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Deytera, 17 Maioy 2010

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 17 Maioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri kai kalh ebdomada.

Me thn oloklhrwsh ths prospaqeias gia th dhmioyrgia kai th leitoyrgia enos neoy eyrwpaikoy mhxanismoy sthrijhs, ekleise enas kyklos drasthriothtas ths kybernhshs.

Mprosta mas, omws, yparxei enas neos, pio krisimos kyklos, poy einai h prospaqeia gia thn ylopoihsh toy programmatos mas. Apaiteitai, omws, kai h isxyropoihsh ths xwras mas dieqnws. O kyklos aytos jekinhse, hdh, me tis epafes me thn Toyrkia, me to shmerino tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Ispania, sth Madrith, gia th synanthsh Koryfhs Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai xwrwn ths Latinikhs Amerikhs. Kai epetai synexeia.

Twra, einai wra sklhrhs doyleias, me synepeia kai ypeyqynothta, gia na bgaloyme th xwra apo thn krish. Praktikes toy parelqontos poy qetoyn se kindyno to mellon ths xwras, alla kai twn politwn, den xwroyn, eidika se ayth thn krisimh sygkyria. Se ayton ton agwna exoyme kalesei oles tis politikes dynameis ths xwras. Kaneis den perisseyei shmera. H synainesh den einai ena koystoymi poy to forame otan oi synqhkes to epitrepoyn. H synainesh xtizetai me erga, prajeis kai oxi me ypekfyges kai logia entypwsiasmoy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to gegonos oti ekleise enas kyklos kai anoigei enas allos, shmainei oti ekleise h kleinei kai enas kyklos kai gia to kybernhtiko sxhma kai anoigei enas kainoyrgios kyklos, gia na yphrethsei toys stoxoys poy qetete pia, apo edw kai pera;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh dra me tropo syllogiko, eniaio kai panta sta plaisia ths entolhs poy ths exei anaqesei o ellhnikos laos. Opoy diapistwnoyme oti prepei na diorqwsoyme tis politikes mas, to kanoyme me qarros. H kybernhsh ergazetai se poly dyskoles sygkyries, se prwtofaneis sygkyries, me ton pio sklhro kai en telei apodotiko tropo.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti einai wra sklhrhs doyleias. Einai wra sklhrhs doyleias gia thn Ellada, profanws. Einai wra o k. Papandreoy na phgainei sth Madrith gia na asxolhqei me ta problhmata ths Karaibikhs; Mhpws den einai h katallhlh wra na breqei ektos Elladas, alla na kaqisei edw na syntonisei to kybernhtiko sxhma, mia kai exoyme mpei se ayton ton kykewna twn problhmatwn;

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, Giwrgos Papandreoy, den asxoleitai me ta qemata ths Karaibikhs, alla symmetexei sth synanthsh Koryfhs twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs me tis xwres ths Latinikhs Amerikhs, poy ginetai kaqe dyo xronia. To qema ths Synodoy Koryfhs einai h anaptyjh kai h energeia, kati poy mas afora amesa kai ws xwra kai ws Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Kai einai akribws h stigmh, opoy apaiteitai, gia allh mia fora, o k. Papandreoy, me thn empeiria toy, alla kai to megalo kefalaio ths dieqnoys proswpikothtas toy, na symbalei etsi wste h xwra mas na mporesei na tyxei kai ths sthrijhs apo toys etairoys, alla kai apo toys pagkosmioys etairoys gia thn antistrofh kai thn anatajh ths anajiopistias poy exoyme edw kai xronia.

PAPPA: Tria qemata: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na rwthsw, an mporeite na mas peite kati parapanw, apo ayta poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos sto CNN, oti dhladh einai anoixto to endexomeno na kinhqei dikastika h Ellada kata amerikanikwn ependytikwn trapezwn. Deyteron, an exei kapoio sxolio h kybernhsh kai poia einai h qesh ths, oson afora to dhmosieyma ths ``Eleyqerotypias'', shmera, poy leei oti o k. Tolhs Boskopoylos xrwstaei 5,5 ekatommyria eyrw sthn eforia. Kai triton, an mporeite na mas peite kati perissotero gi` aytes tis synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy to prwi me epixeirhmaties.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na jekinhsw apo to prwto erwthma sas: Einai gnwsto oti h Ellada, ws adynamos krikos, dexqhke kerdoskopikes epiqeseis apo tis agores. H Ellada exei fysika thn eyqynh gia th qesh poy efqase.

H prohgoymenh kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias frontise na mas katasthsei mia anajiopisth xwra. Na mas katasthsei ton adynamo kriko, oxi mono se eyrwpaiko, alla kai se pagkosmio epipedo. Kai opws gnwrizoyme, h pagkosmiopoihmenh pleon oikonomia kai agora, leitoyrgei me sygkekrimenoys tropoys. Ekei brhkan thn eykairia oi kerdoskopoi na kanoyn ena pragmatiko panhgyri, eis baros ths Elladas, gia na fqasoyme shmera edw. Kai bebaia, prospaqoyn na epekteinoyn ayto to panhgyri kai me alles xwres ths Eyrwphs, oi opoies exoyn paromoia problhmata me ta dika mas. Mesa, omws, se aytes tis synqhkes, anoije kai mia pagkosmia syzhthsh gia to rolo twn kerdoskopikwn, ependytikwn - ypotiqetai- omilwn kai epixeirhsewn kai fysika, mesa se ayth th syzhthsh, h Ellada, h opoia htan kai h prwth paqoysa, exei mia empeiria poy mporei na xrhsimopoihqei etsi wste na mhn yparxoyn tetoioy eidoys kerdoskopikes epiqeseis, toylaxiston se tetoio baqmo kai me tetoia eykolia, sto mellon. Sta plaisia ayta, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Papandreoy ejefrase sth synenteyjh toy sto CNN -h opoia omws apodoqhke kai me diaforetika apospasmata- na arxisei mia syzhthsh gia to pws mporoyme na prosfygoyme, se dikastiko epipedo, kata aytwn twn kerdoskopikwn etaireiwn. Ayth, omws, einai mia poly megalh syzhthsh. Ta pragmata safws kai einai synqeta. Aplws, o Prwqypoyrgos edwse to stigma oti aytes oi kerdoskopikes pleon epiqeseis, qa prepei na tyxoyn idiaiterhs antimetwpishs, eidika apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

MIXAHL: Gia na to eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, ypoqetw h fantazomai oti den to eipe etsi giati toy hrqe sto kefali h to skefqhke. Kapoia stoixeia exei h en pash periptwsei, qewrei oti mporei na apokthsei. Mporeite na mas peite, ti xarakthristika exoyn ayta ta stoixeia;

PETALWTHS: Einai eynohto kai aytonohto oti gia na to pei o Prwqypoyrgos exei ena safes stigma kai deixnei ena safes stigma twn proqesewn ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, desmeyomai kai den mporw na pw perissotera pragmata, ypo thn ennoia oti, opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws, twra anoigei mia syzhthsh kai einai shmantiko oti aytes oi kerdoskopikes epiqeseis, qa tyxainoyn efejhs peraiterw diereynhshs, etsi wste na mhn tis dexomaste paqhtika. Kai mono to stigma ayto, nomizw oti pros to paron, arkei.

POLYMEROS: Qa einai mia syntetagmenh prospaqeia, dhladh qa einai me kybernhseis poy qa anhkoyn sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai giati oxi, kai apo thn kybernhsh twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn poy qa ginei mazi me thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, dhladh, na mhnysoyn apo koinoy oles aytes tis etaireies poy eballan me kerdoskopikoys skopoys, enantion twn xwrwn kai eidika gia emas. Kai kati akomh: Skeftetai o Prwqypoyrgos, mazi me toys ypoloipoys hgetes, na kanei mia syzhthsh gia th dhmioyrgia enos mhxanismoy ajiologhshs pistolhptikhs ikanothtas twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, prokeimenoy na spasei ayto to monopwlio aytwn twn etaireiwn ajiologhshs, telos pantwn;

PETALWTHS: Ayth h syzhthsh hdh exei anoijei sthn Eyrwph, gia th dhmioyrgia oikwn ajiologhshs, etsi wste na mhn yparxoyn emplekomena kai diaplekomena symferonta, metajy ajiologhtwn kai ependysewn. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaia, einai qema eyqynhs ths idias ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs na anaptyjei aytoys toys mhxanismoys poy na prostateyoyn, toylaxiston se ayto to shmeio, ta idia ths ta melh. Ws pros to me poioys qa synergastei h ellhnikh kybernhsh, eimaste akomh sthn arxh. Yparxei diereynhsh ths olhs ypoqeshs, etsi wste sto telos na mporoyme na amynomaste, syllogika kai synolika, apenanti se tetoioy eidoys kerdoskopikes epiqeseis.

Oson afora th deyterh erwthsh sas, gia ton k. Boskopoylo kai gia to sxetiko dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas ``Eleyqerotypia'', o k. Boskopoylos einai enas idiwths kai apo oso prokyptei kai apo to dhmosieyma, yparxoyn dikastikes ekkremothtes, ws pros tis ypoxrewseis toy gia th forologikh katabolh kai taktopoihsh.

MIXAHL: Antilambanomai pws o k. Boskopoylos den exei dhmosia idiothta, einai idiwths, alla den payei na einai syzygos meloys ths kybernhshs. An loipon ta syggenika sas proswpa den dinoyn sth shmerinh sygkyria to kalo paradeigma, entos h ektos eisagwgikwn to eklambanete opws qelete, antilambaneste oti einai laqos olo to mhnyma. En pash periptwsei, twra poy bghke, qa zhthsete na katabalei ta 6 ekat. eyrw;

PETALWTHS: To diko mas mhnyma einai safws mhnyma eynomias. To deixnoyme me kaqe prajh, me kaqe energeia kai me kaqe skech mas. Apo kei kai pera, omws, ena dhmosieyma poy anaferetai -opws to diabasame oloi- me elliph stoixeia, pragmatika den mporei na dwsei ekeines tis diastaseis poy exei isws mia ypoqesh me tis gnwstes diekdikhseis kai dikastikes ekkremothtes toy k. Boskopoyloy. Ean yparxoyn peraiterw stoixeia, h kybernhsh qa parei qesh. Kai fysika den prokeitai na kanoyme pisw sta peri diafaneias, peri eynomias kai peri kaloy paradeigmatos poy dinoyn ta melh ayths ths kybernhshs.

BLABIANOS: H kybernhsh elabe ta metra poy eprepe gia na ryqmisei h xwra to dhmosionomiko ths problhma. Twra poy oi Eyrwpaioi antilambanontai oti stoxos einai to eyrw, mhpws klhqoyme pleon ws Eurogroup h en pash periptwsei ayth th stigmh ws Ellada na laboyme epipleon metra, apo th stigmh poy blepw oti oles oi efhmerides miloyn peri synagermoy gia na swqei to eyrw;

PETALWTHS: Epipleon metra, ennoeite oxi emeis ws xwra, alla genikotera sthn Eyrwph;

BLABIANOS: Genikotera sthn Eyrwph, poy qa exoyn omws epiptwsh kai se mas, fysika.

PETALWTHS: H syzhthsh sthn Eyrwph alla kai se pagkosmio epipedo, opws sas anefera kai prohgoymenws, anoije apo th stigmh poy h Ellada katesth adynamos krikos kai proseblhqh apo tis kerdoskopikes epiqeseis. Sto plaisio ayto, fysika den eprokeito mono gia to paron kai to mellon ths Elladas, alla eprokeito kai gia to mellon ths eyrwzwnhs kai toy koinoy nomismatos. Einai eyqynh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, ths eyrwzwnhs, twn eyrwpaikwn kybernhsewn, synolika kai syllogika, na diekdikhsoyn thn ypostash ths xrhmatodotikhs toys pisths kai thn ypostash toy koinoy nomismatos me tetoio tropo, wste na mhn mporei na kindyneyei apo tetoioy eidoys kerdoskopikes epiqeseis kai na mh balletai apo kanenan.

PAPPA: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean exete na mas peite kati gia th synanthsh me omogeneis epixeirhmaties poy eixe shmera o Prwqypoyrgos.

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos proskalese, mazi me ta melh ths kybernhshs poy einai armodia se qemata ependysewn, Ellhnes omogeneis epixeirhmaties apo tis HPA, th Gallia, to Ntoympai kai thn Aystralia. Epixeirhmaties oi opoioi mporei na dwsoyn thn texnognwsia, th skech kai th symbolh toys, etsi wste na mporesoyme na doyme me mia eyryterh matia thn anaptyjh sthn Ellada. Tetoioy eidoys epafes safws einai shmantikes. Einai shmantikh h symbolh aytwn twn anqrwpwn poy drasthriopoioyntai me alla protypa kai exoyn diaforetikes empeiries, prokeimenoy na mporesoyme na doyme kai emeis to montelo anaptyjhs me enan kalytero tropo. Pisteyoyme oti ayto qa apodeixqei kai apo ayth th synanthsh.

PAPPA: Ep` aytoy: Ayto einai synexeia enos forum poy qelei na kanei h kybernhsh me epixeirhmaties toy ejwterikoy ellhnikhs katagwghs;

PETALWTHS: Entassetai stis prospaqeies ths kybernhshs na mporesei na entajei toys omogeneis epixeirhmaties sth megalh prospaqeia poy kanei o ellhnikos laos kai to eqnos synolikotera, wste h Ellada na exei apo edw kai pera thn tyxh poy ths armozei. Einai gnwsto oti kai kata thn episkech toy stis HPA, o Prwqypoyrgos symmeteixe se deipno ergasias me 25 peripoy Ellhnoamerikanoys epixeirhmaties. H shmerinh prospaqeia einai mia poly kalh symbolh kai qa yparxei synexeia sto mellon ws pros ayto.

SIDERHS: Epeidh kaneis den kanei ependyseis me bash th filopatria kai to synaisqhmatismo, poso allaje h ti allaje sto epixeirhmatiko klima apo ton Oktwbrio kai meta sthn paragwgikh domh ths xwras, sta nomosxedia poy qa eprepe na erqoyn, wste na katasthsete eynoikes tis ependyseis; Mporeite na mas apariqmhsete ti exete kanei apo ton Oktwbrio ews twra;

PETALWTHS: Ta exoyme anaferei para polles fores. Einai alhqeia oti to megalo stoixhma poy bazoyme einai ayto ths anaptyjhs. Prospaqoyme kai me nomoqethmata, poy einai ergaleia poy anoigoyn to dromo gia thn anaptyjh, na kanoyme elkystikes tis ependyseis sth xwra mas. Hdh, yparxoyn kai kapoies symfwnies poy exoyn ypografei me to Katar kai me alles xwres. Akomh kai aytes oi symfwnies poy ypografthkan me thn Toyrkia, exoyn amesh sxesh kai me thn anaptyjh ths xwras mas.

Apo kei kai pera, einai eynohto kai aytonohto oti eidika se aytes tis poly sklhres synqhkes einai poly dyskolo na milhsei kapoios gia nea anaptyjh. Emeis, omws, to prospaqoyme, giati gnwrizoyme oti to mellon, eidika se aytes tis synqhkes, einai h anaptyjh. Ayto, omws, den erxetai apo mono toy. Ayto qelei doyleia kai systrateysh olwn. Qelei symbolh, qelei neo pneyma epixeirhmatikothtas, qelei ygieis epixeirhmaties poy na sebontai th doyleia toys kai fysika mia Politeia poy den qa exei agkylwseis.

Ayth einai h dikh mas symbolh, ws kybernhshs, prospaqwntas na dhmioyrghsoyme ena tetoio pneyma, ena periballon, to opoio qa einai katallhlo kai elkystiko gia toys swstoys ependytes.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Shmera kai ayrio, synedriazoyn oi ypoyrgoi Oikonomikwn twn xwrwn-melwn ths eyrwzwnhs. Kai epeidh yparxei ena sxedio kyrwsewn, sxetika me toys proypologismoys kai to Symfwno Staqerothtas, yparxei periptwsh na yparjoyn nea metra poy qa zhthqoyn apo tis kybernhseis na epiblhqoyn kai eidikotera kai ston idiwtiko tomea, prokeimenoy na ayjhqei h antagwnistikothta;

PETALWTHS: Ej oswn gnwrizw kai me exoyn diabebaiwsei, den yparxei sthn atzenta synedriashs toy Eurogroup kai toy Ecofin to qema ths Elladas. Einai gnwsto oti emeis phrame sklhres apofaseis, einai gnwsto oti phrame metra, polla ek twn opoiwn einai diarqrwtika, alla kai metra poy exoyn na kanoyn me to biotiko epipedo toy Ellhna polith. Metra anagkastika, logw twn ektaktwn synqhkwn poy pername. To idio, dystyxws, exei arxisei na ginetai kai se alles eyrwpaikes xwres. Ayto einai ena qema pros syzhthsh. Ara, einai logiko oi ypoyrgoi Oikonomikwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai ths eyrwzwnhs, genikotera kai eidikotera, na syzhtoyn tetoioy eidoys qemata kai na yparxei enas problhmatismos panw sthn oikonomikh katastash twn xwrwn aytwn.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eidame prosfata dhmoskophseis oi opoies, nai men fernoyn to kybernhtiko komma prwto, omws eidame kai ena megalo kommati toy ellhnikoy laoy na gyrizei thn plath sto yparxon politiko systhma kai na einai prwto komma. Se ayto ton kosmo eseis, ti mhnyma stelnete; Kai ean yparxei ektimhsh oti xwraei kai ena neo politiko komma.

PETALWTHS: Emeis fysika den eimaste armodioi na kanoyme ektimhseis gia nea politika kommata. Ta politika kommata dhmioyrgoyntai panw se ideologikes platformes, politikes symfwnies kai fysika ta politika kommata einai ekfrash twn anagkwn twn politwn kai toy ellhnikoy laoy.

Ws pros tis dhmoskophseis, tis xrhsimopoioyme monon ws ergaleio. Emeis antilambanomaste kai katanooyme thn apogohteysh poy exei o kosmos. Kai pali se ayth thn krish poy pername, to PASOK prohgeitai kata 10 monades ths Neas Dhmokratias. Antilambanomaste, opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws, ayth thn apogohteysh toy polith. Ekeino, omws, poy exoyme na kanoyme emeis apo edw kai pera einai erga. Na stamathsoyme, oloi mas, na menoyme sta logia kai pisteyw oti einai eyqynh oloy toy politikoy systhmatos. Kai gi` ayto eipa kai prohgoymenws oti afoy kleisame ena kyklo poy eixe amesh sxesh me thn agwnia mas na daneistoyme - kai h agwnia na daneistoyme htan h agwnia ths idias ths yparjhs kai ths ypostashs ths xwras mas- prospaqoyme pleon na dwsoyme mia anaptyjiakh prooptikh sth xwra mas kai mia prooptikh beltiwshs ths zwhs toy aploy Ellhna polith. Ayto einai sto xeri mas, einai sto xeri kyriws ths kybernhshs na to palecei kai na to dwsei ws mhnyma ston Ellhna polith. Alla, den einai mono sto xeri ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Einai sto xeri kai ypoxrewsh olwn twn politikwn kommatwn, olwn twn politikwn kai koinwnikwn dynamewn.

Bebaiws, zoyme kai paradojothtes. Shmera, as mhn jexname oti yphrxe programmatismenh synanthsh ths k. Paparhga me ton arxhgo ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Samara. Einai pragmatika paradojo, kai kaqenas analambanei tis eyqynes toy, otan h k. Paparhga arnhqhke na proselqei sto Symboylio twn politikwn arxhgwn ypo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias gia na syzhthqoyn sygkekrimena qemata diafaneias toy politikoy systhmatos, protima na syskeptetai - opws qa kanei kai o k. Tsipras ayrio- me ton arxhgo ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Samara. Aytes oi paradojothtes einai energeies twn kommatwn ths Aristeras, poy steroyntai sobarhs epixeirhmatologias. Nomizw oti qa prepei ta kommata ths Aristeras na ejhghsoyn ston ellhniko lao giati protimoyn ton arxhgo ths Neas Dhmokratias apo th syskech twn politikwn arxhgwn ypo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Ekei fainetai kai h eyqynh olwn mas gia to pws antilambanomaste oloi thn krisimothta twn stigmwn ths xwras mas, alla kai toy Ellhna polith.

SIDERHS: Kat arxas giati sas kanei entypwsh. Aytoi oi anqrwpoi exoyn janasygkybernhsei sto parelqon.

PETALWTHS: Sto 1989 anaferesqe.

SIDERHS: Nai. Deyteron. Yparxei mia oloena klimakoymenh frastikh epiqetikothta tmhmatwn toy laoy pros to politiko proswpiko ths xwras. Afenos an se esas exei yparjei mia epiqetikothta...

PETALWTHS: Se mena proswpika;

SIDERHS: Nai, enhmerwtika rwtame. Kai deyteron poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs ep aytoy toy gegonotos kai an qewrei oti estw kai en oligois einai dikaiologhmenh ayth h frastikh epiqetikothta twn politwn apenanti sto politiko proswpiko.

PETALWTHS: H frastikh epiqetikothta den synadei me th Dhmokratia. Ayto einai sigoyro. O laos diamartyretai, diadhlwnei, ekdhlwnei thn agwnia toy. Kai ayto einai nomimo, qemito kai katanohto, fysika, gia tis dyskoles synqhkes kai tis dyskoles hmeres poy pername. To na balleis, omws, frastika kata politikwn proswpwn, anejairetws, apo mones toys aytes oi energeies adikoyn akoma kai ta ypotiqemena synaisqhmata orghs, agwnias kai aganakthshs, otan, gia paradeigma, eidame ton prwhn Proedro ths Boylhs k. Kaklamanh, enan anqrwpo poy einai wrimos, metriopaqhs kai exei palecei gia th Dhmokratia, na prophlakizetai apo sympolites mas oi opoioi etyxe na briskontai ekei kai na toy apagoreyoyn, oysiastika, thn kykloforia se enan prwhn Proedro ths Boylhs, o opoios oydepote exei dwsei dikaiwma kai labh.

Apo kei kai pera, egw parolo poy kykloforw, den exw tyxei tetoias apodokimasias. Mporw na sas anaferw antiqeta paradeigmata. Ekeino poy ekfrazei thn agwnia toy kosmoy, einai na proxwrhsoyme mprosta ws kybernhsh. H protroph poy mas dinei o kosmos, einai na baloyme mia tajh sta pragmata. Kai ayto to anaferw otan syzhtaw me chfoforoys allwn kommatwn kai me anqrwpoys stoys opoioys plhttetai to eisodhma toys. Alla, to na mpei tajh sth xwra mas, nomizw, oti pleon h koinwnia einai toso wrimh poy to bazei panw apo ta proswpika kai ta oikonomika toy kaqenos.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kat arxas qelw na maqw ean yparxei kapoios sygkekrimenos logos gia ton opoio allaje thn pthsh toy o k. Papandreoy kai qa kanei mia stash sto Milano prin paei sth Bhryto feygontas apo thn Madrith. Kai deyteron yparxei ena dhmosieyma se Sabbatiatikh efhmerida, stis ``APOKALYCEIS'', poy leei oti plhrwnei gia to kthrio sto opoio stegazetai, o Synhgoros toy Polith, 1.800.000 eyrw to xrono enoikio sto Batopaidi. Yparxei kapoia proqesh epanadiapragmateyshs aytoy toy enoikioy;

PETALWTHS: Einai qema, to opoio den gnwrizw. Qa to dw kai qa sas enhmerwsw. Oson afora gia thn stash toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Milano, qa yparxei sygkekrimenh anakoinwsh, an exei synanthseis.

SPANOY: Qa yioqethsete th symboylh poy sas edwse o k. Shmiths mesw ths efhmeridas ``Prwto Qema'' gia epistrofh twn dyo syntajewn, opoy aytes kophkan kai peraiterw meiwsh twn mh misqologikwn dapanwn sta ypoyrgeia;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, otan apofasizame ta metra kai otan lambaname aytes tis sklhres apofaseis, gnwrizame para poly kala, ti shmainei dhmosionomika h perikoph epidomatwn, perikoph meroys toy 13oy kai 14oy misqoy kai tis synepeies poy exoyn sto biotiko epipedo toy Ellhna polith. Apo kei kai pera gnwrizoyme oti xwris aytes tis perikopes, yphrxe ameso problhma daneiodothshs kai yphrxan zhthmata, opoy h Ellada qa mporoyse na ftasei se mia para poly dyskolh qesh. Sigoyra kaneis apo emas den qa hqele na perikoptontai epidomata h meros toy 13oy kai 14oy misqoy. Htan, omws, anagkaio. To stoixhma gia emas einai na anataxqei h ellhnikh oikonomia, prokeimenoy kai pali o Ellhnas poliths na mporei na anasanei kai na beltiwqei akomh perissotero h poiothta zwhs toy.

POLYMEROS: Mia dieykrinish. Eipate prin se erwthma synadelfoy oti ``opoy diapistwnoyme problhmata kai elleiceis qa kanoyme diorqwseis kai qa to kanoyme me qarros''. Ayto afora kai ta proswpa ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: Ta proswpa ths kybernhshs einai dedomena. Opoy pisteyoyme oti oi politikes mas xreiazontai diorqwsh, ayto to kanoyme. Oytws h allws, emeis exoyme balei sth dhmosia ``sfaira'' qesmoys, oi opoioi einai prwtognwroi, opws einai h diaboyleysh kai ta atypa ypoyrgika symboylia, gia toys opoioys exoyme kathgorhqei, etsi wste na ginetai poly megalh syzhthsh kai me th symmetoxh twn politwn, prokeimenoy na paroyme telikes apofaseis kai apo toys aploys polites kai fysika kai apo toys anqrwpoys poy gnwrizoyn kaqe fora to antikeimeno sto opoio syndialegomaste. Ara, einai safes oti emeis eimaste anoixtoi. Den exoyme agkylwseis, den exoyme dogmatismoys. To monadiko krithrio kai o monadikos gnwmonas me ton opoio politeyomaste kai apofasizoyme ws kybernhsh, einai to dhmosio symferon.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Sth koinh synenteyjh Typoy poy edwse o k. Erntogan me ton k. Papandreoy, o k. Erntogan eipe oti to NATO den anagnwrizei, den katagrafei parabiaseis ths Toyrkias ston ellhniko enaerio xwro. To NATO anagnwrizei h den anagnwrizei ton ellhniko enaerio xwro;

PETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme dwsei to stigma twn kyriarxikwn mas dikaiwmatwn. Emeis akoloyqoyme th nomimh kai dieqnh odo, etsi wste gia kaqe parabiash kai parabash toy enaerioy xwroy mas kai na diamartyromaste armodiws, opws prepei, alla kai na thn koinopoioyme kai sta dieqnh organa alla kai stoys organismoys poy metexoyme, kai fysika gia emas kati tetoio einai adiapragmateyto. Kai gi` ayto akribws, kaqe fora poy ginontai parabiaseis apo ta toyrkika aeroskafh, yparxei kai h analogh apanthsh ths ellhnikhs Politeias.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Gia mas einai adiapragmateyth. Gia to NATO; Yfistatai h den yfistatai ellhnikos, eqnikos...

PETALWTHS: O ellhnikos enaerios xwros yfistatai kai sto NATO entopizoyme kai parapempoyme tis diamartyries mas, gia tis parabiaseis aytes.

QEODWROPOYLOS: O k. Erntogan eipe oti to qema toy ``casus belli'', dhladh, ths aitias polemoy poy exei khryjei h Toyrkia sthn Ellada, den einai ena qema poy afora monomerws thn Toyrkia. Ti akribws shmainei ayto poy eipe o Toyrkos Prwqypoyrgos, giati den apanthqhke apo ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo. Dhladh, exei khryjei h Ellada ton polemo sthn Toyrkia kai den to gnwrizoyme;

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw ti ennoei o Toyrkos Prwqypoyrgos, oyte mporw na sas to pw egw. To qema einai, bebaia, oti to ``casus belli'', kaqe allo, para syneisferei sthn kalh geitonia metajy twn dyo xwrwn. Yparxoyn, omws, anoixta qemata, ta opoia einai pros diapragmateysh, opws einai h yfalokrhpida. Emeis exoyme sygkekrimenh protash, pagiws, edw kai xronia gia to qema ths yfalokrhpidas. Apo ekei kai pera, emeis, ws Ellada, kanoyme ola ta aparaithta bhmata kai oles tis aparaithtes energeies, etsi wste na mporoyme na zoyme eirhnika me th geitonikh xwra kai to geitoniko lao. Einai sto xeri ths Toyrkias pleon na kanei kai ekeinh ta bhmata poy qa deixnoyn pros th dhmokratia, ta bhmata ekeina poy qetoyn, ws proypoqesh gia na mporei na entaxqei h Toyrkia sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Ara, to qema kai to ``mpalaki'' einai pleon sthn pleyra ths Toyrkias.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Giati epeleje o Prwqypoyrgos na mhn apanthsei ap` eyqeias ston k. Erntogan;

PETALWTHS: Ws pros poio erwthma;

QEODWROPOYLOS: Kai sto ``casus belli'' kai sto qema toy NATO.

PETALWTHS: En antiqesei me ayto poy lete, h diapistwsh olwn mas, htan oti oi apanthseis, eidika toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy, htan eilikrinestates, htan apanthseis oi opoies den xwroysan amfisbhthseis. Kai en pash periptwsei kai apo tis dyo pleyres katagrafhke h apoch poy exoyn gia sygkekrimena zhthmata, eite symfwnoyme, eite diafwnoyme. Emeis den krycame tipote, oyte kaname mia synanthsh, oyte organwsame mia synanthsh twn dyo Prwqypoyrgwn kai ths toyrkikhs apostolhs me toys Ellhnes omologoys, h opoia qa kalypte ta zhthmata. Den apokryptoyme ta zhthmata. Symfwnies yparxoyn se qemata opoy exoyme sygklish apocewn. Metajy twn dyo xwrwn, omws yparxoyn megala problhmata. Alla, to na dhmioyrghqoyn sxeseis empistosynhs, bhma pros bhma, skali pros skali, einai poly megalh ypoqesh kai gia toys dyo laoys.

MPOTWNHS: Pws sxoliazete thn antidrash toy k. Erntogan sth synanthsh me toys Ellhnes dhmosiografoys kai sygkekrimena sto kommati twn parabiasewn poy ekane kai kapoies noyqesies pros ta MME;

PETALWTHS: Den qa mporoysa para na tonisw oti kaqenas exei thn apoch toy gia th leitoyrgia toy Typoy kai h leitoyrgia toy Typoy gnwrizoyme oti einai qema dhmokratias. Emeis, edw sthn Ellada, den mporoyme na dianohqoyme na ginontai systaseis ston Typo gia to pws qa prepei na symperiferetai. Kapoioi, omws, opws o k. Erntogan, profanws exoyn diaforetikh antilhch. Einai qema ths Toyrkias kai toy k. Erntogan.

Sas eyxaristw.

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