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Pempth, 4 Febroyarioy 2010

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 4 Febroyarioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

H kybernhsh einai apofasismenh na antapokriqei stis ychles apaithseis ths shmerinhs dysxeroys oikonomikhs sygkyrias. Einai apofasismenh na proxwrhsei se ekeines tis allages kai tomes poy qa mas epanaferoyn sto dromo ths proodoy, ths anaptyjhs kai ths eyhmerias. Oxhma mas kai sygkekrimenh strathgikh mas epilogh se ayth thn poreia einai h pisth thrhsh kai efarmogh toy Programmatos Staqerothtas, Anaptyjhs kai Anasygkrothshs poy xqes egkriqhke apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, alla kai ta nomosxedia gia th forologikh kai asfalistikh metarryqmish, kaqws kai thn eisodhmatikh politikh poy qa ejeidikeysoyn peraiterw tis ryqmiseis toy Programmatos Staqerothtas, alla kai ta metra poy ejhggeile o Prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos Papandreoy.

Me to programma ayto proxwroyme stis aparaithtes diarqrwtikes kai anaptyjiakes allages, poy qa bgaloyn th xwra apo to toynel ths krishs kai qa ejasfalisoyn th diafaneia kai thn ajiopistia twn oikonomikwn mas. Stis allages kai tis tomes ekeines poy den mporoyse h den hqele na proxwrhsei h prohgoymenh kybernhsh ta teleytaia eji xronia, dhmioyrgwntas etsi th shmerinh dyskolh oikonomikh katastash, poy mas anagkazei na paroyme dyskoles alla dystyxws anagkaies apofaseis. Apo edw kai pera, einai h wra na katalogistoyn kai oi eyqynes se osoys synebalan mexri twra se ayth thn katastash, alla kai na syneisferoyn aytoi oi opoioi den eisferoyn tosa xronia poy mporoyn kai prepei na eisferoyn.

Apodeiknyoyme th boylhsh kai thn apofasistikothta mas na baloyme th xwra se anaptyjiakh troxia, me mia seira prwtoboyliwn. Anaferw endeiktika thn kataqesh sth Boylh, mesa stis epomenes hmeres, toy nomosxedioy gia th ryqmish twn ofeilwn fysikwn proswpwn, me to opoio qa kaqierwnetai h dynatothta toy fysikoy proswpoy na ryqmizei kai stadiaka na apallassetai apo ta xreh toy. Prowqoyme th drastikh aploysteysh olwn twn diadikasiwn idryshs, adeiodothshs kai leitoyrgias twn epixeirhsewn, enw parallhla prowqeitai h dhmioyrgia ths ``yphresias mias stashs''. Einai anaptyjiakes wqhseis poy einai aparaithtes kai anagkaies gia na bgoyme apo thn krish kai thn yfesh. Proxwrame me stoxo thn ayjhsh twn dhmosiwn ependysewn, kaqws exoyme programmatisei ependyseis ycoys 10,3 disekatommyriwn eyrw to 2010, mesa ston proypologismo, kai anaqewrhsh kai apotelesmatikh efarmogh toy Koinotikoy Plaisioy Sthrijhs 2007-2013 gia thn anadiarqrwsh toy paragwgikoy istoy.

Stoxos mas to 2010 einai h aporrofhtikothta toy ESPA, apo 3,5% se panw apo 15% mesa se ena xrono. Yparxei, loipon, anaptyjiako sxedio gia na mpei h Ellada pali se troxia anaptyjhs. Endeiktika anefera mono kapoia apo ta metra poy prowqei h kybernhsh. Mporw na anaferqw, epishs, kai sthn anamorfwsh toy ependytikoy nomoy kai thn hlektronikh parakoloyqhsh sth diakinhsh toy farmakeytikoy ylikoy kai twn kaysimwn.

Emmenoyme, loipon, sto sxedio mas gia thn ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish kai thn anatajh ths oikonomias. To kostos opoiasdhpote kaqysterhshs sth lhch apofasewn einai pleon kostos eqniko kai h paroysa kybernhsh einai apofasismenh na mh xrewsei ton ellhniko lao peraiterw, me ena tetoio dysbastaxto kostos.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GIANNISHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti einai wra na katalogistoyn oi eyqynes kai meta na plhrwsoyn, bebaiws, aytoi poy prepei na eisferoyn k.o.k. Otan lete oti einai wra na katalogistoyn oi eyqynes, ennoeite oti eimaste ena bhma pio konta sto endexomeno mias Ejetastikhs twn pragmatwn Epitrophs gia thn kakodiaxeirish sthn oikonomia, apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Kakodiaxeirish, safws, kai yphrxe. Kai mono to oti stelname statistika stoixeia ta opoia den antapokrinontan sthn pragmatikothta kai exoyme ayto to terastio elleimma ajiopistias shmera kai dexomaste kai ayto ton kerdoskopiko polemo, alla kai th dyspistia  th dikaiologhmenh dyspistia- twn etairwn mas, shmainei oti safws kai h prohgoymenh kybernhsh den ergazotan me gnwmona to dhmosio symferon kai me katoxyrwsh toy genikoy kaloy. Apo ekei kai pera, exw pei epaneilhmmenws oti qema Ejetastikhs Epitrophs qa teqei mono ean h Boylh krinei kati tetoio. Hdh, opws einai gnwsto, to porisma exei katateqei sth Boylh apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn. O ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn k. Papakwnstantinoy eixe systhsei mia epitroph poy hdh to porisma ths to exei kataqesei sth Boylh. Apo ekei kai pera, einai qema ths Boylhs. Alla, qa prepei kapote oloi mas, osoi askoyme ena dhmosio leitoyrghma kai malista osoi kratame kai tis tyxes ths xwras sta xeria, na katanohsoyme oti den mporoyme na doyleyoyme xwris kanenan elegxo kai xwris kamia synepeia.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kleisate thn eisagwgikh sas dhlwsh, legontas oti emmenoyme sto sxedio mas kai oti apo ekei kai pera, to kostos kaqysterhshs qa einai kostos eqniko. Ayto den akoygetai ligo san proeidopoihsh, gia na mhn pw allo barytero xarakthrismo, pros tis koinwnikes omades, oi opoies prwton, antidroyn sta metra poy anakoinwse o Prwqypoyrgos, to dhlwnoyn kai qa aperghsoyn to epomeno diasthma kai deyteron, pros toys agrotes poy synexizoyn tis kinhtopoihseis toys edw kai peripoy 20 kai pleon hmeres.

PETALWTHS: Einai dikaiwma toy kaqenos na antidra se apofaseis ths Politeias. Emeis gnwrizoyme  kai to eipa kai sthn eisagwgh, alla to leme, kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos to exei pei- oti ayta ta metra ta opoia anagkasthkame na paroyme, einai metra poy den ta pairnoyme eyxaristws kai makari na briskomastan sth qesh poy na mh xreiazetai na ejaggeiloyme tetoioy eidoys apofaseis. Apo ekei kai pera, ayto poy prospaqoyme na kanoyme, einai na paroyme apofaseis oso to dynaton pio dikaies gia braxyproqesmh apodosh kai bebaiws, apofaseis oi opoies se pio makrino orizonta, apo to 2011 kai meta, qa mas bgaloyn apo ayth thn ejairetika dyskolh oikonomikh krish, poy pername ws xwra. Einai bebaia  kai epanalambanw gia allh mia fora- eyqynh toy kaqenos mas shmera, ths kaqemias epaggelmatikhs omadas, ths kaqe koinwnikhs tajhs kai omadas, na analogistoyme oti einai wra eyqynwn gia oloys mas kai oti qa prepei na syneisferoyme oloi mas  kai otan leme ``oloi mas'', to ennow, oloi mas- kai idiaitera ekeinoi poy mporoyn, alla kai poy prepei na syneisferoyn kai poy den syneisferoyn arketa xronia, etsi wste na bgoyme apo ayth thn krish. Kai ayto einai dedomeno.

Oson afora toys agrotes, ennoeitai oti -to exoyme pei kai to exoyme dhlwsei polles fores kai to dhlwnoyme kai gia allh mia fora shmera- epiteloys prepei na stamathsoyn aytes oi kinhtopoihseis. Kinhtopoihseis poy mas ekqetoyn se dieqnes epipedo kai se eyrwpaiko epipedo. Kinhtopoihseis oi opoies kostizoyn sth shmerinh sygkyria, otan anagkazomaste na paroyme dyskoles apofaseis gia to lao. Mas kostizoyn, san eqnikh oikonomia, para polla xrhmata kaqe mera.

MIXAHL: To gegonos oti oi ergazomenoi qewroyn oti ta metra poy anakoinwse o Prwqypoyrgos balloyn kyriws aytoys, ti qa eprepe na perimenoyme loipon apo tis forologikes apofaseis poy opws mas eipe o k. Papandreoy, qa yparjoyn thn epomenh ebdomada, etsi wste na peistei h koinwnia pws o,ti ejhggeile o k. Prwqypoyrgos einai men dysaresta, opws lete eseis, alla aytoi poy prepei qa plhrwsoyn, ara kai h koinwnia na pei oti ajizei na kanei th qysia ayth;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola prepei na ypenqymisoyme oti ayta poy ejhggeile o Prwqypoyrgos proxqes, htan kapoia symplhrwmatika metra sto Programma Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs kai stoys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei mesw ths forologikhs kai asfalistikhs politikhs thn opoia, oxi aplws diamorfwnoyme, alla janaqetoyme apo ta qemelia, me basikes arxes, tis opoies pisteyoyme. Ara, ayta ta metra htan symplhrwmatika metra, anagkaia, epwdyna, alla htan kaqara symplhrwmatika kai bebaiws proswrina. Apo ekei kai pera, ayto poy qa fanei sto mellon, einai h anaptyjiakh mas politikh, poy einai para poly shmantiko gia emas, giati xwris anaptyjiakh wqhsh kapoia metra mono den mporoyn na apodwsoyn. Mas endiaferei na yparxei anaptyjh kai gi` ayto anaferqhka kai stis prwtoboylies poy phrame kai stis prwtoboylies poy qa paroyme kai hdh briskontai se ejelijh. Mexri thn olomeleia ayths ths Boylhs, qa chfistei mia seira apo anaptyjiaka nomoqethmata poy qa dwsoyn wqhsh sthn anaptyjh kai sthn oikonomia. Kai bebaiws, mesa apo to forologiko kai apo to asfalistiko nomosxedio -idiaitera to forologiko nomosxedio- qa yparjoyn kai metra, etsi wste na plhrwsoyn aytoi poy prepei na plhrwsoyn kai exoyn bebaiws kai th dynatothta. Ara, o aplos poliths, o opoios shmera blepei oti ton qigoyn ayta ta metra, qa prepei safestata na exei thn epignwsh oti qa plhrwsoyn alloi poy den plhrwnan edw kai xronia, oi opoioi mporoyn kai prepei. Kai bebaia aytes oi qysies, tis opoies oytws h allws kaleitai na ypostei o aplos Ellhnas poliths, qa exoyn kai antapokrish, kaqws qa yparxei anaptyjh, symplhrwmatikh, poy gia mas einai para poly basiko.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes me apofash toy o Prwqypoyrgos anakoinwse mia Epitroph empeirognwmonwn, eidikwn, panepisthmiakwn kai apo alles xwres, mia Epitroph Sofwn, opws qa mporoysame na to poyme pio apla. Qelw na moy peite tis armodiothtes ths Epitrophs, an plhrwnontai kai apo poy plhrwnontai kai an ayto synista ena parallhlo dromo h akoma kai ``kapelo'', an qelete, sto oikonomiko epiteleio. Kai mia deyterh erwthsh: Sto forologiko nomosxedio akoygontai, yparxoyn plhrofories kai gia tis off shore etaireies. Poio einai ayto to magiko mystiko poy exei brei ayto to oikonomiko epiteleio ths kybernhshs, na mporesei na forologhsei, na eisprajei ta ofeilomena apo off shore etaireies poy den to exei brei h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph apo to 2005;

PETALWTHS: Qa jekinhsw apo th deyterh erwthsh sas gia tis off shore etaireies. Prwta ap` ola, qa ejeidikeyqoyn me to forologiko nomosxedio se liges hmeres. Ayto einai safes. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei kai qema politikhs boylhshs, ean aytes tis off shore etaireies eilikrina qeloyme na tis entopisoyme, qeloyme na tis forologhsoyme kai qeloyme na paysoyn oi off shore etaireies, oi opoies kata ta alla einai nomimes, na apoteloyn ena kelyfos, ena periblhma apofyghs ths forologias, edw mesa sth xwra mas. Ejalloy, as mhn jexname oti sthn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias yphrje kai koryfaios ypoyrgos, o opoios to dhlwse eyqarsws oti thn off shore etaireia poy eixe systhsei, th systhse gia forologikoys logoys. Fqasame se ayto to shmeio na yparxei, pleon, mia qrasythta anqrwpwn oi opoioi systhnoyn off shore etaireies gia forologikoys logoys. Einai, loipon, epibeblhmeno na doyme, prwton ti ginetai me aytes tis off shore etaireies kai deyteron einai safes oti to kratos diaqetei ekeinoys toys mhxanismoys, oi opoioi pragmatika mporoyn na syllaboyn th forologhtea ylh, na th diapistwsoyme kai na forologhqoyn aytoi poy prepei na forologhqoyn. As mhn jexname oti oi off shore etaireies mporei na einai systhmenes kai na leitoyrgoyn, ypotiqetai typika, se xwres ektos Elladas, alla synallassontai me epixeirhseis entos Elladas. Ara, to kratos poy qelei, h Politeia poy qelei, h kybernhsh h opoia epiqymei epiteloys na stamathsei ayth h forodiafygh mesw twn off shore etaireiwn, exei kai tis dynatothtes me diastayrwseis pragmatika na syllabei toys foroys poy den plhrwnontai sto ellhniko kratos. H ejeidikeysh, safws qa yparjei apo to forologiko nomosxedio. Egw sas ebala mia prwth idea, ena genikotero plaisio.

Oson afora se ayth thn Epitroph, thn opoia anakoinwse o Prwqypoyrgos, safws kai den einai ``kapelo'' gia kamia oikonomikh politikh, gia kamia kybernhsh, gia kanenan ypoyrgo. Exei sygkekrimenoys stoxoys. Na sas anaferw merikoys: Oi protaseis poy qa epejergastei h Epitroph ayth  nomizw oti einai sthn anakoinwsh poy exei bgei- aforoyn th domikh anamorfwsh twn yphresiwn toy grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy, thn allagh toy nomoqetikoy plaisioy gia th leitoyrgia ths kybernhshs sxetika me th dhmosia diaboyleysh, kwdika deontologias toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, o opoios den yparxei kai exoyme desmeyqei oti qa yparjei tetoios kwdikas deontologias, allagh toy Kanonismoy toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Eksygxronizoyme, loipon, oles tis leitoyrgies, etsi wste h kybernhsh, to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, to prwqypoyrgiko grafeio, na einai pio apodotiko, pio paragwgiko, pio artia stelexwmeno kai pio konta stoys stoxoys poy qetei mia kybernhsh.

Aytes einai kapoies apo tis protaseis poy qa ejeidikeysei. Den exoyn sxesh me thn oikonomikh politikh. Exoyn sxesh akomh kai me th diadikasia epiloghs se kratikes qeseis, mia diadikasia poy hdh emeis jekinhsame kai h opoia qa ejeidikeyqei kai qa yparjoyn kai kanones, prokeimenoy ayth h diadikasia na einai diarkhs, pagia kai bebaiws na einai kai pio dikaih.

Oson afora sthn erwthsh sas gia to an plhrwnontai, qa sas apanthsw oti den exei systaqei ayth h Epitroph, gia na sas apanthsw sygkekrimena.

BITALHS: Kat` arxhn, qelw na dwsoyme mia synexeia sthn erwthsh toy synadelfoy kai sthn apanthsh sas. Anaferqhke profanws o synadelfos kai apanthsate gia thn Epitroph twn dieqnwn empeirognwmonwn, h opoia leitoyrgei ypo ton k. Pampoykh. Ena pragma einai ayto, to jekaqarisate. Peite moy, omws, sas parakalw...

PETALWTHS: O k. Pampoykhs exei analabei to syntonismo.

BITALHS: Akribws, bebaiws einai ypo ton k. Pampoykh. Einai safes kai sth xqesinh anakoinwsh. Ara, to ena einai ayto. Yparxoyn, omws, kai ta ypoloipa. Gia paradeigma  tyxaia to onoma, qa mporoysa na dialejw opoiodhpote allo- o k. Polemarxakis poy analambanei epikefalhs toy oikonomikoy grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ti armodiothtes exei; Elegxei ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai thn ypoyrgo; Syntonizei ekeinos tis syskeceis toy oikonomikoy kykloy; To idio isxyei, profanws, kai gia mia seira apo toys ypoloipoys poy anakoinwqhkan xqes.

PETALWTHS: Aytoi einai qesmoi. O epikefalhs toy oikonomikoy grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai oloi osoi anakoinwqhkan, oi monades qematwn texnologias, oi opoies qa leitoyrghsoyn, kata analogia, opws leitoyrgei o epikefalhs toy diplwmatikoy grafeioy kai alloi qesmoi, oi opoioi leitoyrgoyn edw kai xronia, einai anejarthtos qesmos apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Qa exei sygkekrimeno rolo, qa kaqoristoyn oi armodiothtes. Den exei, omws, kamia sxesh me ``kapelwma'' toy oikonomikoy epiteleioy h me otidhpote allo akoygetai h fhmologeitai. Kai an anatrejoyme kai doyme kai ta biografika twn epikefalhs twn grafeiwn etsi opws anakoinwqhkan, einai safestato oti apoteloyn eggyhsh gia thn kalyterh leitoyrgia, thn kalyterh yposthrijh -giati aytos einai o skopos toys- toy prwqypoyrgikoy grafeioy kai malista se mia tetoia dyskolh epoxh.

BITALHS: An epitrepete, gia na teleiwsw, epeidh pragmatika anazhtate lefta kai fqasate sto shmeio na parete ayta poy lete eseis, dysaresta alla anagkaia, metra kai epeidh apo o,ti peripoy legetai einai 20 dis ayta poy caxnoyme, qelw na sas rwthsw epeidh peripoy exoyme mia ebdomada konta poy caxnoyme ta 5,5 dis ths Xrhmatisthriakhs ``Akropolh'', an exete kapoio epipleon stoixeio, an gia paradeigma eixe plhrwsei to 10% gia na prosfygei kai na yparjei ryqmish toy xreoys kai poy brisketai ayth h ypoqesh. Giati einai lefta poy leipoyn apo ton kratiko Proypologismo.

PETALWTHS: Efoson diapistwqei, qa yparjei anakoinwsh. Den qelw na mpw se perissoteres leptomereies. Einai ena zhthma gia to opoio prepei na milame me th deoysa sobarothta kai me th deoysa sobarothta to antimetwpizei h kybernhsh.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Mas eipate oti me ta metra poy anakoinwse h kybernhsh qa plhrwsoyn aytoi poy den plhrwnan tosa xronia. Me ta metra poy hdh exete anakoinwsei omws, plhrwnoyn aytoi poy plhrwnan tosa xronia, ergazomenoi kai syntajioyxoi. Me to kainoyrgio forologiko nomosxedio, skefteste sto na epiballete foroys stis trapezes kai stoys megaloys epixeirhmatikoys omiloys poy paroysiazoyn terastia kerdoforia;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, as mhn jexname oti to prwto bhma poy ekane ayth h kybernhsh htan, mesw toy epidomatos Koinwnikhs Allhleggyhs, na epiballei ektakth eisfora, poy egine gia prwth fora, se 300 apo tis megalyteres kerdofores epixeirhseis ths xwras mas kai ektakth eisfora kai sth megalh akinhth perioysia. Ara, mexri twra hdh exoyme kanei poly dikaies epiloges. Kai malista, stoxeymenes gia na pane ayta ta xrhmata, oxi xyma, as moy epitrapei h ekfrash, se ena kratiko korbana mesa ston kratiko Proypologismo, alla se sygkekrimenes paroxes gia thn elafrynsh 2,5 ekatommyriwn sympolitwn mas. Ara, oi stoxeyseis mas exoyn fanei apo thn prwth stigmh. Deyteron, ayta ta metra poy ejhggeile o Prwqypoyrgos einai men epwdyna, einai bebaiws anagkaia, alla prospaqoyme na ta exoyme se ena tetoio shmeio kai se tetoio epipedo, etsi wste na mh qigei h kaqhmerinothta, entona toylaxiston, toy aploy Ellhna polith. Prospaqwntas na paroyme dikaia metra fysika, giati aytos einai o gnwmonas mas, bebaiws, opws epanelaba shmera polles fores, ayto eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos shmera apo thn India oti qa plhrwsoyn aytoi poy prepei na plhrwsoyn. Metra enanti aytwn, oi opoioi exoyn kai th dynatothta kai thn ypoxrewsh na kataballoyn. Emeis exoyme dikaies stoxeyseis kai pros ayth thn kateyqynsh qa kinhqoyme. Fysika qa fanei kai sto forologiko nomosxedio.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Thn kerdoforia twn epixeirhsewn qa th forologhsete; Ta kerdh twn epixeirhsewn qa ta forologhsete h oxi;

PETALWTHS: Thn epomenh ebdomada poy qa exoyme forologiko nomosxedio, qa ejeidikeyqei.

POLYMEROS: Qa mas apokalycete ti perieixe h epistolh Gkroyefski pros ton Prwqypoyrgo kai an telikws exei oristei h qa oristei kapoia synanthsh twn dyo andrwn sto ameso mellon;

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos k. Giwrgos Papandreoy kai se thlefwnikh epikoinwnia poy eixe me ton k. Gkroyefski dexqhke na yparjei mia synanthsh. Mia synanthsh metajy omorwn xwrwn einai pantote shmantikh kai qetikh, anejarthta apo ta problhmata poy yparxoyn. Mia tetoia, omws, synanthsh qa oristei mesw ths diplwmatikhs odoy kai bebaiws xreiazetai kai poly proetoimasia, me o,ti shmainei ayto, prokeimenoy na pragmatopoihqei. Ayth htan kai h apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros ton k. Gkroyefski.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na sas rwthsw ean einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh apo th diaxeirish twn armodiwn yphresiwn kai thn politikh, se kaqe periptwsh, diaxeirishs sto xqesino symban, me enan stratiwth sthn Kalolimno kai thn anastatwsh poy dhmioyrghqhke th nyxta kai tis prwtes prwines wres gia th metafora toy, meta apo ektakth asqeneia toy stratiwth kai ton tropo poy metaferqhke. Kai epishs na symplhrwsw, poses fores prepei na ginei kakos syntonismos, giati yphrje kakos syntonismos, gia na katanohsoyme oti xreiazetai alloy eidoys diaxeirish se tetoioy eidoys lepta zhthmata.

PETALWTHS: Egw qa symfwnhsw kai symfwnei kai h kybernhsh oti yparxoyn xronies paqogeneies, eidika gia tetoia peristatika opws anaferontai, ta opoia safws, kai polles fores den ta xeirizontai kapoioi me ton kalytero tropo. Ayto omws einai idiaitero qema. Einai qema kata periptwsh, giati yparxoyn kai peristatika, ta opoia pragmatika ejyphretoyntai arista kai swzontai sympolites mas. Alla, oi ypodomes, safws kai den mas ikanopoioyn, etsi opws yparxoyn. Safws kai qa prepei na beltiwqoyn kai einai ena apo ta polla zhthmata, ta opoia h ellhnikh kybernhsh qa prepei na dei jana. Qeloyme na dhmioyrghqoyn ypodomes. Qeloyme na yparxei kalyteros syntonismos. Qeloyme na yparxei allo pneyma se tetoioy eidoys diaxeirish, kai bebaiws einai mesa stis proteraiothtes mas. Einai omws logiko oti mesa se treis mhnes den qa mporoysame na ta allajoyme ola ayta kai malista otan exoyme na kanoyme me poly shmantika zhthmata me th diaxeirish shmantikwn zhthmatwn. Alla tetoioy eidoys peristatika, safws kai qa prepei na exoyn kalyterh antimetwpish, kyriws, me kalyteres ypodomes.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Ayto apotelei kai ena ``mhnyma'' sthn politikh hgesia, as poyme toy Ypoyrgeioy Amynas h se osoys hgoyntai toy Limenikoy;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei qema mhnymatos. To Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas kanei mia ejairetikh doyleia se ola ta epipeda me poly megalh sobarothta kai ths antimetwpishs, alla kai th sobarothta twn zhthmatwn ta opoia diaxeirizetai. Oyte gia to Limeniko, to opoio gnwrizoyme pws leitoyrgei me ti stelexwsh, ti ypodomh kai ti synqhkes kai malista se mia xwra opws einai h Ellada, me tis idiaiterothtes ths kai to poly megalo pedio diaxeirishs zhthmatwn apo to Limeniko. Alla pantote yparxei periqwrio beltiwshs kai ayto prospaqoyme na kanoyme. Ayto prospaqei na kanei kai to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas se o,ti to afora. Kai bebaiws den yparxei qema mhnymatos.

MIXAHL: Eiste se qesh na mas dwsete kapoia stoixeia, ti shmainei ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos ``ayjhsh oriwn hlikias'' gia to Asfalistiko. Dhladh, pote qa eiste etoimoi na mas prosdiorisete akribws, ti shmainei ayto; Shmainei panw apo 65; Shmainei oti qa yparxoyn pleon orismena oria gia tis prowres syntajiodothseis; Qa shmainei bios ergasiakos synolika; Pote qa jeroyme kati;

PETALWTHS: Ayta qa ejeidikeytoyn mesa apo to asfalistiko nomosxedio. O Prwqypoyrgos edwse mia genikh kateyqynsh kai malista th synedese me thn ayjhsh toy prosdokimoy xronoy zwhs. Ara, qa prepei na doyme jana ta oria hlikias. Kati poy symbainei, bebaia, kai se polles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Qa yparxei omws ejeidikeysh kai as mhn jexname oti o dialogos gia to asfalistiko nomosxedio, hdh exei mpei sth deyterh fash, opoy, afoy teleiwsan ta xrhmatodotika, syzhtoyntai oi domikes allages toy asfalistikoy mas systhmatos. Kai mesa apo ayth th diadikasia, qa yparxoyn protaseis, qa yparxoyn apofaseis, qa yparxei asfalistiko nomosxedio, sto opoio qa ejeidikeyontai ola ayta.

MIXAHL: To gegonos oti h GSEE aposyretai apo ton dialogo kai oi koinwnikes organwseis den qeloyn kamia tetoia allagh, sas problhmatizei; Kai tis antidraseis pws qa tis antimetwpisete;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, oson afora th GSEE, emeis den exoyme epishmh plhroforhsh oti aposyretai apo ton dialogo. Yparxei ayth h fhmh. Mexri stigmhs den yparxei epishmh enhmerwsh ths GSEE. Apo ekei kai pera isxyei ayto poy eipa kai prohgoymenws  kai to exei pei kai o Prwqypoyrgos  oti einai wra na analogistoyme oloi ta barh kai oloi tis eyqynes mas.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Xqes, koryfaioi ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs, metajy aytwn kai o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Ragkoyshs, ekanan logo, eipan oti ta metra htan anagkaia gia th diasfalish ths eqnikhs kyriarxias. Apo poion kindyneyei h eqnikh kyriarxia;

PETALWTHS: Exoyme pei epaneilhmmenws, oti otan mia xwra, opws einai h Ellada, brisketai se toso dyskolh stigmh, eidika oikonomika, einai dektikh kai pollwn piesewn, einai dektikh enos kerdoskopikoy polemoy. Kai yp ayth thn ennoia polles apo tis epiloges poy qelame na exoyme ws kybernhsh - kai opoiadhpote kybernhsh  periorizontai. Kai yp ayth thn ennoia etsi opws eixe ftasei h xwra mas to teleytaio xroniko diasthma, pragmatika etiqeto zhthma - fysika ypo thn eyreia ennoia kai kyriws logw ths asxhmhs oikonomikhs katastashs  eqnikhs kyriarxias. To exei ejhghsei kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Poioi thn epiboyleyontai thn eqnikh kyriarxia;

PETALWTHS: Sas enhmerwsa kai allh fora. Sas ejhghsa kai allh fora kai prohgoymenws, ti ennooyme otan leme qema eqnikhs kyriarxias.

QEODWROPOYLOS: H Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, oi agores;

PETALWTHS: Se oloys aytoys poy dwsame to dikaiwma na mas piezoyn shmera kai na mhn mporoyme na askhsoyme mia politikh, etsi opws th qeloyme.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Mesa se ayto to forologiko nomosxedio, - sto baqmo poy gnwrizete, giati safws tis leptomereies qa tis doyme otan qa katateqei - gia na einai dikaio apenanti stoys xamhlomisqoys kai ta mikra eisodhmata, mhpws h kybernhsh exei kati na mas pei shmera, prokatabolika dhladh, gia ayjhsh toy aforologhtoy orioy;

PETALWTHS: Peraiterw leptomereies den mporoyme na poyme. Einai akoma sth syzhthsh, qa dieykrinistoyn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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