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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 15 Ioylioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 278318783

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 15 Ioylioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Syzhteitai kai chfizetai sth Boylh, kat arqron, to neo asfalistiko nomosxedio poy afora stoys dhmosioys ypallhloys. Prokeitai gia ena meizon zhthma poy epi xronia h Politeia arneito na antimetwpisei oysiastika kai se baqos logw twn idiaiterothtwn kai mias esfalmenhs, empedwmenhs pelateiakhs logikhs.

Ayto eixe odhghsei to systhma se telma, eixe dhmioyrghsei entones streblwseis, me apotelesma kapoies isxyres qesmika omades na apolambanoyn eidika pronomia eis baros allwn sympolitwn mas.

Emeis bazoyme terma stoys asfalismenoys twn dyo taxythtwn kai parallhla diasfalizoyme kai eggyomaste ws kratos kai ws Politeia th biwsimothta toy systhmatos kai ths syntajhs se baqos xronoy.

Ayto qewroyme emeis dikaio asfalistiko systhma. Ena asfalistiko poy den steketai sto na ejyphrethsei proskaira, kontofqalma symferonta alla, antiqeta, xtizei ena systhma poy qa einai se qesh na prosferei stis epomenes genies kai na eggyhqei thn omalh synexeia toys.

To neo asfalistiko toy Dhmosioy erxetai na prosteqei stis alles megales allages, tomes sth dhmosia zwh poy prowqhse h kybernhsh, se elaxisto xrono kai malista ypo idiaitera antijoes synqhkes.

H idrysh ths Anejarthths Statistikhs Yphresias, to neo forologiko systhma, h dioikhtikh epanastash me ton ``Kallikrath'', to oloklhrwmeno pleon asfalistiko systhma idiwtikoy kai dhmosioy tomea, to neo dhmosionomiko plaisio, alla kai h metarryqmish sto xwro ths Ygeias, h apeleyqerwsh twn kleistwn epaggelmatwn, oi sygxwneyseis organismwn kai forewn toy dhmosioy tomea, poy qa oloklhrwqoyn poly syntoma.

Prowqoyme domikes allages poy qemeliwnoyn ena neo epiteliko kratos, poy sebetai ta xrhmata toy Ellhna polith, poy afhnei sto parelqon thn pelateiakh logikh kai tis parwxhmenes taktikes poy eyqynontai gia th shmerinh mas katastash.

Dystyxws, orismenoi, kai anaferomai sth Nea Dhmokratia kai ton k. Samara, deixnoyn pragmatika ametanohtoi. O k. Samaras, oxi mono den einai se qesh na paradexqei enwpion toy ellhnikoy laoy thn egklhmatikh aprajia, thn atakth fygh mprosta sta dyskola kai thn ejaeth synepestath prospaqeia apajiwshs kai lehlasias toy kratoys, alla antiqeta, o k. Samaras milhse kai gia ptwxeysh. Qa eprepe, pisteyw, toylaxiston na einai pio prosektikos.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prin apo ligh wra, o proedros ths Trapezas Peiraiws k. Sallas, ypebale dhmosia protash, gia thn ejagora toy Taxydromikoy Tamieythrioy kai ths Agrotikhs Trapezas, poy einai trapezes poy exei thn pleiochfia to Dhmosio kai eipe oti esteile sxetikh epistolh sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn. Poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: To ellhniko Dhmosio ontws elabe, apo xqes, ayth thn epistolh apo ton proedro ths Trapezas Peiraiws k. Salla. H protash, opws einai logiko, ejetazetai mesa se sygkekrimena plaisia. Yparxoyn qesmoqethmenes diadikasies, me monadiko krithrio kai gnwmona to dhmosio symferon kai th biwsimothta aytwn twn trapezwn, poy megalo meros symmetoxhs exei kai to ellhniko Dhmosio.

SIDERHS: Ep' aytoy, egw qymamai ton k.Xrysoxoidh, ws armodio tomearxh, otan hsaste sthn antipoliteysh, na leei oti qa kratikopoihsete tis trapezes kai oxi oti qa tis idiwtikopoihsete. Briskete kamia antifash;

PETALWTHS: Egw anaferomai sth shmerinh protash poy egine apo thn Trapeza Peiraiws kai sas anefera kai ta krithria ta opoia diepoyn thn antimetwpish aytoy toy qematos.

PETOYRH: Na symperanw, apo ta krithria ta opoia qetete oti h protash ejetazetai qetika;

PETALWTHS: Ta krithria einai ayta kai as meinoyme se ayta poy lew.

STRATAKHS: H protash toy k. Salla entassetai mesa sto plaisio twn sygxwneysewn poy eixe, as to poyme, prokrinei to oikonomiko epiteleio; Einai mesa se ayto to plaisio h einai kati diaforetiko to opoio briskei mprosta ths, aifnhs h kybernhsh kai to syzhtaei; Giati, to prohgoymeno diasthma o k. Papakwnstantinoy eneqarryne, me dhmosies dhlwseis toy, th sygxwneysh trapezwn.

PETALWTHS: O k. Papakwnstantinoy eixe pei oti apaitoyntai na ginoyn kinhseis stis ellhnikes trapezes. Apo ekei kai pera, kaqe protash exei thn idiaiterothta ths kai ejetazetai fysika, oson afora sto Dhmosio, me ta krithria poy sas anefera.

KAKALHS: To dhmosio symferon ejyphreteitai me thn protash toy k. Salla, me dedomeno oti o k. Sallas prosferei 700 ekatommyria gia tis dyo trapezes, ta pososta toy kratoys, enw exei parei hdh apo to paketo sthrijhs 750 ekatommyria h Trapeza Peiraiws. Dhladh, epistrefei ta 750, me ena tropo, gia na parei dyo trapezes;

PETALWTHS: Sas anefera oti to krithrio einai to dhmosio symferon kai h biwsimothta twn trapezwn, stis opoies yparxei symferon toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy. H protash qa ejetastei me ayta ta krithria kai qa yparjei anakoinwsh.

KAKALHS: Toys agrotes poy exoyn xreh sthn Agrotikh, ti qa toys kanete;

PETALWTHS: As ejetastei prwta ayth h protash kai ean einai qetikh, tote qa ejetastoyn kai oi leptomereies poy aforoyn epimeroys qemata. As mh protrexoyme. Sas eipa, as meinoyme ekei.

KAKALHS: Einai gnwsth omws h protash apo xqes. Den qa parete qesh;

PETALWTHS: Pisteyw oti einai arketa synqeto to olo qema gia na mporoyme na apofasisoyme mesa se mia hmera.

KOYTRAS: Pote qa yparjei apanthsh xronika; Na thn perimenoyme entos ths hmeras kai qa bgei apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn;

PETALWTHS: Otan yparjei apofash, qa anakoinwqei.

STRATAKHS: An yparjoyn kai alles protaseis h arxisei mia diadikasia protasewn, qa mpei h kybernhsh se ayth th diadikasia na ejetazei pleiodotikes protaseis;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei mia sygkekrimenh protash. Ayth qa ejetastei, me ta krithria poy sas anefera.

SPANOY: Epeidh anaferqhkate stis qesmoqethmenes diadikasies, mporei na idiwtikopoihqei mia trapeza toy Dhmosioy, xwris diagwnismo;

PETALWTHS: Opws antilambaneste, ola ta zhthmata ta opoia, pera apo oikonomikoy periexomenoy einai kai synqetoy nomikoy periexomenoy, qa ejetastoyn apo to ellhniko Dhmosio.

KAKALHS: Giati h kybernhsh den kratikopoiei tis idiwtikes trapezes, me dedomeno oti einai o megalyteros metoxos toys, me bash to paketo sthrijhs kai ta ypoloipa, poy exei dwsei tis eggyhseis kai ayta poy qa paroyn apo to xrhmatodotiko paketo, qa paroyn 43 ekat. Einai o megalyteros metoxos. Giati den tis kratikopoiei, gia na tis xrhsimopoihsei, opws eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos, gia na enisxysei th reystothta;

PETALWTHS: Sas anefera oti yparxoyn qesmoqethmenes diadikasies. Yparxei mia sygkekrimenh politikh kai ta krithria einai ayta poy sas anefera.

PITTARAS: Epeidh eipate sthn arxh kai me aformh to Asfalistiko toy Dhmosioy eipate oti bazete telos stoys asfalismenoys dyo taxythtwn kai profanws kai me ola ta metra poy pairnete, qelete na proxwrhsei se aytes tis domikes allages. Gia thn anergia, qa kanete kati, h opoia kalpazei; Hdh, shmera, anakoinwqhke oti se sxesh me perysi, h ayjhsh einai gyrw stis 2,5 monades, dhladh exoyme sxedon 600.000 anergoys. Ti qa kanete gi` ayto;

PETALWTHS: H anergia einai ena anamenomeno problhma se periodoys oikonomikhs krishs. Emeis prospaqoyme me oles tis energeies mas na antimetwpisoyme to zhthma ths ypanaptyjhs. Prospaqoyme na antimetwpisoyme to zhthma ths eyreshs ergasias, idiaitera apo eidikes omades opws einai oi neoi katw apo 25, alla kai na prostateysoyme thn ergasia. Na sas qymisw thn prwtoboylia mas gia th dhmioyrgia kinhtrwn gia proslhch twn newn katw apo 25 kai gia mh apolysh anqrwpwn poy einai panw apo 50 kai 55 etwn. Einai aytonohto oti h anergia qa yparxei, oso den yparxei anaptyjh. Kai emeis prowqoyme energeies gia thn anatajh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, etsi wste na antimetwpistei apotelesmatika to meizon zhthma ths ayjanomenhs anergias.

SEGKOS: Me sygxwreite, alla katargwntas tis syllogikes symbaseis kai kanontas fthnoteroys toys ergazomenoys, den anabete to prasino fws gia mazikes apolyseis;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, katarghsame tis syllogikes symbaseis kai den to katalaba;

SEGKOS: Stoys neoys katw twn 25 etwn, oi misqoi qa einai katw apo tis syllogikes symbaseis.

PETALWTHS: Emeis, antiqetws, dinoyme kinhtra stoys ergodotes gia na proslambanoyn neoys katw apo 25 etwn, analambanontas o OAED na plhrwnei ena pososto twn barwn pros ton ergodoth. Einai ena kinhtro sto opoio pisteyoyme kai pisteyoyme oti qa apodwsei.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, para tis peri toy antiqetoy ypodeijeis kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai tis sxetikes entoles, blepoyme para polla eswkommatika metwpa, endokybernhtika metwpa, ayth thn periodo. Poso konta briskomaste se enan endexomeno anasxhmatismo; Apaitoyntai diarqrwtikes kinhseis sto kybernhtiko sxhma;

PETALWTHS: Ta endokybernhtika metwpa einai ena zhthma poy mporei na to dei kaneis apo diafora prismata kai na diogkwqei kata to dokoyn. Emeis, epanalambanw gia allh mia fora, kanoyme ena poly megalo ergo. H kybernhsh to epitelei me ton kalytero tropo kai fysika den yparxei qema anasxhmatismoy.

KOYTRAS: Ena allo nomosxedio poy erxetai sth Boylh kai afora th ryqmish twn xrewn sta nosokomeia, exei sygkentrwsei pyra apo boyleytes toy PASOK. Sas anhsyxei mhpws den to chfisoyn oi boyleytes sas;

PETALWTHS: Gia allh mia fora, qa anaferqw sto qesmiko rolo twn boyleytwn. Oi boyleytes eklegontai, exoyn thn aytoteleia toys. Ekproswpoyn ton Ellhna polith, ekfrazoyn tis agwnies kai fysika o rolos toys den einai diakosmhtikos. Ara, einai kalodexoymenh opoiadhpote agwnia ekfrazoyn, opoiadhpote protash kai qesh. Kai fysika, ola ayta ginontai sto plaisio beltiwshs twn nomoqethmatwn poy fernei h kybernhsh sth Boylh.

POLYMEROS: Panw se ayto. Gia tis agwnies, poy eipate, twn boyleytwn, yparxoyn omws kai oi agwnies twn politwn. Kai xqes, yphrje ena epeisodio, sto opoio ekfrasthke h agwnia mias omadas politwn se mia laikh taberna twn Aqhnwn sto proswpo toy k. Koytroymanh. Malista, symfwna me ayta poy maqainw, htan ojytath h epiqesh poy dexqhke o k. Koytroymanhs, lektikh panta.

PETALWTHS: Einai eyqynh olwn mas na mhn apajiwnoyme oyte thn politikh, oyte toys politikoys kai oyte fysika toys qesmoys mesa apo toys opoioys ekfrazetai o Ellhnas poliths. Ean arxisoyme kai dhmioyrgoyme tetoio qema, tote oloi antilambanomaste oti apajiwnoyme toys idioys toys polites. Kai malista, oson afora ston k. Koytroymanh, o opoios pragmatika kai me thn proswpikh toy stash kai thn politikh toy symperifora exei dwsei ta kalytera deigmata. Tetoioy eidoys energeies, ean exoyn ginei, adikoyn kai ton idio kai aytoys oi opoioi tis pyrodotoyn. Oi lyseis briskontai alloy. Oi lyseis briskontai sto na symbaloyme oloi apo thn pleyra mas, etsi wste na stamathsei pleon ayth h leitoyrgia aytoy toy kratoys, opws ginetai xronia twra. Na dhmioyrghqoyn alles domes, wste na yparxei kai beltiwsh se ola ta epipeda.

KAKALHS: Me thn eykairia, epalhqeyete oti analogo peristatiko eixe symbei me ton Prwqypoyrgo sthn Paro, kata thn episkech toy prin apo dyo Sabbatokyriaka se taberna toy nhsioy;

PETALWTHS: Safws kai den yphrje tetoio peristatiko. Kati to opoio grafthke se mia efhmerida, anaparaxqhke me to xeirotero tropo kai malista me tropo poy den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei mia diamartyria apo thn pleyra ths Enwshs twn Nomarxiakwn Aytodioikhsewn oti den exoyn proswpiko kai den mporoyn na feroyn se peras thn ypoqesh me toys hmiypaiqrioys. Ti lete ep` aytoy;

PETALWTHS: Exw ypoch moy ayth th diamartyria. Qewroyme oti einai astoxh ayth h diamartyria, protoy kan dhmioyrghqei qema, ypotiqetai me th mazikh proseleysh twn politwn, oi opoioi phgainoyn na dhlwsoyn toys hmiypaiqrioys. H dhmosionomikh politikh toy kratoys einai eniaia. Oi nomarxies ofeiloyn me tis yphresies toys na frontizoyn wste na ejyphreteitai o Ellhnas poliths kai na ejyphreteitai kai to dhmosio symferon mesa apo th diadikasia taktopoihshs twn hmiypaiqriwn. Den mporoyme na dianohqoyme na yparxei arnhsh apo sygkekrimenes yphresies na kanoyn swsta th doyleia toys. H dhmosionomikh politikh einai eniaia kai afora fysika kai stis nomarxies.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ti eidoys metaboles qa prepei na anamenoyn oi ergazomenoi stis astikes sygkoinwnies, me aformh kai to sxedio ejygianshs poy prowqei h kybernhsh.

PETALWTHS: Den qa mporoysa na milhsw egw twra gia allages. Ayto poy exw na pw einai oti pragmatika h poly asxhmh katastash poy brhkame stis astikes sygkoinwnies, alla kai genikotera ston tomea twn sygkoinwniwn, antimetwpizontai apo ayth thn kybernhsh. Briskontai, hdh, se diadikasia epejergasias, diafores protaseis. Hdh, gia to qema ayto ginetai sobarh doyleia mesa apo kybernhtikes syskeceis. Qa akoloyqhsei h ryqmish kai h diaboyleysh, etsi wste na stamathsoyn pleon na yparxoyn ta terastia elleimmata kai se epipedo dhmosionomiko, dhladh na yparjei taktopoihsh, alla kai na beltiwqoyn kata to dynaton oi yphresies poy prosferontai mesa apo aytes tis sygkoinwnies ston Ellhna polith.

SEGKOS: H anaptyjh twn Meswn Mazikhs Metaforas qa ginei mesw ths metatrophs toys se eidos polyteleias; Giati ola ta dhmosieymata anaferoyn oti qa erqei poly megalh ayjhsh twn eisithriwn, gegonos poy qa einai apotreptiko gia toys polites.

PETALWTHS: Den sxoliazw dhmosieymata. Mas endiaferei to na beltiwsoyme tis sygkoinwnies kai na beltiwqoyn kai ta oikonomika kai oi yphresies twn sygkoinwniwn. Prowqoyme qesmikes allages. Aytes oi allages poy prowqoyme qa anakoinwqoyn kai qa mporoyn na symmetexoyn kai oi Ellhnes polites sth diadikasia ths diaboyleyshs.

PITTARAS: Wstoso, to problhma einai orato kai to zeite kaqhmerina kai qa to zhsete kai se 10 hmeres, opoy qa klhqeite kai pali na balete sta Tameia, gia na plhrwqoyn oi ergazomenoi eidika sta lewforeia ths Aqhnas. Ta kondylia yparxoyn; Yparxei sobaro problhma epibiwshs. Kai ayto poy rwtage o synadelfos peri idiwtikopoihshs h to na parei mia idiwtikh etaireia ta eisithria, eseis to epibebaiwnete;

PETALWTHS: Den epibebaiwnw kai den diaceydw tipote. Eimaste sth diadikasia ths epejergasias protasewn gia tis qesmikes allages. Sas eipa oti aytes oi allages egkeintai kai sto na yparjei kalyterh oikonomikh diaxeirish. Gnwrizoyme ta terastia elleimmata, ta aparadekta elleimmata poy exoyme klhronomhsei apo thn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias kai fysika mas endiaferei oi parexomenes yphresies na einai oi kalyteres dynates.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na janagyrisoyme stis trapezes. Einai pagkoinh h diapistwsh kai oxi mono ayth ths k. Katselh, olh h agora to leei oti yparxei megalh stegnothta xrhmatos kai ayto einai anatrofodotoymeno. Giati h kybernhsh den enopoiei tis ypo kratiko elegxo trapezes, wste na parasxei xrhma sthn agora kai na yparjei anakyklwsh kai anaptyjh, afoy oi idiwtikes me megalh feidw to prosferoyn, gia na mhn pw oti den to prosferoyn kaqoloy. To basiko problhma ths agoras einai h elleich reystothtas kai h mh symbolh twn trapezwn se ayto.

PETALWTHS: Eseis qelete na apanthsw, mesa apo ena allo tropo, gia to ti qa ginei me thn protash ths Trapezas Peiraiws.

SIDERHS: Oxi, na apologhqeite, giati to proeklogiko sas programma miloyse gia enopoihseis, alla kratikwn trapezwn na parasxoyn reystothta.

PETALWTHS: Den exw na apologhqw gia tipota. Ejhgw thn kybernhtikh politikh. Kai pragmatika, h kybernhtikh politikh, mesa apo aytes tis idiaiteres kai antijoes synqhkes poy zoyme, einai pragmatika mia politikh poy einai yper toy Ellhna polith.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes, kata th synedriash ths Epitrophs Dhmosias Dioikhshs sth Boylh, opoy o k. Ragkoyshs paroysiase to nomosxedio gia tis eklogikes dapanes, yphrje akomh ena epeisodio sto shrial metajy ths kybernhshs kai toy KKE. O k. Skylakos proejoflhse oti den prokeitai to KKE, ypo thn paroysa morfh toy bebaia, na efarmosei to kyoforoymeno nomoqethma ths kybernhshs. Pws qa antidrasei h kybernhsh, arage, se mia tetoia prooptikh;

PETALWTHS: Den einai qema antidrashs ths kybernhshs. Einai qema antidrashs ths Politeias. Kai fysika, otan miloyme gia politika kommata, apologoymaste oloi ston ellhniko lao. Kai ena shmantiko zhthma einai h diafaneia twn oikonomikwn kai malista otan h fysiognwmia, h egkyrothta kai h diafaneia twn kommatwn exei plhgei, tote nomizw oti oloi mazi qa prepei na caxnoyme tropoys, etsi wste na eisagoyme qesmoys poy qa eggywntai ayth th diafaneia. Kai ayto kanei h kybernhsh.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy. Alla, qewreite oti h diafaneia ayth gia thn opoia kopteste, ejyphreteitai me to na stelnete ton kosmo na ``fakelwnete'' stis trapezes, kataqetontas yper twn kommatwn;

PETALWTHS: Den einai fakelwma, alla to na yparxei mia nomimh, ypotiqetai, diadikasia syndromwn opoy den gnwrizoyme oyte poios tis dinei, oyte gia poioys logoys, ayto safws kai den einai diafaneia.

KAKALHS: Ayto, eseis poy eiste epixeirhmatias kai poy synallasseste mporei na to jerete kalytera, poy ta pairnete alliws. Alla, egw hqela na rwthsw to ejhs, ti qa kanete me to KKE, qa balete fylakh toys agwnistes toy KKE poy qa arnhqoyn na peiqarxhsoyn;

PETALWTHS: H Politeia exei ola ta ergaleia gia na epibalei toys nomoys.

KAKALHS: Dhladh, fylakiseis.

PETALWTHS: Twra, eseis ean qelete na proejoflhsete tis fylakiseis gia na ginei pio agwnistiko to KKE, einai allo qema.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, ayto eipate eseis.

PETALWTHS: Den eipa ayto. Gnwrizw poly kala ti lew, kaqws epishs kai h kybernhsh gnwrizei poly kala ti leei.

KAKALHS: Den to apokleisate, omws.

PETALWTHS: Epeidh, omws, milame politika, epanalambanw oti oloi eimaste ypologoi apenanti ston ellhniko lao kai an symferei se kapoioys na yparxei ayth h adiafaneia, as bgoyn na to poyn. H kybernhsh leei oti ayth h adiafaneia qa prepei na stamathsei. Qa prepei na yparxoyn neoi qesmoi diafaneias kai h kybernhtikh politikh prowqei aytoys toys qesmoys. Kaqenas einai ypologos gia tis prajeis toy.

KAKALHS: Meta thn patagwdh ayth katarreysh toy sykofantikoy isxyrismoy oti to KKE einai metoxos sth ``GERMANOS'', xqes, sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph gia th Siemens, h kybernhsh aisqanetai thn anagkh na apodokimasei ton antiproedro ths kybernhshs, o opoios eixe prwtagwnisthsei se ayth thn aqlia sykofantikh ekstrateia;

PETALWTHS: Pisteyoyme oti den yphrxe aqlia sykofantikh ekstrateia, opws lete.

KAKALHS: Ton kalyptete.

PETALWTHS: Eseis bgazete symperasmata, protoy kan milhsw. Einai dikaiwma sas kai dikaiwma toy kaqenos.

KAKALHS: Afoy lete oti den yphrxe. Den eipe o k. Berelhs, xqes, oti to KKE den eixe kamia sxesh kai to kateqese kai ston anakrith oti den exei kamia symmetoxh;

PETALWTHS: H kataqesh enos martyra se mia Ejetastikh Epitroph exei mia sygkekrimenh ajia. Den mporoyme na bgazoyme symperasmata kai malista toso genikologa kai toso epiqetika kai aixmhra, etsi opws ta anaferete.

KAKALHS: Ara, den apodokimazete ton k. Pagkalo.

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa.

POLYMEROS: Na kleisoyme ena qema poy exei meinei anoixto. Mia aporia dikia moy sxetika me thn Trapeza Peiraiws. Me aformh, loipon...

PETALWTHS: Den ekleise ayto to qema;

POLYMEROS: Den ekleise. Qelw na rwthsw kati sxetiko me ayto. Endiaferon allwn idiwtwn gia alles DEKO, yparxei ayth th stigmh; Jerete kati sthn kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Otan yparxei endiaferon, anakoinwnetai kiolas.

KOYTRAS: Yparxei kapoio sxolio gia thn proqesh ths k. Mpakogiannh, h opoia anakoinwse shmera oti qa proxwrhsei sth dhmioyrgia kommatos;

PETALWTHS: Kommata mporoyn na dhmioyrgoyntai apo opoiondhpote kai opotedhpote mesa sta plaisia toy nomoy.

KAKALHS: Mhpws enhmerwqhkate apo ton k. Pagkalo an qa thrhsei thn yposxesh toy oti sthn periptwsh poy den apodeixqei pws yparxei h symmetoxh toy KKE ston ``Germano'', qa zhthsei syggnwmh kai qa fygei apo thn politikh;

PETALWTHS: Eseis ti exete twra; Sygkekrimeno problhma me ton k. Pagkalo;

KAKALHS: Lew an enhmerwqhkate, giati eiste kybernhtikos ekproswpos. Einai antiproedros ths kybernhshs. An enhmerwqhkate, mhpws qa ekplhrwsei ayth thn yposxesh.

PETALWTHS: Dhladh an qa fygei apo thn politikh;

KAKALHS: Nai, qa zhthsei syggnwmh kai qa fygei kai apo thn politikh.

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei tetoia plhroforhsh.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mporeite ek ths qesews sas na diabebaiwsete toys dhmosioys ypallhloys poy kaloyntai na apografoyn gia na yparxei eniaia arxh plhrwmwn, oti ayth h diadikasia den qa einai diko sas diapragmateytiko xarti gia to neo eniaio misqologio poy exete zhthsei apo thn ADEDY; Giati yparxoyn tetoioi foboi kai gia ayto to logo polloi einai aproqymoi kai antidroyn.

PETALWTHS: Aproqymoi den nomizw na einai, giati akribws apo thn poly megalh symmetoxh sthn apografh twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn eixe fortwsei kai eixe katarreysei to kyklwma gia poly wra. Apo ekei kai pera emeis exoyme mia ypoxrewsh: na dhmioyrghsoyme mia eniaia arxh plhrwmhs twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn. Kai epiteloys na gnwrizoyme posoi plhrwnontai apo ayto to ellhniko kratos kai to ellhniko Dhmosio. H apografh exei ws monadiko skopo th systash ths eniaias arxhs, wste na maqoyme poioi kai posoi einai oi dhmosioi ypallhloi ths xwras mas. Ennoeitai oti den yparxei kanenas tetoios kindynos kai kanenas fobos opws aytos poy eipate. O logos poy ginetai ayth h apografh einai sygkekrimenos. Kati poy eprepe na ginei edw kai polles dekaeties, alla emeis to kanoyme twra.

STRATAKHS: Qa hqela ena prwto sxolio ths kybernhshs gia th Syllogikh Symbash Ergasias poy mporei na exoyn ypogracei ayth thn wra h GSEE kai o SEB, ypo to prisma kai twn dhlwsewn Panagopoyloy poy eginan shmera, poy leei oti me th symbash ayth poy ypografoyn ergazomenoi kai ergodosia, spane oysiastika to Mnhmonio, dioti proxwroyn se ayjhseis poy den epetrepe to Mnhmonio. Kai sto oti safws exoyme katwtero misqo diaforetiko apo ayton poy h kybernhsh chfise sth Boylh. Kai bebaiws, se antiqesh me to Dhmosio, ston idiwtiko tomea paramenoyn o 13os kai o 14os misqos.

PETALWTHS: Einai gnwsto oti oi koinwnikoi etairoi exoyn jekinhsei mia diadikasia, edw kai kapoio xroniko diasthma, gia th syntajh kai ypografh Eqnikhs Syllogikhs Symbashs Ergasias. Ayto poy mas endiaferei, kai aytos einai allwste o rolos ths Politeias, einai na yparxei koinwnikh eirhnh, etsi wste na mporei na yparxei anaptyjh ston topo mas.

STRATAKHS: Qa thrhsei h kybernhsh ston baqmo poy mporei, h poy mporei na parembei, th Syllogikh Symbash Ergasias poy ypegracan shmera ergazomenoi kai ergodosia;

PETALWTHS: H Syllogikh Symbash Ergasias exei dyo merh: toys ergodotes kai toys ergazomenoys. Ennoeitai oti h kybernhsh den parembainei. Ayto poy endiaferei thn kybernhsh einai na yparxei koinwnikh eirhnh.

SEGKOS: Gia ayto to qema. H kybernhsh ejoysiodothse ton proedro ths GSEE me thn idiothta toy stelexoys toy PASOK, na th bgalei apo th dyskolh qesh kai na ypogracei mia Syllogikh Symbash me ayjhseis poy epi ths oysias qa ``pagwnoyn'' toys misqoys, gia na mhn to kanoyn prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy;

PETALWTHS: O proedros ths GSEE einai proedros ths GSEE kai h kybernhsh einai kybernhsh. Yparxoyn jexwristoi roloi kai ayto apodeiknyetai kaqe mera.

POLYMEROS: Ena dhmosieyma anaferei gia mia ypogeia endokybernhtikh kontra metajy toy k. Reppa kai ths k. Mpirmpilh. Yparxei ena qema gia to xrono dhmoprathshs toy ergoy kai gia thn epektash ths Attikhs Odoy. Gnwrizete an yparxei tetoio qema;

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw to qema. Alla, epeidh ta qemata me ta opoia asxoleitai ayth h kybernhsh einai para polla, to na yparxei synergasia h mia diaforetikh apoch metajy kapoiwn ypoyrgwn - ean yparxei, giati den gnwrizw se poio qema anafereste- safws kai den einai ypogeia endokybernhtikh erida.

Sas eyxaristw.

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