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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 19 Ioylioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 279089042

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 19 Ioylioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri kai kalh ebdomada.

H kybernhsh katadikazei aperifrasta thn anandrh, en cyxrw dolofonia toy dhmosiografoy Swkrath Gkiolia. H Dhmokratia kai h eleyqeria toy logoy den fimwnontai, den tromokratoyntai kai den apeiloyntai.

Oi armodies Arxes hdh exoyn analabei thn ypoqesh, me skopo na syllhfqoyn kai na parapemfqoyn sth Dikaiosynh oi ypaitioi toy stygeroy aytoy egklhmatos. Ekfrazoyme ta qerma syllyphthria mas sthn oikogeneia toy qymatos kai toys oikeioys toy.

Sto metwpo ths oikonomias, twra, h kybernhsh proxwra se oles tis aparaithtes energeies, prokeimenoy na doqei mia anasa sthn pragmatikh oikonomia kai tis mikromesaies epixeirhseis. Se ayto to plaisio, ypografhke shmera, apo thn ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs kai toys paragwgikoys foreis, to symbolaio sthrijhs twn mikromesaiwn epixeirhsewn. Se mia periodo yfeshs, opoy h biwsimh kai dikaih anaptyjh einai ena shmantiko zhtoymeno gia thn anaqermansh ths oikonomias mas, to symbolaio ayto ejasfalizei gera qemelia kai ygieis proypoqeseis anaptyjhs.

To symbolaio problepei, metajy allwn, th systash tameioy epixeirhmatikothtas, me idia kefalaia, ycoys 460 ekatommyriwn eyrw, proerxomena apo to ESPA, alla kai thn energopoihsh enos akomh xrhmatodotikoy ergaleioy, toy JEREMIE, proypologismoy 290 ekatommyriwn eyrw, me stoxo thn enisxysh twn mikromesaiwn epixeirhsewn kai kat epektash, thn enisxysh ths agoras.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, meta thn ekqesh toy Dieqnoys Nomismatikoy Tameioy, h opoia epishmainei kapoia qemata gia to Asfalistiko, yparxei periptwsh na doyme nea metra se o,ti afora to Asfalistiko;

PETALWTHS: To asfalistiko nomosxedio poy chfisthke prin apo liges hmeres apotelei mia shmantikh metarryqmish ths kybernhshs. Oi diatajeis toy nomosxedioy, poy to qewroyme ws mia apo tis shmantikoteres tomes kai diarqrwtikes allages kai ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, ejasfalizoyn th biwsimothta toy asfalistikoy systhmatos. Synepws, den yparxoyn zhthmata peraiterw epejergasias toy kai allaghs toy.

KAKALHS: Wstoso, o k. Loberdos, se kyriakatikh synenteyjh toy, dhlwse oti to qema einai anoixto, giati, ejalloy kai oi odhgies ths troikas kai toy DNT einai oti prepei na pesoyn ta ejoda gia to Asfalistiko sto 2,5% toy AEP mexri to 2060. Pws apokleiete eseis ta nea metra, otan kai o ypoyrgos leei oti einai anoixto, alla kai to DNT leei oti einai anoixto to qema.

PETALWTHS: Emeis kaname mia shmantikh doyleia, poly prosegmenh kai me poly leptomerh analysh. Hdh, exoyme labei ypoch mas oles tis enallaktikes probleceis. Sto nomoqethma sto opoio katalhjame, eimaste bebaioi oti qa eydokimhsei kai qa dwsei ta epiqymhta apotelesmata. Fysika, ola ejartwntai apo to pws phgainei h ellhnikh oikonomia kai fysika to dilhmma gia emas einai na proxwrhsoyme se aytes tis megales allages kai metarryqmiseis poy kanoyme.

KAKALHS: Ara, to afhnete kai eseis anoixto...

PETALWTHS: Ayta einai dika sas symperasmata kai qa moy epitrecete, na pw oti einai en pollois ayqaireta.

MPOTWNHS: H kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh me ton tropo poy leitoyrghse o kratikos mhxanismos stis prosfates fwties; Giati eidame na kaigontai pali ekatontades stremmata, xiliades stremmata dasoys sthn Attikh, prosfatws.

PETALWTHS: Oi synepeies apo tis pyrkagies se olh thn ellhnikh epikrateia, edw kai para polla xronia, einai gnwstes. Apo ekei kai pera, mporoyme na dhlwsoyme oti eimaste ikanopoihmenoi, giati me tis synqhkes poy epikratoysan, o kratikos mhxanismos apedeije gia allh mia fora oti otan yparxei organwsh kai boylhsh, eidikotera apo thn politikh hgesia, alla kai fysika me thn aytaparnhsh twn ypallhlwn ths Pyrosbestikhs, tote pragmatika ta apotelesmata einai qetika, oso qetika mporei na einai meta apo mia pyrkagia. Analogizomaste omws oti qa mporoysan na yparxoyn poly dysmenesteres synepeies, ean den leitoyrgoyse to kratos, opws leitoyrghse se ayth th sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

MPOTWNHS: Akoysame, xqes, dhmarxoys alla kai paragontes ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs poy ekanan logo gia elleiceis sta mesa, alla epishs kai gia anqrwpino dynamiko. Exete kapoio sxolio se ayto;

PETALWTHS: Emeis me to sygkekrimeno anqrwpino dynamiko kai me ta sygkekrimena mesa poy diaqetei h Pyrosbestikh Yphresia prospaqoyme na kanoyme, se politiko epipedo, kata to dynaton kalytera th doyleia mas. Na dwsoyme ekeines tis kateyqynseis, etsi wste na exoyme apotelesmata kai fysika me ayta poy diaqetoyme, aytes tis energeies mporoyme na kanoyme. Apo ekei kai pera, einai epomeno na yparxoyn parapona. Se mia fysikh katastrofh, opws einai h pyrkagia, einai fysiko na dhmioyrgoyntai polles zhmies. Emeis xarassoyme mia taktikh kai mia strathgikh, etsi wste prolhptika na mhn yparxoyn pyrkagies, na periorizontai dhladh. Kai fysika meta apo mia pyrkagia akoloyqei h anadaswsh twn ektasewn poy katastrafhkan. Mia poly shmantikh energeia gia thn apokatastash toy fysikoy periballontos.

STRATAKHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o ekproswpos ths Neas Dhmokratias o k. Dendias, kathgorhse thn kybernhsh kai ton kratiko mhxanismo gia oligwria kai elleich syntonismoy. Ti exete na apanthsete;

PETALWTHS: Opoios exei dei ta apotelesmata twn xqesinwn kai proxqesinwn pyrkagiwn antilambanetai kai ti ekane h Politeia gia na mhn epektaqoyn aytes oi pyrkagies, alla kai to ti ginotan se analoges periptwseis otan h kybernhsh toy k. Dendia eixe th diakybernhsh ths xwras, mporei na bgalei ta symperasmata.

KAKALHS: Ta idia akribws poy elegan kai oi prokatoxoi sas, epanalambanete kai eseis shmera gia tis pyrkagies. Dhladh, elegan kai aytoi oti oi kairikes synqhkes eftaigan kai parola ayta xarh sthn hrwikh doyleia twn pyrosbestwn kataferame oti mporoysame. Ta idia akribws epanalambanete. Poia einai h diafora sthn prajh;

PETALWTHS: Egw de lew ayto. Eipa oti h politikh hgesia exei taktikh kai strathgikh. Ayth einai h diafora mas. Den gnwrizw ti briskete eseis diaforetiko.

KAKALHS: Egw lew oti ta idia akribws elegan kai oi prokatoxoi sas,

PETALWTHS: H kritikh bebaia einai dikaiwma sas. Emeis kanoyme th doyleia poy prepei na kanoyme. Eimaste ypologoi ston ellhniko lao. Dhlwnoyme ikanopoihmenoi. Qa mporoysame na dhlwnoyme pio ikanopoihmenoi. Qeloyme, omws, na ``patame'' sta podia mas, gia ayto akribws kanoyme kai ayth thn ektimhsh. Kai h ektimhsh einai oti me tis sygkekrimenes synqhkes, egine to kalytero, etsi wste na mhn yparxei peraiterw epektash twn pyrkagiwn.

KOYTRAS: Qa yparjei synedriash ths Epitrophs Apokratikopoihsewn, ayth thn ebdomada, anaforika me to qema ths Peiraiws kai an yparxei kati neotero gia thn apanthsh ths kybernhshs sthn protash toy k. Salla.

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei neotero. Hdh, dromologeitai h epilogh symboyloy, etsi wste na ginei apotimhsh ths sygkekrimenhs protashs. Kai fysika, qa yparxei kai synedriash ths Epitrophs Apokratikopoihsewn, prokeimenoy na perasei kai apo ayth thn Epitroph opoiadhpote energeia ginei apo kei kai pera.

POLYMEROS: Gia to qema ths Peiraiws. Eidame prosfatws ston Typo kai meta thn protash toy k. Salla, na exei prokalesei endokybernhtikes taraxes, toylaxiston ayto lene ta dhmosieymata, h sygkekrimenh protash. Yparxei tetoio qema sthn kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Egw den exw diapistwsei poyqena endokybernhtikes diataraxes. To an yparxoyn gnwmes h apoceis poy ekfrazoyn toys sygkekrimenoys foreis aytwn twn apocewn, ayto den shmainei oti yparxei endokybernhtikh taraxh. Ayto poy kanoyme emeis ws kybernhsh - kai einai poly-poly sygkekrimeno kai sygkrothmeno- einai oti: Panw ap` ola bazoyme to dhmosio symferon, panw ap` ola bazoyme th biwsimothta aytwn twn trapezikwn organismwn, poy ena megalo meros toy kalyptetai apo to dhmosio symferon. Qa yparxei plhrhs diafaneia, plhrhs ajiologhsh, plhrhs apodeijh sthn apofash poy qa parei to ellhniko Dhmosio, etsi wste na mhn yparxei kamia skia gi` ayth thn apofash. Emeis qeloyme na yparjei kinhtikothta sthn trapezikh agora. Edw kai arketo kairo miloyse h kybernhsh kai eneqarryne to na ginontai strathgikes kinhseis ston trapeziko xwro, giati oloi gnwrizoyme oti ayto shmainei anaptyjh. Apo kei kai pera, omws, h sygkekrimenh protash ths Peiraiws qa ejetastei sta qesmoqethmena kai nomoqethmena plaisia, me plhrh diafaneia kai me gnwmona to dhmosio symferon.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, milhsate gia kinhtikothta sthn trapezikh agora kai h kybernhsh oti enqarrynei strathgikoy typoy kinhseis, analoges me ayth poy ekane prosfatws h Peiraiws. Exete mhpws plhroforhsh gia endexomenes analoges kinhseis poy endexomenws na ekdhlwqoyn to amesws prosexes diasthma, tetoioy typoy ennow.

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kamia plhroforhsh. Tis opoies kinhseis, otan ekdhlwqoyn tis parakoloyqoyme kai tis ejetazoyme.

STRATAKHS: H kybernhsh ejetazei me to idio endiaferon thn protash poy katatiqetai h poy exei katateqei apo ton k. Pantalakh ths Agrotikhs, gia synenwsh Taxydromikoy Tamieythrioy, Agrotikhs, Attikhs kai Parakataqhkwn kai Daneiwn, gia th dhmioyrgia enos dhmosioy trapezikoy pylwna;

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw oti h kybernhsh, ayth th stigmh, ejetazei apokleistika, me gnwmona to dhmosio symferon, th sygkekrimenh protash ths Trapezas Peiraiws. Ayth ejetazoyme.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh ayth h protash ginetai se mia sygkekrimenh, dedomenh xronikh sygkyria, dyskolh oikonomikh katastash, ayto shmainei aytomatws oti to timhma aytwn twn trapezwn poy milame einai poly xamhlotero apo o,ti htan prin apo merikoys mhnes kai meta, endexomenws, apo merikoys mhnes. Ayto einai dhmosio symferon; Kai to lew ayto, giati miloyn kapoioi gia jepoylhma.

PETALWTHS: As perimenoyme na doyme ti qa apofasisei to ellhniko Dhmosio, me bash kai thn ajiologhsh kai thn apotimhsh toy symboyloy. Osoi biazontai na milhsoyn gia jepoylhma, as kanoyn ligh ypomonh. Epanalambanw, gia allh mia fora kai qa ginw monotonos, oti yparxei mia qesmoqethmenh diadikasia. Eidika ayth h kybernhsh kai eidika ayth th xronikh stigmh, den yparxei periptwsh na kanei kamia energeia poy den qa einai diafanhs kai den qa einai pros ofelos toy dhmosioy symferontos. Ayto einai to mono sigoyro.

MPELEGRHS: Dyo erwthseis. Otan lete ``enqarrynei h kybernhsh strathgikes kinhseis stis trapezes'', ennoeite profanws sygxwneyseis; Kai h deyterh, me poio tropo enqarrynei tetoies kinhseis h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh exei sygkekrimeno qesmiko rolo. Oson afora sth leitoyrgia twn trapezwn, gnwrizoyme oti einai anwnymes etaireies me sygkekrimeno qesmiko plaisio. Fysika den mporei na yparxei parembash ths kybernhshs ep` aytoy. Einai sygkekrimenoi organismoi kai diepontai apo ena sygkekrimeno nomiko plaisio. H enqarrynsh, omws, ths kybernhshs einai akribws ayth poy dinei kai kapoies kateyqynseis, giati mas endiaferei na yparjei kinhtikothta sthn trapezikh agora. Mia strathgikh kinhsh, ennoeitai oti mporei na einai kai sygxwneysh.

KOYTRAS: Epeidh sas rwthse o synadelfos gia thn protash toy k. Pantalakh kai lete oti ejetazete mono thn protash ths Trapezas Peiraiws, perimenete na ginei dhmosia h aporriptete thn protash toy k. Pantalakh;

PETALWTHS: Ayth th stigmh, yparxei protash ths Trapezas Peiraiws. Aythn ejetazoyme.

KAKALHS: Epeidh krithrio ths kybernhshs einai h apolyth diafaneia, qa enhmerwsete ton ellhniko lao, poy exoyn paei ta 28 disekatommyria apo to paketo sthrijhs twn trapezwn; Giati ayta doqhkan, ypotiqetai, gia thn enisxysh ths reystothtas. Omws, o k. Papakwnstantinoy dhlwnei, se xqesinh toy synenteyjh sto ``EQNOS'', oti prepei oi trapezes na janampoyn sto paixnidi xrhmatodothshs ths pragmatikhs oikonomias. Giati, loipon, den exoyn mpei; Poy phgan ta 28 dis; Epeidh kai krithrio sas einai h diafaneia, qa mas peite poy phgan;

PETALWTHS: Efoson yparxei apotimhsh, safws qa yparxei kai enhmerwsh toy ellhnikoy laoy. Emeis den exoyme na krycoyme tipota kai malista otan ayta ta 28 dis, ta opoia diateqhkan apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, apodeixqhke oti den perasan ws reystothta sthn agora. Mas endiaferei h staqeropoihsh toy trapezikoy systhmatos. Giati, to trapeziko systhma exei amesh sxesh me thn anaptyjh, exei amesh sxesh kai me thn kaqhmerinh oikonomia kai afora kai ton aplo Ellhna polith. Me bash ayta ta krithria proxwrame. Otan yparxei apotimhsh, qa yparxei kai enhmerwsh.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, eipate oti den perasan ta 28 dis poy eixe dwsei h Nea Dhmokratia ws reystothta sthn agora. Poy phgan; Exete apanthsh se ayto;

PETALWTHS: Ayto sas eipa: Otan yparxei apotimhsh, qa yparxei kai enhmerwsh. Einai gnwsto - kai gnwrizoyme oloi poly kala- oti to topio sto opoio kinhqhkan kai oi trapezes, opws kai olh h oikonomia, htan ena topio poy diakatexotan kai diakatexetai akomh, mexris enos baqmoy, apo reystothta. Synepws kai oi oikonomikes kinhseis kai ta oikonomika megeqh, einai synqeta kai den xwraei mia aplh apanthsh.

KAKALHS: Oson afora thn apotimhsh poy eipate, pws qa ginei ayth;

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa.

KAKALHS: Na oloklhrwsw. H kybernhsh, to epoptiko symboylio, exei epoptes se kaqe trapeza poy exei (den akoygetai)...

PETALWTHS: Yparxoyn qesmoi, oi opoioi epopteyoyn kai oi opoioi dinoyn tis apotimhseis toys. Yparxei sygkekrimenos xronos opoy ginetai o apologismos kai yparxei kai sygkekrimenh diadikasia enhmerwshs kai toy Ellhna polith. Ayto akoloyqeitai kai qa ginei.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh den jerei dhladh; Pote qa exei ta stoixeia;

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa oti yparxoyn qesmoqethmenes diadikasies kai akoloyqoyntai.

KOYTRAS: Yparxei kapoio sxolio gia to dhmosieyma ths Real News, thn apokalych oti o stratos exei promhqeytei 6,5 dis eyrw sapia, katestrammena armata;

PETALWTHS: Ayto den isxyei. Yparxei, omws, leptomerhs anakoinwsh ep` aytoy.

MPELEGRHS: Me aformh th dolofonia toy Swkrath Gkiolia, problhmatizei thn kybernhsh to gegonos oti ton teleytaio kairo emfanizontai fainomena koinwnikhs bias, gia prwth fora sthn Ellada, eite apo thn apoch ths meqodologias h apo thn pleyra twn stoxwn; Qymizw to gegonos sth Marfin, thn epiqesh sto ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs kai to shmerino, enantion dhmosiografoy, meta apo para polla xronia.

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti eidika to shmerino symban den exei kamia sxesh me ekrhjh koinwnikhs bias. Edw prokeitai gia ena sygkekrimeno xtyphma. Ejetazontai oles oi parametroi kai oi synqhkes gia ayto to xtyphma. Alla, fysika den yparxei koinwnikh bia. Giati, an poyme oti apotelei ekrhjh koinwnikhs bias, tote einai akribws san na nomimopoioyme ayto poy egine. Fysika, den yparxei kamia tetoia proqesh, kamia tetoia skech kai kamia tetoia analysh sthn kybernhsh. Einai ena anandro xtyphma. Einai ena xtyphma poy exei na kanei me ena dhmosiografo kai den exei kamia sxesh me koinwnikh bia.

KAKALHS: Alhqeyei h plhroforia oti oi elegktes toy DNT zhthsan apo toys ypoyrgoys na parameinoyn stis qeseis toys mexri na oloklhrwqei o elegxos poy qa kanoyn sta telh toy mhna, arxes Aygoystoy;

PETALWTHS: Na parameinoyn sth qesh toys, dhladh ws pros ti; Ws pros to na mh metakinhqoyn alloy; Na mhn ginei anasxhmatismos; Ti ennoeite;

KAKALHS: Oxi, na mhn pane diakopes.

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti kapoia tetoia plhroforia mono ws asteio qa mporoyse na yparxei.

KAKALHS: Metadoqhke me sobarothta apo antapokrith.

PETALWTHS: Kai fysika, oi ypoyrgoi den synhqizoyn na phgainoyn diakopes kai na afhnoyn th doyleia toys sth mesh.

KAKALHS: Pantws, apo esas den zhthsan na parameinete sth qesh sas.

PETALWTHS: Gia na me blepete edw!

STRATAKHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, lene dhmosieymata ston Typo tis prohgoymenes hmeres oti yparxei kindynos me ta daneia eggyodosias apo to TEMPME, logw toy oti h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh zhta pisw kapoia kondylia h den egkrinei. Ti akribws symbainei;

PETALWTHS: Anafereste se dhmosieyma peri TEMPME. Prwta ap` ola, tonizoyme pws h sygkekrimenh drash antimetwpisthke me poly megalh prosoxh apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias. Oydepote dhlwqhkan sxetikes dapanes sto ESPA. Ws ek toytoy, to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias dhlwnei oti den yfistatai kamia, ma kamia, paratypia ws pro th dhlwsh dapanwn kai den apomeiwnetai to pososto aporrofhshs, to opoio shmera exei jeperasei to 8,3%.

Sas eyxaristw.

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