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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 3 Febroyarioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 249682918

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 3 Febroyarioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Oi lanqasmenes politikes, h arnhsh ths pragmatikothtas mprosta sto politiko kostos, h atolmia kai anablhtikothta twn teleytaiwn etwn, odhghsan th xwra mas sth shmerinh oikonomikh katastash. H apwleia kaqe ajiopistias ths xwras mas dieqnws dhmioyrghse megales pieseis apo tis dieqneis agores kai katesthse thn Ellada ton eykolo stoxo ths dieqnoys kerdoskopias. O Prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos Papandreoy kai sysswmh h kybernhsh katebale kai kataballei diarkws, kaqe dynath prospaqeia, afenos na anakthsei h xwra th dieqnh ths ajiopistia kai afeteroy me ena ajiopisto kai dikaio Programma Staqerothtas na ejelqei apo th shmerinh katastash ths abebaiothtas kai ths krishs.

Bazoyme telos stis proklhtikes spatales toy dhmosioy. Kleinoyme ta paraqyrakia forodiafyghs kai foroapallaghs twn exontwn kai katexontwn, katastaseis poy diaxronika ejorgizoyn toys synepeis forologoymenoys. Apaiteitai, omws, kai koinh prospaqeia apo oloys toys Ellhnes, me dikaio kata to dynato, katamerismo twn barwn. Oi stigmes poy biwnoyme apaitoyn ap` oloys ypeyqynothta, synaisqhsh ths eyqynhs, syllogikh drash, koinwnikh synepeia kai th dhmioyrgia mias syneidhshs ths koinhs prospaqeias poy prepei oloi na katabaloyme mprosta stis piqanes epiptwseis mias prwtofanoys oikonomikhs katastashs.

Mesa se kaqe baqia krish, omws, opws exei epaneilhmmena tonisei o Prwqypoyrgos, krybetai kai mia eykairia. Eimaste sigoyroi pws ap` ayth th dokimasia, oi Ellhnes polites kai h Ellada qa bgoyn isxyroteroi, exontas apallagei mia gia panta apo tis paqogeneies kai tis agkylwseis toy dhmosioy, alla kai toy idiwtikoy tomea, exontas allajei tis paragwgikes ths domes kai to dioikhtiko ths montelo.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Ta osa ejhggeile xqes o Prwqypoyrgos, den qa mporoyse na ta pei proeklogika, h estw mia h dyo hmeres meta apo tis ekloges, afoy eixate sta xeria sas akribws thn katastash ths oikonomias apo toys armodioys foreis. Giati ta lete twra dhladh;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, opws einai gnwsto, ws kybernhsh toy PASOK, paralabame mia oikonomia sthn katastash ayth poy gnwrizoyme shmera. Ena kratos me tis xronies paqogeneies kai agkylwseis. Alla kai ena kratos etsi opws pragmatika to katanthse h diakybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, pelateiako, kommatiko, antiparagwgiko, me apotelesma na mhn mporoyme eykola na prosdiorisoyme toys stoxoys toys opoioys qa eprepe na baloyme mprosta se mia nea katastash kai bebaiws, prospaqwntas na eimaste kai synepeis stis proeklogikes mas desmeyseis. Desmeyseis oi opoies exoyn amesh sxesh me tis ajies mas, me thn ideologia mas kai me thn politikh mas. Mera me thn hmera, anakalyptame kai anakalyptoyme oti logw ths paqogeneias ayths poy mas klhrodothse h Nea Dhmokratia, giname kai ginomaste eykolos stoxos, ws adynamos krikos ths dieqnoys kerdoskopias. Synepws, pera apo to Programma Staqerothtas poy einai to basiko qemelio panw sto opoio sthrizoyme thn anatajh ths oikonomias mas, thn epistrofh sth sobarothta, thn egkyrothta kai thn ajiopistia, eixame pei  kai den to eipame xqes gia prwth fora- oti opoy apaithqei qa yparxoyn symplhrwmatika metra. Kai epeidh ayta krinontai mera me thn hmera, aytes oi ajiologhseis ginontai mera me thn hmera, den yphrxe periptwsh na ginoyn, opws eipate prin tis ekloges, otan mas paroysiazotan mia diaforetikh katastash, anejarthta an ypopteyomastan sto peripoy ti ginetai, alla kai meta tis ekloges otan eprepe na prowqhsoyme sobares apofaseis, opws einai to Programma Staqerothtas kai apo ekei kai pera, an xreiazotan, na paroyme symplhrwmatika metra. Kai ayth thn taktikh efarmozoyme. Ayto kaname.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mhpws oi xqesines ejaggelies toy Prwqypoyrgoy htan tropon tina ena basiko proapaitoymeno gia na doqei shmera to prasino fws apo thn KOMISION gia to Programma Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs, to Kollegio twn Epitropwn ennow.

PETALWTHS: To Programma Staqerothtas, Anaptyjhs kai Anasygkrothshs einai ena sxedio, einai ena programma melethmeno katartismeno -to opoio para to ligo xroniko diasthma poy eixame sth diaqesh mas, alla kai thn poly dyskolh oikonomikh sygkyria poy allazei mera me thn hmera kai thn opoia parakoloyqoyme oloi mas-einai pragmatika, epanalambanw, to qemelio gia na bgoyme apo ayth thn krish kai to qemelio ajiopistias mas. Apo ekei kai pera, ayto to programma emeis to kataqesame, me enallaktika sxedia, me enallaktikes lyseis, mesa apo mia poly sobarh kai melethmenh doyleia. Ayta ta metra, omws, eprepe na ta paroyme symplhrwmatika, etsi opws ta phrame. Shmera doqhke to prasino fws apo to Kollegio twn Epitropwn kai malista me mia sobarh kai qetikh anafora sto Programma Staqerothtas. Kai me ayto ton tropo proxwrame. Ayta ta metra, apla, einai symplhrwmatika.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, paralambanontas ena elleimma 12,7% sas rwtw to ejhs: Ean h kybernhsh eixe diablecei toys kindynoys kai eixe anakoinwsei poly nwritera, apo ton Oktwbrio, to Noembrio isws, ayta ta metra, qa eixe apofeyxqei to kerdoskopiko paixnidi se baros ths xwras mas kai kat` epektash qa eixame apofygei aytoys toys epaxqeis oroys daneismoy, poy prosqetoyn nea barh kai ayjanoyn to xreos kai ta elleimmata;

PETALWTHS: To baros twn kerdoskopikwn paixnidiwn, to opoio plhrwnei se telikh analysh o ellhnikos laos, ofeiletai jekaqara sthn oikonomikh katastash thn opoia paralabame, sthn oikonomikh katastash sthn opoia brisketai h Ellada ta teleytaia xronia, me apokoryfwma to teleytaio xroniko diasthma ths diakybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias. Apo ekei kai pera, oles oi kinhseis tis opoies ekane h ellhnikh kybernhsh kai to oikonomiko ths epiteleio, einai kinhseis melethmenes, stoxoqethmenes kai ston katallhlo xrono. Makari na mporoysan na yparxoyn aytes oi syntages kai na poyme apo thn arxh oti qa kanoyme ayto kai qa teleiwsoyn. Eimaste, omws, o adynamos krikos. To exoyme pei polles fores, to epanalambanoyme kai oso qa eimaste o adynamos krikos mias alysidas, toso qa ginomaste stoxos kerdoskopikwn paixnidiwn. Ta kerdoskopika paixnidia den allazoyn apo mia ejaggelia, alla mesa apo staqerh politikh, mesa apo taktikh kai apo sygkekrimena metra. Kai to Programma Staqerothtas to opoio kataqesame sthn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph einai, akribws, ena apo ta ergaleia poy mas profylassei, oso einai dynaton bebaia, apo tetoioy eidoys paixnidia eis baros mas.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ara, den eixate diablecei ayton ton kindyno kai afhsate th xwra na antimetwpisei ayto to kerdoskopiko paixnidi, me o,ti synepagetai ayto.

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw oti to kerdoskopiko paixnidi ofeiletai sto oti briskomaste ws adynamos krikos sth gnwsth alysida. Apo ekei kai pera, ola ayta poy kanoyme hmera me thn hmera einai gia na prostateysoyme oso mporoyme th xwra mas kai toys Ellhnes polites.

XASAPOPOYLOS: H episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Ntabos kai oi synanthseis poy eixe poso barynan sto na parei twra tis apofaseis aytes;

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, opws gnwrizete, kanei synanthseis me oikonomikoys paragontes kai oikonomikoys analytes kai syzhthseis, akomh kai thlefwnikes, me politikoys paragontes oi opoioi diamorfwnoyn to politiko kai to oikonomiko gignesqai. Kai bebaia, oles aytes oi syzhthseis lambanontai ypoch, etsi wste h Ellada na lambanei metra, na lambanei apofaseis kai na isxyropoieitai akomh perissotero.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Sygnwmh, sas lew gia tis syzhthseis poy eixe sto Ntabos. Giati gyrise thn Paraskeyh to brady, jhmerwmata toy Sabbatoy kai thn Kyriakh ekane syskech. Htan kaqoristikes oi synanthseis poy eixe sto Ntabos o Prwqypoyrgos gia na parei ayth thn apofash;

PETALWTHS: Kaqoristikes einai oles oi synanthseis kai oles oi epikoinwnies poy exei, mias kai gnwrizoyme oti  eytyxws gia mas- o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos einai dektos sto eyrwpaiko kai sto dieqnes politiko kai oikonomiko epipedo. Kai bebaia, ola ayta synteloyn sto na yparxei mia diamorfwmenh apoch kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, alla kai apo thn kybernhsh kai na lambanontai oi apofaseis kai ta metra ston katallhlo xrono.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Efoson eixe katastalajei o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh to ti metra qa parei kai opws eipate einai melethmena, giati den ta eipate stoys politikoys arxhgoys;

PETALWTHS: Me toys politikoys arxhgoys yphrje epafh. Yphrjan synomilies metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai twn politikwn arxhgwn. Yphrxe ena geniko plaisio synaineshs to opoio eprepe na teqei kai etsi egine. Kapoia metra poy eprepe na ejaggelqoyn, ejaggelqhkan ston katallhlo xrono.

MOYRELATOS: Otan lete ``geniko plaisio synaineshs'' to opoio ws symperasma ejagetai apo tis xqesines epafes toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys politikoys arxhgoys, ennooyme oti qa prepei na perimenoyme ston epomeno mhna ena katalagiasmo twn koinwnikwn antidrasewn kai kinhtopoihsewn h o Prwqypoyrgos den ejasfalise xqes th synainesh poy hqele kai ws ek toytoy phgainoyme opws to gnwrizame me tis programmatismenes genikes apergies twn epomenwn hmerwn;

PETALWTHS: Den nomizw oti yparxoyn genikes apergies. Yparxoyn programmatismenes apergies epaggelmatikwn tajewn kai omadwn, oi opoies qewroyn oti qigontai apo kapoia metra, kati to opoio einai synhqes sthn ellhnikh pragmatikothta. Emeis eimaste apofasismenoi na xarajoyme to dromo mas. Eimaste apofasismenoi na ylopoihsoyme -kai einai eqnika epibeblhmeno se ayth thn katastash poy briskomaste- to Programma Staqerothtas. Kai ta symplhrwmatika metra poy lambanoyme, eimaste anagkasmenoi na to kanoyme ws kybernhsh. Kai mono etsi mporoyme na bgoyme ap` ayth thn poly megalh oikonomikh krish poy dierxetai h xwra mas.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos anakoinwse oti qa ayjhqoyn ta oria syntajiodothshs. Qa pane sta 67 xronia, sta 68, sta 70; Yparxei kapoia skech sto kybernhtiko epiteleio;

PETALWTHS: Ta oria hlikias qa ejeidikeytoyn mesa apo th syzhthsh kai to dialogo gia to asfalistiko systhma. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe ayto poy ginetai kai se olh thn Eyrwph, oti kai me bash ths ayjhshs toy prosdokimoy xronoy zwhs, alla kai me thn oikonomikh katastash sthn opoia briskomaste, ws xwra, alla kai ws Eyrwph genikotera, pantoy ta oria hlikias exoyn ayjhqei. Qa ejeidikeytoyn mesa apo th syzhthsh gia to Asfalistiko.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Sas rwtw, giati o nomos Petralia ths Neas Dhmokratias anebazei ta oria syntajiodothshs sta 68. O Prwqypoyrgos xqes eipe oti qa ayjhqoyn. Qa ayjhqoyn kai panw apo ta 68;

PETALWTHS: Emeis syzhtame stis baseis poy exoyme kai den syzhtame me bash ta 68 xronia.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite. Lete oti qa ejeidikeytoyn mesa apo to dialogo. O dialogos, thn allh ebdomada, katelhge se ena symperasma kai twra mpainoyn nea dedomena. Dhladh, pws h kybernhsh sebetai to dialogo; Jekinaei ena dialogo me ta syndikalistika organa, me tis syndikalistikes organwseis kai jafnika anaggelloyme kati allo.

PETALWTHS: O dialogos einai dialogos kai mesa sto dialogo tiqentai kai protaseis kai twn koinwnikwn forewn kai twn koinwnikwn etairwn, alla kai protaseis ths kybernhshs. Kai o dialogos ginetai se sygkekrimeno plaisio. Se ayto to sygkekrimeno plaisio, loipon, qa perilhfqei kai h apofash poy anakoinwse xqes o Prwqypoyrgos. H kybernhsh einai ayth poy apofasizei. Ayto einai safes.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Den einai aifnidiasmos, omws, o dialogos aytos, jafnika na erxeste otan exei oloklhrwqei enas dialogos kai exei fqasei se ena shmeio na bazete alla dedomena;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den exei oloklhrwqei o dialogos. O dialogos gia to Asfalistiko exei dyo faseis: Prwton, to xrhmatodotiko plaisio poy ayto exei oloklhrwqei kai sth deyterh fash pername stis domikes allages. O dialogos twn domikwn allagwn exei jekinhsei twra kai qa synexistei. Briskomaste akomh sthn arxh ths deyterhs fashs kai se ayth th fash, bebaia, qa mpoyn kai oi ryqmiseis poy anakoinwse o Prwqypoyrgos. Kai kati akomh, poy einai poly sygkekrimeno kai me prwtarxikh shmasia: Makari na briskomastan se ayth th qesh poy na mhn anagkazomastan na pairnoyme tetoioy eidoys apofaseis. Ayto einai dedomeno.

STRATAKHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes o Prwqypoyrgos anakoinwse to ``pagwma'' twn proslhcewn (den akoygetai) meteklogikws eixe pei oi proslhceis se Ygeia kai Paideia;

PETALWTHS: Gnwrizoyme poly kala oti oi tomeis ths Ygeias, ths Paideias, ths Amynas kai ths Asfaleias einai basikhs proteraiothtas gia emas, alla kai gia th xwra genikotera. Ara, qa yparxei ekei eidikh ryqmish, eidikh problech gia th stelexwsh aytwn twn tomewn. Ejalloy, ston tomea ths Ygeias, hdh exei anakoinwqei h proslhch noshleytwn. Kai bebaiws, o Prwqypoyrgos xqes eipe sygkekrimena oti opws exoyme desmeyqei kai anakoinwsei anastelloyme tis proslhceis, ara epanelabe mia sygkekrimenh dhlwsh thn opoia eixame kanei.

STRATAKHS: Mas eipate kai prin apo ligo oti kaqhmerinws anakalyptete nea stoixeia poy synqetoyn thn eikona ths oikonomias. Einai se qesh, shmera, h kybernhsh na mas pei poso akribws einai to elleimma se apolyta noymera;

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai qema toy oikonomikoy epiteleioy. Otan yparxei kai an yparjei tetoia erwthsh, mporoyme na th dieykrinisoyme, efoson bebaia einai kai texnika efikto.

MPEQANH: Hqela na sas rwthsw kai apo ta symplhrwmatika, opws eipate, metra, exei ypologistei to apotelesma poy qa exoyn; Ti xrhmata qa ferei, dhladh, sta Tameia toy kratoys, an qa yparjei apotelesma sth meiwsh toy elleimmatos h phgainete me to skeptiko, na symmazecoyme o,ti mporoyme, na kanoyme o,ti mporoyme kai meta an xreiastei kai doyme oti den kataferame toys stoxoys poy qesame, tote endexomenws na pame se pio drastikes lyseis, na exoyme kai nea metra;

PETALWTHS: Safws kai yparxei kostologhsh twn metrwn aytwn. Einai safes oti sthn katastash poy briskomaste einai aparaithto, kostologhmena kai poly sygkekrimena, na lambanoyme apofaseis kai ayto kanei h kybernhsh. Apo ekei kai pera, emeis synektimoyme ola ta stoixeia kai pairnoyme tis apofaseis kai ta metra otan kai efoson xreiazontai.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos kai proeklogika kai meteklogika mexri prosfata, desmeyotan oti den qa qigoyn oi xamhlomisqoi, alla kai ta mikromesaia eisodhmata genika den qa qixtoyn. Blepoyme twra oti me tis apofaseis poy parqhkan, qigontai telika ayta ta eisodhmata. Mhpws ypokycame sthn adhfaga boylhsh twn agorwn telika;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, oi agores einai mia pragmatikothta. Safws kai den ypokycame sthn adhfaga boylhsh twn agorwn. Den mporoyme, omws, na arnhqoyme thn pragmatikothta twn agorwn. Giati ta kerdoskopika paixnidia kapoiwn, oi opoioi symmetexoyn se aytes tis agores, exoyn amesh kai kaqhmerinh epiptwsh sta oikonomika toy aploy Ellhna polith, o opoios den mporei na shkwsei ayta ta barh. Ara, synypologizoyme kai to ti ginetai me tis agores. Dhladh, einai safes oti kapoia mhnymata qa prepei na perasoyme kai stis agores. Gi` ayto akribws kai kaqe hmera asxoloymaste kai asxoleitai kai o Typos kai poly perissotero h kybernhsh me to poy kymainontai ta spreads, giati exoyn amesh epiptwsh sthn kaqhmerinothta mas. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, den mporoyme na parablecoyme oti protoy milhsoyme gia misqoys kai gia oria hlikias syntajiodothshs, emeis milhsame gia off shore etaireies, gia forologhsh merismatwn kai mia seira apo polla metra poy ejhggeile xqes o Prwqypoyrgos, protoy fqasei stoys misqwtoys. Ayto den prepei na to jexname. Gi` ayto legame kai leme oti oles oi apofaseis mas kai ta metra akoma poy qa anagkastoyme na paroyme, qa einai oyte hpia, oyte sklhra. Qa einai dikaia ypo thn ennoia oti qa einai stoxeymena, etsi wste na qigoyn kata to ligotero dynaton toys aploys Ellhnes polites. Eimaste, omws, se mia fash kai se mia oikonomikh sygkyria poy anagkastika qa prepei na symmetexoyme oloi se ayta ta barh, analoga bebaia o kaqenas me tis dynatothtes toy.

GARGALAKOS: Fws sthn akrh toy toynel yparxei; O Prwqypoyrgos xqes periegrace thn katastash. Eipe gia ta ektakta metra. Qigontai kai oi laikes tajeis apo ayta ta metra. Fws gi` aytes tis tajeis gia anaplhrwsh twn xamenwn eisodhmatwn toys kapoy, se baqos xronoy, yparxei;

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws yparxei kai emeis eimaste aytoi poy dinoyme aisiodojia kai elpida ston aplo Ellhna polith, ston ellhniko lao. Gi` ayto akribws anagkazomaste kai lambanoyme kai kapoia metra kai kapoies apofaseis, oi opoies mporei men na einai epwdynes, alla einai aytes poy qa wfelhsoyn sto telos ton Ellhna polith, mias kai qa bgoyme apo ayth thn krish, h opoia pragmatika, ean den deixname th sobarothta poy deixnoyme ws kybernhsh, den qa gnwrizame poy qa mporoyse na mas odhghsei.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos kai eseis apo edw oti qa kanei h kybernhsh o,ti prepei gia na antimetwpisei th dyskolh katastash poy exei paralabei kai diaxeirizetai, toys kindynoys k.t.l. Ayth h dhlwsh isxyei kai shmera; Dhladh, shmera nomizw einai Tetarth 3 Febroyarioy kai meta thn anakoinwsh...

PETALWTHS: Isxyei h dhlwsh, opws thn eipate prin. H kybernhsh einai mia sobarh kybernhsh. Einai mia kybernhsh poy ergazetai. Einai mia kybernhsh poy diaboyleyetai. Einai mia kybernhsh poy syzhta isotima akomh kai me dieqneis paragontes. Gia na symplhrwsoyme to elleimma ths ajiopistias mas, na to anaplhrwsoyme, bebaiws kanei kai qa kanei o,ti prepei, me dedomenh thn katastash thn opoia paralabame, me dedomenh thn katastash sthn opoia zoyme. Ayto einai safes kai gi` ayto akribws apanthsa kai prohgoymenws se synadelfo sas oti eimaste pepeismenoi oti me aytes tis apofaseis, me ayth thn taktikh poy xarassoyme, alla kai me th strathgikh mas, qa bgoyme apo thn krish gia na dwsoyme elpida kai aisiodojia ston ellhniko.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na epimeinw sto erwthma toy synadelfoy. Ayth h taktikh poy akoloyqeite periexei kai allo paketo metrwn;

PETALWTHS: Emeis eipame, to dhlwsame kai to dhlwnoyme: H megalh mas apofash, ws pros thn antimetwpish ths krishs, einai to Programma Staqerothtas, Anasygkrothshs kai Anaptyjhs kai to forologiko asfalistiko nomosxedio, fysika dyo diaforetika, ta opoia erxontai. Kai to exoyme pei edw kai poly kairo: Ean xreiastei qa paroyme symplhrwmatika metra. H kybernhsh, prosblepontas sthn ejodo apo thn krish kai synektimwntas oles tis katastaseis, proebh stis xqesines apofaseis. Ayta einai ta symplhrwmatika metra ta opoia legame.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Ayta ta symplhrwmatika metra einai to legomeno ``sxedio B'', to opoio edw kai kairo arneiste oti yparxei;

PETALWTHS: Ma kai twra to arnoymaste. To sxedio mas einai ena. To exoyme dhlwsei kai to dhlwnoyme. Basizomaste sto Programma Staqerothtas kai se o,ti afora sthn allagh toy forologikoy kai asfalistikoy systhmatos pisteyame kai pisteyoyme oti mono me aytes tis megales allages mporei na pame mprosta, me tis baqies kai rizikes allages. Alla pros to paron kai to dieykrinise kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos xqes, oti epeidh oi megales apofaseis kai ta megala kai ta baqia rizika metra qa arxisoyn na apodidoyn ta perissotera to 2011, anagkastika gia to 2010 pairnoyme metra proswrinoy xarakthra, ta opoia nai men einai epwdyna, alla einai proswrina. Gi` ayto leme oti yparxei ena sxedio. Ayto xarajame kai ayto akoloyqoyme.

TZANETATOS: Yparxei anhsyxia sthn kybernhsh meta tis xqesines ejaggelies toy Prwqypoyrgoy, mhpws emfanistoyn antidraseis akomh kai apo to eswteriko toy PASOK; Kai an yparxei kapoia kokkinh grammh se aytes.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, prin thn anakoinwsh twn apofasewn kai prin apo tis dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, eixan enhmerwqei ola ta melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Emeis gnwrizoyme oti h katastash einai dyskolh. Gnwrizoyme oti qa dysaresthsoyme kai toys aploys polites. Gnwrizoyme oti yparxoyn kai diaforetikes proseggiseis. To qema einai oti ayth th stigmh exoyme ena stoxo kai ena kaqhkon: Na bgaloyme th xwra apo thn krish, na th bgaloyme apo th dinh twn kerdoskopwn, oi opoioi ekmetalleyontai akribws ayth thn asxhmh kai adynamh oikonomikh mas katastash. Kai ayto kanoyme.

STRATAKHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mhpws olo ayto to jeperasma ths krishs kai h prospaqeia na jefygoyme apo ta nyxia twn kerdoskopwn, poy leei syxna-pykna h kybernhsh to teleytaio diasthma, odhgei thn kybernhsh na mpei mprosta para ta antiqetws qryloymena, oson afora to eyrwomologo; Yparxei periptwsh na doyme na jediplwnetai mia tetoia prospaqeia ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: Emeis efarmozoyme tis politikes poy apofasizoyme. Kai o,ti bebaia apofasizetai, qa anakoinwnetai.

QEODWROPOYLOS: H kybernhsh apo thn hmera poy eklexqhke brisketai tesseris mhnes se diaboyleysh. Kai xqes, eidame ton Prwqypoyrgos kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres ta kybernhtika stelexh na anakoinwnoyme metra, poy telika qigoyn asfalistika dikaiwmata, qigoyn to eisodhma, epiballoyn emmesoys foroys. Telika giati egine ayth h diaboyleysh; Gia na katalhjoyme se ayto poy eipate eseis prin oti h kybernhsh apofasizei;

PETALWTHS: Einai safes oti h kybernhsh, h kaqe kybernhsh, exei ton kyrio kai apofasistiko rolo. H kybernhsh einai poy apofasizei kai tis politikes ths kai thn ylopoihsh twn politikwn ths . Apo kei kai pera, omws, eimaste mia kybernhsh, h opoia pragmatika diaboyleyetai se ola ta epipeda. Kai den diaboyleyetai, omws, aplws, pairnei kai apofaseis, ylopoiei kai politikes. Kai ayto fanhke kai fainetai kai apo ta nomoqethmata poy exoyn chfistei mexri twra, opws, na sas qymisw, oi proslhceis mesw toy ASEP. Na sas qymisw to sxedio ``KALLIKRATHS'', to opoio erxetai na allajei to dioikhtiko xarth - kai oxi mono ton aytodioikhtiko - ths xwras mas. Se ligo qa exoyme forologiko nomosxedio, asfalistiko. Den diaboyleyetai gia na diaboyleyetai. Diaboyleyetai gia na exoyme sto telos thn kalyterh nomoqetikh ryqmish se ola ta megala zhthmata ths xwras.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Epanerxomai se ena erwthma synadelfoy. Diaforopoihmenes apoceis stelexwn h ypoyrgwn, pws qa antimetwpistoyn; Qa mpoyn sto periqwrio, opws afhse na ennohqei koryfaios ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: Afhste na yparxoyn prwta diaforopoihmenes apoceis. Giati edw kai tesseris mhnes den yparxei hmera poy na mhn doyme diaforopoihmenes apoceis poy sth syntriptikh toys pleiochfia, den yfistantai. Einai sobara ta zhthmata. Ola ta melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, oloi oi boyleytes, ola ta stelexh toy PASOK kai kyriws o ellhnikos laos exei thn wrimothta na antilhfqei oti sthn katastash poy briskomaste prepei anagkastika na pairnoyme kai kapoia metra, ta opoia einai epwdyna, mh afhnontas omws toys megaloys mas stoxoys gia anaptyjh kai gia anatajh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Kai ayto einai to basikotero.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Wraia. Na sas rwthsw, loipon: Mhpws exete ypoch sas oti h kathgoria poy apeyqynetai sthn kybernhsh apo xqes to brady einai oti ``ma kala, xreiazotan tesseris mhnes gia na paei h kybernhsh toy PASOK sth syntagh Karamanlh'';

PETALWTHS: H syntagh Karamanlh, nomizw oti ws pros ayto, qa mporoyse na einai anekdoto. Einai gnwsto oti h Nea Dhmokratia, h kybernhsh Karamanlh efere th xwra sthn tragikh katastash, thn opoia paralabame. Kai bebaiws otan antelhfqh oti xanei to paixnidi kai oti den mporei na antapejelqei stoixeiwdws, tote qymhqhke h kybernhsh Karamanlh na einai kybernhsh eilikrineias kai na milhsei gia sklhra metra kai na einai kybernhsh oxi aresth, alla kybernhsh h opoia kanei ta deonta. Emeis exoyme diaforetikh antilhch. Emeis jekinhsame apo thn prwth hmera, anadeiknyontas ta problhmata, apotypwnontas ola ta megala zhthmata. Den ta skepasame. Kai prospaqoyme na broyme kai megales lyseis, diarkeias kai baqies, alla na antimetwpisoyme kai amesa ta megala zhthmata poy ofeilontai sth dhmosionomikh kai oikonomikh katastash ths xwras. Gia ayto akribws den mporei na yparxei kamia sygkrish. Stis kybernhseis Karamanlh, miloysame gia ena koykoylwma twn pantwn kai edw milame gia eilikrinh stash apo thn prwth stigmh.

MAKRYGIANNHS: H syntagh Karamanlh htane to ``pagwma'' twn misqwn, to opoio toso eseis aporriptate proeklogika k. Ekproswpe. Gi` ayto lew oti epistrecate sth syntagh meta apo tesseris mhnes, sth syntagh Karamanlh, gia to ``pagwma'' misqwn.

PETALWTHS: Apomonwnete monon ayto, gia to ``pagwma'' misqwn, etsi;

MAKRYGIANNHS: Gia to ``pagwma'' misqwn. Ma exei ginei tosh koybenta proeklogika. Sas lew loipon to ejhs: Proeklogika to PASOK yposxotan toylaxiston dyo pragmata. Qymamai poly kala ton Prwqypoyrgo na epimenei se ayta kai basei aytwn na aporriptei, as poyme, lyseis opws to ``pagwma'' twn misqwn. To prwto htan h anaqermansh ths agoras, oti qa rixnate disekatommyria sthn agora na anaqermanqei, kai kati tetoio den to blepoyme...

PETALWTHS: Ayto prospaqoyme na kanoyme.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Den to blepoyme tesseris mhnes meta. Kai to deytero einai oti qa eisprattate ena meros apo ta aneisprakta, 25  30 disekatommyria htan to noymero, en pash periptwsei kapoia disekatommyria qa ta eisprattate amesws, me thn apotelesmatikh politikh kai toys elegktikoys mhxanismoys. Oyte ayto egine kai epeidh den eginan ayta ta dyo, gia ayto loipon trabhjate th syntagh Karamanlh me to ``pagwma'' misqwn kai anagkasthkate twra kai katafygate se ayto.

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw oti den yparxei kai den efarmozoyme syntagh Karamanlh. Den yphrxe syntagh Karamanlh, apomonwnete mono to ``pagwma'' misqwn... Prwta apo ola, emeis den milame gia ``pagwma'' misqwn. Milame gia mia proswrinh lysh gia to 2010 mexri na apodwsoyn ta baqia metra kai oi baqies apofaseis, stis opoies exoyme probei. H syntagh Karamanlh, opws thn onomazete, proeblepe mono ``pagwma'' misqwn, mono ayjhseis oriwn hlikias sth syntajiodothsh, den eixe anaptyjiakh prooptikh. Emeis lambanoyme, anagkastika, kapoia metra ta opoia, men, einai epwdyna, dinoyn omws stoxo kai megalh prooptikh anaptyjhs gia ton topo. Ayth thn anaptyjh gia to tetramhno, opws eipate prohgoymenws, den mporoyme na thn exoyme apo th mia stigmh sthn allh. Dhmioyrgoyme ekeino to nomoqetiko plaisio, etsi wste na mporesei h oikonomia mas na teinei pros thn anaptyjh kai ayto bebaia den ginetai apo th mia stigmh sthn allh. Oson afora sthn eisprajh twn forwn, einai safes oti to oikonomiko epiteleio einai to prwto poy agwnia gia to oti den eisprattontai oi foroi poy eprepe na eispraxqoyn. Apo kei kai pera, omws, qa prepei na antilhfqei kaneis kai na prosmetrhsei thn anyparjia elegktikwn mhxanismwn  kai einai anyparjia, h opoia ofeiletai sthn prohgoymenh kybernhsh  thn anyparjia mhxanismwn elegxoy ths eisforodiafyghs kai ayta den ginontai apo th mia stigmh sthn allh. Emeis prospaqoyme. Se ligo qa oloklhrwsoyme oles tis diadikasies stelexwshs aytwn twn mhxanismwn, qa dhmioyrghsoyme tis ypodomes etsi wste kai oi foroi, epiteloys, na eisprattontai apo ekeinoys poy prepei kai mporoyn na plhrwsoyn, alla kai na epanelqei h anaptyjh sthn Ellada, na doyme na feygei h xwra apo thn yfesh.

STRATAKHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to synainetiko klima poy eidame ta teleytaia 24wra, qa ephreasei ton kybernhtiko programmatismo, oson afora dyo epimaxa, as to poyme, nomosxedia, metanasteytiko kai ``KALLIKRATH'';

PETALWTHS: To synainetiko klima einai yper toy ellhnikoy laoy gia na bgoyme apo ayth thn krish poy mas mastizei. Ayta ta dyo nomosxedia, ta opoia eipate kai ta opoia exoyn amesh anafora stis arxes toy PASOK kai ths kybernhshs, ennoeitai oti den ephreazontai. Aytes einai epiloges, gia tis opoies desmeythkame prin ths ekloges. Exoyn sxesh  eidika o ``KALLIKRATHS'' - me tis baqies allages sto kratos, sth dioikhsh kai me thn prooptikh sthn oikonomia kai ennoeitai oti qa proxwrhsoyn etsi opws akribws tis exoyme stoxoqethsei. Kai malista me poly grhgoroys ryqmoys.

Sas eyxaristw.

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