Greek Government Press Briefing, 10-01-19

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Trith, 19 Ianoyarioy 2010

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 19 Ianoyarioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Xqes kai shmera h kybernhsh dinei mia akomh maxh stis Bryjelles, gia na peisei toys Eyrwpaioys etairoys gia thn apofasistikothta mas na jeperasoyme thn oikonomikh krish, na anatajoyme thn oikonomia, na proboyme se dioikhtikh kai rizikh anadiarqrwsh stis domes kai tis leitoyrgies toy kratoys, afhnontas pisw ta laqh kai tis paraleiceis ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs kai antimetwpizontas me eyqynh kai sobarothta ta megala problhmata toy topoy. H poreia ayth qa synexistei kai to epomeno xroniko diasthma, prokeimenoy se prwth fash na antistrecoyme to arnhtiko klima kai na apokatasthsoyme thn ajiopistia kai to kyros ths xwras mas se eyrwpaiko, alla kai se dieqnes epipedo.

Parallhla, ergazomaste gia tis rizikes tomes se oikonomia, kratos kai koinwnia poy qa epanaferoyn th xwra se troxia anaptyjhs, qa qesoyn telos se ena anapotelesmatiko kratos poy trefei th grafeiokratia, thn adiafaneia kai katalhgei na einai exqriko pros ton idio ton polith. Kai milw bebaia kai gia to sxedio ``KALLIKRATHS'' poy qa odhghsei to qesmo ths topikhs, perifereiakhs aytodioikhshs, alla kai toy epitelikoy kratoys, ston 21o aiwna.

Kai se epipedo koinwnias, omws, antimetwpizoyme xronia zhthmata synoxhs kai eyryqmhs leitoyrgias ths, opws einai ta qemata twn metanastwn, ths enswmatwshs toys, toy asyloy kai ths xorhghshs iqageneias, pantote ypo tis proypoqeseis toy nomoy.

Se ayto to plaisio shmera, o Prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos Papandreoy paraqetei geyma ergasias ston Ypato Armosth twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn k. Gkoytieres, armodio gia toys prosfyges, kai stoys synergates toy, prokeimenoy na syzhthsoyn diejodika kai na antallajoyn apoceis gia ayta ta qemata.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epeidh diabazw oti yparxoyn pieseis apo tis dieqneis agores kai apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh gia thn oikonomia, h kybernhsh protiqetai na parei kai alla oikonomika metra gia na antimetwpisei ayth thn katastash, thn amfisbhthsh poy yparxei gia to sxedio ths;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola na ejhghsw oti sth xqesinh kai th shmerinh synedriash, ta prwta deigmata poy exoyme einai qetika. Pantote bebaia throymenwn twn analogiwn, to pws ftasame na phgainoyme se tetoioy eidoys synedriaseis. Synepws, to stoixhma to diko mas einai na mporesoyme -kai qa to kanoyme ayto- na ylopoihsoyme to programma staqerothtas, na ylopoihsoyme ayta poy exoyme ejaggeilei -eimaste etoimoi gi` ayto kai se nomoqetiko epipedo- na dwsoyme jana thn ajiopistia ths xwras mas ston baqmo poy ths anhkei, kanontas prajh, mesa apo nomoqetikh prwtoboylia, thn anejarthtopoihsh ths Statistikhs Yphresias kai thn anagwgh ths se Arxh. Kati poy na prosidiazei dhladh kai me tis Anejarthtes Arxes poy problepei to Syntagma, etsi wste na mporesoyme na eimaste jana ajiopistoi. Ayth th maxh dinoyme se ayth th fash kai safws qa thn kerdisoyme.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Dhladh, an anejarthtopoihsete th Statistikh Yphresia, pisteyete oti qa entypwsiastoyn kai qa peistoyn kat` epektash oi Bryjelles;

PETALWTHS: Den einai qema entypwsiasmoy, einai qema peiqoys, bebaiws, afoy ta megalytera problhmata poy antimetwpizoyme olo ayto to xroniko diasthma proerxontai, dystyxws, kyriws apo th megalh anajiopistia, poy exoyme san xwra. Synepws, opoia bhmata kai malista otan einai apofasistika kai rizika, teinoyn pros thn ejaleich ayths ths anajiopistias, ayta ajiologoyntai qetika. Kai me dedomeno oti ayto einai mono to prwto bhma. Giati exoyme kai alla bhmata ajiopistias na kanoyme, opws einai h sobarh ektelesh mesa apo asfalistikes kai qesmikes diklides toy Proypologismoy, etsi wste na peisoyme oti yparxei ena sxedio, oti yparxei strathgikh gia thn oikonomia mas, mesa apo tis megales qesmikes allages tis opoies kanoyme, proteinoyme kai qa yparxoyn ws apotelesma kai ths ajiopistias mas.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, an par` elpida, omws, oi Bryjelles sas zhthsoyn ontws entash twn prospaqeiwn aytwn kai ypo th morfh ayths ths entashs, newn metrwn, eseis protiqeste na ta labete ws diorqwtikes kinhseis poy qa apokatasthsoyn peraiterw to kyros ajiopistias ths xwras dieqnws;

PETALWTHS: To Programma Staqerothtas qa kriqei mesa sto Febroyario. Ena programma to opoio den afora mono th staqerothta, alla thn anaptyjh kai anasygkrothsh ths xwras mas. Einai ena oloklhrwmeno sxedio anasygkrothshs, pera apo ena typiko programma staqerothtas, opws eixame ypoxrewsh na ypobaloyme sthn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. Ayto hdh ektimatai. Prosdokoyme kai eimaste bebaioi oti qa ektimhqei deontws kai apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai qa exoyme qetika apotelesmata. Ara, na milame ek twn proterwn gia peraiterw metra, nomizw oti einai akaira kai den empiptoyn sto skopo mas.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Eseis mporei na xarakthrizete ta metra akaira, par` ola ayta, o k. Papakwnstantinoy stis Bryjelles hdh paroysiase kai ena deytero sxedio, enallaktiko, sthn periptwsh poy to Sxedio Staqerothtas den antapokriqei stis apaithseis twn Bryjellwn.

PETALWTHS: Den mporw na antilhfqw gia poio sxedio milate, otan to Programma Staqerothtas akomh den exei ajiologhqei apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. Epishs, ayto to Programma Staqerothtas, Anaptyjhs kai Anasygkrothshs poy ypobaloyme, qa ejetastei, qa syzhthqei. Ayto den exei ginei akomh, ara milame kai fqanoyme mono mexri ekei.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Exei efedriko sxedio h kybernhsh dhladh;

PETALWTHS: Safws kai den yparxei sxedio B. Einai to Programma Staqerothtas poy paroysiazoyme.

POLYMEROS: Na perasw sto agrotiko. Niwqw ap` ayta poy akoyw tis teleytaies wres kai thn kybernhsh kai toys agrotosyndikalistes, mia dystokia sthn epikoinwnia sas. Dhladh, oi syndikalistes agrotes lene pws thn idia stigmh poy eseis lete oti den yparxoyn lefta, den yparxei salio malista exei eipwqei apo kybernhtiko stelexos...

PETALWTHS: Ayto exei na kanei me to asfalistiko, bebaia...

POLYMEROS: Nai, den exei shmasia. Eipate oti den yparxoyn genikotera lefta. Thn idia stigmh oi agrotes lene oti kala qa kanete na ta breite kai mexri na ta breite, ekeinoi qa meinoyn sta shmeia poy einai apokleismenoi oi dromoi. Ti skopeyei na kanei h kybernhsh; Oyte diateqeimenoys toys blepw na pesoyn sth diadikasia twn syskecewn, ths antallaghs apocewn. Ti skopeyete na kanete;

PETALWTHS: Emeis kai sto agrotiko zhthma, etsi opws to onomase kai to anhgage o Prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos Papandreoy, efarmozoyme thn apoch mas kai ton ajona poy exoyme xarajei se ola ta megala zhthmata. Den qeloyme na kanoyme mpalwmata, den qeloyme na dwsoyme pali cixoyla stoys agrotes gia na toys peisoyme na anoijoyn toys dromoys. Emeis kai sto agrotiko zhthma qa kanoyme baqies, rizikes allages. Tetoies allages poy qa apotrepoyn, poy den qa yparxei logos, toy xronoy tetoia epoxh, na briskontai jana stoys dromoys. Ekeino to opoio symmerizomaste oloi einai oti oi agrotes exoyn megala problhmata -ayto to symmerizetai olos o ellhnikos laos- problhmata poy exoyn kai oi ypoloipes epaggelmatikes tajeis. Stoys agrotes yparxei kai h gnwsth anasfaleia poy phgazei ek toy epaggelmatos toys. Apo kei kai pera, omws, to na erxomaste me ``paradosiakes'' meqodoys na dwsoyme kati, gia na pazarecoyme me toys agrotes, emeis ayto den qa to kanoyme. Exoyme sxedio to opoio qa paroysiasoyme mesa apo ena sygkekrimeno dialogo. Enw parallhla diamorfwnontai, syndiamorfwnontai taktikes kai strathgikes. O dialogos aytos qa koryfwqei stis 25 kai 26 Ianoyarioy sto Zappeio, se synergasia me thn Oikonomikh kai Koinwnikh Epitroph kai to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias, etsi wste na baloyme ta qemelia gia mia megalh anatroph kai sta agrotika qemata. Apo kei kai pera, den prepei na jexname kai ypenqymizoyme kai stoys agrotes, alla kai ston ellhniko lao oti h kybernhsh mas, opws eipa kai xqes, mesa se treis mhnes exei kanei shmantika bhmata gia thn enisxysh kai thn elafrynsh twn agrotwn. Toys entajame sthn eyergetikh ryqmish gia to epidoma koinwnikhs allhleggyhs. Exoyme desmeyqei gia thn ayjhsh ths epistrofhs toy FPA apo 7% se 11%. Toys exoyme entajei stis ryqmiseis, prokeimenoy na dieykolynqoyn gia ta daneia toys, stis ryqmiseis gia to TEMPME kai mia seira apo alla zhthmata poy exoyn na kanoyn me tis apozhmiwseis toys, me ton ELGA. Xronia kai ekkremh zhthmata, me to programma ``ALEJANDROS MPALTATZHS'' kai etoimazoyme na allajoyme kai th nomoqesia gia ton ELGA. Parallhla, na ypenqymisw kati poy ekana kai xqes, alla nomizw oti logw twn hmerwn qa prepei na to ypenqymizoyme, oti mexri tis 15 Martioy qa plhrwqoyn oles oi ypoloipes agrotikes koinotikes apozhmiwseis me dedomeno oti h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh den plhrwne giati den yphrxe h chfiopoihsh twn mhtrwwn. Ton Oktwbrh, prin apo dyo mhnes, to pososto chfiopoihshs anerxotan se 28% kai twra ton Ianoyario se 82%, poy shmainei oti syntoma qa exei oloklhrwqei. Ara kai se ameso xroniko pedio qa laboyn tis apozhmiwseis tis opoies dikaioyntai. Alla, epimenoyme oti xreiazontai baqies, rizikes allages. Oi agrotes safws kai qeloyn thn prosoxh mas. Prepei, omws, na kanoyme kati diaforetiko kai qa to kanoyme me poly pio baqy orizonta, ap` ayta poy ginotan se prohgoymenes epoxes.

POLYMEROS: Epi toytoy. Ayta ta akoysame kai xqes. Twra ti ginetai. Oi agrotes den feygoyn. Yparxei problhma. Kai to problhma den einai mono to oti einai kleistoi oi dromoi. Einai kleistoi oi dromoi kai einai kommenh h Ellada se tessera diaforetika kommatia. Hdh, h Boylgaria qa prosfygei sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. To na ejaggeilete ta idia metra poy eipate kai xqes, den nomizw oti allazei kati.

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai mia ektimhsh, h opoia ginetai apo esas. Emeis prospaqoyme, mesa apo ena sxedio, mesa apo staqera bhmata, na diasfalisoyme kai thn eleyqerh sygkoinwnia kai thn eleyqerh diakinhsh proswpwn kai agaqwn. Ayto ginetai mesa apo diadikasies. Qa ginei kai mesa apo diadikasia dialogoy. Qeloyme, kai sto telos qa peisoyme toys agrotes gia to oti h kybernhsh diaqetei sxedio kai gia ta metra kai amesa metra ta opoia toys kaloyme, oytws h allws, na syndiamorfwsoyme. Kati to opoio prosdokoyme oti qa ginei.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Oi agrotes den zhtoyn apospasmatika metra. Zhtoyn eggyhmenh timh sta proionta toys. Se ayto, ti leei h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Kai emeis den kanoyme kai den sxediazoyme apospasmatika metra. Qa htan, opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, poly eykolo na erqoyme me ena apospasmatiko metro kai na lysoyme ta mploka, na lysoyme, ypotiqetai proswrina, to qema twn agrotwn, etsi wste na eimaste hsyxoi. Qeloyme na kanoyme -kai qa kanoyme- diaforetika bhmata, opws eipa kai prohgoymenws. Bhmata allaghs kai anatrophs twn mexri twra katesthmenwn kai sto agrotiko zhthma. Ws pros tis eggyhmenes times, einai ena megalo qema. Exei sxesh kai me tis koinotikes epiboles kai me tis koinotikes desmeyseis poy exoyme. Kai epiteloys, qa prepei na dwsoyme kai orizonta, etsi wste oi agrotes na apeleyqerwqoyn, na exoyn diaforetiko prosanatolismo kai stis agrotikes toys paragwges kai sthn yparjh toys ws epaggelmatikh tajh, me problhmata kai me dikaiwmata.

MPEQANH: Hqela na sas rwthsw, aytos o dialogos poia morfh qa parei. Dioti, o dialogos poy eipate qa ginei mesa se mia ebdomada, exete kalesei toys agrotes. Ayto to mesodiasthma, na anamenoyme apo thn kybernhsh kati diaforetiko; Dhladh, o dialogos aytos qa ginei, qa pane oi ypoyrgoi ekei h endexomenws o Prwqypoyrgos qa synomilhsei me toys agrotes; Ti diaforetiko, akribws, skopeyete na kanete;

PETALWTHS: O dialogos jekina th Deytera. Mexri th Deytera, emeis kanoyme bhmata, hmera me thn hmera, prospaqoyme na eimaste se synennohsh kai me toys agrotes poy symmetexoyn sta mploka, alla kai na kanoyme ena dialogo kai synennohsh me oles tis agrotikes organwseis. Giati sta mploka den yparxei kai eniaios foreas, etsi wste na yparxei eniaios tropos dialogoy. Emeis kaloyme oloys toys agrotes na erqoyn sto dialogo. Na stamathsoyn, dhladh, ta mploka gia na mhn yparxei kai koinwnikh anataraxh kai na mhn yparxoyn tajeis oi opoies antistrefontai kai exoyn antitiqemena symferonta. Kati to opoio, dystyxws, qa doyme na ginetai aytes tis hmeres. Alla, prosdokoyme oti se ayto to dialogo qa proselqoyn oi agrotes se ola ta epipeda kai me oles tis morfes ekproswphshs toys.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Thn idia wra poy kaleite toys agrotes se dialogo, eixame thn prwth eisaggelikh parembash ths eisaggelias Qessalonikhs gia ta mploka twn agrotwn. Qa hqela ena sxolio ths kybernhshs.

PETALWTHS: Opws gnwrizete, h Dikaiosynh einai anejarthth. Den orizetai oyte apo thn ektelestikh, oyte apo th nomoqetikh ejoysia. Efoson o opoiosdhpote eisaggeleas diapistwsei oti yparxoyn endeijeis gia kapoio paraptwma, kanei th doyleia toy, askei ta kaqhkonta toy. Emeis den mporoyme na paremboyme. Emeis ayto poy qeloyme na kanoyme ws kybernhsh einai na peisoyme toys agrotes, me oysiastika epixeirhmata. Pragma to opoio to ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai h ka. Mpatzelh, me ena poly epistameno kai systhmatiko tropo, prospaqei na kanei olo ayto to diasthma kai bebaiws synexizetai h prospaqeia ayth.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Ean den peistoyn me ta epixeirhmata ths kybernhshs, oi eisaggelikes parembaseis einai enas tropos gia na lyqoyn ta mploka;

PETALWTHS: Emeis qeloyme na peisoyme me epixeirhmata. Opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, qeloyme h peiqw mas na exei baqos, prokeimenoy na lyqoyn kai ta megala zhthmata ths agrotias mas.

MOYRELATOS: Ews thn enarjh toy dialogoy th Deytera k. Ekproswpe, na anamenoyme apo thn kybernhsh mia prwtoboylia, h opoia endexomenws qa apoklimakwsei thn entash kai ta mploka poy yparxoyn se olh thn Ellada;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh kai h armodia ypoyrgos ka. Mpatzelh ergazetai, wra me thn wra, gia na yparxei apoklimakwsh twn kinhtopoihsewn. Bebaiws, mesa apo symfwnies, apo dialogoys, oi opoies symfwnies qa einai anoixtes panw sta megala zhthmata kai me ton tropo poy eqesa prohgoymenws.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: To prwi apo o,ti maqainoyme, egine sto Megaro Majimoy mia eyreia syskech stelexwn gia ton politiko programmatismo kai thn apotimhsh ths kybernhtikhs drasthriothtas. Mporeite na mas peite pws sxediazei, to epomeno diasthma, tis prwtoboylies ths h kybernhsh kai pws apotima to mexri twra ergo ths;

PETALWTHS: H apotimhsh toy mexri twra ergoy ths, exei ginei apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo, prin apo liges hmeres, sto Zappeio, me thn oloklhrwsh twn 100 prwtwn hmerwn sth diakybernhsh ths xwras apo to PASOK. Mia apotimhsh, thn opoia krinoyme qetikh kai bebaia th qetoyme mono ws enarjh mias poly megalhs kai sklhrhs doyleias poy exoyme na kanoyme ws kybernhsh apo edw kai pera. Briskomaste mono sthn arxh. Apo ekei kai pera, tiqentai oi proteraiothtes, oi opoies qa anakoinwnontai. Yparxei ena terastio nomoqetiko ergo poy kaloymaste na epitelesoyme mesa sth Boylh, mesa apo sygkekrimena nomosxedia, ta opoia qa exoyn na kanoyn me thn oikonomia. Exoyme forologiko nomosxedio, exoyme dioikhtikh anadiarqrwsh ths xwras, exoyme Ejetastikes Epitropes poy qa prepei na proxwrhsoyme. Einai mia seira apo zhthmata, ta opoia exoyme mprosta mas, me poly sklhrh doyleia apo oloys bebaia toys synadelfoys boyleytes olwn twn kommatwn.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Se ayth th syskech, asxolhqhkate me to agrotiko zhthma, me tis kinhtopoihseis twn agrotwn;

PETALWTHS: O,ti eipwqhke se ayth th syskech, nomizw oti den qa prepei na to pw, me dedomeno oti einai mia eswterikh syskech. Ayta poy bgazoyme pros ta ejw einai ayta poy mas ekfrazoyn. Ennoeitai oti anhsyxoyme gia toys agrotes. Kai anhsyxoyme sthn oysia kai se baqos, giati den mporei na synexistei ayth h katastash, poy yparxei mexri twra, sto agrotiko zhthma. Ara, safws einai apo ta prwta melhmata ths kybernhshs na asxolhqoyme me to agrotiko zhthma.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ta problhmata poy yparxoyn ston syntonismo ths kybernhshs kai pws qa antimetwpistoyn, ta koybentiasate k. Ekproswpe;

PETALWTHS: Emeis qewroyme oti den yparxoyn problhmata sto syntonismo ths kybernhshs, to exw pei kai allh fora kai to epanalambanw. Exoyme anoijei ola ta megala zhthmata mesa se poly ligo xroniko diasthma. Kapoia ta exoyme hdh kleisei kiolas, opws einai oi diorismoi mesw ASEP kai h apokatastash ths antikeimenikothtas, ths ajiopistias kai ths diafaneias stis proslhceis, poy eixe plhgei para poly asxhma epi Neas Dhmokratias. Apo kei kai pera exoyme anoixta zhthmata kai gia ayto akribws den dexomaste oti yparxei problhma syntonismoy, afoy ola ayta ta qemata proxwroyn kai malista me ton kalytero tropo.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Mias kai eipate gia to ASEP. Diabazw oti sto Kthmatologio, o k. Arbaniths ekane kati tsaxpinies ekei, leei, me mia prokhryjh kai anagkase thn ypoyrgo toy ...

PETALWTHS: To lete poly tsaxpinika.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Tsaxpinhs einai o k. Arbaniths kai afoy prokalese kai thn parembash ths k. Mpirmpilh. Skepteste na kanete kapoia drastikh energeia h qa parakoloyqeite etsi toys diaforoys na katapatoyn to ASEP kai eseis meta na to epikaleiste sta logia.

PETALWTHS: Opws apodeixqhke den parakoloyqoyme thn katastrathghsh toy ASEP. Amesws molis antelhfqh h armodia ypoyrgos k. Mpirmpilh oti yphrxe qema amfibolias gia aytes tis proslhceis, an ypagontai sto ASEP h oxi, tis anakalese amesws kati poy den qa ginotan pote se prohgoymenes kybernhseis. Ayto den nomizw oti einai parakoloyqhsh apo makria.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Nai, me ton k. Arbanith ti qa ginei poy ekane kati poy prokalese thn parembash; Eprepe, dhladh, na parembei h ypoyrgos gia na lyqei; Alliws, an den parenebaine h ypoyrgos, o k. Arbaniths, o sygkekrimenos h opoiosdhpote allos, qa thn ekane th doyleia toy mia xara. Qa meinei atimwrhtos h einai aplws sta logia h noyqesia kai oi parembaseis sas;

PETALWTHS: Den einai sta logia, einai stis prajeis. H parembash ths k. ypoyrgoy htan amesh kai bebaia ayto to qema to blepoyme.

STRATAKHS: Akoyga kaqws erxomoyn ton Epiqewrhth Dhmosias Dioikhshs k. Rakitzh na leei oti sthn ``TRAM AE'' yphrjan to diasthma 2004 mexri kai shmera, 500 kai pleon diorismoi aoristoy xronoy. Ti qa ginei, afenos, me toys ergazomenoys. Kai deyteron an h dioikhsh, h opoia paramenei idia qa logodothsei kai politika alla kai poinika, efoson prokycoyn tetoies eyqynes. Kai genikotera skeftetai h kybernhsh na entajei stoys diorismoys mesw ASEP kai tis epixeirhseis DEKO, opws ``TRAM'', opws ``Kthmatologio''.

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola aytoi oi diorismoi, epeidh diabasa kai egw ths ekqesh toy k. Rakitzh, eginan epi Neas Dhmokratias. Ayto to orgio proslhcewn sthn ``TRAM AE'' kai se alles paromoioy xarakthra etairies, to exoyme kataggeilei epaneilhmmena kai ennoeitai oti qa paroyn to dromo pros thn apokatastash ths nomimothtas. Opoios exei dioristei paranoma, qa exei tis synepeies poy problepei o nomos. Kai bebaiws perimenoyme kai to akribes porisma toy k. Rakitzh gia na doyme pws qa ejelixqei ayth h ypoqesh. Den mporei ta xrhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy na kataspatalwntai me ayton ton tropo, gia proslhceis dhladh kai diorismoys poy eginan epi Neas Dhmokratias kaqara gia pelateiakoys kai kommatikoys logoys. Ekei den qa epitrecoyme na janaginei kati tetoio. Epi PASOK eixan pagwsei oi proslhceis. Kai sthn ``TRAM AE'' kai sth ``METRO'' yphrxan paranomes proslhceis kai pairnoyn to dromo ths Dikaiosynhs.

STRATAKHS: Na epimeinw ligo se ayto. H dioikhsh paramenei h idia, h dioikhsh, dhladh, poy apo 156 ergazomenoys...

PETALWTHS: Qa allajei h dioikhsh mesa sto plaisio allaghs olwn twn analogwn dioikhsewn.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie ekproswpe, yparxei shmera ena dhmosieyma poy mila gia katarghsh ths Genikhs Grammateias Enhmerwshs me apotelesma na exoyn qorybhqei kai kapoioi ergazomenoi edw, kai den ennow mesa sthn aiqoysa ennow eyrytera. Exete apanthsh gia ayto; Yparxei tetoia problech;

PETALWTHS: Syzhteitai h katarghsh kapoiwn Genikwn Grammateiwn, oi opoies kata thn diapistwsh mas den yparxei logos na yparxoyn. H katarghsh toys, omws, qa anakoinwqei otan yparxei kai dedomenh apofash. Kai safestata den yparxei kanena qema me toys ergazomenoys se aytes tis Genikes Grammateies, afoy qa parameinoyn sth qesh toys h qa entaxqoyn se allh Genikh Grammateia.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epeidh, k. ekproswpe ayth h istoria me tis katarghseis Genikwn Grammateiwn proekyce tis teleytaies ebdomades, ayto to pragma proekyce epeidh den briskete Genikoys Grammateis; Tote giati prokhryxthkan aytes oi qeseis ton Oktwbrio;

PETALWTHS: Emeis prokhryjame tis qeseis olwn twn forewn, twn Grammateiwn, twn Organismwn, tis opoies brhkame. Apo kei kai pera otan yparxei h diapistwsh kai h ajiologhsh oti kapoioi Organismoi, kapoioi foreis, kapoies Genikes Grammateies qa katarghqoyn, ayto to kanoyme kai ennoeitai oti den qa plhrwqoyn oi qeseis. Bebaia, apo ta 20.000 biografika, qa mporoysame na broyme Genikoys Grammateis kai gia aytes tis Grammateies. Otan omws pisteyoyme oti den yparxei logos yparjhs toys, tote tis katargoyme kai mono ayto einai to krithrio.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Afoy to lete etsi mporeite na mas dwsete ena xronodiagramma pote qa kalyfqoyn oi qeseis poy den qa katarghqoyn...

PETALWTHS: Syntoma.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Mexri to Pasxa, mexri to kalokairi, kati na prosanatolizomaste kai emeis;

PETALWTHS: Pio nwris apo to Pasxa.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kai mia teleytaia erwthsh: Ejetastikh epitroph gia thn oikonomia pote qa katateqei;

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw. Akoysate kapoia apofash oti qa yparjei ejetastikh epitroph gia thn oikonomia; Na sas pw se ayto  giati einai eylogh h aporia sas  teqhke kai sthn synenteyjh Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Zappeio kai meta. Emeis ws pros ta ceydh stoixeia, ta opoia apostellontan sthn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, ws dhqen alhqh gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia, to qema to ejetazoyme blepoyme. Hdh, edw kai arketo kairo exei anakoinwqei oti exei systaqei - kai ``trexei'' stis ergasies ths - mia epitroph systhmenh apo ton ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn k. Papakwnstantinoy, h opoia qa ejagei sxetiko porisma gia to me poion tropo ginotan ayth h paraplhroforhsh, h dioxeteysh  an ginotan  stoixeiwn, poy paraplanoysan thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, me apotelesma na eimaste shmera akrws anajiopistoi. Otan qa yparjei to porisma ayths ths epitrophs, qa doyme kai thn poreia poy qa diagracoyme ws pros ayto to qema. Alla sigoyra qa prepei na yparjei apokatastash ths nomimothtas kai katamerismos eyqynwn, opoy kai se opoion yparxoyn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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