Greek Government Press Briefing, 10-03-29

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 29 Martioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 259297449

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 29 Martioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalh sas hmera kai kalh Megalh Ebdomada, odeyontas pros thn Anastash.

MIXAHL: Prohgoyntai ta paqh.

PETALWTHS: Ta paqh poy pername, einai diarkeias. Opote, apo edw kai pera, prosdokoyme thn anastash.

" Thn Pempth, h xwra mas eixe mia poly shmantikh epityxia. H symfwnia twn hgetwn ths Eyrwzwnhs, gia th dhmioyrgia enos neoy eyrwpaikoy mhxanismoy oikonomikhs sthrijhs kai staqerothtas, me meiochfikh symmetoxh toy Dieqnoys Nomismatikoy Tameioy, einai to apotelesma twn prospaqeiwn ths kybernhshs kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy, dioti kataferan na kerdisoyn thn empistosynh kai thn politikh sthrijh twn Eyrwpaiwn hgetwn kai ths Eyrwpaikhs Kentrikhs Trapezas. Ayth h symfwnia, oyte aytonohth htan, oyte mas xaristhke. Htan apotelesma swstoy strathgikoy sxediasmoy, epimonhs prospaqeias, meqodikwn kinhsewn kai sklhrwn diapragmateysewn. Htan symfwnia gia olh thn Eyrwph.

Htan kai einai pepoiqhsh ths kybernhshs oti den prepei na afhsoyme tis qysies toy ellhnikoy laoy - poy kai se ayth th dyskolh periodo sthrizei tis prospaqeies ths kybernhshs - na pane xamenes.

H apofash ayth, omws, shmatodotei mia nea epoxh gia thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai thn Eyrwzwnh poy antimetwpisan ayth th megalh proklhsh kai kataferan, para tis dyskolies, na kanoyn ena istoriko bhma kai na diasfalisoyn me prajeis thn allhleggyh kai thn empistosynh metajy twn kratwn - melwn.

O mhxanismos aytos twn Eyrwpaiwn hgetwn, alla kai h apofash ths Eyrwpaikhs Kentrikhs Trapezas, apodeiknyoyn, me ton kalytero tropo, afenos men oti h Eyrwph sthrizei to koino nomisma ths, afeteroy de oti yposthrizei xwres - melh ths Eyrwzwnhs poy antimetwpizoyn sobara oikonomika problhmata gia diaforoys logoys kai se kaqe periptwsh, opws en prokeimenw h Ellada diasfalizei th dhmosionomikh staqerothta ths Eyrwzwnhs, sto synolo ths.

H xwra mas petyxe na kerdisei ayto poy zhtoyse kai ayto poy xreiazotan: Ena mhxanismo poy qa apoqarrynei osoys epixeiroyn na ekmetalleytoyn th dyskolh qesh ths Elladas, anebazontas to kostos toy daneismoy.

Safws kai stoxos mas einai na mhn xreiastei na energopoihqei aytos o mhxanismos pote.

Stoxos mas paramenei na xrhmatodothsoyme tis daneiakes mas anagkes apo tis dieqneis agores.

Me bash kai tis dyo aytes apofaseis, h ellhnikh kybernhsh proxwra sthn aparegklith ylopoihsh toy Programmatos Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs, alla kai olwn twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn gia tis opoies exoyme desmeytei apenanti ston ellhniko lao.

Kaname ena megalo bhma. Apo dw kai pera synexizoyme me pio apofasistika bhmata.

" Qa hqela na kanw mia dhlwsh gia thn xqesinh ekrhjh bombas sta Pathsia: H kybernhsh ekfrazei th qlich ths gia ton qanato toy nearoy kai ton apotropiasmo ths gia tetoioy eidoys energeies poy lambanoyn xwra se mia xwra opws h Ellada kai me ta gnwsta apotelesmata, ta opoia oydolws - ma, oydolws - nomimopoioyn opoiadhpote drash, h opoia oxi mono den exei politika xarakthristika, alla einai kai akrws egklhmatikh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti htan ena megalo bhma h apofash twn Bryjellwn kai apo dw kai pera h kybernhsh synexizei pio apofasistika sthn epiteyjh twn stoxwn. Maqainoyme, epishs, apo to reportaz oti pia to baros einai oxi mono to na thrhqei to Programma Staqerothtas alla, ei dynaton na dhmioyrghqoyn kai proypoqeseis wste na mporoyme monoi mas na antimetwpisoyme th krish kai oxi na basistoyme se ayto ton mhxanismo poy apofasisthke kai to akoysame kai oloi apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Wstoso einai koino mystiko oti yparxoyn polla, qa elega, empodia kai fainomena dysleitoyrgias sth kratikh mhxanh. Eite giati oi ypoyrgoi metajy toys den exoyn brei ton katallhlo tropo synennohshs, eite giati exoyn kaqysterhsei oi prwtoboylies poy qa dwsoyn wqhsh sthn oikonomia. O Prwqypoyrgos pws skefthke na antimetwpisei ayta ta pragmata, wste na mporoyn na ginoyn pio apofasistika ayto poy eipate;

PETALWTHS: H kratikh mhxanh den leitoyrgei swsta giati exei xronies paqogeneies. Ayto einai dedomeno, to gnwrizoyme. Ayto to problhma to apotypwsame apo th prwth stigmh poy analabame th diakybernhsh. Apo kei kai pera, safws, kai leitoyrgoyn oi ypoyrgoi me th deoysa prospaqeia. Ginetai ena poly megalo kai shmantiko ergo kai mesa se ligotero apo eji mhnes, poy analabame thn kybernhsh, exoyme na epideijoyme ena poly shmantiko apotelesma se oloys toys tomeis. Apotelesma poy einai, bebaiws, mono h arxh. As mhn jexname oti oi synqhkes ypo tis opoies kaloyntai na doylecoyn ta melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy kai olh h kybernhsh, einai oi xeiroteres synqhkes poy qa mporoysan na antimetwpisoyn. Afenos men prospaqoyme se kaqe tomea na kanoyme ekeines tis tomes kai na dromologoyme tis apofaseis, gia tis opoies mas exei ejoysiodothsei o ellhnikos laos kai bebaiws, sygxronws prospaqoyme na bgaloyme mia akrh kai na symmazecoyme ta oikonomika, alla kai ta dioikhtika ekeina stoixeia, ta opoia sysswreyse h paqogeneia twn prohgoymenwn dekaetiwn, alla kyriws sysswreyse h politikh ths Neas Dhmokratias, h opoia, pragmatika, htan egklhmatikh gia th leitoyrgia toy kratoys. Ena kratos kaqara kommatiko, ena kratos to opoio den apodidei etsi opws prepei na apodidei. Ara, h prospaqeia mas, afenos einai poly shmantikh, afeteroy kai oi proklhseis - mias kai briskomaste mono sthn arxh twn megalwn allagwn poy prospaqoyme na kanoyme - einai para polles kai me pollh doyleia, me syntonismo kai me synennohsh, ennoeitai, metajy twn ypoyrgwn - h opoia oytws h allws yparxei - qa pame pio mprosta.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pote qa parei armodiothtes o k. Mpolarhs; Diabasame xqesino analytiko dhmosieyma oti akoma ekkremoyn. Kai to dhmosieyma, bebaia, elege kai ti ftaiei. Egw, rwtw ean kai efoson ekkremoyn pote qa exei armodiothtes;

PETALWTHS: H k. Katselh, hdh exei aposteilei armodiws to qema toy k. Mpolarh mazi me tis armodiothtes toy k. Arnaoytakh. Apomenei na systaqei o Organismos Anaptyjhs Boreioy Ellados, etsi wste na analabei tis armodiothtes o k. Mpolarhs. Kai o Organismos aytos einai se teliko stadio epejergasias.

MIXAHL: Me sygxwreite. An pernan eji mhnes gia mia epilogh toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy th gnwrizoyme apo tis 7 Oktwbrioy, na systaqei aytos o Organismos gia na mporoyn na proxwrhsoyn kapoia anaptyjiaka programmata sth Boreia Ellada, pws qa mporesete eseis na peisete thn ellhnikh koinwnia oti grhgora kai apofasistika qa exei apotelesma h prospaqeia poy kataballete;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola kalo qa einai na mhn apomonwnoyme ena gegonos, giati ektos apo ayto to gegonos, to opoio exei parei mia poly megalh ektash ston Typo, yparxoyn polles dekades alla gegonota, ta opoia, safws, kai einai enqarryntika kai ta opoia katadeiknyoyn thn apofash mas na pragmatopoihsoyme tis megales allages. Apo ekei kai pera, emeis exoyme ws stoxo mia diaforetikh oikonomikh, dioikhtikh kai anaptyjiakh antimetwpish ths Boreioy Ellados. Den qelame na yparxei ena kelyfos xwris oysiastikes armodiothtes, opws htan to prohgoymeno ypoyrgeio Makedonias - Qrakhs. Qeloyme na dwsoyme emfash sth Boreia Ellada. Einai apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ylopoieitai, prokeimenoy na dei h Boreia Ellada mia diaforetikoy eidoys anaptyjh. Gia ayto akribws exoyn thn edra toys th Qessalonikh oi dyo yfypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs, h k. Tzakrh kai o k. Mpolarhs apo to ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn kai apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai me th systash aytoy toy Organismoy, poy qa exei na kanei synolika me thn anaptyjh olhs ths Boreias Elladas, qa ylopoihqei kai aytos o stoxos ths kybernhshs.

ANTYPAS: Eipate oti h k. Katselh exei aposteilei tis armodiothtes kai ayto poy apomenei einai h systash toy organismoy. Tinos armodiothta einai h systash toy organismoy;

PETALWTHS: H systash toy organismoy einai armodiothta ths kybernhshs.

ANTYPAS: Pio sygkekrimena, ean mporeite;

PETALWTHS: Exei th gnwsth diadikasia, prokeimenoy na systaqei enas neos organismos, o opoios den einai typikos kai me kaqhkonta poy hdh problepontan alloy, etsi wste na ta parei ws neos organismos. Einai mia nea prospaqeia, h opoia ginetai me teleiws diaforetikh filosofia, apo aythn poy isxye mexri twra.

ANTYPAS: Otan lete ``ths kybernhshs'', mporeite na ginete pio sygkekrimenos;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei mia sygkekrimenh diadikasia...

ANTYPAS: ... h opoia einai, giati den th gnwrizw. Mporeite na moy th qymisete.

PETALWTHS: Yparxei mia sygkekrimenh diadikasia, h opoia perna mesa apo th Genikh Grammateia ths kybernhshs, h opoia pragmatika kanei mia ejairetikh doyleia ston tomea ayto kai brisketai sto teleytaio stadio ths epejergasias.

ANTYPAS: Eiste eyxaristhmenoi me aytoys toys ryqmoys;

PETALWTHS: Me toys ryqmoys ths kybernhshs, safws kai eimaste ikanopoihmenoi. Se ligotero apo eji mhnes ayth h kybernhsh ekane poly perissotera pragmata, apo o,ti ekane h kybernhsh ths ND - gia osa qetika mporoyme na poyme oti ekane- sta pentemisi xronia poy htan kybernhsh. Exoyme dwsei deigmata se oloys toys tomeis kai sth dioikhsh kai sthn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn ths oikonomias, alla kai sthn antimetwpish toy kratoys synolika. Tetoia deigmata poy pragmatika den ta perimene pote o ellhnikos laos. As mhn jexname -kai eyxaristw gia thn eykairia poy moy dinete na to janaqymisw- oti emeis eimaste aytoi poy bazoyme tis baseis, etsi wste to kratos na exei enan swsto tropo stis proslhceis, me deytero nomoqethma toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, oi proagwges twn dieyqyntwn poy den exoyn kamia sxesh me to kommatiko kai pelateiako kratos, poy eixe egkaqidrysei kyriws h ND, kai mia seira apo zhthmata, poy allazoyn th fysiognwmia toy kratoys. Kai ola ayta, mesa se aytes tis synqhkes, poy eixame na antimetwpisoyme. Me bazete se peirasmo na periaytologw, alla einai mia pragmatikothta, oloi oi Ellhnes polites, anejarthta apo to poy proskeintai kommatika, anagnwrizoyn oti ean den htan ayth h kybernhsh kai sygkekrimena aytos o prwqypoyrgos, den qa eixame tetoia apotelesmata, poy eixame sthn proxqesinh Synodo Koryfhs.

ANTYPAS: Ep' aytoy, epeidh eipate ``me bazete ston peirasmo na periaytologhsw''. Eseis, thn armodiothta gia to APE pote thn phrate;

PETALWTHS: Thn prohgoymenh ebdomada.

ANTYPAS: Exei ypografei to sxetiko diatagma;

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws. Endiafereste gia to APE;

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate nwritera to oti o k. Mpolarhs den exei parei armodiothtes, einai ena memonwmeno peristatiko. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, to oti oi megaloi organismoi den exoyn akoma dioikhseis;

PETALWTHS: Prwton, einai elaxistoi oi organismoi poy den exoyn nees dioikhseis. Kai deyteron, apo thn arxh eipame, oti jekinhsame diadikasies, poy einai kainotomes, diadikasies poy den eixan prohgoymeno, stis opoies akoma kai ean yparxei kapoia kaqysterhsh, einai sygxwrhtees oi opoies kaqysterhseis yparxoyn, giati akribws dhmioyrgoyn prohgoymena. Kai gia emas ayto einai to shmantiko. Einai pio shmantiko to na exoyme enan dioikhth organismoy, o opoios einai antikeimenikos, einai ajios, o opoios exei mia prosfora poy toy anagnwrizetai, en antiqesei me to ti ginotan sto parelqon, opoy h ekastote kybernhsh diorize se aytes tis qeseis me alla krithria. Alla to shmantikotero einai oti ginetai mia arxh. Mia arxh, wste epiteloys to ellhniko kratos na jekollhsei apo toys pelateiakoys tropoys me toys opoioys epelege ta anwtera kratika stelexh. Kai ayto einai to megalo ofelos, poy anagnwrizoyme emeis.

FOYRLHS: Qa moy epitrecete na parathrhsw pantws oti gia metra poy o idios o prwqypoyrgos anakoinwse, proswpika ta opoia o idios xarakthrise apolytws epeigonta kai gia ta opoia desmeythke oti qa ylopoihqoyn amesa, qa sas paw pisw ston Dekembrio kai qa sas ferw se kati poy endexomenws einai ths armodiothtas sas: Ta grafeia Typoy, gia paradeigma, sto ejwteriko, poy o prwqypoyrgos eixe anakoinwsei oti qa kleisoyn amesa, ta grafeia toy EOT...

PETALWTHS: Den eixe anakoinwsei oti qa kleisoyn. Eixe pei oti qa enswmatwqoyn stis presbeies.

FOYRLHS: Diorqwste me, alla nomizw oti den exei ginei tipota tetoio. Leitoyrgoyn ola kanonika opws htan.

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, se sxesh me ta grafeia Typoy Ejwterikoy, - epeidh diabazw kai kapoia dhmosieymata stis efhmerides - poy anhkoyn sthn armodiothta ths Genikhs Grammateias Epikoinwnias, einai mhxanismoi probolhs kai prowqhshs ths Elladas sto ejwteriko. Einai shmantikotatoi mhxanismoi kai organismoi kai den exoyn kamia sxesh me to pws paroysiazontai, dhladh me to na sygkentrwnoyn kai na syllegoyn kapoies plhrofories gia na tis steiloyn se emas. Ayto isxye paliotera. Xrhsimopoihqhkan ayta ta grafeia Typoy, apo thn kybernhsh ths ND, me ton xeirotero tropo. Kai afoy ginetai katagrafh, egw desmeyomai proswpika, oti qa ferw sth dhmosiothta, to ti egine me ayta ta grafeia Typoy. H enswmatwsh stis presbeies proxwrei, ypo thn ennoia oti hdh exoyme grafeia Typoy poy exoyn enswmatwqei stis presbeies gia logoys oikonomias, gia logoys xwrotajikoys. Giati emeis prospaqoyme kai petyxainoyme kai pio oysiastika na einai ayta ta grafeia Typoy kai na mhn einai toso polyejoda, opws htan mexri twra. To teleytaio paradeigma poy exw na sas anaferw einai to Tel Abib. Epipleon meletame thn anadiarqrwsh kapoiwn grafeiwn Typoy, poy einai aparaithth. Ayto pros epirrwsh twn isxyrismwn mas, oti emeis kanoyme doyleia kai se ayto ton tomea

FOYRLHS: Ta grafeia toy EOT;

PETALWTHS: Na ypenqymisoyme oti ta misa grafeia toy EOT kindyneyan me ejwsh, giati h kybernhsh ths ND frontise na mhn plhrwnei ta enoikia, poy eprepe na plhrwsoyme. Ta grafeia toy EOT anti na einai xwros diafhmishs kai probolhs ths Elladas sto ejwteriko, eginan xwroi ths megalyterhs dysfhmishs poy qa mporoysame na tyxoyme. Einai safes to oti ginetai anadiarqrwsh twn grafeiwn toy EOT sto ejwteriko kai ginetai mia syneth kai pio orqologistikh ekmetalleysh toys. Kai ayto fysika den ginetai apo th mera sthn allh. As mhn biazomaste na doyme megales allages, otan aytes oi allages xreiazontai baqos, prokeimenoy na exoyn kai oysia.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Gia na mhn trelaqoyme kiolas, den ton lypaste ton k. Mpolarh na gyrizei me adeioys xartofylakes kai na kanei ton ypoyrgo kai den einai prosbolh gia enan yfypoyrgo ths kybernhshs na toys symperiferetai etsi epi eji mhnes h ypoyrgos kai na mhn toy dinei armodiothtes; Ayto qelw na pw.

PETALWTHS: O k. Mpolarhs - o opoios tyxainei na einai kai proswpikos moy filos, kai isws to gnwrizete - den einai ajios lyphshs. O k. Mpolarhs stoys eji mhnes poy einai yfypoyrgos, epitelei ergo, aplws oi armodiothtes toy den exoyn kaqoristei ws pros to xwro ths Boreias Elladas. Brisketai kai sthn Aqhna kai th Qessalonikh. Kai epikoyrei me ton kalytero tropo to ergo ths ypoyrgoy Oikonomias.

GARGALAKOS: Qa hqela na staqw ligo sth frash poy eipate oti h xwra petyxe ayto poy zhtoyse kai ayto poy xreiazotan. Kai na sas rwthsw, epeidh shmera anoije biblio prosforwn gia ena eptaetes omologo: Ti prosdokate; Prosdokate apoklimakwsh, prosdokate ena epitokio katw apo to 6%; Giati ws twra diamorfwnetai ligo panw apo to 6%.

PETALWTHS: Den moy epitrepetai, kai den epitrepetai kai sthn kybernhsh shmera, dyo hmeres meta thn apofash, na milame gia ycos epitokioy, poy qa mas afhnei ikanopoihmenoys. Einai safes kai to jerame kai to eixame pei kai prin apo thn apofash ths Synodoy Koryfhs -alla to leme kai meta- oti den ginontai ola aytomatopoihmena. Oi agores leitoyrgoyn me enan sygkekrimeno tropo, katw apo sygkekrimenes synqhkes poy ephreazontai apo polles parametroys. Emeis ayto poy qelame apo th Synodo Koryfhs, to petyxame. Kai ayto htan h politikh sthrijh kai malista ejeidikeythke se enan sygkekrimeno mhxanismo, o opoios - as moy epitrapei h ekfrash, h opoia exei xrhsimopoihqei - einai mia ajiopisth apeilh pros osoys prospaqoyn na ekmetalleyqoyn to problhma ths ellhnikhs oikonomikhs krishs. Oi daneiakes mas anagkes einai gnwstes. Daneizomaste mesa apo ena makroxronio ergo, poy einai ergo mias h dyo hmerwn, qa doyme - kai eimaste sigoyroi gi ayto- oti ta epitokia qa pesoyn, oti qa ejomalynqoyn oi oroi kai oi synqhkes daneismoy. Kai ayto fysika einai pros to symferon toy Ellhna polith. Gnwrizoyme ti symbainei sthn agora, diereynoyme kai kanoyme me poly megalh prosoxh kai isorropia tis kinhseis daneismoy, poy epiballetai na ginoyn. Kai as mhn jexname oti o ellhnikos laos me ton daneismo ayto exei plhrwsei ekatontades ekatommyriwn eyrw, apo ayta poy den eixe. Kai ola ayta ofeilontai se ena terastio elleimma - kai monon- ajiopistias, to opoio eixame ws xwra kai prospaqoyme na anakthsoyme. Kai ayto to elleimma ajiopistias ofeiletai jekaqara sthn politikh ths ND.

STRATAKHS: Mias kai milame gia ton daneismo. Symfwnei h kybernhsh me thn taktikh toy proedroy diaxeirishs dhmosioy xreoys na proanaggellei thn Paraskeyh, oti qa bgoyme se daneismo ews to telos toy Martioy; Dhladh shmera;

MIXAHL: Symplhrwmatika, ean moy epitrepete o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn na bgainei kai na leei oti den jeroyme pote akribws qa ginei;

PETALWTHS: O ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn leei oti den exei lhfqei akoma apofash. Egw ayto poy mporw na sas bebaiwsw einai oti to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn se ola ta epipeda kai me ola ta stelexh toy, leitoyrgei me ton kalytero kai pio symferonta tropo gia th dhmosia oikonomia.

STRATAKHS: Synefere, dhladh, to ypoyrgeio na bgei thn Paraskeyh kai na proanaggeilei ton daneismo o proedros ths diaxeirishs;

PETALWTHS: Emmenw sth dhlwsh poy ekana. Kai epanalambanw: Anaferomai se ola ta stelexh toy.

MAKRYGIANNHS: O k. Xristodoyloy, epeidh milame gi ayton, prin ena mhna, otan anakoinwqhkan ta sklhra metra, ebgale amesws omologo...

PETALWTHS: Kai anagkaia metra.

MAKRYGIANNHS: ... kai anagkaia. Ebgale amesws omologo kai daneisthkame me 6,4%. Otan rwthqhke tote o k. Xristodoyloy, eixe pei oti eixame ypoxrewsh pros toys daneistes mas, toys opoioys o k. Papandreoy kai h kybernhsh apokalei synhqws tokoglyfoys bebaia otan daneizoyn me tetoio pososto. Na bgaloyme eixe pei ayto to omologo...

PETALWTHS: Den nomizw oti mporei na ennooyse oti exoyme ypoxrewsh na toys dwsoyme perissotera lefta kai na kerdoskophsoyn.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Eisaste ikanopoihmenoi apo to ergo toy k. Xristodoyloy kai thn diaxeirish poy kanei;

PETALWTHS: Nai. H kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh.

SPANOY: Exete eggyhseis oti h anasa poy doqhke stis ellhnikes trapezes apo ton k. Trise qa ajiopoihqei gia thn enisxysh ellhnikwn epixeirhsewn me problhmata reystothtas; H kybernhsh qetei tetoio qema stoys trapezites;

PETALWTHS: To trapeziko systhma kai h epibiwsh toy einai poly shmantiko ergaleio gia thn anaptyjh mias xwras, h opoia bazei kanones kai sto trapeziko systhma kai prostateyei ton aplo Ellhna katanalwth. Kai emeis, epeidh anagnwrizoyme th shmasia toy trapezikoy systhmatos, kai thn orqh leitoyrgia toy, opoy einai eyqynh ths politeias, fysika, me ta mesa kai ta ergaleia poy exei, wste na mhn afhnei tis trapezes na epiteloyn allon rolo apo ayton poy prepei na epiteloyn. Alla oi trapezes einai enas diaylos gia na yparxei xrhma kai reystothta sthn agora. Efoson, loipon, kataferoyme na exoyme aytes tis synqhkes, einai poly shmantiko to trapeziko systhma na epibiwsei kai na ejorqologistei me ton kalytero tropo, giati einai pros ofelos ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Apo ekei kai pera, einai ergo ths kybernhshs -kai qa to prajei- etsi wste oi trapezes na leitoyrgoyn me ton tropo poy prepei.

BASILOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, an moy epitrepete, dyo erwthseis. Oi trapezes phran peripoy 28 dis eyrw, me to idio skeptiko poy molis anaferate, apo ton k. Alogoskoyfh, apo thn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Me to idio skeptiko twra ejasfalizoyn fthno xrhma kai diaqetoyn akriba daneia. Qa hqela na moy peite poy synteloyn oi trapezes sth sygkekrimenh sygkyria gia th xwra kai an ypobohqoyn to ergo ths anaptyjhs mh dioxeteyontas ayta ta posa stis epixeirhseis.

PETALWTHS: Skopos mas einai na dioxeteytoyn ayta ta posa - kai yparxoyn kai asfalistikes dikleides sta oikonomika epiteleia - sthn agora kai ston katanalwth. Kai einai eynohto oti otan oi trapezes mporoyn, prwta apo ola na daneizontai - giati to shmantikotero einai na mporoyn na daneizontai me kales synqhkes tote kai o Ellhnas poliths qa mporei na daneizetai apo tis trapezes me kalyteres synqhkes. Ara me thn ejomalynsh ayths ths leitoyrgias to ofelos einai kai sto dhmosio symferon, alla kai ston aplo Ellhna polith.

BASILOPOYLOS: Hqela na sas rwthsw gia ton k. Xristodoyloy. Qa egkainiasei briefing o k. Xristodoyloy pros toys jenoys antapokrites h toys FINANCIAL TIMES gia na jeroyme na to parakoloyqoyme; Dioti, nomizw, einai poly sobarh ypoqesh to ti kanei h xwra, pws daneizetai, pote daneizetai gia na afhnetai se enan texnokrath , otan o idios o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn leei oti den yparxei kati panw se ayto.

PETALWTHS: Oti den yphrxe apofash, eipe o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn. Emena qa moy epitrecete na mh mpw se leptomereies, toylaxiston pros to paron. Ekeino, omws, poy mporw na pw - kai to ekana me thn prohgoymenh dhlwsh moy - einai oti kai to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn kai o Proedros toy ODDY k. Xristodoyloy ekteloyn ta kaqhkonta toys me ton kalytero tropo.

FOYRLHS: Na prosqesw mono, dieykrinistika , isws gia argotera. Qa qelame na gnwrizoyme an htan enhmeros o Prwqypoyrgos gia aytes tis dhlwseis poy eginan...

PETALWTHS: Emmenw sthn dhlwsh poy ekana.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: To prwi me radiofwnikes sas dhlwseis kathgorhsate ton epikefalhs ths koinoboyleytikhs omadas toy SYRIZA oti einai aneyqynos kai den jerei ti leei. To metaferw perifrastika. Ayto poy qa hqela na sas rwthsw einai an qewreite aneyqynes tis epishmanseis oti h kybernhtikh politikh odhgei se paratetamenh yfesh thn oikonomia kai mhpws anebazete toys tonoys, dioti enoxlhste apo thn kritikh oti h politikh poy efarmozete einai diaforetikh apo tis proeklogikes sas desmeyseis.

PETALWTHS: Oxi. Prwta ap ola anaferqhka stis epiloges toy k. Tsipra. Na exei ena sygkekrimeno politiko tono kai mia ekfrash otan kathgorhse to PASOK oti sygkyberna me ton k. Mhtsotakh kai ton k. Karatzaferh. Kai qymisa se ayth th radiofwnikh moy synenteyjh, oti den mporoyn aytoi, oi opoioi sygkybernhsan me ton k. Mhtsotakh kai me ton gnwsto tropo to 1989, na kathgoroyn emas oti sygkybername me ton k. Mhtsotakh epeidh etyxe o k. Mhtsotakhs gia toys dikoys toy logoys na kanei kapoia dhlwsh, thn opoia den exoyme kai ws prwto gnwmona. Kai na qymisoyme ston arxhgo ths rizospastikhs Aristeras - kai to eipa kai sth radiofwnikh moy synenteyjh kai gi ayto kalo qa einai na mhn apomonwnoyme kapoies fraseis - oti emeis perimenoyme apo ena dhmokratiko komma ths Aristeras mia diaforetikh antimetwpish, mia pio sobarh kai ypeyqynh politikh otan briskomaste se tetoia oikonomikh krish. Apajiwtikoi aforismoi oti sygkybernoyme me ton Mhtsotakh kai ton Karatzaferh - giati apajiwtika toys eipe o k. Tsipras - den mas aforoyn. Toys ta epistrefoyme. H Istoria einai poly prosfath gia na mporei o k. Tsipras, o opoios, an qymamai kala, symmeteixe, ektos an htan poly neos tote, se ayth th sygkybernhsh poy emeine kai qa meinei istorikh gia to paradojo ths, ta apotelesmata kai tis synepeies ths, sthn gnwsth sygkybernhsh toy SYNASPISMOY me thn kybernhsh toy k. Mhtsotakh.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Apla, egw sas rwthsa kai gia to an qewreite dikaiologhmenes tis epishmanseis oti oi kybernhtikes politikes odhgoyn se paratetamenh yfesh thn oikonomia kai ejantloyn tis antoxes ths koinwnias.

PETALWTHS: Emeis, gnwrizoyme para poly kala kai symmerizomaste kai thn agwnia kai isws mporoyme na thn ekfrasoyme me ton kalytero tropo, epeidh exoyme poly megalyterh synainesh apo ayth poy diaqetei o k. Tsipras. Gnwrizoyme ti shmainei shmera na yfistatai ola ayta ta barh o Ellhnas poliths kai malista o poliths, o opoios den exei kamia ofeilh, den exei kamia anameijh sth krish poy pername. Kai gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti xwris anaptyjh qa yparxei yfesh. Ara, eyxaristw gia thn eykairia poy moy dinete jana, na ypenqymisw ston k. Tsipra kai ston opoiodhpote poy askei ayth th kritikh, oti emeis kanontas mia sobarh kai ypeyqynh oikonomikh politikh, frontizoyme etsi wste ola ta barh na mh ta dexetai o aplos Ellhnas poliths kai fysika na mhn epelqei yfesh poy einai apo ta prwta melhmata mas.

MIXAHL: Exei parei diastaseis toso sthn Eyrwph kai sthn Amerikh, alla siga - siga kai sth xwra mas, mia nea anameijh germanikhs etairias se paranomes xrhmatodothseis gia na parei symbolaia. Yparxoyn sxetikes kataggelies kai anafores. H kybernhsh, sto plaisio ths diafaneias poy exei diakhryjei o Prwqypoyrgos, exei thn proqesh na ejetasei kai mesw ths Boylhs aytes tis kataggelies oytws wste na doyme se poioys afora, ti afora kai posh ektash exoyn parei;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh gnwrizei tis plhrofories stis opoies anafereste. Akomh einai dhmosiografikes plhrofories. Perimenoyme na erqoyn me epishmo tropo, etsi wste na doyme kai to dikastiko meros, poy einai, bebaia, ypoqesh kai armodiothta ths Dikaiosynhs - h opoia einai anejarthth - alla, kyriws, to dioikhtiko oson afora sto kratos. Kai elpizoyme oti qa yparxei kai h apaitoymenh syndromh kai se dikastiko, alla kai se dioikhtiko epipedo apo tis jenes xwres, opoy emplekontai aytes oi etairies, prokeimenoy na mhn afhsoyme tipote na brisketai sth skia kai na diereynhqei opoiadhpote kataggelia yparxei gia ``miza'' sto parelqon, etsi wste na mhn exoyme jana tetoioy eidoys problhmata, ta opoia antimetwpizoyme twra me to elleimma ajiopistias.

LASKARATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mas eipate nwritera oti eiste poly ikanopoihmenos apo toys ryqmoys me toys opoioys doyleyei h kybernhsh. Omws, emeis diabazoyme kai se shmerina dhmosieymata, oti ayrio skeftetai o Prwqypoyrgos na sygkalesei mexri kai atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, akribws gia na zhthsei epitaxynsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Ti apo ta dyo isxyei; Eiste ikanopoihmenoi, den eiste;

PETALWTHS: Ayto qa mporoysa na sas to apanthsw pio eyqews, an htan dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy h dikh moy h kapoioy ypoyrgoy. To oti ginetai, an ginei atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, einai akribws ayto poy deixnei to pws ergazetai h kybernhsh kai fysika o syntonismos kai o programmatismos mesa apo ta atypa Ypoyrgika Symboylia, einai akribws ayto to deigma, to opoio epoydeni eixe h Nea Dhmokratia. Exoyme kanei tosa Ypoyrgika Symboylia kai tosa atypa ypoyrgika kai toses syskeceis kaqhmerina poy kai eseis ws dhmosiografoi, alla kai osoi emplekomaste se ayta, pragmatika nomizw oti antimetwpizoyme problhma ws pros to na yparxei fortos ergasias. Alla, epeidh emeis eimaste diateqeimenoi na doylecoyme sklhra, ayth thn entolh exoyme, doyleyoyme me aytoys toys ryqmoys.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Ston Kyriakatiko Typo eidame kapoia dhmosieymata poy kanoyn logo gia emplokh toy SDOE sthn EYP. An alhqeyoyn kai ti caxnei.

PETALWTHS: Opws gnwrizete tetoioy eidoys energeies, ean yparxoyn, exoyn kai to aparaithto stoixeio toy na mhn anakoinwnontai. An yparxei qema anakoinwshs, qa thn kanw armodiws.

LIONAKHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mia erwthsh gia ton OTE qa hqela na sas kanw. O armodios koinotikos Epitropos k. Mparnie me dhlwseis toy eixe pei me kathgorhmatiko tropo oti h metabibash toy OTE sthn DEUTSCHE TELEKOM einai paranomos o tropos me ton opoio egine. Malista xarakthrise ws poly diastaltikh thn ermhneia poy edwse h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias sthn koinotikh odhgia gia na ejairesei ton OTE, apo thn ypoxrewsh ypobolhs dhmosias prosforas. Me dedomeno oti oi kyrioi Eyaggelos Benizelos kai Giwrgos Papakwnstantinoy eixan kataggeilei ayth th diadikasia ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs kai me dedomeno oti oi kyrioi Xoynths kai Lafazanhs kateqesan thn perasmenh ebdomada ypomnhma ston Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy, gia thn ypoqesh, h kybernhsh ti protiqetai na prajei ep' aytoy;

PETALWTHS: Einai ena shmantiko zhthma kai ws antipoliteysh eixame parei mia sygkekrimenh qesh. Einai logiko oti mas endiaferei h nomimothta, eidika tetoioy eidoys symbasewn, poy einai kai megales symbaseis, alla aptontai kai amesa toy eqnikoy symferontos. H kybernhsh meleta to olo zhthma.

Sas eyxaristw.

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