei o nomos peri proswpikwn dedomenwn. Kai fysika, en prokeimenw, ep aytwn poy anaferete, o gnwmonas einai h dhmosia asfaleia ths xwras mas kai fysika se synarthsh me thn proaspish twn atomikwn dikaiwmatwn toy polith.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, paroti eseis fortwsate tis eyqynes sth diakybernhsh ths ND gia thn katastash poy brisketai h xwra kai paroti o Prwqypoyrgos kati analogo yposthrije, xqes, milwntas sthn Koinoboyleytikh toy Omada, o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs k. Samaras, meta tayta, yposthrije oti ceydetai o Prwqypoyrgos otan leei oti h kybernhsh ths ND eyqynetai gia thn oikonomikh krish poy dierxetai h xwra. Pws to sxoliazete ayto;

PETALWTHS: Parathroyme teleytaia, oti prokeimenoy na syspeirwsei toys chfoforoys ths h N.D kai na peisei oti pragmatika exei politikh, enw den exei, etero-prosdiorizetai synexws apenanti sthn kybernhsh. H ypokrisia ths den exei orio. Otan o k. Samaras kathgorei ton Prwqypoyrgo, k. Papandreoy, oti leei cemata, otan akomh kai shmera h erwthsh poy egine apo synadelfo sas gia ta stoixeia poy mas dinei h Eurostat h opoia leei -kai fainetai oti h ypokrisia ths N.D htan akomh megalyterh- oti ta parapoihmena stoixeia poy estelnan stoys etairoys mas einai akomh megalytera apo ayta poy exoyme apokalycei mexri shmera kai exoyn apokalyfqei, fysika, tote nomizw oti ayto ta leei ola. O k. Samaras erxetai na pei, oti otan elege, o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos twra kai tote, ws arxhgos ths antipoliteyshs oti lefta yparxoyn, elege cemata. H alhqeia, omws, einai gnwsth kai dystyxws egine gnwsth me to xeirotero tropo se olh th xwra kai se oloys mas. Prwta ap` ola, o Giwrgos Papandreoy, ws arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, otan elege oti xrhmata yparxoyn, rwtoyse epimonws -kai qymomaste kai sto proeklogiko ntimpeit- ton k. Karamanlh, poy phgan ta lefta. Kaloyse ton k. Karamanlh, estw kai tis teleytaies hmeres, prin tis ekloges, na mas pei, poy phgan ta lefta. Anti na mas pei ayto, h kybernhsh ths N.D estelne dyo hmeres prin tis ekloges, entelws parapoihmena stoixeia sthn E.E.

Emeis, erxomaste shmera kai leme: Exoyme pleon mia Eqnikh Statistikh Arxh, h opoia einai anejarthth, einai antikeimenikh, h opoia poreyetai me tis arxes ths diafaneias. Exoyme, pleon, mia plhrh ajiopistia apenanti se olo ton kosmo kai ayto to ekmetalleyomaste gia na swsoyme th xwra mas. Kai fysika, o k. Samaras ean den qelei na mas pei, poy phgan ta lefta, emeis to blepoyme.

Ta lefta phgan:

-sta omologa twn stelexwn ths N.D, poy ta poyloysan sthn kyriolejia me eyteles antitimo

-phgan sto Batopedio, otan dhmosia perioysia xarizotan se symferonta, oxi ths monhs oysiastika, alla se ergolabika symferonta gyrw apo th monh

- stis xiliades epitropes twn ameibomenwn stelexwn ths N.D, tis opoies emeis hrqame kai katarghsame th xrhmatodothsh toys. Den pairnoyn misqoys, pleon, osoi symmetexoyn se aytes

-stis dhmosies etairies, opws h AGROGH, poy stelexwqhkan me adiafaneis diadikasies.

Otan emeis kataferame mesa se ena xrono me aples kinhseis na kanoyme mia ejoikonomhsh 50% stis dapanes toy dhmosioy, periorisame th spatalh kata 50% kai exoyme na kanoyme akomh perissotero ergo.

Ara, den yparxei megalyterh apodeijh oti lefta yphrxan. Kai fysika, ejakoloyqoyn na yparxoyn lefta sto ellhniko kratos, sto dhmosio kai mono me mia swsth diaxeirish kai kyriws me swsth politikh poy askei h kybernhsh toy PASOK, mporoyn ayta ta lefta na pane pros ofelos toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ara, o k. Samaras as brei na pei kati poio prwtotypo, giati kaqe hmera diaceydetai apo ta gegonota.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh briskomaste ligotero apo ena mhna prin apo ton prwto gyro twn aytodioikhtikwn eklogwn, qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean ayth h klimakoymenh kritikh poy blepoyme oti ejapolyei h N.D. kata ths kybernhshs to teleytaio dekapenqhmero sas anhsyxei se oti afora to brady twn eklogwn toso toy prwtoy oso kai toy deyteroy gyroy.

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy mas anhsyxei mono einai h poreia twn pragmatwn ths xwras mas. Gia ayto eimaste tagmenoi apo ton ellhniko lao. Ayth th doyleia kanoyme kai pisteyoyme oti thn kanoyme kala. Mas endiaferei na exoyme mia ajiopisth xwra. Mas endiaferei na swsoyme th xwra kai hdh se poly megalo baqmo to exoyme kataferei. Mas endiaferei na orqopodhsoyme dhmosionomika, etsi wste na mporei na anebei to biotiko epipedo toy ellhnikoy laoy kai na stamathsoyn aytes oi qysies poy anagkastika yfistatai. Kai kyriws na petyxoyn oi poly megales allages poy dromologoyme kai hdh kanoyme, gia na exoyme mia diaforetikh Ellada meta to jeperasma ths krishs. H N.D. exei epilejei na epitiqetai me ena tropo poy den antexei sth stoixeiwdh logikh kai sth stoixeiwdh krish toy Ellhna polith, prokeimenoy na deijei oti yparxei. Emeis thn exoyme kalesei polles fores na synainesei stis megales allages, na antilhfqei epiteloys sthn prajh ayto poy eipe kapote o k. Samaras ws syggnwmh, alla profanws oi symboyloi toy den ton afhsan na synexisei, giati eidan oti den mporoyn na paragoyn ajiopisto politiko logo. Ara, janagyrizoyn pali se politikes polwshs. Apantame sth N.D. giati den mporoyme na afhnoyme na aiwroyntai toso terastia cemata. Ayto poy mas endiaferei, omws, einai na paragoyme to ergo, gia to opoio mas exei desmeysei o Ellhnas poliths. Kai fysika ayto to ergo exei apotelesmata. Gia ayto ergazomaste kai ayto prosdokoyme.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to ergo ayto emperikleiei kai ton ``Kallikrath'', dhladh kai tis ekloges. Egw rwthsa gia tis ekloges.

PETALWTHS: Den qa epanalabw ayto poy lene oloi, gia th megalh pleiochfia stis aytodioikhtikes ekloges poy anamenoyn na yparxei sto PASOK. Ayto einai kati poy qa kriqei thn hmera twn eklogwn. Emeis leme oti oi ekloges toy ``Kallikrath'' einai kaqara politikes ekloges. Kaname mia epanastash sthn Topikh Aytodioikhsh kai sto epiteliko kratos, giati eprepe na thn kanoyme. Einai apo tis megales allages poy orizoyn kai thn oikonomia ths xwras mas, me amesh epiptwsh kai sto epipedo zwhs toy Ellhna polith. Ayto einai to megalo wfelhma gia th xwra. Kai epeidh kaname epiloges ikanwn anqrwpwn poy qeloyn na yphrethsoyn thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh, poy sto proswpo toys sygklinoyn oi megales koinwnikes omades ths xwras mas, pisteyoyme oti ayto qa antameifqei kai apo ton ellhniko lao.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, parola ayta pisteyw oti apo to eklogiko apotelesma agontai politika symperasmata, to opoio eklogiko apotelesma yparxei gia thn kybernhsh.

PETALWTHS: Ola ta eklogika apotelesmata exoyn thn ajia toys, eite einai aytodioikhtikes ekloges kai fysika kata meizona logo oi eqnikes ekloges poy orizoyn kai to poia qa einai kybernhsh toy topoy. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, sas eipa oti gia emas to megalo bhma egine: Egine o ``Kallikraths''. H megalh proklhsh einai na petyxei o ``Kallikraths'', einai para poly shmantiko. Fysika, emeis qeloyme na epilegoyn apo ton Ellhna polith ekeinoi oi topikoi syndyasmoi kai stis dhmotikes ekloges kai stis airetes perifereies, poy qa qeloyn kai qa mporoyn na ylopoihsoyn th megalh epanastash toy ``Kallikrath''. Eimaste aisiodojoi oti to apotelesma qa mas dikaiwsei th bradia twn eklogwn.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw pote qa anakoinwqoyn kai giati kaqysteroyn, me dedomenh th krisimothta twn aytodioikhtikwn eklogwn, ta onomata twn ypochfiwn antiperifereiarxwn sto chfodeltio ths Attikhs kai an o k. Fasoylas qa einai ypochfios antiperifereiarxhs.

PETALWTHS: Ayto den to gnwrizw. Den mporw na sas pw gia to poios qa einai antiperifereiarxhs. Einai gnwsto oti yparxoyn diadikasies, ginontai oi katallhles epejergasies twn chfodeltiwn se olh th xwra. Kai fysika sto plaisio ayto qa anakoinwqoyn kai oi ypochfioi antiperifereiarxes kai ths perifereias Attikhs.

MPEQANH: O ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn k. Papakwnstantinoy stis synenteyjeis toy stis HPA, milhse gia to megalo endiaferon apo etairies entos kai ektos Eyrwphs gia thn Ellada kai ypogrammise oti yparxei mia toylaxiston etairia apo thn Eyrwph, poy endiaferetai gia ta ELTA. Gnwrizoyme perissotera stoixeia;

PETALWTHS: O k. Papakwnstantinoy edwse mia synenteyjh se mia efhmerida stis HPA, opoy dinei to stigma ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai ths shmerinhs ellhnikhs pragmatikothtas. Dinei ena genikotero stigma oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei dexqei eyry endiaferon apo etairies entos kai ektos Eyrwphs gia symmetoxh h plhrh idiokthsia se dhmosies epixeirhseis sthn Ellada. Ayto symplhrwnei to endiaferon xwrwn poy hdh drasthriopoioyntai sthn Ellada, opws h Kina kai ta Hnwmena Arabika Emirata. Sto plaisio ayto eipe oti exei ekdhlwqei endiaferon apo mia megalh etairia kai gia ta ELTA, alla ayto einai kati to opoio den einai wrimo akomh na ajiologhqei. Ekeino poy menei, omws, kai einai poly shmantiko, einai oti yparxei mia pragmatikothta poy deixnei oti oi jenoi ependytes shmera endiaferontai na ependysoyn sthn Ellada. Kai ayto exei na kanei me thn ajiopistia thn opoia kataktame mera me thn hmera.

MIXAHL: Askeitai mia kritikh ston k. Papakwnstantinoy kai se kybernhtika stelexh oti aytoy toy eidoys tis anaggelies tis kanoyn sto ejwteriko kai oxi sto eswteriko ths xwras. Nai men gia na dwsoyn to stigma stis agores, giati ayto exei proteraiothta twra, wstoso oi synepeies ths opoiasdhpote efarmoghs qa aforoyn to eswteriko ths xwras. Ti apantate se ayto;

PETALWTHS: O k. Papakwnstantinoy den eipe tipote kainoyrgio. Den anakoinwse kamia apofash ths kybernhshs. Kai den eipe tipote allo, apo ayto poy leme kai emeis edw. Yparxei mia diaforetikh pragmatikothta shmera sthn Ellada kai fysika ayto prepei na legetai sto ejwteriko, giati ekei, pragmatika, ginetai h megalh zymwsh gia tis jenes ependyseis, ekei kataktatai, toylaxiston se ena baqmo, h ajiopistia ths xwras mas. Einai shmantiko oti aytos o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn, opws kai alla stelexh ths kybernhshs - kai fysika poly perissotero apo oloys o Prwqypoyrgos - mporei na steketai sto ejwteriko, mporei na synomilei kai mporei na peiqei toys etairoys h kai thn pagkosmia koinh gnwmh. To klima pleon, sthn Ellada einai teleiws diaforetiko apo ayto twn prohgoymenwn mhnwn.

MARAQIAS: Hqela na sas rwthsw pws aisqaneste ws sosialistikh kybernhsh, otan oi biomhxanoi yioqetoyn ta synqhmata sas, opws h xqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Daskalopoyloy oti prepei na allajoyme giati boyliazoyme.

PETALWTHS: Emeis ws sosialistikh kybernhsh eimaste yperhfanoi gia to megalo ergo poy kanoyme. Gia to oti swsame th xwra apo to xeilos ths xreokopias poy mas eixe ferei h kybernhsh ths N.D., oti prowqoyme tis megales allages, oti peiqoyme ton ellhniko lao pws oi qysies poy yfistatai pianoyn topo. Kai hdh blepoyme oti yparxei prooptikh. Parolo poy o agwnas einai krisimos, h poreia ths xwras mas einai ejisoy krisimh. To poios antilambanetai kai to pws antilambanetai, kai malista enas paragwgikos foreas, thn prospaqeia poy kanoyme, einai qema toy kaqenos kai makari oloi na mporesoyn na to antilhfqoyn me ton idio tropo.

KOYTRAS: Shmera sthn KAQHMERINH, symboylos toy Toyrkoy prwqypoyrgoy proteinei na paraithqei h xwra mas apo ta dwdeka milia kai na stamathsei apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias, leei, to casus belli. Kai opws anaferei sygkekrimena, leei oti to oysiastiko zhthma einai pws qa moirastei to Aigaio ws meros ths synolikhs dieyqethshs. Yparxei kapoio sxolio;

PETALWTHS: Emeis ayto poy exoyme na poyme einai oti h Ellada exei ypogracei kai exei kyrwsei th symbash gia to Dikaio ths qalassas mazi me alles peripoy 160 xwres. Synepws, eimaste symfwnoi kai nomimoi kai syntassomeqa me to Dieqnes Dikaio, to opoio einai kai eyrwpaiko kekthmeno. Na tonisoyme gia allh mia fora oti einai aparadekto shmera to 2010 na milame gia casus belli. Ta casus belli anhkoyn se alles epoxes. Emeis milame gia proodo, milame gia anaptyjh. Kai fysika otan akoygetai to casus belli apo mia xwra opws einai h Toyrkia poy qelei na ginei kai melos ths E.E., ayto apokta kai mia diaforetikh barythta.

Teleiwnontas, qa pw ayto poy leme kaqe fora. Opoios pragmatika qelei na symballei sto na yparxei eirhnh sthn perioxh, qa prepei na to apodeiknyei me prajeis kai oxi me logia. Emeis to kanoyme, kairos na to kanei kai h Toyrkia.

Sas eyxaristw.

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