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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 6 Oktwbrioy 2010

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 6 Oktwbrioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Perase enas xronos poy oi polites empisteythkan th xwra sto PASOK kai edwsan entolh ston Giwrgo Papandreoy kai sto PASOK na allajoyn thn Ellada. Enas xronos idiaiteros, opoy antimetwpisame terasties dyskolies me prwtofaneis katastaseis, kai megaloys kindynoys. H kybernhsh klhqhke na dwsei olometwpo kai polymetwpo agwna, gia thn anorqwsh ths xamenhs dieqnoys ajiopistias ths xwras, thn anypolhcia sthn opoia mas byqise h aprajia ths Neas Dhmokratias. Parallhla, eprepe na antimetwpistoyn kai antimetwpizontai se xrono rekor oi gnwstes se oloys xronies paqogeneies enos argokinhtoy dhmosioy tomea, alla kai oi streblwseis ths oikonomias kai ths agoras.

To ergo poy epitelesthke kai epiteleitai aytoys toys dwdeka mhnes einai pragmatika spoydaio, den yparxei omoio apo kybernhseis se toso syntomo xroniko diasthma. Exoyme, pleon, ena dikaiotero kai staqero forologiko plaisio, ena makropnoo asfalistiko systhma, exoyme ton ``Kallikrath'', ton nomo gia thn anarthsh twn ypografwn sto diadiktyo, th legomenh ``Diaygeia'' kai thn plhrh ypagwgh twn proslhcewn sto ASEP, wste na ginontai ta panta me diafaneia kai me ajiokratia. Exoyme tis meiwseis stis times twn farmakwn, th stadiakh efarmogh ths hlektronikhs syntagografhshs kai polla alla.

Parallhla, epideiknyoyme entonh kinhtikothta sto ejwteriko. Kinoymaste me plano, me sxedio, me stoxeysh kai systhmatika anorqwnoyme thn ajiopistia ths xwras mas, thn kaqistoyme kai pali isotimo synomilhth me qeseis, apoceis kai protaseis. Kai ayto to antilambanomaste kai to proslambanoyme se kaqe dieqnh epafh mas. To gegonos oti pleon peiqoyme th dieqnh koinothta gia tis proqeseis mas, thn apofasistikothta twn politwn mas na allajoyn th xwra, antanaklatai pleon pantoy. Dieqneis paragontes kai MME, poy proejofloysan th syntomh xreokopia mas, mas xarakthrizoyn, pleon, ypodeigma, alla kai oi etairoi mas ekfrazoyn thn ikanopoihsh toys gia thn poreia ths oikonomias mas, kai qaymazoyn thn apofasistikothta twn politikwn mas kai twn politwn mas.

Ola ayta ta antilambanontai oi sympolites mas kai einai apofasismenoi na synexisoyn kai na allajoyn th xwra. Diakrinoyn pws epiteloys oi qysies pianoyn topo kai pws eimaste pleon se qesh na mporoyme na aisiodojoyme.

Oi monoi poy fainetai oti den to antilambanontai einai h Nea Dhmokratia kai o k. Samaras. Ametanohtoi apenanti stoys polites qetoyn anyparkta kai ceytika dillhmata ¨mnhmonio - antimnhmonio¨, paroysiazoyn magikes lyseis xwris kopo kai xrono. Oysiastika erxontai aplws na synexisoyn thn politikh, thn opoia yphretoysan kai ws kybernhsh, mia politikh poy mas odhghse sta gnwsta apotelesmata.

Estw kai twra, loipon, as anagnwrizoyn ta sfalmata toys kai as katanohsoyn tis prospaqeies kai tis qysies twn politwn kai as pacoyn na paizoyn me th nohmosynh olwn mas, eidika ayth th stigmh.

Parakalw gia tis erwthseis sas.

PETOYRH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eseis milhsate gia ena spoydaio ergo poy den exei kanei allh kybernhsh mesa se toso xroniko diasthma. O k. Samaras, leei, oti ejapathsate ton ellhniko lao se sxesh me tis proeklogikes sas desmeyseis kai prokhryjeis kai diakhryjeis. Xqes eidame ena klima polwshs kai apo thn pleyra toy PASOK se apanthsh ston k. Samara, poy mas gyrise kapoia xronia pisw. Ayto qa einai, pleon, to klima stis politikes sxeseis sas;

PETALWTHS: Emeis synexizoyme to ergo poy mas exei anaqesei o ellhnikos laos. Ayto einai poly dyskolo, poly bary kai exoyme poly dromo akomh. H Nea Dhmokratia qa prepei na analogistei omws, oti qa prepei na milaei me th stoixeiwdh sobarothta pros ton ellhniko lao. Otan akomh kai shmera, epimenei o k. Samaras kai h Nea Dhmokratia, oti qa mporoyse na mhdenistei to elleimma mesa se ena xrono kai malista xwris qysies kai xwris kopoys toy ellhnikoy laoy, otan kataferan na to ektinajoyn, apokryptontas to bebaia, se ayta ta ych ta opoia gnwrizoyme, tote apaiteitai stoixeiwdhs sobarothta. Den epidiwkoyme thn polwsh, den mas endiaferei mia steira antiparaqesh me th Nea Dhmokratia. Den yparxei, epanalambanw, kamia diaqesh apo kanenan mas, apo to PASOK, apo thn kybernhsh, na dhmioyrghsoyme klima polwshs. Ekeino omws, to opoio ofeiloyme na kanoyme einai na yperaspistoyme thn alhqeia. Apo th stigmh, omws, poy h Nea Dhmokratia kai o k. Samaras prokaloyn me th stash toys kai tis dhqen politikes toys ejaggelies, exoyme ypoxrewsh na kataggeiloyme oti twra poy arxisame na pairnoyme mia anasa ws xwra, twra poy o ellhnikos laos arxizei na briskei to dromo toy, twra poy arxizei na staqeropoieitai h politikh kai h oikonomia sth xwra mas, epitrepontas mas apo edw kai pera na askhsoyme politikes yper toy ellhnikoy laoy, ayth th xronikh stigmh epelejan o k. Samaras kai h Nea Dhmokratia gia na askhsoyn ayth thn kritikh kai na proballoyn tetoioys isxyrismoys. Giati h Nea Dhmokratia kai o k. Samaras qeloyn na anatrecoyn aytes tis poly megales allages poy ginontai, qeloyn na mhn yparjei allagh se ayth th xwra. Qeloyn na epistrecoyme sto parelqon poy einai h synthrhsh. Alla emeis pame mprosta. Emeis exoyme ena ergo kai ena skopo: Na petyxoyme, na bgaloyme th xwra apo thn krish, alla xwris na thn epanaferoyme se ayto poy dhmioyrghqhke epi dekaeties kai se ayto poy epideinwse me ton xeirotero tropo h Nea Dhmokratia. Ayto einai to melhma mas. Ayto prospaqoyme na petyxoyme kai ws pros ayta poy isxyrizontai sth Nea Dhmokratia, yparxei h nohmosynh toy ellhnikoy laoy poy ta krinei.

XIDIROGLOY: O k. Stainmproyk leei sto biblio toy pragmata ta opoia anairoyn ta osa leei o k. Papandreoy, enw erxetai kai pali sto proskhnio to peribohto ``lefta yparxoyn''. Telika to PASOK eixe eikona gia ta megeqh ths oikonomias proeklogika kai an nai giati eipwqhke tote to ``lefta yparxoyn'';

PETALWTHS: Eipwqhke to ``lefta yparxoyn'' giati ta lefta yphrxan kai yparxoyn sto ellhniko kratos. Kai apodeiknyetai oti otan kanoyme ayth th megalh perikoph ths spatalhs twn dapanwn, oi opoies den phgainan yper toy ellhnikoy laoy, pragmatika ta xrhmata yparxoyn. Otan mporoyme shmera, ena xrono meta, na poyme oti oi dapanes toy dhmosioy perioristhkan kata 50%, dapanes oi opoies oxi aplws den htan aparaithtes gia th dhmosia dioikhsh, gia to dhmosio symferon, alla htan akribws aytes poy epibarynan ton Ellhna polith- kai fysika ayto einai mono h arxh- ayto apo mono toy apodeiknyei oti lefta yphrxan kai yparxoyn.

Kai otan elege o Prwqypoyrgos oti ``lefta yparxoyn'', symplhrwne kai to ``poy phgan ayta ta lefta''. Ara, qa prepei pragmatika h Nea Dhmokratia na mas pei poy phgan ayta ta lefta, ta opoia diaxeiristhke epi eji xronia me ton xeirotero tropo. Emeis omws den menoyme ekei. Apodeiknyoyme hmera me thn hmera oti lefta yparxoyn sto ellhniko kratos kai qa yphrxan perissotera an afhne h Nea Dhmokratia ayta ta eji xronia na yparxoyn ayta ta xrhmata pros ofelos toy ellhnikoy laoy.

Oson afora sthn anafora poy moy kanate gia to biblio toy k. Stainmproyk, nomizw oti h logikh ta leei ola. Den jerw an to eipe xaritologwntas o k. Stainmproyk, alla yparxei fysika ejhghsh. Kai apo ton Febroyario, na qymisw, toy 2009 o Prwqypoyrgos, o Giwrgos Papandreoy, tote arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, zhtoyse ekloges gia na stamathsei o kathforos ths xwras. Ayto apo mono toy ta leei ola.

Ws pros to ti gnwrizame tote, gnwrizame o,ti stoixeia mas edine h Nea Dhmokratia. Safws, hmastan ypociasmenoi, oti h Nea Dhmokratia apekrypte thn alhqeia. Kaneis, omws, den mporoyse na antilhfqei to megeqos ths ejapathshs toy ellhnikoy laoy. Malista otan o k. Samaras, poy erxetai shmera na mas pei oti qa mhdenisei to elleimma, ton Maio toy 2009 ejapatoyse ws ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs toy k. Karamanlh ton ellhniko lao, legontas kai malista me stentoreia fwnh, oti to elleimma brisketai ligo panw apo to 4%. Ara, emeis gnwrizame ta epishma stoixeia. Kaneis, omws den mporoyse na dianohqei to megeqos ths ejapathshs. Akomh kai shmera, omws, perimenoyme th Eurostat na kanei thn anaqewrhsh gia to elleimma toy 2009, poy fainetai oti profanws qa einai megalytero apo ayto poy exoyme mexri stigmhs. H Nea Dhmokratia prepei na synaisqanqei kai na antilhfqei poso ejapathse ton ellhniko lao apokryptontas ta pragmatika statistika stoixeia.

STRATAKHS: H Nea Dhmokratia k. Ekproswpe, eipe oti h kybernhsh foyskwse to elleimma. Oi plhrofories lene oti h Eurostat to anebazei gyrw sto 15,1%. Qa mas dwsei h kybernhsh ola ekeina ta stoixeia poy yparxoyn, oytws wste na doyme an pragmatika exei foyskwqei to elleimma, pws kai giati;

PETALWTHS: Emeis eimaste yper ths diafaneias pantoy. Kai den mporoyme na antilhfqoyme oti eidika se ayth thn krisimh periodo, poy h ajiopistia ths xwras mas arxizei na anaktatai kai na paragei ta prwta qetika apotelesmata, qa kryboyme akomh stoixeia. Emeis hmastan aytoi poy hrqame kai eipame ``ola sto fws''. Den mporoyme na leitoyrgoyme me thn koytoponhria ths N.D., poy pisteye oti mporei na paraplana toys etairoys mas kai ton ellhniko lao. Anaferoyme ta stoixeia akribws opws einai, gia ayto akribws exei systaqei h Anejarthth Statistikh Yphresia, etsi wste kaneis pleon na mhn mporei na apokryptei stoixeia.

Kai oson afora sto oti h N.D., akomh kai shmera leei oti emeis foyskwsame to elleimma, h Eurostat, poy einai h epishmh eyrwpaikh statistikh yphresia, apantaei me ton kalytero tropo. Den mporoyme, otan kanoyme safeis epiloges, poy gnwrizoyme ta apotelesmata toys, opws einai h ``Diaygeia'', poy shmainei oti kaqe apofash, kai h pio aplh dioikhtikh apofash sto diadiktyo na anartatai wste na to gnwrizei o ellhnikos laos, na apokryptoyme stoixeia. Den bohqaei ayto. H koytoponhria ths N.D. anhkei sto parelqon.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Meta apo ayto poy exei ginei me to qema toy elleimmatos kai qa ftasei to 15%, exoyme eikona peripoy poso qa ftasei;

PETALWTHS: Qa anakoinwqei epishmws apo th Eurostat.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Meta apo ayto kai thn anaqewrhsh toy elleimmatos, ginetai, pisteyete, epitaktikoterh h anagkh na systaqei Ejetastikh Epitroph;

PETALWTHS: To oti emeis apo thn prwth stigmh milhsame gia diereynhsh twn parapoihmenwn stoixeiwn, aytwn poy apestelne h kybernhsh ths N.D. sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, alla kai anakoinwne ston ellhniko lao, einai pragmatika mia desmeysh politikh, thn opoia prepei na thrhsoyme giati akribws sebomaste thn nohmosynh toy ellhnikoy laoy. Giati akribws qeloyme na mhn janasymbei pote sto mellon. Na mhn mpei kaneis ston peirasmo na skefqei oti mporei na parapoihsei stoixeia kai na ferqei me ayton ton tropo poy ferqhke h N.D apenanti ston polith kai stoys etairoys mas.

KOYTRAS: Dyo pragmata k. Ekproswpe. Prwton ean h anaqewrhsh toy elleimmatos pros ta epanw shmainei kai nea metra gia toys epomenoys treis mhnes toy 2010 kai deyteron ti qa ginei me toys promhqeytes twn nosokomeiwn, poy pali diamartyrontai, kaqws den exoyn plhrwqei.

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola na sas pw oti ean diapistwqei oti einai ayjhmeno to elleimma toy 2009, elaxisth epiptwsh qa exei gia to 2010. Ara, den yparxei periptwsh na exoyme nea metra kai malista ej aytoy toy logoy. Ekeino to opoio qa prepei na ypenqymisw einai oti mesa sto 2010 emeis meiwsame to elleimma apo 32 dis sta 18,5 dis eyrw. Pragmatika mia poly megalh epityxia, poy thn petyxame, fysika, me tis qysies toy Ellhna polith.

Oso gia to qema twn promhqeytwn twn nosokomeiwn, einai ena megalo zhthma to ti ginetai sta dhmosia nosokomeia. Htan kai einai mia katastash poy antanakla tis paqogeneies dekaetiwn, alla kai thn amesh anagkaiothta na ginoyn allages kai beltiwseis shmantikotates sto ESY, kati poy den ginetai poly eykola bebaia. Poly syntoma qa yparxoyn allages kai ston tropo mhxanorganwshs, etsi wste na peristalei h terastia spatalh sta dhmosia nosokomeia kai pragmatika na kataballontai ta xrhmata poy ypoxreoytai to ellhniko dhmosio gia tis pragmatikes promhqeies kai tis pragmatikes anagkes twn nosokomeiwn.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Milhsate ligo nwritera gia thn epilogh ths katallhlhs stigmhs apo th Nea Dhmokratia na sas epiteqei, mia kai twra einai h eykairia na kanete politikes yper toy laoy. Proxqes eixame thn kataqesh toy prosxedioy toy Proypologismoy, o opoios einai yfesiakos, problepei perissoteroys foroys, ligoteres dapanes, megalyterh anergia. Aytes einai oi politikes, ayth th stigmh, yper toy laoy;

PETALWTHS: Emeis kataqesame enan Proypologismo, o opoios einai, to exoyme ejhghsei kai to exoyme analysei polles fores, teleiws diaforetikos apo toys prohgoymenoys. Enas Proypologismos o opoios einai pistos, den einai eikonikos, o opoios exei baqos trietias kai fysika einai kai apotelesma ths poly shmantikhs doyleias poy egine olo ayton ton xrono se ola ta epipeda, alla akomh kai se epipedo katartishs Proypologismoy. Na ypenqymisw oti se ola ta ypoyrgeia yphrxe epitroph, h opoia ana trimhno estelne ta stoixeia sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, kati poy akribws deixnei thn ajiopistia mas. Pleon akoloyqoyme mia ajiopisth oikonomikh politikh. Den prokyptei oti einai enas Proypologismos forwn kai qysiwn toy ellhnikoy laoy, giati akribws olos aytos o Proypologismos tiqetai se ena sygkekrimeno plaisio, sto plaisio toy jeperasmatos ths krishs. H yfesh kai h anergia htan epomeno. Emeis den thn krycame pote. Isa, isa exoyme mesa se ayto to trietes programma - to opoio akoloyqoyme - kostologhsei kai xronoqethsei kai to pote qa jekinhsei h anaptyjh. Einai kati poy perimename. Ekeino to opoio exoyme na poyme me sigoyria, einai oti arxizoyme pleon kai blepoyme me aisiodojia ta pragmata se mia prooptikh, h opoia einai prooptikh baqoys, den einai prooptikh kapoiwn mhnwn kai den einai eikonikh prooptikh. Ekeino to opoio mporw na pw einai oti eimaste sigoyroi pws thrwntas aparegklita to programma mas qa yparxei meiwsh ths anergias kai h yfesh qa ginei anaptyjh. Mia anaptyjh, omws, h opoia basizetai se ena sygkekrimeno montelo anaptyjhs, giati den mporoyme na epistrecoyme sta idia. Ola ayta kai h meiwsh ths anergias, h ayjhsh ths ergasias, alla kai h anaptyjh qa erqei mesa apo mia diaforetikh politikh thn opoia hdh efarmozoyme.

SPANOY: Pro hmerwn o k. Mpegliths ekane mia foberh kataggelia oti ftiaxthkan paranomes perioysies panw se ejoplismoys. Enw kai o Toyrkos prwqypoyrgos k. Erntogan, eipe oti oi ejoplismoi briskontai ston pyrhna ths ellhnikhs oikonomikhs krishs. Qa kanete kapoia ejetastikh h kapoia allh diadikasia kaqarshs se ayton ton xwro;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, qa einai kalo na mhn sygxeoyme ayta poy eipe o k. Mpegliths, me ayta poy eipe o k. Erntogan. O k. Mpegliths ejefrase thn agwnia, alla kai thn apofasistikothta ths kybernhshs na stamathsei pleon ayto poy ginotan me toys ejoplismoys kai poy gnwrizei para poly kala kai o ellhnikos laos. Apo ekei kai pera, mpainoyn sygkekrimenes diadikasies diafaneias kai antikeimenikothtas stoys ejoplismoys. Oi ejoplismoi einai mia anagkaiothta poy mas epitassei h oxi kalh geitniash ola ayta ta xronia me thn Toyrkia. O de k. Erntogan, exoyme pei polles fores, otan milaei gia meiwsh twn ejoplismwn, qa prepei na to ennoei. Kai na to ennoei, se ayth thn periptwsh, einai na to deixnei h Toyrkia me prajeis. Monon tote mporoyn na meiwqoyn oi ejoplismoi. Emeis ton eqniko zwtiko mas xwro ton prostateyoyme. Dystyxws, ton prostateyoyme me ena bary timhma poy plhrwnei o ellhnikos laos. Gia ayto akribws ayto to bary timhma qa prepei h ellhnikh Politeia na to sebetai kai na stamathsei, pleon, ayto to gaitanaki poy yphrxe gyrw apo toys ejoplismoys, me ta kerdh kai me oles tis paqogeneies poy yphrxan. Desmeythkame, yparxei sto programma mas kai hdh efarmozoyme thn antikeimenikothta kai thn diafaneia kai stoys ejoplismoys.

POLYMEROS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw kati, sxetika me toys limenikoys. Diamartyrontai entona, to teleytaio xroniko diasthma kai kyriotera meta ton anasxhmatismo oti den gnwrizoyn akomh poy anhkoyn, poios einai o politikos toys proistamenos. Sas qymizw oti eimaste mia xwra, ths opoias ta Y perikleiontai apo qalassa. Exete na kanete kapoia dieykrinish panw se ayto;

PETALWTHS: Hdh, me to neo kybernhtiko kai ypoyrgiko sxhma exoyn kaqoristei kai oi armodiothtes toy neoy ypoyrgeioy Qalassiwn Ypoqesewn. Alla, yparxei kai entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros ton ypoyrgo Prostasias toy Polith, k. Papoytsh, na labei mia nomoqetikh prwtoboylia, etsi wste na systaqei arxhgeio ths ellhnikhs aktofylakhs. Oi armodiothtes toy qa kaqoristoyn leptomerws, alla mporw na sas pw oti skopos aytoy toy arxhgeioy einai akribws na prostateyei th xwra mas se olo to eyros twn aktwn poy thn perikleioyn.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, afoy o proypologismos den einai eikonikos kai kyriws to prosxedio toy, giati den anakoinwnete apo twra ti qa kanete me toys foroys kai kyriws me to FPA kai perimenete na perasoyn oi dhmotikes ekloges;

PETALWTHS: Exoyme pei oti yparxoyn enallaktika senaria, ta opoia exoyme ariqmhsei kai analysei polles fores kai oti qa prokriqei ekeinh h epilogh poy pragmatika qa bohqaei sthn prostasia toy eisodhmatos, eidika twn adynamwn kai meswn oikonomika politwn. Aytos einai o gnwmonas mas. Milame gia prosxedio mono toy Proypologismoy, ara sto sxedio Proypologismoy poy qa akoloyqhsei qa einai kaqorismenh kai h apofash mas. Fysika, xreiazetai epejergasia. H syzhthsh einai anoikth kai sto prosxedio toy Proypologismoy. Kai bebaia den prepei na ginetai kamia diasyndesh me tis aytodioikhtikes ekloges.

TSAKIRHS: Olo to prohgoymeno diasthma akoygame oti to megalo zhtoymeno kai o megalos stoxos gia thn kybernhsh, pleon, einai to qema ths anaptyjhs. Eixame malista gkrinies olo to prohgoymeno diasthma gia thn k. Katselh poy eixe ayto ton tomea, eixame allagh xartofylakioy. Teleytaia, diakrinoyme mia allagh sth stash sas. Dhladh, o k. Papakwnstantinoy elege xqes oti prwta prepei na mazecoyme to magazi, prwta dhmosionomikh peiqarxia kai meta h anaptyjh. Telika, pote skopeyete na proxwrhsete se ayto ton tomea;

PETALWTHS: H anaptyjh gia mas apotelei proteraiothta. Yparxei, omws, mia diafora, thn opoia qa prepei na katasthsoyme safh. H anaptyjh exei sxesh kai me ta dhmosionomika mas alla den perimenoyme na oloklhrwqei h qerapeia twn dhmosionomikwn mas, poy einai mia poly dyskolh katastash, gia na mporoyme na milame gia anaptyjh. Ekeino, omws, to opoio prepei na tonisoyme, einai oti emeis den qeloyme na epistrecoyme kai na askhsoyme morfes anaptyjhs, opws tis gnwrizame mexri twra. Qeloyme na yparjei ena neo montelo anaptyjhs, ayto dromologoyme kai oles mas oi kinhseis exoyn ayth thn kateyqynsh. Kai otan milame gia to prasino montelo anaptyjhs, den milame mono gia energeia. Milame gia to synolo twn anaptyjiakwn drasthriothtwn poy sebetai to periballon, to opoio dinei qeseis ergasias. Milame gia oysiastikh kai ygih epixeirhmatikothta kai mia seira allwn parametrwn, poy qa odhghsoyn se einai teleiws diaforetikh anaptyjh apo ayth poy gnwrizame mexri twra. Qa htan para poly eykolo na milhsoyme me oroys parelqontos. Qa gyrizame omws texnhta se mia apo ta idia. Kai exei apodeixqei oti ayto to montelo anaptyjhs den paragei, odhgei se anorqologismoys kai fysika den qeloyme na kanoyme kati tetoio.

TSAKIRHS: O k. Papakwnstantinoy xqes, eipe oti den mporoyn na yparjoyn ependyseis, ean h xwra prwta den kataferei na bgei stis agores. Pote, loipon, skopeyete na to kanete ayto;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, to pote qa bgoyme stis agores, einai to zhtoymeno. Kai fysika, emeis me thn politikh mas desmeyomaste oti qa mporoyme na bgoyme stis agores pio grhgora ap` oso exoyme ypologisei mexri twra. Ayto deixnei h poreia mas. Kai ayto einai to megalo zhtoymeno gia oloys mas. Omws, h anaptyjh kai oi ependyseis, parallhla, doyleyontai, etsi wste, opws anefera prohgoymenws, na yparxoyn ependyseis kai apo to ejwteriko, alla kai egxwries, alla se mia diaforetikh klimaka, me mia diaforetikh stoxeysh.

BITALHS: Epeidh parakoloyqhsa olh th roh ths apanthshs sas, sto qema ths anaptyjhs kai twn dhmosionomikwn kai htan arketa safh ayta poy eipate, anarwtiemai, ean h epixeirhmatologia h h ekklhsh toy k. Benizeloy sto teleytaio ypoyrgiko symboylio kai sta osa eipe xqes sth synenteyjh Typoy poy paraxwrhse, oti dhladh, nai men, kala kanoyme kai kanoyme ayth th dhmosionomikh anatajh, alla prepei na dwsoyme emfash kai na sthrijoyme mia diadikasia anaptyjhs se paradosiakoys tomeis ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai eipe sygkekrimena, oikodomh, toyrismo. Telika, ti ginetai; Lambanete ypoch ayth th diastash poy bazei enas koryfaios ypoyrgos kai arketa akomh stelexh h telika pame gia kati, opws ayto poy perigrafete;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na sas pw oti den yparxei kamia antifash, gi` ayto eipa prohgoymenws oti h anaptyjh exei polles parametroys. Qa mporoysame na pame se ena sygkekrimeno tomea. Emeis omws, blepoyme thn anaptyjh synolika - exoyme desmeytei proeklogika gi` ayto einai basikh mas arxh- kai ayto, fysika, den erxetai se kamia antifash me osa eipan o k. Benizelos h o k. Papakwnstantinoy. Gnwrizoyme, para poly kala, oti h anaptyjh einai ena poly synqeto megeqos, synepws oyte ``koympi'' yparxei, oyte mporoyme na rijoyme baros monodiastata se enan tomea ths. Einai mia synolikh antimetwpish poy ginetai apo thn kybernhsh, se ena synoliko plaisio, sto opoio hmastan kai eimaste desmeymenoi, alla kai akoloyqoyme.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Xqes, sthn koinoboyleytikh syneleysh toy Symboylioy ths Eyrwphs, egkriqhke chfisma, basei toy opoioy sto onoma ths diasaleyshs ths tajhs, problepetai anastolh twn dikaiwmatwn toy synerxesqai kai toy synetairizesqai, enw orizei ws ejtremismo kaqe laikh kinhtopoihsh kontra sthn kyriarxh politikh, enw fqanei akomh kai mexri toy shmeioy ths apagoreyshs leitoyrgias kommatwn. Poia einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, apenanti sto sygkekrimeno chfisma;

PETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme deijei sthn prajh oti sebomaste ta dhmokratika dikaiwmata poy einai kekthmena kai aytonohta pleon. Edw kai polla xronia, exoyme perasei apo th fash ths amfisbhthshs aytwn twn dhmokratikwn dikaiwmatwn kai fysika, h shmerinh kybernhsh apodeiknyei pws proaspizetai sthn prajh ayta ta dikaiwmata. Alla, ayto poy qelw na pw, en prokeimenw, einai oti o Ellhnas poliths deixnei mia ejairetikh wrimothta, pernwntas mia poly dyskolh fash ths zwhs toy, deixnei oti jerei kai na diamartyretai kai ton tropo me ton opoio na sebetai thn koinwnikh eirhnh, alla kai na yperaspizetai ta symferonta toy kai na ta diekdikei. Synepws, gia emas kapoia pragmata einai aytonohta kai adiapragmateyta.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Qewreite ejtremismo mia dynamikh kinhtopoihsh, apenanti se ena nomosxedio h se mia politikh apofash ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: Exoyme deijei sthn prajh, to pws antilambanomaste tis diekdikhseis twn ergazomenwn. Kai fysika, den qa mporoysame na exoyme mia tetoia qewrhsh.

SEGKOS: Tote, giati den to katachfisate ayto to sxedio;

PETALWTHS: Giati den anaferetai etsi akribws opws ta eipate. Yparxei mia sygkekrimenh qewrhsh, alla fysika den mporei kapoios na isxyristei oti anaferetai ws ejtremismos kaqe kinhtopoihsh. Gnwrizw para poly kala poia einai ayth h apofash.

SEGKOS: Yioqeteite ayth th logikh;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, yioqetoyme th logikh poy sas anefera. Kai oxi aplws thn yioqetoyme qewrhtika, alla th deixnoyme kai sthn prajh.

STRATAKHS: O k. Kastanidhs, sto sxedio nomoy gia thn aposymforhsh twn fylakwn, oysiastika kanei pio elastikh thn efarmogh twn poinwn. Ean den yparxei antifash, dhladh, apo th mia pleyra to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs na prospaqei na aposymforhsei tis fylakes kai apo thn allh to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn gia cylloy phdhma na se stelnei fylakh, ti einai; H mhpws yparxei skech sthn kybernhsh na diaxwrisei toys poinikoys apo toys parabates toy oikonomikoy egklhmatos kai na ftiajei p.x. fylakes gia mikroofeiletes toy dhmosioy, giati gia toys megaloofeiletes, asto, jexase to.

PETALWTHS: To na yparxei dynatothta xwristwn xwrwn krathshs gia osoys exoyn oikonomika adikhmata kai malista mikroadikhmata, qa htan qewrhtika ideato. Omws, h aposymforhsh twn fylakwn einai ena poly megalo egxeirhma, to opoio h ellhnikh Politeia prospaqei me diaforoys tropoys, mexri stigmhs anepityxws, na epityxei. Yparxei, omws, pleon mia diaforetikh qewrhsh apo thn kybernhsh. O ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, k. Kastanidhs lambanei sygkekrimenes apofaseis, etsi wste sto metro toy dynatoy na yparxei aposymforhsh twn fylakwn. Kai yparxoyn tropoi aposymforhshs mesa sta sygkekrimena plaisia. Ayto, omws, ep` oydeni shmainei oti qa yparxei atimwrhsia, eidikotera gia ekeina ta adikhmata poy blaptoyn ton Ellhna polith, ekeina ta adikhmata poy einai oikonomika kai exoyn sxesh me ta esoda toy ellhnikoy kratoys. Gia emas, h atimwrhsia einai dedomeno oti prepei na stamathsei. Prepei na teleiwsei. Kai gia na stamathsei h atimwrhsia, prepei sto politiko systhma kai sthn koinwnia poy zoyme na problepontai kai kapoies kyrwseis kai en prokeimenw kai kapoies poines. Ayto den exei sxesh me th symforhsh h thn aposymforhsh twn fylakwn.

XIDIROGLOY: Sas akoysa pro oligoy sthn eishghsh sas kai milhsate gia ceytika dilhmmata poy qetei h N.D. sto plaisio ``mnhmonio-antimnhmonio''. Oi endeijeis lene oti to mnhmonio dialyei ton koinwniko mas isto me terastio kostos gia ton topo. Kai qa sas dwsw ena paradeigma: O jenwnas toy idrymatos koinwnikhs pronoias Agiasoy sth Mytilhnh, einai monada apokatastashs ychloy baqmoy prostasias, h opoia filojenei atoma me nohtikh ysterhsh kai cyxika nosoyntes, me skopo thn koinwnikh toys entajh. Kai anaferomai se ayto to qema giati gnwrizw thn proswpikh sas eyaisqhsia se tetoia qemata. To programma, loipon, ayto sygxrhmatodoteitai me 75% apo thn E.E. kai 25% apo to ellhniko dhmosio. Edw kai oktw mhnes oi ennea ergazomenoi sto programma einai aplhrwtoi, para tis yposxeseis gia ryqmish toy qematos. Yparxei poly sobaros kindynos na kleisei o jenwnas, oi asqeneis na breqoyn sto dromo kai oi ergazomenoi na xasoyn th doyleia toys. Sas plhroforw oti polloi ap` aytoys akomh ergazontai kai prosferoyn koinwniko ergo, para thn asynepeia ths Politeias apenanti toys. Qa kanei kati to armodio ypoyrgeio gia to qema; Qa hqela, parakalw, na to koitajete to qema kai na mas enhmerwsete ayrio, giati einai qema eidikoy koinwnikoy endiaferontos kai afora kai thn topikh koinwnia.

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw to zhthma. Den exw kanena logo na amfisbhtw oti einai etsi opws ta lete. Qa to dw to zhthma, qa epikoinwnhsw me to armodio ypoyrgeio kai qa sas apanthsw. Qelw, omws, na sas pw oti ayta den einai apotelesmata toy mnhmonioy. Ean den yphrxe h politikh mas, den qa mporoysame shmera na milame gia prospaqeies, wste na apokatastaqoyn aytes oi adikies kai na synexisei na yparxei h opoia koinwnikh politikh toy ellhnikoy kratoys. Alla fysika, den poreyomaste basei toy mnhmonioy. Ola ayta einai apotelesma mias aparadekths politikhs poy xrhsimopoihqhke edw kai xronia. Mias politikhs poy den htan h deoysa koinwnikh kai oikonomikh politikh. Mias politikhs, bebaiws, poy dramatopoihqhke se poly megalo baqmo ta teleytaia xronia ths N.D. Synepws, qa htan para poly eykolo kai poly eyxaristo na leme oti gia ola ftaiei to mnhmonio. Den ftaiei to mnhmonio. Ftaine oi aparadektes politikes poy askoyntan mexri twra.

Sas eyxaristw.

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