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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 28 Ioylioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 280665504

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 28 Ioylioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Shmera blepoyme siga- siga toys karpoys ths syllogikhs prospaqeias ths kybernhshs kai twn politwn gia mia kalyterh Ellada. Oi domikes allages toy shmera qa mas apallajoyn apo thn pelateiakh logikh, tis parwxhmenes taktikes alla kai tis streblwseis kai ta kakws ennooymena kekthmena poy leitoyrgoysan eis baros twn politwn kai epibarynan gia xronia to ellhniko dhmosio kai fysika to dhmosio symferon.

Einai aytes oi allages, poy qemeliwnoyn stadiaka ena neo epiteliko kratos poy antameibei ton Ellhna polith poy sebetai ta xrhmata toy, poy dhmioyrgei tis aparaithtes ypodomes, poy parexei sygxrones yphresies, alla sygxronws prostateyei kai toys oikonomika adynatoys sympolites mas.

H kybernhsh sthrizei emprakta thn ellhnikh oikogeneia. Me to nomosxedio gia th ryqmish twn xrewn twn yperxrewmenwn noikokyriwn problepetai mia deyterh eykairia stoys sympolites mas, oi opoioi antimetwpizoyn problhma yperxrewshs na antapejelqoyn kai na diasfalisoyn ajioprepeis synqhkes diabiwshs.

Alla kai ston tomea ths paideias, gia prwth fora ta teleytaia xronia, ginetai sobarh prospaqeia apo thn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias me th qesmoqethsh kaqarwn kai ajiokratikwn kanonwn sth metalykeiakh ekpaideysh. Ena zhthma poy exei talanisei poly, idiaitera toys neoys kai thn ellhnikh oikogeneia. Se ayto to plaisio me apofash ths armodias ypoyrgoy k. Diamantopoyloy, mpainei tajh sta legomena, kapote, Kolegia poy shmera metonomazontai se Kentra Metalykeiakhs Ekpaideyshs, wste na apodidetai h akribhs toys leitoyrgia, enw apo tis saranta synolikes aithseis poy ypeblhqhsan, doqhke adeia se trianta kentra poy plhroysan akribws tis proypoqeseis toy nomoy.

Parakalw gia tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos exei sto aytokinhto toy kaysima na kykloforei;

PETALWTHS: Peraiterw.

BLAXOS: Exei kaysima sto aytokinhto toy na kykloforei;

PETALWTHS: Thn proektash ths erwthshs, na thn ypoqesw egw;

BLAXOS: Giati an exei, einai profanes giati den endiaferetai gia na exoyn kai oi ypoloipoi Ellhnes kaysima. Yparxei endiaferon ths kybernhshs gia na lysei ayto to terastio problhma poy antimetwpizei olh h Ellada, apo th mia akrh sthn allh, me toys forthgatzhdes; Kai deyteron, afoy den dwsate periodo xarhtos stoys syntajioyxoys kai stoys alloys ergazomenoys, giati dinete stoys forthgatzhdes tria xronia periodo xarhtos; H kanete twra apeleyqerwsh agoras h den kanete.

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, gnwrizoyme oti shmera yphrxe mia synanthsh toy genikoy grammatea toy armodioy ypoyrgeioy k. Tsioka me toys ekproswpoys twn idiokthtwn forthgwn dhmosias xrhshs. Einai safes oti h kybernhsh apo th dikh ths pleyra edeije th boylhsh ths gia epiteyjh symfwnias, parexontas mia epipleon adeia gia kaqe yfistamenh kai dinontas forologika kinhtra gia kaqe neo idiokthth. Emeis sebomaste to moxqo aytwn twn epaggelmatiwn. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, yparxei to dhmosio symferon, to opoio eimaste ypoxrewmenoi na yphrethsoyme. Den einai aplws mia epilogh kai mia epitagh ths troikas gia na ejasfalisoyme ton epiqymhto daneismo. Einai dikh mas politikh epilogh. Einai politikh epilogh ayths ths kybernhshs na apeleyqerwqei h agora, etsi wste na yparxei ejoikonomhsh, thn opoia qa karpwqei h ellhnikh oikogeneia, o mesos Ellhnas poliths. Kai yparxei sygkekrimenh meleth, symfwna me thn opoia yparxei ena megalo ofelos gia ton kaqe Ellhna polith apo aythn akribws thn apeleyqerwsh. Kai fysika kataballetai akomh prospaqeia gia dialogo kai yparxei akomh xronos mexri thn chfish toy nomosxedioy na yparxei kai dhmosios kai sygkekrimenos dialogos me toys endiaferomenoys. Apo kei kai pera, omws, an synexisoyn oi idiokthtes forthgwn dhmosias xrhshs na aporriptoyn tis protaseis ths kybernhshs, h kybernhsh me prajeis, pleon, qa analabei thn koinwnikh eyqynh, thn eyqynh poy exei apenanti stoys polites kai sthn koinwnia.

BLAXOS: Epitajh, dhladh;

PETALWTHS: Eimaste apofasismenoi na prostateysoyme to dhmosio symferon. To symferon toy Ellhna polith kai ayto den mporei na empodistei apo kanenan kai me tipota. Emeis synexizoyme, endiaferomaste gia to dialogo, alla den qa afhsoyme th xwra na talanizetai apo tetoioy eidoys symperifores.

BLAXOS: Epitajh h apeleyqerwsh edw kai twra;

BLAXOS: Einai dyo. H epitajh h apeleyqerwsh edw kai twra.

PETALWTHS: Sas ejhghsa jekaqara ti kanoyme. Briskomaste se mia hmera poy ginontai akomh diapragmateyseis kai as meinoyme ekei. H apeleyqerwsh exei apofasistei, epanalambanw, kai den einai mono epitagh ths troikas. Einai kaqarh epilogh ayths ths kybernhshs. Epeidh, omws, eimaste mia kybernhsh, h opoia metra ta pragmata stis pragmatikes toys diastaseis . Gi` ayto akribws eixe apofasistei mia metabatikh periodos pente etwn poy perioristhke sth metabatikh periodo triwn etwn, giati afora sth perioysia pollwn anqrwpwn. Kai akribws ayth thn apeleyqerwsh yperaspizomaste kai yposthrizoyme kai me ta nomoqethmata kai me tis prajeis mas.

BLAXOS: Ara, pame se epitajh. Ayto mas lete.

PETALWTHS: Egw apanthsa me ton tropo poy apanthsa.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti ean synexisoyn na aporriptoyn tis protaseis ths kybernhshs, qa analabete me prajh thn koinwnikh eyqynh poy sas analogei kai oti ginontai akomh kapoies diapragmateyseis. Na symperanw oti perimenete thn apofash, san kybernhsh, ths genikhs syneleyshs poy pragmatopoieitai twra gia na kaqorisete thn telikh sas stash;

PETALWTHS: Emeis kaname sygkekrimenes protaseis kai den tis kaname shmera. Tis kanoyme olo ayto to diasthma poy exei anoijei ayto to zhthma, to opoio eprepe na exei anoijei edw kai para polla xronia. Einai gnwsto oti to systhma twn metaforwn, mesa apo ta forthga dhmosias xrhshs, den ejyphretoyse to dhmosio symferon apo polles apoceis. Einai ena kataloipo toy parelqontos kai ayto akribws prospaqoyme na qerapeysoyme. Apo th stigmh, omws, poy emeis to anoigoyme to qema, to xeirizomaste kai me eyaisqhsia, alla kai me plhrh ypeyqynothta. Kai shmera, ayth th stigmh ths enhmerwshs twn politikwn syntaktwn, ap oso gnwrizoyme, ginetai kai h genikh syneleysh twn idiokthtwn. Oi ekproswpoi toys, sth synanthsh poy egine me ton k. Tsioka, arnhqhkan tis protaseis ths kybernhshs. Einai, pleon, qema twn idiwn twn syneleysewn na apofasisoyn gia th stash toys. Einai diko toys qema.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Poio einai to xroniko periqwrio poy exei balei h kybernhsh wste na ejantlhsei ta periqwria dialogoy h ypodomhs;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxoyn xronika periqwria. Milame me sygkekrimenes protaseis. Aytes tis protaseis poy eixame tis epanalabame kai shmera se mia synanthsh poy egine kai apo ekei kai pera, o kaqenas einai ypeyqynos gia to synolo, gia thn koinwnia kai energei analogws.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ypoqetw, loipon, oti an h genikh syneleysh twn apergwn parei apofash na synexisei tis kinhtopoihseis, tote qa yparjoyn kai oi prajeis ths kybernhshs. Etsi, den yparxei kanena nohma na perimenei peraiterw h kybernhsh.

PETALWTHS: Egw sas anefera thn politikh mas kai thn taktikh mas.

BITALHS: Gia to idio qema k. Ekproswpe. Nomizw oti gnwrizete para poly kala kai eseis kai oloklhrh h kybernhsh oti apo Paraskeyh, Sabbato, o megalyteros ogkos twn Ellhnwn qa fygei na jekoyrastei, na kanei tis diakopes toy. Qa afhsete ayton ton kosmo na talaipwrhqei h na mhn fygei apo thn Aqhna;

PETALWTHS: Egw sas anefera oti h kybernhsh exei ena sygkekrimeno politiko sxediasmo panw se ayto to megalo zhthma kai analambanei kai me prajeis thn eyqynh poy exei apenanti sto dhmosio symferon h ston Ellhna polith. Einai jekaqaro.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Giati den lete thn proqesh ths kybernhshs gia thn epistrateysh, giati den xrhsimopoieite, giati...

PETALWTHS: Den mporoyme na xrhsimopoihsoyme fraseis...

MAKRYGIANNHS: Mhpws fobaste to politiko kostos, epeidh palaiotera to PASOK eixe antitaxqei se tetoies praktikes;

PETALWTHS: An fobomastan to politiko kostos, den qa kaname kamia megalh allagh apo aytes poy kanoyme edw kai tosoys mhnes, mesa se antijoes synqhkes. Kai apodeiknyoyme oti den fobomaste to politiko kostos. To mono poy mas endiaferei einai to dhmosio symferon kai to symferon toy Ellhna polith.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ara, shmera, meta thn piqanon kai diafainomenh, en pash periptwsei, arnhtikh ejelijh twn pragmatwn, qa proxwrhsete se epistrateysh.

PETALWTHS: Ayta einai dika sas symperasmata.

BLAXOS: Otan lete, k. Ekproswpe, oti sas endiaferei to dhmosio symferon kai to symferon toy polith, ayth th stigmh yparxoyn polites poy exoyn egklwbistei sthn eparxia, den mporoyn na metakinhqoyn enw prepei na metakinhqoyn. Yparxoyn anqrwpoi poy exoyn paragei sta xwrafia toys proionta kai den mporoyn na pane na ta poylhsoyn kai sapizoyn, yparxoyn...

PETALWTHS: Ayth th stigmh, thn apergia thn kanoyn oi idiokthtes metaforikwn meswn.

BLAXOS: Nai, alla eseis lete oti endiafereste gia to dhmosio symferon kai to symferon toy Ellhna polith. Pws endiafereste, otan ejw den mporei na kykloforhsei kaneis kai sapizoyn ta proionta, otan katastrefontai epixeirhseis kai anqrwpoi poy einai egklwbismenoi kai den mporoyn na gyrisoyn spiti toys;

PETALWTHS: Se kaqe apergia poy ginetai, yparxoyn kai synepeies. Otan aytes oi synepeies apoktoyn diastaseis poy einai opws aytes poy anaferate, to Dhmosio, h kybernhsh analambanei kai thn eyqynh wste na lyqoyn aytes oi katastaseis. Kai ayto to kanoyme me ton pleon sobaro kai endedeigmeno tropo.

BLAXOS: Poia einai h wra poy qa analabete thn eyqynh, k. Ekproswpe;

PETALWTHS: Thn eyqynh emeis thn exoyme analabei kai me to dialogo, giati an nomizete oti h eyqynh einai ayto poy eipe o synadelfos sas prohgoymenws, na katalhjoyme kapoy dhladh, den symfwnoyme. Emeis, ayth thn eyqynh thn analabame kai me to poy anoijame to megalo zhthma ths apeleyqerwshs twn metaforwn kai me to dialogo poy diejagoyme mexri twra kai me tis protaseis poy kataqetoyme ws ypeyqynh kybernhsh. Alla, akomh kai ayth th stigmh, otan kaloyme toys idiokthtes twn forthgwn na analaboyn tis eyqynes toys kai na synaisqanqoyn to neo plaisio sto opoio qa kineitai pleon h metafora agaqwn sthn Ellada. Ayth einai prajh eyqynhs diarkeias kai tetoia poy mexri twra kamia kybernhsh den elabe.

BLAXOS: O ellhnikos laos k. Ekproswpe, chfise mia kybernhsh gia na frontizei gia to symferon toy...

PETALWTHS: Kai ayto kanei me ton kalytero tropo.

BLAXOS: Ayth th stigmh eseis, mia oloklhrh kybernhsh perimenei th genikh syneleysh twn bytioforewn. Ma, einai dynaton na yparxei mia kybernhsh poy perimenei ti qa kanei h genikh syneleysh enos syndikalistikoy organoy gia na apofasisete ean kapoios pateras poy exei arrwsthsei to paidi toy kai prepei na to paei sto nosokomeio kai den exei benzinh na to paei; 'H kapoios poy exei egklwbistei ektos Aqhnwn kai prepei na gyrisei sth doyleia toy h sthn oikogeneia toy, den mporei giati den exei benzinh; Kai perimenoyme th genikh syneleysh twn bytioforewn; Toys forthgatzhdes chfise o ellhnikos laos h esas, gia na jeroyme;

PETALWTHS: Ean blepate ta pragmata ligo pio realistika kai xwris yperboles qa diapistwnate oti akribws bhma pros bhma kai me ton kalytero kai pio ypeyqyno tropo ayth h kybernhsh symperiferetai ston ellhniko lao. Den mporoyme na ekbiazoyme tipota. Sas eipa kai prohgoymenws oti yparxei sygkekrimeno politiko sxedio kai yparxei sygkekrimenh politikh apofash. Kai oi metafores qa apeleyqerwqoyn me bash to sxedio poy exei h kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: Edw ekbiazetai mia oloklhrh xwra k. Ekproswpe apo mia merida syndikalistwn kai h kybernhsh adei.

PETALWTHS: Nomizete oti adei.

BLAXOS: Tragoyda kanonika.

PETALWTHS: Nomizete oti adei. Alles kybernhseis symperiferontan me ayto ton tropo. Ean olh ayth thn ypeyqynh stash ths kybernhshs eseis thn ermhneyete oti ``sfyrizei adiafora'', tote, loipon, opoios parakoloyqei thn kaqhmerinh ejelijh kai thn kaqhmerinh eidhseografia, mallon exei antiqeth gnwmh apo esas.

TSAKIRHS: O k. Tsiokas, xqes, milwntas se deltio thleoptikoy staqmoy mazi me ton ekproswpo twn forthgatzhdwn, eipe oti shmera einai to deadline gia thn kybernhsh, oti den mporei na paei allo ayth h katastash, peran ths shmerinhs hmeras. Isxyei ayto; Dhladh, h apanthsh, poy eipate, ths kybernhshs qa einai shmera;

PETALWTHS: Sas eqesa to sygkekrimeno plaisio basei toy opoioy leitoyrgei h kybernhsh ws pros ayto to qema. Proseggizoyme to qema me sobarothta, xwris laikismo, me ypeyqynothta kai sebasmo sto dhmosio symferon.

TSAKIRHS: Rwtaw an isxyei ayto poy eipe o k. Tsiokas.

PETALWTHS: O k. Tsiokas, o opoios exei epejergastei poly swsta olo ayto to sxedio, fysika mazi me olh thn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy kai dienergei kai tis diapragmateyseis, ennoeitai pws o,ti exei pei, isxyei. Kai to leei me ypeyqynothta kai sobarothta.

FASOYLAS: Epeidh kaqe wra poy pernaei me thn apergia twn idiokthtwn forthgwn einai krisimh, mexri thn Paraskeyh me ton ena h ton allo tropo qa exei doqei lysh;

PETALWTHS: Sas anefera prohgoymenws pws energei h kybernhsh. Sas to periegraca leptomerws.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh exete metexei kai sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph palaiotera gia to Batopedi, qelw na sas rwthsw, ean aisqaneste oti metexete kapoias skeywrias. Dioti exete kataggelqei, xqes, me poly sklhro tropo apo thn hgesia toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias, apo ton grammatea ths kai apo ena diakekrimeno stelexos ths, oti exete organwsei mia skeywria kata ths Neas Dhmokratias, oti exete apokrycei stoixeia poy aforoyn gnwmodothseis poy den prokyptei zhmia gia to ellhniko Dhmosio kai mia seira alla pragmata. Yparxei kapoia politikh apanthsh;

PETALWTHS: Einai alhqeia oti h Nea Dhmokratia mas ekplhssei, prospaqwntas na brei tropoys na kalycei thn pragmatikothta. Kaneis den qa mporoyse, meta apo tosa xronia diereynhshs gi` ayto to terastio skandalo toy Batopedioy, na dianohqei oti h Nea Dhmokratia, me toys dyo eklektoys synadelfoys boyleytes kai prwhn ypoyrgoys, qa kateqete sth Dikaiosynh ypotiqemena stoixeia poy dhqen apodeiknyoyn oti den yparxei blabh toy dhmosioy symferontos. Kaneis Ellhnas poliths den qa mporoyse na dianohqei oti h Nea Dhmokratia qa epixeirhsei me ayto ton tropo na kalycei tis eyqynes prwhn ypoyrgwn ths kai olwn ekeinwn twn stelexwn ths, poy pragmatika oxi aplws bohqhsan kai synedraman, alla poy sxediasan me kentriko sxediasmo sto Megaro Majimoy epi kybernhshs Karamanlh, na lehlathqei h dhmosia perioysia. Qa mporoysa na to xarakthrisw qrasos ths Neas Dhmokratias, alla nomizw oti aytes oi fraseis einai toso tetrimmenes poy adikoyn pragmatika ayth th symperifora. Exei ekdwsei sxetikh anakoinwsh ep` aytoy o synadelfos boyleyths, k. Mpeteniwths, poy htan kai proedros ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs gia to Batopedi, me thn opoia stoixeioqetei oti ayta ta stoixeia poy ypotiqetai oti apekryce to PASOK htan sth diaqesh ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. An ta melh ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs ths Neas Dhmokratias ekanan ton kopo na anoijoyn kai na diabasoyn thn ogkwdestath dikografia, qa to eixan diapistwsei. Alla, pragmatika oloi ekplhssomaste shmera, otan h Nea Dhmokratia, h opoia jekaqara mesa apo kentriko sxediasmo, sxediase, organwse kai ylopoihse ayto to terastio skandalo toy Batopedioy, erxetai na mas pei oti den yparxei - kainoyrgio efeyrhma ayto- blabh toy dhmosioy symferontos. Na ypenqymisw, de, oti prwton, oi ajies twn antallassomenwn akinhtwn einai safeis, den exoyn apokryfqei apo kanenan, alla na ypenqymisw, epishs, peraiterw sth Nea Dhmokratia kai stoys synadelfoys poy kateqesan ta stoixeia ek meroys ths Neas Dhmokratias, oti aytes oi antallages einai antallages ``filetwn'' toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy me xiliosta ths limnhs Bistwnidas, mias limnhs poy einai koinoxrhstos topos. Apo mono toy kai xwris kan kapoios na ypologize ajies kai yperajies, ayto einai skandalo. Den yparxoyn, pleon, tropoi na kryfqei h Nea Dhmokratia. Kai me kaqe prajh ths, opws h xqesinh, prajh aneyqynothtas, nomizei oti mporei na ejapathsei gia allh mia fora ton ellhniko lao.

POLYMEROS: Kai ena allo qema poy epishs sas afora. Diabasa se ena parapolitiko sxolio sto ``EQNOS'', an den kanw laqos, gia deyterh fora, gia tis metaqeseis ypallhlwn sta grafeia Typoy Ejwterikoy. Malista, xarakthristika anaferetai sto sxolio oti aytes oi metaqeseis ginontai ayqaireta kai stoixizoyn ekatommyria sto ellhniko kratos. Einai pragmatika etsi;

PETALWTHS: Epeidh akribws ginetai h telikh epejergasia twn metaqesewn gia th leitoyrgia twn grafeiwn Typoy Ejwterikoy kai ayth th stigmh yparxei en ejelijei yphresiako symboylio sth Genikh Grammateia Epikoinwnias-Enhmerwshs, ayto poy exw mono na pw einai: Ayto to ``panhgyri'' poy ginotan, eidika apo tis kybernhseis ths Neas Dhmokratias ta teleytaia xronia, pleon stamata. Emeis brhkame mia katastash sta grafeia Typoy Ejwterikoy, ta opoia qewrhtika exoyn mia ejairetikh leitoyrgia kai stoxeysh kai apartizontai apo stelexh ths dioikhshs me ejairetika prosonta, na einai kentra roysfetologikhs kalychs. Kaname sygkekrimena bhmata poy qa anakoinwsoyme se poly liges hmeres. Prwta ap` ola, katarghsame dia nomoy toys epi qhteia dhmosiografoys, oi opoioi ypotiqetai oti proerxontai apo to xwro ws proswpikothtes kai topoqetoyntan me kaqara pelateiakh logikh kai me ypoyrgikh apofash ws proistamenoi sta grafeia Typoy Ejwterikoy. Kai malista me qhteia, h opoia htan toylaxiston trieths kai me dynatothta ananewshs. Aytos o qesmos hdh katarghqhke me tropologia. Apo kei kai pera, proxwrame se anastolh leitoyrgias enos ariqmoy grafeiwn Typoy Ejwterikoy, opoy me bash sygkekrimenoys kanones diapistwsame oti oi anagkes poy kalyptan mporoysan na kalyfqoyn apo alla plhsion grafeia Typoy. Kaloyme na epistrecei sthn kentrikh yphresia enas megalos ariqmos stelexwn twn grafeiwn Typoy ejwterikoy, me bash ton ejorqologismo ths leitoyrgias toys. Kai fysika, stamatame olo to pelateiako parti poy eixe sthsei h Nea Dhmokratia. Apo aytes tis kinhseis, poy ginontai apo mena ws armodio ypoyrgo kai se synergasia me to Geniko Grammatea, prospaqoyme na kalycoyme kai na ylopoihsoyme th desmeysh toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia enswmatwsh twn grafeiwn Typoy stis presbeies. Hdh, enas poly megalos ariqmos exei entaxqei stis presbeies, systegazetai, enswmatwnetai kai symbainei akribws to antiqeto apo ayta poy epikaleitai to dhmosieyma. Oxi aplws ``noikokyreyoyme'', ejorqologizoyme ta grafeia Typoy Ejwterikoy, dinoyme th dynatothta sta stelexh poy apoteloyn to dynamiko toys na anaptyjoyn to poly megalo ergo toys, poy einai h prowqhsh ths swsths eikonas ths xwras mas sto ejwteriko. Kai fysika, kanoyme mia poly megalh oikonomia me peristolh dapanwn. Ayto, bebaiws, gnwrizoyme oti xalaei th diaskedash, to parti kapoiwn, oi opoioi kai dioxeteyoyn tetoioy eidoys dhmosieymata.

POLYMEROS: Aytoi lete na eyqynontai gia to thlefwnhma gia th bomba poy zhsame prin apo ligo;

PETALWTHS: Agnwsto. Den nomizw oti qa efqane kaneis se ayto to shmeio. Kapoios, omws, nomize oti qa mporoyse na stamathsei thn enhmerwsh, ta yphresiaka symboylia, th leitoyrgia ths Genikhs Grammateias Epikoinwnias-Enhmerwshs, kati poy emeis akyrwsame sthn prajh.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Ajiwmatoyxos ths Komision, milwntas xqes sto Reuters, apokalyce oti h troika exei zhthsei apo thn kybernhsh thn pwlhsh toy 40% monadwn ths DEH se idiwtes. Pws to sxoliazei h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh ayto poy prospaqei na kanei genikws sto xwro ths energeias einai na askhsei mia sygkekrimenh politikh. Politikh poy exei na kanei me thn paroxh kaqe eidoys energeias kai me fqhna timologia ston ellhniko lao. Kai den yparxei skech gia pwlhsh monadwn ths DEH.

MIXAHL: Mia tetoia ejelijh, symperilambanetai sto mnhmonio; Giati eixate mia pagia qesh, o,ti kanete to kanete giati htan to mnhmonio poy symfwnhqhke metajy ths Elladas kai ths troika. Qelw na rwthsw, loipon, pws qa antimetwpisete, afoy den perilambanontai tetoies apofaseis, tetoies protaseis, olh ayth thn prospaqeia poy ginetai akoma (den akoygetai) kai gia idioteleis logoys apo kapoioys paragontes.

PETALWTHS: Briskomaste sthn Ellada kai h ellhnikh kybernhsh, opws problepoyn to Syntagma kai oi nomoi, lambanei tis apofaseis ths. To mnhmonio qa prepei na to exoyme stis swstes diastaseis, apotelei mia symbash me thn troika, me aytoys poy mas daneizoyn. Mesa apo ayth th symbash, omws, qesame kai para polla stoixeia poy einai stoixeia allagwn, metarryqmisewn kai qetikhs leitoyrgias ths ellhnikhs Politeias. Apo kei kai pera, emeis apofasizoyme, eidika gia ton tomea ths energeias, poy einai poly shmantikos. Kai ayto qa kanoyme kai fysika kanoyme.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa qelame na mas metaferete poia einai h diaqesh toy ypoyrgoy Prostasias toy Polith k. Xrysoxoidh, shmera. Einai eyxaristhmenos me ayta poy symbainoyn, me ayta poy grafontai, einai anhsyxos;

PETALWTHS: Gia poio qema;

BLAXOS: Gia thn anakoinwsh ths Sextas.

PETALWTHS: Sth Sexta anafereste.

BLAXOS: Anaferomai ston ypoyrgo Prostasias toy Polith ean einai aisiodojos, eydiaqetos, yperfialos, ti;

PETALWTHS: Genikws, dhladh;

BLAXOS: Meta apo ayto poy dhmosieyetai shmera.

PETALWTHS: Den qa kanw to cyxografhma, oyte qa anaferw th diaqesh toy kaqe ypoyrgoy. To mono poy mporw na sas anaferw einai oti oloi oi ypoyrgoi ayths ths kybernhshs olo ayto to diasthma poy briskomaste sth diakybernhsh ths xwras, agwnioyme gia to mellon ths xwras, kaqenas ston tomea eyqynhs toy. Oson afora ayth thn anakoinwsh poy dhmosieyqhke, ennoeitai oti tetoioy eidoys keimena den ta sxoliazoyme.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh anaferqhkate nwritera sto mnhmonio, akoysa xqes boyleyth ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs na mila gia taktikismoys, ths Neas Dhmokratias, kata thn chfish toy kai na ekfrazei th bebaiothta toy oti an zhtoysate ayjhmenh pleiochfia, qa anagkazetai th Nea Dhmokratia na to chfisei. Qa hqela to sxolio sas;

PETALWTHS: H Nea Dhmokratia, gia na to leei o boyleyths ths, mallon askeitai kai ejaskeitai se taktikismoys. Emeis askoyme ypeyqynh politikh, sobarh politikh kai eidika se megala zhthmata, opws einai to qema ths chfishs toy mnhmonioy.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Epeidh hrqe to parapemptiko xqes gia ta perifhma Greek statistics sth Boylh kai stamata kai sto onoma toy prwhn Prwqypoyrgoy, ayto shmainei epitaxynsh ths diadikasias gia systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs kai mallon biaih (den akoygetai) toy prwhn Prwqypoyrgoy na emfanistei kai na milhsei gia ta pepragmena ths kybernhshs toy;

PETALWTHS: To qema twn legomenwn Greek statistics, dhladh twn parapoihmenwn stoixeiwn poy edine h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, einai ena qema para poly megalo kai en pollois se ayth thn anajiopistia ths Neas Dhmokratias ofeiloyme kai thn katastash poy briskomaste shmera. Ara, exoyme desmeyqei, oytws h allws, oti osoi einai ypeyqynoi gia thn parapoihsh aytwn twn stoixeiwn, gia thn eytelismo poy ypesth h xwra mas kai to diasyrmo, me apotelesma na fqasoyme na briskomaste se mia katastash, qa prepei na diereynhqoyn oi eyqynes aytes. Kai fysika, emeis exoyme zhthsei ws PASOK, th systash armodias Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, etsi wste na apofasistei ean yparxoyn politikes eyqynes kai poy qa katalogistoyn. Einai ena megalo zhthma me polles diastaseis kai tragikes synepeies gia ton ellhniko lao kai th xwra genikotera.

BLAXOS: Dhladh, mporoyme na doyme Eidiko Dikasthrio gia ton k. Karamanlh;

PETALWTHS: Egw menw se ayta poy sas eipa.

BLAXOS: Den to apokleiete, pantws;

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Qa qesw alliws thn erwthsh. Kata thn ektimhsh sas yparxei eyqynh kai toy prwhn prwqypoyrgoy;

PETALWTHS: Aytes tis eyqynes tis katalogizei h Ejetastikh Epitroph, poy otan sygklhqei qa ejetasei me poly megalh sobarothta, xwris laikismoys, me ypeyqynothta, opws kanoyn oi Ejetastikes Epitropes ths Boylhs tyxon eyqynes.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epeidh o k. Karamanlhs einai prwhn prwqypoyrgos, qa ton antimetwpisei me diaforetiko tropo h pleiochfia shmera; To PASOK;

PETALWTHS: Politika h nomika kai typika;

MAKRYGIANNHS: Oxi, politika en pash periptwsei. Qa ton antimetwpisei diaforetika; Kai an prokycei kai nomiko qema argotero kai nomika. Alla qa ton antimetwpisei diaforetika epeidh einai prwhn prwqypoyrgos h qa einai ategkth, na to poyme etsi kai an...

PETALWTHS: Aytes oi Ejetastikes Epitropes, otan systhnontai, systhnontai mesa apo tis koinoboyleytikes diadikasies kai exoyn ena sygkekrimeno ergo. Exoyn sygkekrimenh entolh apo to Koinoboylio. Ayth thn entolh thn ejeidikeyoyn mesa apo proswpa kai eyqynes. Kai fysika kaneis den einai yperanw toy nomoy kai aytwn twn Epitropwn.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Den isxyei mia palia rhsh oti prwhn prwqypoyrgoi, gia paradeigma, den pane fylakh h paei legontas;

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa.

TSAKIRHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw - eipate oti den qelete na sxoliasete thn prokhryjh ths Sextas- wstoso blepoyme oti se ayto to keimeno apeiloyntai para polloi anqrwpoi kai fwtografizontai oysiastika ws stoxoi. Pws skopeyete na toys prostateysete;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, tetoioy eidoys keimena to mono poy kanoyn einai na prospaqoyn na skorpisoyn to fobo. Emeis ws ellhnikh koinwnia, ws dhmokratikh koinwnia de fobomaste kai den tromokratoymaste. H apanthsh se tetoioy eidoys energeies einai apanthsh ths koinwnias synolika kai ayto poy mporei kai exei ypoxrewsh na diasfalisei h Politeia, einai ekeines tis synqhkes, etsi wste na mhn fobatai kaneis. Kai shmera den prepei na fobatai kaneis.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Me aytokinhta symbatika poy kykloforoyn oi ypoyrgoi h alla anwtata kratika stelexh, einai dynaton na mhn yparxei fobos, k. Ekproswpe;

PETALWTHS: H Dhmokratia prostateyetai me alloys tropoys kai oxi me qwrakismena aytokinhta.

Sas eyxaristw.

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