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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 11 Oktwbrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 293953876

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 11 Oktwbrioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri kai kalh ebdomada.

Edw kai ena xrono, mesa se ena idiaitera dysmenes periballon kai ypo prwtofaneis synqhkes gia th xwra, dinoyme thn kaqhmerinh maxh gia thn epanastash toy aytonohtoy. Htan toso polles oi xronies paqogeneies kai tosa polla kai sysswreymena ta problhmata, poy akomh kai ta aytonohta eixan xaqei. Me synepeia, pisth, orama kai sxedio, emeis proxwrame se anatropes. Allazoyme th xwra, mera me th mera, kai ayto pleon einai emfanes kai stoys polites, alla kai sth dieqnh koinothta.

H pro oligwn mhnwn dieqneis epikrites mas, shmera mas qewroyn ypodeigma dhmosionomikoy symmazematos kai kyriws ypodeigma laoy kai koinwnias poy pragmatika epizhta oysiastikes allages poy qa anabaqmisoyn th dhmosia zwh kai synepws kai thn kaqhmerinothta twn politwn. Kai ayth einai h megalh proteraiothta mas.

Se ayth thn poreia mas pros tis rizikes allages, tis anatropes paqogeneiwn, nootropiwn kai praktikwn poy ejeqrecan, oxi mono thn krish, alla kai oles tis alles paqogeneies poy biwnei shmera o Ellhnas poliths, proxwrame me apofasistikothta.

Dystyxws, panta yphrxan kai panta qa yparxoyn dynameis ths synthrhshs, nostalgoi toy parelqontos, poy den antexoyn, den qeloyn, epiteloys, na allajei kati ston topo.

Einai oi idioi poy lipotaktoyn sta dyskola.

Einai oi idioi poy apoxwroyn apo tis koinoboyleytikes diadikasies.

Einai oi idioi poy apoqewsan pragmatika thn spatalh, thn kakodiaxeirish, toys hmeteroys kai gigantwsan th diafqora kai tis pelateiakes sxeseis. Kai gnwrizoyme oti ayth einai h N.D.

Se aytes, akribws, tis aytonohtes anatropes, emeis proxwrame me isxyrh boylhsh kai aytes tis anatropes emeis qa tis petyxoyme.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MOSXOBAS: Poios telika einai o Prwqypoyrgos ton opoio ennooyse o k. Gioynker, dedomenoy oti mia merida Typoy shmera, epikaloymenh neoteres dhlwseis toy, lene oti aforoyse dhmosia dhlwsh toy idioy toy shmerinoy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Papandreoy.

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy exei megalyterh shmasia einai h epejhghmatikh dhlwsh toy ekproswpoy toy k. Gioynker, symfwna me thn opoia o k. Gioynker den anaferotan sth synomilia toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo Giwrgo Papandreoy, alla miloyse gia mia dhmosia syzhthsh. Emeis, omws, peran toytoy, ofeiloyme na poyme dyo-tria pragmata ep` aytoy. Prwta ap` ola, oydepote o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos, Giwrgos Papandreoy, ekane syzhthsh me ton k. Gioynker gia diefqarmenh xwra. Ayto einai safestato, einai jekaqaro. Ayto, ejalloy, to epibebaiwse o k. Gioynker.

H kybernhsh, shmera, maxetai kata ths diafqoras kai maxetai apo thn prwth stigmh poy anelabe ta hnia ths diakybernhshs ayths ths xwras. H N.D. antiqeta kai oi nostalgoi toy parelqontos - gi` ayto milhsa prohgoymenws gia nostalgoys toy parelqontos- prospaqoyn na feroyn th syzhthsh se qewrhtikes anazhthseis, prokeimenoy na apofygoyn tis terasties eyqynes toys anti na zhthsoyn sygnwmh. Kai ayto einai jekaqaro. Oi emprhstes kai oi lipotaktes exoyn to qrasos shmera kai milane.

Kai ena teleytaio: Shmera, yparxoyn apotelesmata kata ths diafqoras. Me tis megales allages poy kanoyme edw kai polloys mhnes, prospaqwntas kai telika petyxainontas na jeperasoyme ayth thn poly megalh krish, sthn opoia mas ebale, ws xwra, aqwrakisth, h N.D. Gia emas to megalo zhtoymeno, h arxikh kai h telikh syzhthsh poy endiaferei amesa kai ton ellhniko lao, einai ean kanoyme pragmatika aytes tis allages, gia na mhn yparxei diafqora sth xwra mas. Diafqora shmainei kai oikonomia, shmainei grafeiokratia, shmainei kai sxeseis koinwnias kai politwn, opoy emeis kai se aytoys toys tomeis kanoyme tis megales anatropes. Ayth einai h syzhthsh poy mas endiaferei kai ayth kanoyme.

MOSXOBAS: Epeidh, profanws, eseis lete oti asxoleiste me ta sobara, alla yparxei kai ena qema epikoinwnias, an moy epitrepete. Sto plaisio ayto eipe kati propagandistiko o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn k. Papakwnstantinoy, fwtografizontas ton k. Karamanlh h htan h apoch toy h eixe thn kaseta h hjere ti exei pei o k. Gioynker;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, o k. Papakwnstantinoy, sto plaisio mias synenteyjhs poy edwse sthn Amerikh, opoy prospaqhse kai prospaqei gia thn anatajh ths eikonas ths xwras mas kai ayto einai to shmantiko, egine mia erwthsh se laqos bash. Apodeixqhke oti o k. Gioynker den eixe pei ayto poy htan h bash ths erwthshs pros ton k. Papakwnstantinoy. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Apo ekei kai pera, ayto poy endiaferei oloys mas kai ayto poy ekane o k. Papakwnstantinoy sthn Amerikh, einai h anorqwsh ths eikonas ths xwras mas kai ayto endiaferei ton ellhniko lao.

MOSXOBAS: H apanthsh htan se laqos bash, mallon, opws apodeiknyetai.

PETALWTHS: H erwthsh htan se laqos bash, giati profanws kapoioi synadelfoi sas dhmosiografoi toy eipan oti o k. Gioynker ekane ayth th dhlwsh. Ara, h erwthsh htan se laqos bash. Kai ayto poy endiefere kai ton k. Papakwnstantinoy kai poy endiaferei kai thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, alla kai ton ellhniko lao, einai h oysia, einai h pragmatikothta. Kai o ellhnikos laos to gnwrizei.

KOYTRAS: Ti ennoeite, laqos bash; Oi dhmosiografoi rwthsan ton k. Papakwnstantinoy gia th dhlwsh poy eipe o k. Gioynker. To eipe, exei katagrafei se dyo efhmerides. Se mia gallikh kai stoys Irish Times, nomizw, oti o k. Gioynker eipe oti milwntas me Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo, moy eipe oti kybernw mia diefqarmenh xwra. Shmera yparxei anaskeyh kai leei oti o k. Gioynker, ennooyse ton k. Papandreoy. O k. Papakwnstantinoy einai ekqetos...

PETALWTHS: Twra eisaste eseis poy bazete to olo qema se laqos bash, giati egw exw mia dhlwsh toy k. Gki Soyler ekproswpoy toy k. Gioynker, o opoios leei oti o k. Gioynker den anaferotan se synomilia toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo Giwrgo Papandreoy.

KOYTRAS: Den anaferotan se synomilia, alla stis dhlwseis toy k. Papandreoy, poy eixan ginei ekeino ton kairo.

PETALWTHS: Ara, oxi se syzhthsh kai oti kapoios toy eipe gia kapoion Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo.

KOYTRAS: Malista.

PETALWTHS: Ara, einai laqos bash.

KOYTRAS: O k. Papakwnstantinoy afoy den hjere, giati fwtografise ton k. Karamanlh; Ayto qelw na rwthsw.

PETALWTHS: O k. Papakwnstantinoy ekane mia sobarotath doyleia sthn Amerikh kai ayto poy eipe, htan h ektimhsh toy, h opoia omws, epanalambanw, oti htan se laqos bash h erwthsh poy toy apeyqynqhke kai ta stoixeia poy toy doqhkan profanws den htan ta swsta.

MOSXOBAS: Lete, dhladh, oti ton paresyran oi dhmosiografoi;

PETALWTHS: Den eipa kati tetoio.

MOSXOBAS: Htan se laqos bash, lete ayta poy toy eipan.

PETALWTHS: Den eipa kati tetoio. Shmera, me th dhlwsh toy ekproswpoy toy k. Gioynker, pisteyw oti jekaqarizoyn ta pragmata.

MOSXOBAS: H oysia ths ypoqeshs einai ean eipwqhke se idiwtikh h dhmosia syzhthsh. Oxi, profanws.

PETALWTHS: H oysia ths ypoqeshs gia emas kai gia ton ellhniko lao einai ean pragmatika exei apotelesmata h terastia prospaqeia kai ths kybernhshs kai toy ellhnikoy laoy na stamathsei to fainomeno diafqoras poy zoyme kai sthn kaqhmerinothta mas. Kai ayto nomizw oti ta leei ola.

PITTARAS: Epeidh paizoyme twra me tis lejeis, moy eipes, soy eipa, toy eipa klp, qelw na sas rwthsw o k. Papandreoy aisqanetai oti kyberna mia diefqarmenh xwra;

PETALWTHS: Ean aisqanotan o k. Papandreoy kati tetoio, sigoyra qa to elege. Alla oydepote o k. Papandreoy eipe oti kyberna mia diefqarmenh xwra. Isa-isa, sas eipa oti akribws aytes oi koybentes, oi lejeis kai oi syzhthseis, den exoyn antistoixia me thn pragmatikothta kai me thn apotelesmatikothta poy exei kataferei h kybernhsh kata ths diafqoras.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia to ean htan o k. Papandreoy, to an den htan o k. Karamanlhs eite o k. Shmiths eite o k. Mhtsotakhs, den jerw kai egw poios, as apanthsoyn oi idioi kai as zhthsoyn ejhghseis apo ton k. Gioynker. Kata thn ektimhsh th dikh moy yparxei ena poly sobaro zhthma poy afora thn kybernhsh kai th shmerinh kai tis prohgoymenes. H omologia toy k. Gioynker oti jerame poy phgainei h Ellada, to blepame, kaname ta straba matia giati oikonomagane - na to pw apla- oi Germanoi kai oi Galloi. Ep` aytoy, h ellhnikh kybernhsh qa zhthsei ejhghseis apo ton k. Gioynker, giati den proeidopoihse egkairws, me opoio tropo h kai an proeidopoihse, giati den to dhmosiopoihse, etsi wste na mh ftasoyme shmera se ayto to shmeio;

PETALWTHS: Oi ejhghseis zhtoyntai apo aytoys poy kybernoyn th xwra. Kai o ellhnikos laos zhthse ejhghseis apo thn kybernhsh ths N.D. Kai gnwrizoyme, poly kala, to eklogiko apotelesma toy perysinoy Oktwbrh. Apo ekei kai pera, emeis ws kybernhsh toy PA.SO.K doyleyoyme pros ayth thn kateyqynsh: Na qerapeysoyme oles aytes tis paqogeneies poy afhse anejelegktes h politikh ths N.D. O ellhnikos laos zhtaei ejhghseis kai apo thn kybernhsh toy PA.SO.K. Gi` ayto akribws emeis leme oti ayto poy prepei na syzhthsoyme shmera kai me ton ellhniko lao einai to ean yparxoyn apotelesmata sthn katapolemhsh ths diafqoras, ean yparxoyn apotelesmata sto sebasmo toy xrhmatos toy Ellhna polith. Emeis, shmera, kanontas ton apologismo toy enos xronoy, pragmatika, mporoyme na eimaste perhfanoi, giati h prospaqeia mas exei apotelesmata se aytoys toys tomeis.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pragmati, o ekproswpos toy k. Gioynker, leei oti den yphrxe dialogos metajy toy idioy kai toy k. Papandreoy. Para tayta diabasame sthn enhmerwsh toy oti anaferetai se dhmosies paradoxes toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oti kyberna mia diefqarmenh xwra. Eseis molis pro oligoy eipate oti den exei pei kati tetoio o k. Papandreoy. Ti apo ta dyo isxyei telika;

PETALWTHS: Gia na bazoyme ta pragmata sth qesh toys, epeidh exw kai th dhlwsh -opws, profanws, qa thn exete kai eseis- den eipe dhmosies paradoxes toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy oti kyberna diefqarmenh xwra. Eipe gia dhmosies paradoxes, oti yparxei diafqora sth xwra. Prwta ap` ola, sas lew, oti as erqei kapoios na mas pei oti den yparxei diafqora sth xwra mas, oti den yphrxe terastia diafqora kai ennoeitai oti akoma den exei ekleicei, mexris enos baqmoy. Kai fysika, epanalambanw, oti h megalh syzhthsh poy prepei na kanoyme einai kata poso yparxoyn apotelesmata sthn katapolemhsh ths diafqoras. Ayto einai poy afora ton ellhniko lao, shmera. Ayth thn entolh exei parei ayth h kybernhsh kai ayto prattei.

LASKARATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mas eipate oti o ypoyrgos twn Oikonomikwn mphke sth diadikasia na apanthsei akomh kai erwthseis se laqos bash, opws tis xarakthrisate. Den mas eipate, omws, giati den mphke den mphke sth diadikasia aytos h kapoios allos apo thn kybernhsh, na apanthsei sthn oysia poy anefere kai o synadelfos twn oswn eipe o k. Gioynker. Dhladh, oti h Gallia, h Germania ebgalan xrhmata stis plates mas. Dhladh, blepoyme, oti apanta se kapoia erwthmata. Kapoia alla, omws, h kybernhsh, fainetai, deixnei na fobatai na ta qijei.

PETALWTHS: Ayth h kybernhsh edeije oti kaqe allo para fobatai. Ayth h kybernhsh einai poy parelabe ta terastia problhmata ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, me tis xronies paqogeneies. Mia aqwrakisth xwra, sthn kyriolejia, mesa se mia megalh pagkosmia krish kai edeije oti den fobatai na ta balei me kanenan kai gia tipote, otan malista, krinotan h idia h oikonomikh epibiwsh ths xwras mas. Kai fanhke oti ayth h apofasistikothta ths, metraei shmera qetikotata apotelesmata. Ara, den einai h wra na syzhtame qewrhtika. Einai wra na prattoyme kai malista, otan o k. Papakwnstantinoy briskotan sthn Amerikh gia na symmetexei sth diaskech toy D.N.T., opoy krinontan shmantika zhthmata, otan briskotan sthn Amerikh gia na peisei. Kai fainetai oti pleon peiqoyme, oxi mono tis jenes agores, alla kai thn pagkosmia koinh gnwmh, oti emeis gyrisame selida kai oti allazoyme. Aytes einai oi proteraiothtes ths kybernhshs. Epanalambanw, oti ayth einai h entolh poy phrame apo ton ellhniko lao kai o stoxos poy bazoyme gia na jeperasoyme thn krish. Kai fysika ayta einai poly pio shmantika, oysiastika kai pragmatika sto na syzhthqoyn apo kapoies dhlwseis kai apo kapoies eikasies.

LASKARATOS: Sygnwmh, giati aisqanomai oti den moy apanthsate. O k. Gioynker omologhse pws gnwrizan to problhma sthn Eyrwph. Qa zhthsei kapoies ejhghseis apo ton k. Gioynker; Giati emeis plhrwnoyme twra th gnwsh toys poy den xrhsimopoihqhke.

PETALWTHS: Emeis den plhrwnoyme th gnwsh toy k. Gioynker. Emeis plhrwnoyme thn kybernhsh ths N.D., h opoia prospaqoyse me parapoihmena stoixeia na ejapathsei, ypotiqetai, toys etairoys mas. Plhrwnoyme th megalh anajiopistia ths xwras mas, sthn opoia mas odhghse h diakybernhsh ths N.D. As stamathsoyme, epiteloys, na ta rixnoyme pantote alloy kai as synaisqanqoyme tis dikes mas eyqynes. Gi` ayto eipa prohgoymenws oti oi lipotaktes kai oi emprhstes erxontai shmera na nostalghsoyn to parelqon toys kai o k. Samaras na dhlwnei oti dikaiwnetai. Ean o k. Samaras nomizei oti dikaiwnetai apo kapoies dhlwseis poy kaqe allo, para ton dikaiwnoyn, fysika kai oti aisqanetai dikaiwmenh h N.D. gia thn katastrofh sthn opoia mas odhghse, ws xwra kai yfistameqa shmera aytes tis synepeies ths katastrofhs, yparxei kai h stoixeiwdhs krish toy ellhnikoy laoy poy telika krinei o,ti leme.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh qewrei oti o ellhnikos laos einai enas diefqarmenos laos; Giati mexri stigmhs ola ta metra poy exei ferei se misqoys kai syntajeis klp, strefontai enantion toy, enw antiqeta oi kat` ejoxhn foreis ths diafqoras, opws einai gia paradeigma oi trapezes h oi megales epixeirhseis poy edinan kai mizes sto parelqon, oxi mono einai sto apyroblhto, alla apolambanoyn kai ploysioparoxa paketa sthrijhs ap` ayth thn kybernhsh.

PETALWTHS: Safws kai o ellhnikos laos den einai diefqarmenos. Safws kai o ellhnikos laos einai sofos - to exoyme pei polles fores- kai me tis epiloges poy kanei kaqe fora, me thn eklogh twn kybernhsewn. H diafqora, omws, einai ena pragmatiko megeqos. Ena megeqos poy epibarynei banaysa thn kaqhmerinothta toy Ellhna polith. Einai ena megeqos poy afora kai sth grafeiokratia kai sthn oikonomia. Gi` ayto oi megales allages poy kanoyme, einai akribws na spasei h grafeiokratia, na yparxei diafaneia. Kai emeis to leme apo thn prwth stigmh. Gi` ayto, ejalloy, o Prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos Papandreoy, anelabe prwtoboylia kai zhthse apo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias na sygklhqei symboylio arxhgwn twn kommatwn me qema th diafqora. Gi` ayto anoijan kai oi poly megales syzhthseis poy eginan gia th diafqora, giati einai ena megeqos poy epibarynei amesa ton ellhniko lao. Kai epeidh oi esties ths diafqoras einai polles kai qa yparxoyn oso den yparxei diafaneia, gi` ayto kaqe bhma mas, kaqe apofash mas, stoxeyei ekei. Akomh kai ayth h epanastash toy ``KALLIKRATH'', exei sxesh me thn patajh kai ton periorismo ths diafqoras. Exei sxesh me to pws o poliths empisteyetai ta kentra twn apofasewn poy qa einai dipla toy pleon, pws ayto to epiteliko kratos qa stamathsei na katadynasteyei ton Ellhna polith me tis gnwstes paqogeneies.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Afoy lete, ``ola sto fws kai sth diafaneia'' giati den ejhgeite ston ellhniko lao ayto to aplo poy eipe o k. Gioynker, oti kapoies isxyres xwres mesa sthn E.E. zoyn se baros kapoiwn allwn xwrwn sthn E.E. Giati den ejhgeite ston ellhniko lao pws ginetai ayto to montelo;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, to eipe o k. Gioynker. Emeis kanoyme tis dikes mas analyseis kai olo ayto to xrono poy prospaqoysame na anatajoyme th dieqnh mas ajiopistia, egine poly syzhthsh kai akomh, fysika, exei na ginei pollh syzhthsh. To qema, omws, gia emas shmera, einai na jeperasoyme thn krish. Menoyme ekei. Aytos einai o skopos mas kai o stoxos mas.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Nai, alla to montelo ths E.E. synexizei na leitoyrgei, opws to perigrafei o k. Gioynker.

PETALWTHS: Kai o k. Papandreoy exei pei, polles fores, pws qa prepei na ejaleifqoyn aytes oi streblwseis. Kai mesa sthn E.E., akomh kai sthn teleytaia, Synodo Koryfhs, milhse -epeidh enas synadelfos sas ekane erwthsh kai gia tis trapezes- gia to pws qa prepei na yparxoyn kyrwseis kai stis trapezes, otan den dioxeteyetai to xrhma sthn agora, otan ayto to xrhma den paei stoys Ellhnes polites.

PITTARAS: Eseis exete peistei gia ta kinhtra toy k. Gioynker, na kanei ayth th dhlwsh. Den qymotan, mperdece ta logia toy; Epaize paixnidia;

PETALWTHS: Mas endiaferei to ti kanoyme emeis kai to ti kanei o ellhnikos laos. Mas endiaferei to oti exoyme shmera apotelesmata kai gi` ayto, akribws, den ermhneyoyme dhlwseis jenwn paragontwn, oi opoies mporei na einai sebastes, oi opoies safws kai einai sebastes, alla apo ekei kai pera, emeis exoyme allo xreos kai to xreos mas to kanoyme. Kai ekei elegxomaste apo ton ellhniko lao.

POLYMEROS: Moy arese ayto poy eipate pio prin. Xarakthrisate ton ellhniko lao sofo gia tis epiloges poy kanei stis kybernhseis poy epilegei. To 2004 kai to 2007, omws, an einai etsi opws to lete, den htan toso sofos oso einai shmera h mallon to 2009 poy ejeleje to PASOK sthn kybernhsh. Ti eftaije nomizete tote;

PETALWTHS: Egw ejefrasa thn apoch oti o ellhnikos laos einai sofos kai analoga me to ti kybernhseis eklegei, h sofia toy paramenei.

POLYMEROS: Na dieykrinisw. Qewreite oti ejapathqhke tote;

PETALWTHS: Oxi, bebaia.

MIXAHL: Epeidh eipate oti kanete to xreos sas gia na jeperastei h krish, o k. Stros-Kan shmera, me neoteres dhlwseis toy, leei safws oti ginontai hdh kapoies prokatarktikes syzhthseis gia epimhkynsh ths trietoys, na paei akomh dyo xronia, epipleon, h apoplhrwmh toy ellhnikoy daneioy poy exoyme synacei me thn troika. H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei pei oti emeis den zhtame tetoio zhthma. An mas to prosferei, ti qa poyme;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, ws kybernhsh, exoyme sygkekrimenoys stoxoys. Aytoys toys stoxoys toys ylopoioyme aparegklita. Kai h aparegklith ylopoihsh aytwn twn stoxwn qa mas bgalei kai apo thn krish, etsi opws exei dromologhqei apo to Programma Staqerothtas. Ayth th stigmh einai poly prowro na kanoyme tetoies syzhthseis. Kai malista otan fainetai oti o skopos mas epitygxanetai.

ZAFEIRIADOY: ... poy ftanei shmera edw kai h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph exei afhsei anoikto to endexomeno anaqewrhshs toy mnhmonioy. Poso konta eimaste se mia tetoia apofash; Se mia tetoia anagkaiothta isws;

PETALWTHS: Exoyme dhlwsei jekaqara, kai to exei pei kai o Ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn k. Papakwnstantinoy, oti opoiadhpote anaqewrhsh den prokeitai na ephreasei to programma oikonomikhs prosarmoghs mas to opoio ylopoiei toys stoxoys, oti eimaste mesa stoys stoxoys mas para thn opoia piqanh ayjhsh. Ara den tiqetai tetoio zhthma.

LASKARATOS: Einai qema tampoy h omologia toy k. Gioynker; Giati blepw oti den zhtame ejhghseis gia to ti akribws ennooyse. Na mas paei ligo parapera, ektos an katalabainoyme ti akribws ennooyse.

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa oti asxoloymaste me thn oysia. H syzhthsh poy ginetai shmera sthn ellhnikh koinwnia einai na bgoyme apo thn krish. Na kanoyme tis megales allages gia na mhn epistrecoyme apo ekei poy jekinhsame kai gia emas ayto einai to prwteyon.

SIDERHS: Symfwna me thn Irish Times, o k. Gioynker eipe: Twra o Ellhnas prwqypoyrgos leei kybernaw mia xwra diafqoras. Den toy to eipe o k. Papandreoy, alla ti diafora exei ayto, me ayto poy elege sto ejwteriko o k. Papandreoy oti sthn Ellada yparxei megalh diafqora kai eytelize th xwra.

PETALWTHS: Einai teleiws diaforetiko. Den eytelize o k. Papandreoy th xwra, alla th xwra thn eytelisan osoi dhmioyrghsan aythn thn katastash, thn opoia klhqhkame emeis ws kybernhsh na antimetwpisoyme. Kai gi ayto anefera oti oi nostalgoi toy parelqontos exoyn to qrasos na miloyn gia eytelismo. Aytoi poy anacan fwties sthn ellhnikh oikonomia kai sthn ellhnikh koinwnia den dikaioyntai na miloyn shmera kai na deixnoyn oti einai pikramenoi h oti ekplhssontai apo to oti yparxei diafqora sth xwra.

MOSXOBAS: Qelw na moy peite ean yparxei problhma, poy ap oti fainetai yparxei, an krinw apo tis dhlwseis toy ypoyrgoy Epikrateias kai Ependysewn shmera, synarmodiothtwn sto qema toy Astakoy. O k. Pampoykhs dhlwnei shmera oti den egine synennohsh me to grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy gi ayth th dhlwsh toy Yfypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. Koybelh oti teleiwse to ergo.

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kanena problhma, kanena zhthma.

MOSXOBAS: Teleiwse h proetoimasia toy ergoy...

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kanena problhma, den tiqetai tetoio zhthma. O k. Koybelhs eixe ypogracei, ek meroys ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, ton perasmeno Maio, to mnhmonio katanohshs me to Katar. Apo ekei kai pera, oi jenes ependyseis proxwroyn, panta se synennohsh me toys synarmodioys ypoyrgoys. Den tiqetai kanena zhthma.

MOSXOBAS: O k. Pampoykhs leei oti den yphrje epikoinwnia me to grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy h me ton idio. Den einai synarmodios gia tis ependyseis strathgikoy xarakthra o k. Pampoykhs h pollw mallon o prwqypoyrgos;

PETALWTHS: Einai allh h doyleia poy kanei o k. Pampoykhs kai allh ayth poy ekane o k. Koybelhs. O k. Pampoykhs exei analabei tis ependyseis kai einai shmantiko oti oi ependyseis proxwroyn.

MOSXOBAS: Ependysh den htan o Astakos h kanw laqos;

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa oti den yparxei kanena zhthma.

MOSXOBAS: Enhmerwqhke to grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa.

MOSXOBAS: Gi ayth thn epistolh ennow, toy k. Pampoykh.

PETALWTHS: Kai egw sas apanthsa oti den tiqetai kanena zhthma.

MOSXOBAS: Den moy apanthsate an enhmerwqhke to grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa.

GIANNISHS: Mias kai anaferomaste sto qema twn armodiothtwn. Ton teleytaio kairo blepoyme oti me to Limeniko ta problhmata ayjanontai me ton tropo me ton opoio exoyn katanemhqei oi armodiothtes kai eixame kai thn paraithsh toy arxhgoy toy Limenikoy.

PETALWTHS: Ws pros to Limeniko, oi armodiothtes einai safeis. To epixeirhsiako tmhma kai me th systash toy arxhgeioy ths Aktofylakhs phgainei sto Ypoyrgeio Prostasias toy Polith, giati exei sxesh me epixeirhsiakes prajeis kai to ypoloipo tmhma menei sto Ypoyrgeio Qalassiwn Ypoqesewn. Den yparxei kanena problhma, antiqetws ginetai enas ejorqologismos toy ergoy toy Limenikoy.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Meta tis dhmotikes kai perifereiakes ekloges toy b' gyroy erxetai sthn Aqhna to klimakio ths troikas gia na kanei thn ajiologhsh gia th dosh toy Dekembrioy. Apokleiei h kybernhsh apo aythn thn ajiologhsh na prokycoyn nea metra;

PETALWTHS: To apokleioyme. Nea metra den prokeitai na yparjoyn.

PITTARAS: Epeidh lete synexeia oti ayto poy sas noiazei einai h maxh toy aytonohtoy, gia sas einai aytonohto oti exoyme ftasei sto parapente gia na arxisei h diaqesh toy petrelaioy qermanshs kai pali eiste se mia diapragmateysh me toys benzinopwles; Kai epishs einai aytonohto oti oi katanalwtes qa plhrwsoyn 30% panw to petrelaio qermanshs fetos;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, gia to petrelaio qermanshs yparxei ena sxedio kai exoyme pei oti yparxei periptwsh na ejiswqei kai an ejiswqei, qa yparxei mhxanismos poy qa aposbainei tis epibarynseis. Oson afora sto petrelaio qermanshs kai th feromenh arnhsh twn benzinopwlwn, shmera stis pente h wra exei synanthsh mazi toys o yfypoyrgos Oikonomikwn k. Koyselas. Ayto, omws, poy qelw na pw einai oti h kybernhsh exei kataballei stoys promhqeytes peripoy 1,1 dis. eyrw, enw to sygkekrimeno problhma afora sthn katabolh ligoteroy apo ena ekatommyrio eyrw. Kai yparxoyn fysika kai texnikes adynamies sto na plhrwqoyn kapoioi promhqeytes giati den exoyn forologikh enhmerothta ki exoyn forologikes ekkremothtes. H kybernhsh apo thn pleyra ths einai synephs.

PITTARAS: Gia thn timh poy qa plhrwsoyn oi katanalwtes;

PETALWTHS: H timh toy petrelaioy einai mia synqeth ypoqesh. Emeis prospaqoyme wste oi katanalwtes na plhrwnoyn to ligotero dynaton.

KOYTRAS: Se poia xwra oi yphresies toy IKA apantoyn pws einai protimotero na ginei akrwthriasmos, para na sas xorhghsoyme papoytsia;

PETALWTHS: Epeidh anafereste se ena sygkekrimeno memonwmeno zhthma einai gnwsto oti toso o armodios ypoyrgos k. Loberdos, oso kai o Dioikhths toy IKA k. Spyropoylos parenebhsan amesws etsi wste na stamathsei ayth h streblh antimetwpish -h opws qelei na th xarakthrisei kaneis- apo yphresiakoys paragontes.

KOYTRAS: Tis teleytaies dyo ebdomades exw rwthsei epaneilhmmenws gia toys promhqeytes twn nosokomeiwn. Shmera anakoinwsan oti den qa paradwsoyn ylika sta nosokomeia. To prohgoymeno diasthma diabebaiwnate oti qa lyqei to problhma, omws mono lysh den fainetai.

PETALWTHS: To zhthma twn promhqeytwn twn nosokomeiwn einai meizon. Gnwrizoyme oti einai mia apo tis paqogeneies poy exoyme brei apo to parelqon. Fysika einai kati to opoio lynetai, giati hdh exoyn katablhqei - sto parelqon exw anaferei kai sygkekrimena posa- poly megala posa apo ayta poy toys ofeilontan kai qa katablhqoyn kai ta ypoloipa. Ekeino, omws poy einai to shmantiko ws pros tis promhqeies twn nosokomeiwn einai oti gia prwth fora ginetai ejorqologismos. Gia prwth fora ginetai mia poly megalh ejoikonomhsh olwn aytwn twn porwn poy spataloyntan mesa apo ta nosokomeia, porwn poy steroyntan apo tis pragmatikes anagkes ths dhmosias ygeias.

SPANOY: O Proedros ths ADEDY k. Papaspyros ekane mia protash kata thn opoia oi ekproswpoi twn ergazomenwn den qa prepei na symmetasxoyn sta D.S. otan prokeitai gia apofaseis poy aforoyn symbaseis, metoxopoihseis k.t.l.. Kai anarwtiemai ean yparjei ayth h apoxh twn ekproswpwn twn ergazomenwn pws qa nomimopoihqoyn tetoioy eidoys diadikasies;

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai ena zhthma poy qa to antimetwpisoyme otan apofasistei. Einai protash kai qa th doyme otan erqei.

MOSXOBAS: O Prwqypoyrgos pws skeftetai na antimetwpisei tis ejwqesmikes, opws lene oi ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs, drasthriothtes toy adelfoy toy k. Nikoy Papandreoy;

PETALWTHS: Leitoyrgoyme basei twn qesmwn kai gi` ayto phgainei kala kai h ellhnikh oikonomia me tis ependyseis, thn proselkysh ependysewn sto metro toy dynatoy.

SIDERHS: Ara, o k. Nikos Papandreoy einai qesmos poy phge sto Ntoympai...

PETALWTHS: Ayto to symperasma bgalate;

MOSXOBAS: Den qa to antimetwpisete kapws; Giati polloi ypoyrgoi einai enoxlhmenoi, apo o,ti diabazoyme stis efhmerides.

PETALWTHS: Stis efhmerides diabazoyme para polla kai polla apo ta opoia den exoyn ypostash. Emeis ayta poy kanoyme einai ola sto fws kai ayth h kybernhsh doyleyei gia na phgainei kala h ellhnikh oikonomia. Fainetai oti exoyme apotelesmata. Alla doyleyei kai gia thn proselkysh jenwn ependysewn kai fainetai oti exoyme apotelesmata.

MOSXOBAS: Qa ejakoloyqhsei na exei rolo o adelfos toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn proselkysh jenwn ependysewn, opws o idios dhlwnei.

PETALWTHS: Ta symperasmata ta bgazete eseis.

MOSXOBAS: An qelete na moy apanthsete omws...

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa.

Kalo sas apogeyma.

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