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Aqhna, 13 Maioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Kerdisame ws xwra mia xronikh anasa me to mhxanismo sthrijhs ston opoio exoyme entaxqei. Mia anasa apo thn asfyktikh piesh twn agorwn.

To stoixhma mas twra einai diplo: Se prwto epipedo, h prostasia toy polith, toy katanalwth kai h sygkrathsh timwn se basika proionta kai se deytero epipedo, h enisxysh ths epixeirhmatikothtas kai h diamorfwsh enos akmaioy anaptyjiakoy periballontos, me stoxo thn anaptyjh kai thn anatajh ths oikonomias.

H anaptyjh ths xwras einai ena megalo stoixhma gia thn kybernhsh. Oloi gnwrizoyme oti to montelo anaptyjhs twn teleytaiwn dekaetiwn basizetai se streblwseis kai paqogeneies kai ek toy apotelesmatos exei fanei eyqraysto. Ena montelo anaptyjhs poy pleon den mas ekfrazei.

H xwra mas shmera kaleitai na strafei se mia biwsimh oikonomia, se ena neo protypo anaptyjhs poy qa exei ws epikentro, ton anqrwpo. Poy qa sthrizei thn paragwgh newn kai kainotomwn proiontwn. Poy antapokrinetai stis idiaiterothtes kai ta pleonekthmata ths Elladas kai toy Ellhna kai qa dhmioyrgei nees qeseis ergasias, fernontas neo ployto sth xwra.

H anaptyjh, omws, opws einai gnwsto, den erxetai en mia nykti, oyte bebaia yparxei lysh poy ws dia mageias qa lysei to problhma. Xreiazetai strathgiko sxediasmo kai diarqrwtikes allages sth dhmosia dioikhsh kai sto kratos genikotera, poy qa dhmioyrghsoyn ena gonimo periballon gia tis ependyseis kai thn ygih epixeirhmatikothta.

Se ayto to plaisio, loipon, h kybernhsh prowqei amesa oloklhrwmeno strathgiko plaisio anaptyjhs se polloys ajones.

Endeiktika na sas anaferw: Neo plaisio gia to ESPA poy hdh apodidei kai h aporrofhtikothta toy exei anodo 100%, apo 3% exoyme fqasei hdh sto 6,3%. Neos anaptyjiakos nomos, me poiotika krithria enisxyshs ths antagwnistikothtas, ths ejwstrefeias, ths ereynas, ths kainotomias kai ths ``prasinhs'' epixeirhmatikothtas, kaqws kai me krithria egkatastashs se fqinoyses h apomakrysmenes perioxes ths xwras mas kai diathrhshs kai ayjhshs twn qesewn ergasias poy erxetai syntoma sth Boylh kai qa chfistei se syntomo xroniko diasthma. Qa xrhmatodotei ependyseis apo to 2011 kai meta, me posa poy qa aggizoyn ta 4 ews 5 disekatommyria eyrw mexri to 2013.

Parallhla, shmera, proxwraei h ektamieysh twn porwn, ycoys 1,2 disekatommyriwn eyrw, gia to 2010, poy afora xrhmatodothsh ependytikwn sxediwn poy eixan entaxqei ston prohgoymeno anaptyjiako nomo, poy emeis shmera ``trexoyme''. Nomosxedio gia th qespish yphresias ``mias stashs'', to gnwsto ``one stop shop'', sthn idrysh olwn twn morfwn twn etaireiwn, omorryqmes etaireies, eterorryqmes, EPE kai anwnymes etaireies. Anaqewrhsh toy antimonopwliakoy nomoy kai toy qesmikoy plaisioy leitoyrgias ths Epitrophs Antagwnismoy. Systash antimonopwliakhs yphresias sth Genikh Grammateia Emporioy, apeleyqerwsh twn yphresiwn me anoigma twn kleistwn epaggelmatwn, parathrhthrio timwn poy perilambanei hdh 1000 proionta se ekatontades shmeia pwlhshs, qesmiko plaisio gia thn timologhsh farmakeytikwn proiontwn kai agoranomikh diatajh gia meiwsh twn timwn farmakwn kata 21%.

Badizoyme akomh kai se symfwnies ston tomea paragwghs energeias, ston tomea toy qalassioy toyrismoy, me thn arsh toy kampotaz, ston tomea twn symprajewn toy dhmosioy me ton idiwtiko tomea, alla kai twn megalwn symfwniwn me jenoys ependytes.

Hdh, xqes, h ypoyrgos Oikonomias, Antagwnistikothtas kai Naytilias, k. Katselh, sto atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, proteine th dhmioyrgia toy fast truck, dhladh, grhgorhs diekperaiwshs twn epixeirhmatikwn sxediwn kai twn ependysewn, me anadiamorfwsh toy nomikoy plaisioy, gia thn proselkysh kai yposthrijh megalwn ependytikwn sxediwn kai thn atyph diypoyrgikh epitroph gia to syntonismo olwn twn ypoyrgeiwn, poy mporei na mplokaroyn mia megalh ependysh, prokeimenoy na mh xanetai polytimos xronos.

Akomh, na anaferw oti h kybernhsh exei balei stoxo na patajei apotelesmatika kai oxi me eyxologia, to oikonomiko egklhma. Ena egklhma poy exei amesh sxesh me to biotiko epipedo toy Ellhna polith kai me thn kaqhmerinothta toy. Gi` ayto to skopo, to ypoyrgeio Prostasias toy Polith, se synergasia me to ypoyrgeio Ygeias kai me to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, anaptyssoyn koines epixeirhsiakes draseis, se mia seira apo tomeis, apo th forodiafygh mexri th nosokomeiakh diafqora, poy gnwrizoyme poso epibarynei ton Ellhna polith kai ton proypologismo -ekei ginetai mia ejairetikh doyleia apo thn ypoyrgo Ygeias k. Jenogiannakopoyloy- mexri kai to paraemporio sto kentro twn astikwn kentrwn.

Taytoxrona, enisxyontai oles oi emplekomenes yphresies, to SDOE, h Yphresia Eswterikwn Elegxwn Ypoqesewn ths Astynomias, poy dieyrynei thn armodiothta ths se olo to fasma ths diafqoras sto dhmosio tomea, enw dhmioyrgeitai Yphresia Diwjhs toy organwmenoy egklhmatos, me eidiko tmhma Diwjhs toy oikonomikoy egklhmatos poy qa synergazetai me to SDOE.

Pros to skopo ayto, molis oloklhrwqhke diagwnismos proslhchs 100 newn astynomikwn, eidikwn kaqhkontwn, poy qa ekpaideytoyn katallhla, prokeimenoy na einai apotelesmatikh h patajh toy oikonomikoy egklhmatos stoys tomeis poy anefera prohgoymenws.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na sas rwthsw, poioi htan oi logoi poy odhghsan xqes ton Prwqypoyrgo na apofasisei, sto atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, th sygkrothsh dyo sthn oysia epitropwn. Mia ypo ton idio, thn k. Katselh, thn k. Mpirmpilh kai ton k. Papakwnstantinoy gia ta megala erga, gia ta megala ependytika sxedia, enw yparxei armodios ypoyrgos poy exei ayth thn armodiothta kai deyteron, epishs, na akoloyqhsei to montelo twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn sto na jemplokaristoyn nomoqetika pragmata kai na anateqei h diatypwsh ths nomoqetikhs ryqmishs ston k. Benizelo.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na anaferw, opws eipa kai sthn eisagwgh moy, oti einai kairio stoixhma ths kybernhshs, na kerdisoyme ston tomea ths anaptyjhs. Mia anaptyjh h opoia, idiaitera ta teleytaia xronia, fqinei, exei meinei para poly pisw kai oxi mono se nomoqetiko epipedo, alla kai se epipedo proselkyshs ependytwn. Emeis qeloyme na dhmioyrghsoyme ena epixeirhmatiko kai anaptyjiako periballon, to opoio qa einai elkystiko pros toys ependytes, me oles tis synepeies oi opoies exoyn na kanoyn me thn anaptyjh, me thn oikonomia, me tis nees qeseis ergasias. Apo ekei kai pera, na dieykrinisw oti to legomeno ``fast truck'', dhladh, h grhgorh diekperaiwsh twn epixeirhsewn, hdh problepetai apo nomosxedio poy exei chfisei h prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Ena nomoqetiko plaisio, omws, to opoio beltiwnetai me to neo anaptyjiako nomo, poy eishghqhke xqes sto atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, h k. Katselh. Sto neo anaptyjiako nomosxedio loipon, problepetai epishs ayth h diypoyrgikh epitroph, poy qa exei ws ameso antikeimeno thn epitaxynsh twn megalwn ependysewn.

Moy dinete loipon, thn eykairia na dieykrinisw oti den yparxei kanena ``adeiasma'' kanenos ypoyrgoy. H kybernhsh leitoyrgei syllogika kai malista htan protash ths ypoyrgoy Oikonomias na beltiwqei ayth h diypoyrgikh epitroph kai ayto poy mas endiaferei - kai ayth einai kai entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy- einai na antallasoyme apoceis, giati emeis xreiazomaste kai dinoyme ``ojygono'' sth diaboyleysh kai sth syzhthsh anamesa stoys ypoyrgoys. Kai gi` ayto, akribws, exei ginei kai to atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Alliws, qa phgainame sta ypoyrgika symboylia typika, aplws, gia na egkrinoyme kai na chfizoyme nomoys poy fernei o kaqe ypoyrgos monos toy. Brisketai se ejelijh mia ejairetikh kai sklhrh doyleia kai se epipedo epixeirhmatikothtas kai se epipedo oikonomias, oikonomikwn, ygeias, etsi wste pragmatika na mporesoyme stis poly dyskoles aytes oikonomikes synqhkes poy zoyme, na jemplokaroyme megala erga, na jemplokaroyme tis megales ependyseis poy synantoyn shmera ena apotreptiko periballon sthn Ellada. Na doyme ta qemata ygeias, opws eipa sthn arxh, th nosokomeiakh diafqora. Mia diafqora poy antimetwpizei o poliths kaqhmerina sta nosokomeia kai apotelei troxopedh sthn anaptyjh toy systhmatos ygeias. Kai se ola ayta emeis proxwrame.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Tiqetai qema anasxhmatismoy;

PETALWTHS: Qa to diaceydw kaqhmerina, oso to rwtate.

PAPPA: Epibebaiwnete oti xqes sto atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio yphrjan polles enstaseis, oson afora toys ryqmoys me toys opoioys proxwra h k. Katselh;

PETALWTHS: Safws kai den epibebaiwnw kati tetoio. Kai ayto, oxi gia na kalycw kapoia katastash. Opws eipa prohgoymenws, to atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio leitoyrgei oysiastika sth dikh mas kybernhsh, giati akribws qeloyme na yparxei syzhthsh, na yparxei syllogikh symbolh se ola ta nomosxedia, se kaqe nomosxedio kai se kaqe protash poy erxetai apo ton armodio ypoyrgo, o opoios fysika kai einai armodios sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn poy toy exei anaqesei o Prwqypoyrgos. Epeidh diabasa kai akoysa para polla sta MME, to na ekfrazei kapoios ypoyrgos th skech toy, opws egine xqes sto atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, oxi aplws epitrepetai, alla epiballetai apo thn eyqynh twn ypoyrgwn. Kai malista, otan oi ypoyrgoi poy topoqethqhkan sto megalo ayto sxedio toy neoy anaptyjiakoy nomoy -o opoios einai prwtoporiakos kai den exei kamia sxesh me toys palioys anaptyjiakoys nomoys kai me tis gnwstes arnhtikes synepeies sthn anaptyjh ths oikonomias- exoyn diatelesei se qeseis anaptyjhs sto ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, se prohgoymenes qhteies toys. Ara, exoyn apoch poy einai epibeblhmenh na akoygetai kai na ekdhlwnetai, me ton tropo poy egine xqes, sto atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

SIDERHS: Mas lete oti doyleyete para poly sklhra kai oti einai ojygono ta atypa ypoyrgika. An doyleyete toso sklhra kai eiste toso apotelesmatikoi, giati epta mhnes meta thn anodo ths kybernhshs akoygontai san programmatikes dhlwseis ayta poy mas lete, ``qa kanoyme'' pragmata poy eprepe hdh na exete kanei. Giati einai nomoqetikes ryqmiseis, ypobolh nomosxediwn, den anaferomaste se ergo. Anaferomaste se nomosxedia poy qa mporoysan se dyo kai treis mhnes na exoyn katateqei.

PETALWTHS: Emeis blepoyme ta nomosxedia ws ergaleia paragwghs ergoy. Ta nomosxedia poy kataqetoyme sth Boylh einai melethmena, den einai diekperaiwtika. Eidika to qema ths anaptyjhs den lynetai me enan anaptyjiako nomo. Einai mia desmh apo nomoys kai metra poy exoyn na kanoyn synolikotera me thn oikonomia kai ayto ginetai. Hdh, opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, xrhmatodoteitai o,ti ependytiko sxedio anaferetai ston prohgoymeno anaptyjiako nomo, ta opoia emeis jemplokaroyme - giati brhkame sto syrtari mas polla ependytika sxedia poy htan apenergopoihmena. Ayta apo mona toys paragoyn anaptyjh. Me th beltiwsh toy anaptyjiakoy periballontos, mesa apo ayto to neo anaptyjiako nomo poy qa erqei sth Boylh qa deite oti pragmatika epibrabeyetai h kainotomia, h apokentrwsh, h diathrhsh qesewn ergasias. Synepws, prospaqoyme me stoxeymenes energeies, tis opoies entassoyme se ena melethmeno nomoqetiko plaisio, na askhsoyme to ergo mas.

GIANNISHS: Mias kai milame gia anaptyjh kai dedomenoy oti o toyrismos qewreitai h atmomhxanh kai ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, alla kai ths anaptyjhs, yparxei kapoios sxediasmos, wste o Prwqypoyrgos na symmetasxei sthn kampania probolhs toy ellhnikoy toyrismoy;

PETALWTHS: Opws anefera kai xqes, gnwrizoyme oti o ellhnikos toyrismos, o opoios einai apo ta epifanestera kai spoydaiotera proionta poy exoyme na paragoyme ws xwra, gnwrizei mia poly megalh krish. Na mhn epanalabw o,ti epeshmana xqes. Aplws na anaferw oti yparxei mia poly megalh kaqysterhsh sthn ependysh ston toyrismo. O toyrismos brisketai se krisimh katastash, yparxoyn xiliades akyrwseis krathsewn, me opoies synepeies yparxoyn apo aytes. Synepws, emeis prepei na kanoyme kai hdh exoyme proxwrhsei se ayto, grhgorh doyleia Pera apo ola ayta poy ginontai apo to armodio ypoyrgeio Politismoy kai Toyrismoy toys teleytaioys mhnes, hdh -kai apo thn poly asxhmh ejelijh twn teleytaiwn ebdomadwn ws pros tis krathseis- exei dhmioyrghqei ston EOT mia epitroph diaxeirishs krishs. Kai fysika, epeidh akribws dhmioyrghqhkan kainoyrgies anagkes poy prepei na antimetwpisoyme, dhmioyrgoyme kai ejeidikeyoyme entos twn hmerwn mia ejeidikeymenh, internetikh kyriws, kampania gia ton ellhniko toyrismo. Sto plaisio ayto, yparxoyn polles skeceis, polles protaseis. Hdh, dhmioyrgeitai kai ``trexei'' to dhmioyrgiko ayths ths kampanias kai yparxei skech apo to armodio ypoyrgeio na xrhsimopoihqoyn kai apospasmata apo omilies politikwn, metajy twn opoiwn kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Shmera, mas lete oti yparxoyn para polles akyrwseis krathsewn. Xqes, aytes tis akyrwseis tis apodwsate stis kinhtopoihseis twn ergazomenwn eite sto limani, eite se diafora alla shmeia. Telika ti isxyei; Ftaine oi ergazomenoi h oi akyrwseis ginontai giati yparxei krish se olh thn Ellada kai profanws kapoioi ergazomenoi den mporoyn na erqoyn sthn Ellada;

PETALWTHS: Xqes, kai sas epanelaba kai shmera, milhsa gia thn krish toy ellhnikoy toyrismoy. To oti yparxei pagkosmia krish einai gnwsto. Alla otan ginontan aytes oi krathseis, h pagkosmia krish yphrxe. H ellhnikh, omws, krish poy dhmioyrghqhke kai ojynqhke tis teleytaies hmeres kai me ta gnwsta epeisodia poy stigmatisan thn Ellada dieqnws, htan kaqoristikh gi ayto to periballon poy dhmioyrghqhke me ena klima anasfaleias kai foboy se oloys toys episkeptes poy eixan kanei hdh tis krathseis toys kai oi opoioi den qeloyn pleon na erqoyn sthn Ellada gia eynohtoys logoys. Emeis prospaqoyme na anatrecoyme ayto to klima. Prospaqoyme, me kaqe tropo, na diamhnysoyme sto ejwteriko oti h Ellada einai mia xwra asfalhs, oti den exoyn na fobhqoyn tipote. Parola ayta, akomh kai shmera, gia osoys parakoloyqoyme eidhseis, eidame se kroyazieroploio poy briskotan ston Peiraia na talaipwroyntai oi epibates toy, epi treis toylaxiston wres, prokeimenoy na apobibastoyn, giati yphrxan oi sygkekrimenes kinhtopoihseis. Gia na mh dhmioyrgw omws kai egw ena klima poy den prepei, den qelw na anaferw sygkekrimenoys ariqmoys, toys opoioys qa anaferei to armodio ypoyrgeio. Omws einai xiliades oi akyrwseis poy eginan logw twn epeisodiwn twn teleytaiwn hmerwn kai to oikonomiko elleimma poy dhmioyrgeitai kaqe ebdomada anerxetai se polles dekades ekatommyriwn eyrw. Kaneis den mporei na arnhqei to dikaiwma oyte sthn apergia, oyte stis kinhtopoihseis, oyte sth diekdikhsh dikaiwmatwn. To empodio ston toyrismo den einai oi polites poy diadhlwnoyn gia ta dikaiwmata toys. To empodio einai sygkekrimenes kinhtopoihseis kai draseis poy telika balloyn kata toy toyrismoy sth xwra mas.

MIXAHL: Oson afora thn episkech Erntogan. Ayrio, qa ton ypodexqei o k. Papandreoy sto Megaro Majimoy. Ti na perimenoyme; Giati yparxoyn plhrofories poy lene oti ayrio oi dyo Prwqypoyrgoi prokeitai na ejaggeiloyn kati koina symfwnhmeno. Den prosdiorizetai akribws, alla afhnetai na ennohqei. Exete na mas peite kati parapanw;

PETALWTHS: Hdh ginetai mia proergasia se polla epipeda, opoy qa ypografoyn symfwnies anamesa stoys armodioys ypoyrgoys. Kai fysika qa yparxoyn syzhthseis kai opoies apofaseis lhfqoyn se ola ta epipeda, qa anakoinwqoyn. Ejalloy, nomizw oti hdh parallhla ginetai enhmerwsh twn synadelfwn sas apo ton armodio anaplhrwth ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, o opoios dieykrinizei akomh perissotero ta qemata ths episkechs.

MIXAHL: Na symplhrwsw sthn erwthsh moy: O k. Papandreoy qa zhthsei apo ton k. Erntogan na symfwnhsoyn se mia amoibaia meiwsh twn ejoplismwn twn dyo xwrwn, wste na antimetwpistoyn oi synepeies ths pagkosmias krishs sthn perioxh;

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa kai xqes se ayth thn aiqoysa oti h meiwsh twn ejoplismwn qa einai oxi aplws mia qemith symfwnia, opote ginei, alla kai epibeblhmenh me thn pagkosmia oikonomikh krish poy dierxomaste kai proslambanoyme ws xwres. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti polla xrhmata toy ellhnikoy kai toy toyrkikoy laoy, anti na phgainoyn se alles draseis, phgainoyn stoys ejoplismoys. Apo kei kai pera, omws, oi proypoqeseis gia na ginei kati tetoio, einai poly periorismenes, einai poly aysthres. Ws ellhnikh kybernhsh exoyme pei polles fores oti den arkoyn ta logia. Qa prepei na synodeyontai kai apo prajeis, etsi wste na dhmioyrghqei ena klima empistosynhs gia na mporesoyn na meiwqoyn oi ejoplismoi. Oson afora to ti qa syzhthqei ayrio, sas anefera oti qa anakoinwqei.

SIDERHS: Qa syzhthqoyn kai qemata energeiakhs fyshs. Ayta qa exoyn na kanoyn mono me to qema twn agwgwn h qa mporoysan na fqasoyn kai sto qema ypedafoys toy Aigaioy;

PETALWTHS: Qa epanalabw oti den mporw na prokatalabw kamia syzhthsh kai apofash. Opoies apofaseis lhfqoyn, qa anakoinwqoyn kai qa ejeidikeyqoyn sth meqayrianh synenteyjh Typoy.

TSAKIRHS: Qelw na sas rwthsw ean, ektos apo to atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, exete qesmoqethsei kai koino Ypoyrgiko Symboylio me thn Toyrkia.

PETALWTHS: Qa ginei mia koinh synedriash twn ypoyrgwn kai twn dyo pleyrwn kai ayto fysika einai pros ofelos ths dhmioyrgias klimatos empistosynhs anamesa stis dyo xwres. Kai fysika qa yparxei typikh atzenta kai syzhthsh.

POLYMEROS: Na gyrisoyme ligo sto oikonomiko egklhma kai thn timwria toy. Melos ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs ths Siemens, o k. Grhgorakos, eipe metajy allwn shmera to prwi pws ean den timwrhqoyn oi ypaitioi ayths ths katastashs ``qa mas paroyn me tis petres oi polites''. Einai etoimh h kybernhsh na proxwrhsei se proanakritikes Epitropes amesa, prokeimenoy na apodoqei dikaiosynh opoy xreiazetai kai na mh ginei ayto poy eipe o k. Grhgorakos, dhladh na sas paroyn me tis petres;

PETALWTHS: Ean fqasoyme na to leme kai emeis perissoteres fores, fysika ekfrazontas thn agwnia mas gia to politiko systhma, nomizw oti den symballoyme kai idiaitera. Ayto poy exoyme na kanoyme, einai na doyme ek neoy to rolo toy politikoy systhmatos synolikotera. Kai alimono ean apajiwnoyme toys politikoys kai toys boyleytes. Qa prepei na stigmatizoyme sygkekrimenes energeies kai draseis politikhs fysews, fysika sto plaisio ths kritikhs poy exei dikaiwma kai mporei na askhsei o kaqe poliths.

Ws pros th Siemens, qa moy epitrecete na mhn anaferqw, afora koinoboyleytikes diadikasies. Kai oi dyo Epitropes poy ``trexoyn'' -h Epitroph gia to Batopaidi, alla kai h Epitroph gia th Siemens- den exoyn oloklhrwsei tis ergasies toys. Parakoloyqoyme kai emeis, opws kai eseis, to ti diameibetai ekei. An yparxoyn stoixeia kai endeijeis poy qa mporoyn na odhghsoyn se proanakritikes Epitropes, pisteyw oti kaneis, eidika se ayth th sygkekrimenh periodo, den qa ypoleipetai se qarros na proxwrhsei se proanakritikes Epitropes. Ayto, omws, einai qema ths idias ths Boylhs kai twn opoiwn stoixeiwn qa prokycoyn.

Se ayto to shmeio, qa hqela na sas anaferw, epeidh diabasa se kapoia blogs oti dhlwsa sygkekrimena pragmata gia tis Ejetastikes Epitropes kai anaferontai, malista se eisagwgika, ws dikes moy protaseis. Einai pragmata poy den exw pei pote kai antiqetws ta exoyn pei boyleytes allwn kommatwn. Egw, eimai poly prosektikos, sebomai to rolo twn Ejetastikwn Epitropwn ths Boylhs kai to rolo toy Koinoboylioy, etsi wste na mhn protrexw. Alla, to oti den qa xaristoyme se kanena se ola ta epipeda, ayto einai dedomeno. Den yparxei periqwrio, pleon, oyte gia symbibasmoys, oyte gia symchfismoys, oyte gia xares se kanenan.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poso pragmatikh htan h enoxlhsh ths kybernhshs gia tis dhlwseis toy Proedroy toy SEB, otan th mia mera o Prwqypoyrgos yposxeqhke apo to bhma ths Genikhs Syneleyshs twn biomhxanwn ``zesto xrhma'' kai amesws mia mera meta sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, to ekane prajh me ton neo anaptyjiako nomo.

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos den yposxeqhke ``zesto xrhma'' stoys biomhxanoys. Gnwrizoyme oloi poly kala pws apaiteitai reystothta sthn agora. Reystothta, h opoia, omws, exei skopo na anaqermanei thn agora pros ofelos toy Ellhna polith. Ekeino to opoio stigmatisthke kai apo toys synadelfoys boyleytes, htan sygkekrimenes kinhseis kapoiwn epixeirhmatiwn, oi opoioi apajiwnan thn politikh. Kai fysika kaneis den qa mporoyse na symmeristei ayth thn apajiwsh. O neos anaptyjiakos nomos den dinei ``zesto xrhma'' stoys biomhxanoys. Dhmioyrgei to periballon kai tis proypoqeseis, etsi wste na yparxei epiteloys anaptyjh sthn Ellada. Anaptyjh stoxeymenh kai topika kai se epipedo tomewn kai se epipedo biwsimhs anaptyjhs, antikeimenikopoihmenh, me sygkekrimena moria, ta opoia qa pairnei o kaqe epixeirhmatias, etsi wste na epidothqei, efoson dhmioyrgei nees qeseis ergasias, efoson proagei thn antagwnistikothta, thn kainotomia, thn prostasia toy periballontos, efoson proagei thn prasinh anaptyjh. Se syntomo xroniko diasthma aytos o anaptyjiakos nomos qa einai epishma nomos toy kratoys - me oso pio beltiwmenh morfh ginetai kai fysika meta th diaboyleysh - etsi wste epiteloys na exoyme enan anaptyjiako nomo, o opoios qa einai sygxronos kai qa dhmioyrgei proypoqeseis gia biwsimh anaptyjh.

STRATAKHS: Ep' aytoy. Lete gia ton anaptyjiako nomo kai eipate arketa shmera. Pote qa efarmostei giati trexei hdh ena anaptyjiako programma.

PETALWTHS: Qa chfistei mexri ta mesa Ioynioy.

STRATAKHS: Pote qa efarmostei.

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa pote qa chfistei.

STRATAKHS: Egw rwtaw, mporei na efarmostei prin to telos toy 2010;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola sas eipa oti ayth th stigmh xrhmatodotoyntai ependytika sxedia, ta opoia exoyn perasei me to prohgoymeno anaptyjiako nomo. Ependytika sxedia ta opoia htan sta syrtaria kai emeis ta jemplokaroyme. Ara, h anaptyjh hdh proxwraei. Qa chfistei o neos anaptyjiako nomos kai fysika qa efarmostei otan yparxoyn oi anagkaies proypoqeseis.

STRATAKHS: Ep aytoy. Enas apo toys paragontes kaqysterhshs ths opoiasdhpote megalhs anaptyjhs sth xwra mas jeroyme poly kala oti einai to mplokarisma se dikastikes diamaxes kai antiparaqeseis, eite apo polites, eite apo diafores omades. Pws mporei h kybernhsh ayto na to jeperasei kai an mporei;

PETALWTHS: Einai alhqeia oti polles fores dhmioyrgeitai zhthma kaqysterhshs. Kati poy exei na kanei, bebaia, kai me th grafeiokratia, giati oi jenoi ependytes poy apofasizoyn na ependysoyn ta xrhmata toys sthn Ellada, gia to prwto qema poy paraponioyntai einai h grafeiokratia. Ara, me tis tomes poy kanoyme emeis sto kratos, akomh kai me thn aplopoihsh twn diadikasiwn, h opoia exei qespistei me nomo poy qa chfistei syntoma - hdh exei perasei apo atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio - ``spame'' ayto to katesthmeno ths grafeiokratias. Oson afora sth dikaiosynh, oi parembaseis poy mporoyme na kanoyme einai periorismenes. Se epipedo nomoqetikhs kai ektelestikhs ejoysias omws, mporoyme ws Politeia na dhmioyrghsoyme ekeines tis synqhkes kai na dhmioyrghsoyme to katallhlo periballon, etsi wste oi ypoqeseis poy exoyn na kanoyn me tis ependyseis na jemplokaroyn kai na mh dhmioyrgeitai empodio sthn anaptyjh ths xwras.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Qelw na gyrisw, ligo, sta legomena toy k. Daskalopoyloy. Epeidh, xqes, parakoloyqhsame sth Boylh mia epiqesh olwn twn politikwn dynamewn, profanws enoxlhmenoi oloi, parakoloyqhsame proxqes ton Prwqypoyrgo na zhtaei th sthrijh twn epixeirhmatiwn, etsi wste na anaplhrwqoyn oi qeseis ergasias poy xanontai apo to dhmosio. Kai xqes ton ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs na leei oti ``kapoies ceires xortasan kai bghkan sto giaka''. En pash periptwsei gia na xortasei mia ceira, kapoios thn taizei. Poios einai aytos;

PETALWTHS: Wraio qema gia syzhthsh h gia hmerida, dihmerida, synedrio. Gnwrizoyme omws oloi mas apo thn kaqhmerinh praktikh oti oi agkylwseis, oi paqogeneies poy yparxoyn sto ellhniko oikonomiko, anaptyjiako, politiko systhma, einai akribws aytes oi opoies trofodotoysan gia para polla xronia streblwseis sthn agora. Trofodotoysan th diafqora, kati to opoio einai para poly shmantiko. Ayth einai mia pragmatikothta, thn opoia ofeiloyme na apotypwsoyme kai na mhn krybomaste. Apo kei kai pera oi energeies, eidika ths kybernhshs, teinoyn akribws sthn anatajh ayths ths pragmatikothtas. Kai ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws me th grafeiokratia, exei amesh sxesh kai me thn diafqora. Oso megalyterh einai h grafeiokratia, toso megalyteres kai perissoteres esties diafqoras dhmioyrgoyntai. Kai gnwrizoyme para poly kala oloi kai akomh kai apo proswpikh, kaqhmerinh empeiria, ti shmainei ayto. Ara, qa symfwnoysa me to pneyma ths erwthshs sas oti einai sto diko mas xeri na mhn trofodotoyme aytes tis ``ceires'', gia na mhn bgainoyn sto giaka.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Mhpws ayth h antiparaqesh ths kybernhshs me ton Proedro toy SEB, erxetai na epikalycei oti thn idia stigmh poy h kybernhsh kobei misqoys kai syntajeis stoys ergazomenoys kai stoys syntajioyxoys, prosferei me nomoys nees epidothseis kai apeleyqerwsh epaggelmatwn kai antimonopwliakoys nomoys kai sthrijh twn epixeirhsewn; Erxetai na perasei se deyterh moira ayto, prin mas anakoinwsete ta metra eseis. An krathsa kala 6,2 dis eyrw qa einai oi epidothseis poy qa doqoyn amesa stoys epixeirhmaties.

PETALWTHS: Prokeitai gia ependyseis, oi opoies exoyn perasei apo gnwmodotikes epitropes, oi opoies exoyn kriqei oti throyn oles tis proypoqeseis gia na tyxoyn stoxeymenwn epidothsewn. Prwta apo ola aforoyn ston palio anaptyjiako nomo. Emeis, exoyme ypoxrewsh ws Politeia, giati h Politeia exei synexeia, na epidothsoyme aytes tis ependyseis poy den exoyn na kanoyn me ploytismo twn epixeirhsewn, exoyn na kanoyn me th dhmioyrgia anaptyjhs. Kai me to neo anaptyjiako nomo dhmioyrgoyme proypoqeseis, etsi wste na yparxei pio orqologistikh anaptyjh, na dhmioyrgoyntai qeseis ergasias, na dhmioyrgeitai ena periballon ygioys epixeirhmatikothtas. Antiparaqesh ths kybernhshs, genika, den yparxei me kanenan paragwgiko forea sth xwra mas. Yparxei antiparaqesh me dogmatikes pepoiqhseis, mono se ekeino to epipedo kata to opoio apajiwnoyn to politiko systhma kai apajiwnoyn kai thn idia thn koinwnia.

SIDERHS: Kat arxas mia parathrhsh. Sthn erwthsh ths synadelfoy apanthsate, oi agkylwseis, oi paqogeneies, oi streblwseis. Ayta den einai fysika fainomena.

PETALWTHS: Symfwnoyme.

SIDERHS: Epi twn hmerwn sas, yphrjan kai einai dika sas dhmioyrghmata...

PETALWTHS: Diafwnw.

SIDERHS: Oxi ayths ths kybernhshs, diaxronika twn kybernhsewn.

PETALWTHS: Se ayto symfwnw. Gi` ayto eipa epi dekaeties oloklhres. Kai an den to eipa, to symplhrwnw.

SIDERHS: Ayth h entypwsiakh omobrontia kata toy k. Daskalopoyloy, xqes, apo toys politikoys, mhpws einai epeidh oi epixeirhmaties teinoyn na kalycoyn diko sas zwtiko xwro;

PETALWTHS: Ws pros ti, dhladh; Poios einai o dikos mas zwtikos xwros;

SIDERHS: Ws pros th dieyqethsh ths politikhs, ws pros th dioikhsh ths koinwnias, ws pros to xwro ths politikhs.

PETALWTHS: Kaqenas mporei na leei oti qelei, na ekfrazetai opws qelei. Ekei, omws, poy yparxei apajiwsh ths idias ths politikhs kai malista apajiwsh poy den exei na kanei me mia kritikh, apajiwsh poy exei na kanei me mia sygkekrimenh antilhch kai h opoia ekfrazetai enwpion twn politikwn, emeis oi politikes dynameis exoyme dikaiwma kai ypoxrewsh na antitassomaste se ayto.

GIANNITSHS: Ayto einai apanthsh ston k. Daskalopoylo;

PETALWTHS: Einai apanthsh ston synadelfo sas.

SEGKOS: Persi o k. Daskalopoylos elege akribws ta idia. Eixe pei, dhladh, oti h metapoliteytikh Dhmokratia exei stomwsei kaqws kai to politiko systhma exei apempolhsei ton kaqodhghtiko toy rolo kai milage gia thn anagkh ejygianshs ths politikhs leitoyrgias. Persi, omws, den antidrasate, giati antidrate, fetos; Mhpws giati ejyphretei olo ayto to epikoinwniako paixnidi;

PETALWTHS: Emeis antidroyme, otan qewroyme oti qa prepei na yparxei antidrash. Antidrasame giati eimaste kybernhsh aytoy toy topoy. Kai antidrasame giati exoyme mia synolikh kai sygkekrimenh apoch gia thn politikh kai pws askeitai. Kai ta kommata poy antedrasan, antedrasan kat analogo tropo analoga me thn qewrhsh poy exei o kaqenas.

LASKARATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs mporei na milhse gia ``ceires'' kai na htan arketa xaritwmeno, o Prwqypoyrgos, omws, sto atypo ypoyrgiko symboylio milhse gia symferonta, ta opoia o ellhnikos laos gnwrizei oti ekanan zhmia sth xwra, alla den mphke sth diadikasia na pei poia einai ayta ta symferonta. Qa to kanei kapoia stigmh; Protiqetai na to kanei o idios h kapoio kybernhtiko stelexos;

PETALWTHS: To na bgoyme kai na katonomazoyme genikws kai aoristws symferonta, nomizw, oti oxi aplws den arkei, alla isa - isa qa mporei na apoprosanatolizei kiolas. Emas mas endiaferei ayta ta symferonta na ta antipaleyoyme pros ofelos kai mono toy dhmosioy symferontos.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Apo th xqesinh omobrontia, opws xarakthristhke, dhlwsewn kata toy k. Daskalopoyloy, apoysiaze kapoia sygkekrimenh topoqethsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. An exete kapoio sxolio na kanete ep` aytoy kai allo ena erwthma na sas qesw meta.

PETALWTHS: H kaqe politikh dynamh exei th dikh ths proseggish se sygkekrimenes prajeis kai fysika exei to dikaiwma na topoqeteitai h oxi. Eimaste politikes dynameis kai oles oi politikes dynameis krinontai apo tis apoceis toys kai tis symperifores toys.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Kai to deytero poy hqela na rwthsw: Ti ejhghsh dinei h kybernhsh gia th xqesinh apoxwrhsh ths metoxhs toy OTE apo to tamplo toy xrhmatisthrioy ths Neas Yorkhs kai an tiqetai zhthma gia ton Proedro kai Dieyqynonta Symboylo k. Panagh Boyrloymh.

PETALWTHS: Sthn kybernhsh den eixe gnwstopoihqei epishma ayth h kinhsh toy OTE kai hdh ayrio yparxei synanthsh toy k. Boyrloymh me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn k. Papakwnstantinoy, opoy qa syzhthqei to qema, epi ths oysias.

LIONAKHS: Ara, oysiastika mas eipate oti sxetika me to zhthma me thn k. Katselh kai thn anaptyjh, mas eipate oti den yparxei kamia metabibash armodiothtwn apo thn idia pros alloys ypoyrgoys;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kamia metabibash. H k. Katselh exei sygkekrimenes armodiothtes kai epopteia sto qema ths anaptyjhs. Paroysiase prosxedio toy neoy anaptyjiakoy nomoy, alla sas eipa oti akomh kai me ton isxyonta nomo ths Neas Dhmokratias kai poly perissotero, bebaia, me to neo anaptyjiako nomo, poy h idia h k. Katselh eishghqhke sto atypo Ypoyrgiko, problepetai diypoyrgikh epitroph gia thn proselkysh kai diekperaiwsh twn ependysewn. Giati oi ependyseis einai, fysika, anaptyjiako qema, alla exoyn na kanoyn kai me th leitoyrgia allwn ypoyrgeiwn.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Epeidh ton k. Erntogan ayrio qa ton synodeyei mia koystwdia Toyrkwn epixeirhmatiwn poy erxontai sthn Ellada kai epeidh yparxoyn dhmosieymata oti kapoioi ap` aytoys anaptyssoyn drasthriothtes ston toyrismo, yparxoyn skeceis gia na yparjoyn toyrkikes ependyseis sta nhsia toy Aigaioy;

PETALWTHS: Qa yparxei ena epixeirhmatiko foroym, Ellhnwn kai Toyrkwn epixeirhmatiwn, poy qa einai eleyqero kai anoikto kai mporoyme na to parakoloyqhsoyme, opote qa doyme kai ti apoceis exoyn gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia h ti tomeis synergasias mporei na anaptyxqoyn anamesa se ellhnikes kai toyrkikes epixeirhseis.

PAPPA: Xqes, kyrie Ekproswpe, oi boyleytes toy KTE PASOK ergasias askhsan kritikh ston k. Loberdo, dioti epta mhnes meta th diakybernhsh PASOK den exei akomh dioikhth to IKA. O k. Loberdos eipe oti xreiazetai prokhryjh. Qelw na rwthsw dyo pragmata: Prwton, xreiazotan epta mhnes gia na antilhfqei h kybernhsh oti xreiazetai prokhryjh kai deyteron, an h kybernhsh exei entopisei tomeis stoys opoioys yparxei kaqysterhsh, qa exei kaqysterhsei kai malista adikaiologhta, opws einai ayto, opws einai h ``mayrh trypa'' twn nosokomeiwn kai an s` ayto to plaisio skeftetai na kanei kapoies diorqwtikes kinhseis.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na sas ypenqymisw oti dioikhths toy IKA yphrxe mexri proxqes. To oti htan diorismenos apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh, den shmainei oti den yphrxe dioikhths se ayto to megalo asfalistiko organismo. Ara, nomizw oti ayth einai h apanthsh sto prwto sas erwthma.

Apo ekei kai pera, opoy yparxoyn elleiceis, prospaqoyme me poly gorga bhmata na tis anaplhrwsoyme. Gia thn ``trypa'' twn nosokomeiwn, qa moy epitrecete na sas ypenqymisw oti to qema ths nosokomeiakhs diafqoras einai ena poly megalo zhthma. Ena zhthma, to opoio den lynetai me enan nomo. Einai ena zhthma poy exei na kanei me tis ofeiles twn asfalistikwn tameiwn, prwta ap` ola, pros ta nosokomeia, gia na blepoyme kai thn aitia ths ``mayrhs trypas'', opoy gnwrizoyme oti ta asfalistika tameia breqhkan se poly megalh adynamia, giati kapoioi sygkekrimenoi kyrioi poy diaxeirizontai thn perioysia toys, ekanan ta gnwsta ``domhmena omologa'' gia ta opoia qa logodothsoyn sth Dikaiosynh. Ara, ena megalo meros ths ``mayrhs trypas'' twn nosokomeiwn proerxetai apo ta asfalistika tameia. Kai fysika, den mporoyse na ginei kati pio mprosta. Apo ekei kai pera, to ypoyrgeio Ygeias kai h k. Jenogiannakopoyloy kanoyn terasties prospaqeies, etsi wste na yparxei enas ejorqologismos stis promhqeies twn nosokomeiwn, enas ejorqologismos sth syntagografhsh twn farmakwn, poy einai ena poly shmantiko zhthma. Ginetai enas megalos agwnas, etsi wste na yparxei ejygiansh ston tomea twn farmakwn kai edw yparxei synergasia toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias, toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai fysika toy k. Loberdoy, etsi wste aytos o tomeas twn farmakwn epiteloys na ejygianqei. Emeis prospaqoyme na antimetwpisoyme oles aytes tis xronies paqogeneies, kai malista sth shmerinh dyskolh oikonomikh sygkyria, kai na bgaloyme se peras ayto poy legetai Eqniko Systhma Ygeias.

XRISTOFILOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, parathrhsa sthn eisagwgh sas, oti sthrijate thn k. Katselh kai thn k. Jenogiannakopoyloy poy ferontai apo dhmosieymata na exoyn prokalesei dysareskeia sto Majimoy, logw kaqysterhsewn sto ergo toys. Xqes, epishs, o Prwqypoyrgos sthrije me thn paroysia toy ston Agio Kosma, thn k. Mpirmpilh. Qewroyn oi treis ypoyrgoi oti ballontai adika kai zhthsan sthrijh apo thn kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den zhthse kaneis sthrijh apo thn kybernhsh, giati den yparxei logos. H kybernhsh sthrizei synolika ta melh ths. H leitoyrgia ths kybernhshs einai syllogikh. Kaneis ypoyrgos den einai monos toy. Oi ypoyrgoi exoyn sygkekrimenh armodiothta sto ypoyrgeio toys, exoyn thn epopteia twn nomikwn proswpwn poy toys exei anaqesei o nomos, alla h kybernhsh dra syllogika. Kai gi` ayto, akribws, den exei anagkh kanenas ypoyrgos sthrijh, oyte apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo, oyte apo kanenan allo synadelfo toy. Alla, to na apajiwnontai ypoyrgoi, oi opoioi prosferoyn ergo kai kanoyn mia sklhrh doyleia me diaforoys tropoys, nomizw oti den tima kanenan.

LASKARATOS: Gia to IKA mia erwthsh: Einai alhqeia oti fetos, kata to A' tetramhno toy trexontos etoys dapanhqhkan 50 ekatommyria eyrw perissotera gia farmaka, ap` o,ti to antistoixo perysino diasthma;

PETALWTHS: Den exw kapoio tetoio stoixeio gia na sas to diaceysw h na to epibebaiwsw. Pantws, ayto poy gnwrizw einai oti ginetai mia megalh prospaqeia, etsi wste na perioristoyn oi dapanes twn farmakwn, na perioristei h alogisth syntagografhsh, na ejorqologistei olo to systhma twn farmakwn kai s` ayto to plaisio kinoymaste.

Sas eyxaristw.

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