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Trith, 12 Ianoyarioy 2010

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 12 Ianoyarioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Proxwrame dynamika sthn ylopoihsh twn proeklogikwn kai programmatikwn desmeysewn mas apenanti ston ellhniko lao. To symbatiko kai symboliko diasthma twn 100 hmerwn ths kybernhshs toy PASOK, symplhrwnontai me qetiko proshmo.

O Prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos Papandreoy, se synenteyjh toy ayrio, qa dwsei to stigma twn prwtwn 100 hmerwn, anaferontas to shmantikotato ergo ths kybernhshs, mesa sto symboliko ayto xroniko diasthma. Alla kai gi` ayta poy epontai, gia tis megales anatropes poy hdh exoyme dromologhsei me to nomosxedio gia tis proslhceis mesw ASEP, to nomosxedio gia th ryqmish twn lhjiproqesmwn ofeilwn epixeirhsewn kai tis allages ston ``TEIRESIA'', alla kai to nomosxedio gia ta yperxrewmena noikokyria. Ton dyskolo proypologismo poy omws ylopoiei polles apo tis proeklogikes mas desmeyseis kai th nea arxitektonikh ths topikhs aytodioikhshs kai ths dhmosias dioikhshs me to sxedio ``KALLIKRATHS''.

To ergo poy exei parajei ayth h kybernhsh einai perissotero kai poiotikotero apo oso qa mporoyse kaneis na skefqei sto parelqon, dedomenhs pantote ths katastashs poy paralabame apo th Nea Dhmokratia sthn oikonomia, alla kai sto kratos. Ayth akribws h katastash exei pyrodothsei kai to elleimma ths ajiopistias ths xwras apenanti stoys etairoys mas kai ayto fainetai kai apo thn prosfath ekqesh ths Eurostat gia ta ellhnika statistika stoixeia, opoy emeis, omws, apantame me thn anejarthtopoihsh ths Ellhnikhs Statistikhs Yphresias.

Oi 100 prwtes hmeres einai safws mono h arxh.

To 2010 qa einai, opws exei dhlwsei o Prwqypoyrgos, etos megalwn kai rizikwn anatropwn, giati exoyme symmaxo tis prosdokies kai thn elpida toy Ellhna polith.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Exei prosdiorisei h kybernhsh pote qa oloklhrwqei o prwtos kyklos diaboyleyshs gia to sxedio ``KALLIKRATHS'';

PETALWTHS: Se syntomo xroniko diasthma. Alla, prokeitai gia ena sxedio to opoio den einai ena aplo sxedio nomoy, einai mia megalh rizikh, epanastatikh anatroph gia ta ellhnika dedomena. Kai oxi mono, se sxesh me to kratos synolika, thn aytodioikhsh, mia apo tis megales paqogeneies ths katastashs poy zoyme kai exei ws apotelesma th shmerinh katastash sth xwra mas. Qa yparxei sygkekrimenos xronos, efoson qa syzhthqei kai h deyterh fash, efoson ejeidikeytei, efoson ekfrastei h apoch kai olwn twn endiaferomenwn merwn -poy hdh exei jekinhsei na ginetai- alla kai h apoch, bebaiws, toy kaqe polith.

SWKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, akoysame xqes ton ypoyrgo Ergasias k. Loberdo na leei oti oysiastika ta tameia exoyn xreokophsei, den exoyn xrhmata na plhrwsoyn kai na leei oti oloi oi ypoyrgoi ths teleytaias dekaetias poy perasan apo ayto to posto, exoyn apotyxei, symperilambanomenhs profanws kai ths metarryqmishs poy eixe kanei to PASOK to 2002. Symmerizetai h kybernhsh aytes tis apoceis;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na diorqwsw kai na pw oti oi dhlwseis toy k. Loberdoy den eixan sxesh me ypoyrgoys, eixan sxesh me thn politikh, an den kanw laqos, twn deka teleytaiwn xronwn. Apo kei kai pera, ayto poy exw na pw, einai oti an den ginontan oi dyo asfalistikes metarryqmiseis epi PASOK, to 1993 kai to 2002, shmera den qa yphrxe asfalistiko systhma gia na mporoyme na milame estw se ayto to epipedo, to opoio safestata prepei na allajei. O k. Loberdos, ws armodios ypoyrgos, ejefrase thn tekmhriwmenh apoch oti ta tameia pleon einai adeia. Kai jeroyme akribws kai giati einai adeia kai oxi mono tis rizikes aities, alla kai thn poly kakh diaxeirish, th gnwsth kakh diaxeirish poy egine apo toys ypeyqynoys ths Neas Dhmokratias, me tis gnwstes poinikes proektaseis kai h opoia qa prepei na diereynhqei. Apo kei kai pera, einai safestato oti ayto to asfalistiko systhma den mporei na proxwrhsei allo. Einai qema, oxi mono twn epomenwn genewn stis opoies xrwstame na paradwsoyme mia koinwnikh asfalish, alla kai ths shmerinhs genias h opoia exei problhma sto na syntajiodothqei, ean paei etsi to asfalistiko systhma. Gi` ayto akribws kai epeidh emeis den prokeitai na epitrecoyme kati tetoio, epeidh emeis eimaste edw gia na prostateysoyme th syntajh toy Ellhna polith -kai ayto qa ginei- poreyomaste me to gnwsto tropo, pros ena allo asfalistiko systhma.

KROYSTALLH: Otan lete ``tis gnwstes poinikes proektaseis'', ti ennoeite; Qa steilete ston eisaggelea kapoia atoma ta opoia kakodiaxeiristhkan xrhmata toy OAED h twn Tameiwn;

PETALWTHS: Oxi, den einai toy OAED. Einai gnwsto  kai to gnwrizei kai h ellhnikh koinwnia kai exei kriqei kai politika- ti egine me ta omologa twn Tameiwn. Ekei yparxoyn zhthmata ta opoia akomh den exoyn dromologhqei. Yparxoyn zhthmata, oxi aplws kakodiaxeirishs, alla terastias apwleias toy dhmosioy ploytoy, dhmosioy xrhmatos, apo toys ypeyqynoys poy orise h Nea Dhmokratia na to diaxeirizontai, na to fylassoyn kai na to prostateyoyn.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Xqes, o k. Loberdos kindynologwntas eipe oti den yparxoyn xrhmata gia na plhrwqei to epidoma anergias. Poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: O k. Loberdos den kindynologhse. O k. Loberdos einai o armodios ypoyrgos gia tis koinwnikes asfaliseis, o opoios mesa apo ena emperistatwmeno sxedio, melethmeno kai me anoixtoys orizontes, prospaqei na anatajei to qema ths asfaleias toy Ellhna polith se epipedo koinwnikhs asfalishs. Exoyn jekinhsei diadikasies -einai gnwstes oi diadikasies oi opoies akoloyqoyntai- gia na prokycei ena asfalistiko systhma biwsimo, dynato, staqero kai dikaio. Apo ekei kai pera, einai gnwsto oti o OAED exei ejairetika problhmata reystothtas. O k. Loberdos eipe mia alhqeia: Oti o OAED den exei xrhmata kai ayto to gnwrizoyme. Kai ofeiletai sthn alogisth kai aperiskepth spatalh kai katanalwtikh diaxeirish toy OAED apo th Nea Dhmokratia. Kai mia apodeijh, opws anaferei o k. Loberdos me neoterh anakoinwsh toy, einai akribws ayth h katastash toy OAED. To ypoyrgeio, omws, sto opoio proistatai o k. Loberdos, h kybernhsh synolika alla kai h dioikhsh toy OAED, dinei mia kaqhmerinh maxh, prokeimenoy na mhn kindyneysei oyte ena epidoma, kyriws anergias alla kai ola ta epidomata. Mia maxh, omws, opoy dinetai hmera me thn hmera, bhma me bhma. Ayth thn agwnia toy ejefrase o k. Loberdos kai ayth einai h pragmatikothta. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, yparxei kai h diabebaiwsh oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh, ayth h ellhnikh kybernhsh den qa afhsei kanenan Ellhna polith na mhn tyxei toy epidomatos poy dikaioytai.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ginontai synexws syskeceis kai sto Majimoy kai sth Boylh kai genikotera mesa sthn kybernhsh gia na yparxei enas syntonismos metajy twn ypoyrgeiwn, ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas, toy kommatos, twn eyrwboyleytwn, telos pantwn na yparxei mia syntonismenh poreia. Anarwtiemai, giati shmera, enw sto qema ths tropologias perimenoyme na doqoyn dieykriniseis, bghke o koinoboyleytikos ekproswpos sth Boylh, o k. Papoytshs, kai eipe oti ``egw den symfwnw me thn kataqesh ayths ths tropologias''. Kai den einai to monadiko stelexos.

PETALWTHS: Me th diadikasia ths kataqeshs.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Me th diadikasia ths kataqeshs.

PETALWTHS: Sto shmeio ayto kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos exei desmeyqei oti den qa katatiqentai asxetes tropologies. Prwta ap` ola, omws, h desmeysh mas kai h apoch mas einai na mhn yparxoyn oi legomenes ``nyxterines tropologies'', opws ginotan kata koron. Dhladh, se nomosxedio to opoio syzhteitai sthn Olomeleia, h desmeysh mas einai ws pros thn Olomeleia kai typika. Efoson jekina h syzhthsh enos sxedioy nomoy sthn Olomeleia, meta thn epejergasia apo thn Epitroph kai o,ti allo problepetai  malista, twra, me to neo kanonismo problepontai dyo synedriaseis Epitropwn, se dyo Epitropes diaforetikes- etsi kai paei sthn Olomeleia to nomosxedio, den qa xwrei tropologia ekei. Ayth einai h boylhsh mas kai mono se ektaktes periptwseis, opoy epiballetai, qa mporei na ginei kati tetoio. Sth sygkekrimenh, omws, periptwsh h tropologia ayth katateqhke emproqesma, prin th syzhthsh sthn Epitroph. Ara, kanenas boyleyths den qa sterhqei toy dikaiwmatos na ekfrasei thn apoch toy epi ths tropologias ayths. Qa ginei epejergasia sthn Epitroph, qa diasafhnistei h opoiadhpote tropologia  kai malista h sygkekrimenh- etsi wste sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs qa paei ena sygkekrimeno nomoqethma, epejergasmeno kanonika. Apo ekei kai pera, yphrje mia ektakth anagkh, mia sygkekrimenh anagkh, gi` ayto katateqhke ayth h tropologia. Alla, einai safws boylhsh mas na mhn kataqetoyme tis legomenes ``nyxterines tropologies''.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Syggnwmh, kaneis den diasfalizei oti ayrio qa yparxei kai allh ektakth anagkh. Egw qelw na sas pw, o koinoboyleytikos ekproswpos toy PASOK den katalabainei ayth thn ektakth anagkh kai bgainei kai leei oti ``egw den symfwnw me ayth th diadikasia''; 'H telos pantwn, ta ypoyrgeia kanoyn alla pragmata oi ypoyrgoi kai den enhmerwnoyn. Den yparxei mia enhmerwsh, qelw na pw.

PETALWTHS: Yparxei kai enhmerwsh kai syntonismos.

XASAPOPOYLOS: H dhlwsh toy k. Papoytsh sas deixnei oti yphrxe enhmerwsh;

PETALWTHS: Egw sas apanthsa gia th sygkekrimenh tropologia kai eidika kai genika.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Kalws. Egw sas rwtaw gia ton k. Papoytsh, omws.

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa.

MARAQIAS: Me aformh thn eikona poy paroysiase o synadelfos gia tis 100 prwtes hmeres ths kybernhshs, stis opoies eipate oti yparxei qetiko proshmo, yparxoyn proseggiseis shmera ston Typo poy kanoyn logo gia ``Babel'' sthn kybernhsh me th symplhrwsh twn 100 prwtwn hmerwn. Pws sxoliazete tetoioy eidoys dhmosieymata; Kai pragmati h eikona ths kybernhshs qymizei ``Babel'';

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy mas endiaferei einai, oxi mono na dinoyme thn aisqhsh ston polith oti emeis doyleyoyme kai kanoyme tis megales allages, alla oti pragmatika me ton apologismo poy qa kanoyme  kai poy kanoyme kaqhmerina- eimaste bebaioi, sigoyroi oti pistoi stis proeklogikes mas desmeyseis poreyomaste gia to kalo ths xwras kai to dhmosio symferon. Emeis, h kybernhsh toy PASOK me o,ti parelabe, ekane sygkekrimenh epilogh. Kai h sygkekrimenh epilogh einai na anoijoyme ola ta megala kai mikra qemata, poy dhmioyrgoyn tis xronies paqogeneies. Einai ayta ta qemata sta sthrixqhke ayth h krish poy pername, oikonomikh, krish kratoys ws pros th diafqora, akomh kai se koinwniko epipedo. Kai epeidh mesa se treis mhnes molis, exoyme anoijei zhthmata oikonomias, zhthmata kratoys, poy den exoyn anoijei dekaeties oloklhres, einai epomeno, briskomenoi akomh sthn arxh, na ergazomaste kai na yparxoyn tetoioy eidoys entypwseis, oi opoies omws den eystaqoyn. Emeis gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti kanoyme mia doyleia me bash sygkekrimeno sxedio. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala ti dromo akoloyqoyme. Opws kai gnwrizoyme poly kala toys stoxoys mas. O apologismos poy qa kanoyme qa einai enas apologismos, o opoios pragmatika qa deixnei ean petyxame na ylopoihsoyme aytes tis stoxeyseis. Den einai ligo to oti se liges mono hmeres, apo tis prwtes hmeres poy analabame, hdh allaje ardhn to topio twn proslhcewn. Kai balame jana thn ajiokratia mesw ASEP, thn antikeimenikothta, th diafaneia, kati poy o ellhnikos laos to blepei kai to anagnwrizei, anejarthta se poia paratajh anhkei. Den einai tyxaio oti qetoyme nees baseis kai neoys oroys sth leitoyrgia toy kratoys, akomh kai se oikonomiko epipedo, me ena neo eidos katartishs Proypologismoy, poy qa einai ajiopistos, me anejarthtopoihsh ths Statistikhs Yphresias poy qa mas bgazei epiteloys asproproswpoys pros toys etairoys, alla kai pros ton Ellhna polith. Ola ayta, ta antilambanetai para poly kala o ellhnikos laos kai den exei kamia aisqhsh oti yparxei to klima to opoio perigracate.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Dhladh, h kybernhsh den blepei oti exei dhmioyrghqei mia eikona sygxyshs oson afora, as poyme, paradeigma to forologiko, ta metra poy erxontai; Epeidh yparxoyn para polla...

PETALWTHS: Senaria.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Kai senaria, alla kai stelexh poy bgainoyn. O enas leei th mia hmera to ena, o allos leei thn allh hmera to allo. Eseis to ``mazecate'' xqes gia to qema toy FPA, anoigei apo kapoy alloy ayto to klima. Den blepete ayth thn eikona sygxyshs, as poyme, poy exei dhmioyrghqei me tis dhlwseis-antidhlwseis kybernhtikwn stelexwn; Den einai mono ta senaria.

PETALWTHS: Egw, bebaia, yposthrizw oti einai ayta ta senaria ta opoia bgainoyn kaqe hmera, senaria ta opoia tis perissoteres fores den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Ekeino sto opoio basizoyme emeis thn politikh mas kai ton apologismo mas pros ton Ellhna polith, einai, sto telos, to ergo mas. Kai malista, otan exoyme dromologhsei ena forologiko nomosxedio to opoio qa einai dikaio -to opoio qa einai ena alloy eidoys forologiko nomosxedio- poy katanoeite, antilambaneste, oti h ejeidikeysh twn metrwn, olwn, qa ginei mesa apo to teliko keimeno toy forologikoy nomosxedioy. To oti kykloforoyn ola ayta ta senaria h oles oi ekdoxes h oi piqanes protaseis kai lyseis poy proerxontai polles fores mesa apo th diaboyleysh h opoia ginetai, ayto den shmainei oti einai kai telika metra, ayto den shmainei oti einai kai telikes apofaseis. Ean h sygxysh dhmioyrgeitai apo th dhmosia diaboyleysh, kakws dhmioyrgeitai. H dhmosia diaboyleysh einai gia na bazei polla pragmata sto trapezi, etsi wste sto telos to paragomeno apotelesma kai to ergo na einai to swsto kai to dikaio.

POLYMEROS: Me ayta poy lete, katalabainw oti den apokleietai kai to endexomeno, mesa apo to forologiko nomosxedio, kapoia stigmh na yparjei kai ayth h legomenh ayjhsh toy FPA h h enopoihsh sto 15%. Ayto poy apokleisate xqes. Giati twra, me ta legomena sas, ayto katalaba.

PETALWTHS: Se ayto exoyme apanthsei -kai exoyme apanthsei kai egw kai poly perissotero o Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras- oti den yparxei tetoia kybernhtikh protash, den yparxei tetoia eishghsh pros thn kybernhsh. To na erxomaste kai na anaparagoyme ta senaria, den einai kalo. To na anaparagoyme mia kindynologia, den einai kalh oyte gia to klima, opws eipate prohgoymenws, to opoio dhmioyrgeitai. Emeis milame me tis apofaseis, me nomoqethmata kai bebaia mesw twn armodiwn ypoyrgwn.

MPEQANH: Me bash ta osa eipate, qewrei h kybernhsh oti krinetai kapws aysthra apo ton Typo gi` aytes tis 100 prwtes hmeres; Dedomenoy oti exoyme akoysei kai ton Prwqypoyrgo na epishmainei oti kai o Typos den prepei na yperbalei se orismena dhmosieymata, oson afora tis proqeseis ths kybernhshs se sygkekrimena metra.

PETALWTHS: Emeis dexomaste thn kritikh apo ton opoiondhpote, apo ton aplo Ellhna polith, apo ton Typo, apo ta MME poy exoyn ws apostolh toys na enhmerwnoyn. Dexomaste thn kritikh, oson afora se gegonota, se prajeis mas, se paraleiceis mas, giati kai paraleiceis ginontai kai laqh qa ginoyn. Eimaste mia kybernhsh h opoia ergazetai pyretwdws kaqhmerina, me sygkekrimenes synqhkes. Ara, otan antimetwpizoyme kritikh, einai kalodexoymenh, anejarthta apo poion proerxetai. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, to na kykloforoyn synexh senaria, ta opoia anaparagontai kai ta opoia dhmioyrgoyn kai mia asxhmh eikona, genikoterh, gia thn politikh kai gia to kratos, nomizw oti den wfeloyn kanenan. Ean fqasoyme, de, sta proswpa  proekteinw ligo thn apanthsh moy- giati kai gia proswpa ypoyrgwn milame para poly, isws perissotero apo o,ti einai dikaiologhmeno, tote pleon exoyme na antimetwpisoyme kai alles katastaseis. Kai opws eipa xqes, dexomaste na kriqoyn proswpa  giati yphrje kai sygkekrimenh erwthsh, xqes- basei gegonotwn. Oxi sxolia omws, ta opoia den mas aforoyn. Kai malista, otan aforoyn kai ypoyrgoys ths kybernhshs tetoioy eidoys sxolia kai dhmosieymata, ta opoia malista den einai apla dhmosieymata, einai libellografhmata poy den armozoyn se ypoyrgoys, tote h kybernhsh safws qa dinei pantote thn apanthsh ths kai qa einai apenanti se tetoioy eidoys praktikes.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Sygnwmh, poion ennoeite;

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai mia genikh qewrhsh. Alla ennoeitai oti prosidiazei kai sthn periptwsh poy rwthqhka xqes, gia ton k. Pampoykh. H erwthsh poy egine einai mia genikh erwthsh kai h apanthsh einai genikh, alla kai eidikh, en prokeimenw kai afora fysika oloys toys ypoyrgoys.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Kala kai mesa sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai mesa sthn kybernhsh yparxoyn stelexh, ypoyrgoi poy kataferontai enantion twn ypoyrgwn. Den einai mono h kritikh poy dexetai apo ton Typo. Dexontai kai polla (den akoygetai).

PETALWTHS: Prwton, rwthqhka gia ton Typo. Deyteron, mesa sthn kybernhsh den katalaba, pws ypoyrgoi kataferontai enantion ypoyrgwn; Ennoeite se sxolia, se syzhthseis;

XASAPOPOYLOS: Ennow oti gia diafora qemata poy anoigoyn, yparxoyn kybernhtika stelexh poy ekfrazoyn diaforetikes apoceis.

PETALWTHS: Ayto den einai aparaithtws kako. Oi apoceis einai enas qemitos tropos gia na ekfrazetai kapoios. Opws eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos, den prepei na enoxopoioyme tis syzhthseis, alla ola exoyn kai ta oria toys. Egw den akoysa ypoyrgoys na kataferontai kata ypoyrgwn. Alla se sxesh me ta dhmosieymata, epanalambanw, yparxoyn kapoia oria. Kai otan to dhmosieyma einai kaloproaireto, einai politiko dhmosieyma, ekei yparxei kai apanthsh en tois pragmasi. Ean kapoios ypoyrgos kanei kala th doyleia toy h den thn kanei. Alla, otan yparxei proswpikh, asthrixth epiqesh kai malista poy den prosidiazei se antimetwpish enos politikoy, safws kai h kybernhsh antitiqetai, to sthliteyei kai qa einai apenanti se tetoies praktikes.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Mporw na sas rwthsw kati epi toy prakteoy; Epeidh lete oti ola ayta ta senaria den wfeloyn kai kanoyn zhmia sthn kybernhsh, shmera maqame, den jerw an sas exoyn enhmerwsei apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, oti daneisthkame sta entoka grammatia me 2,20%, enw mexri twra htan 0,90%, otan den exei xrhmata na plhrwsei tis syntajeis, to epidoma anergias kai ola ayta. Giati katafygame se ayton ton ychlo daneismo;

PETALWTHS: Toys oroys daneismoy qa toys dieykrinisei to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn. Einai ena zhthma gia to opoio qa enhmerwsei to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn kai gi` ayto egw den exw na pw tipote shmera. Makari, bebaia, na hmastan sth qesh na mh xreiazomaste na daneistoyme kai na mh xreiazetai na daneistoyme me tetoioys epaxqeis oroys.

SWKOS: Kyrie ypoyrge, xqes sth Boylh, o koinoboyleytikos ekproswpos toy PASOK k. Papoytshs, xarakthrise thn ektroph toy Axelwoy ws ergo zwhs, syntassomenos kai me tis apoceis ths antipoliteyshs. Antiqetws, h ypoyrgos k. Mpirmpilh afhse anoixto to qema na mhn ginei kiolas h ektroph. Eqese kapoies proypoqeseis. Telika, poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs gi` ayto to zhthma;

PETALWTHS: H qesh ths kybernhshs gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma exei ekfrastei kai apo ayto to bhma edw sthn enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn. O Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras, prin tis ekloges, se mia omilia toy sth Larisa, eixe kanei logo gia to ergo ayto, gia thn ektroph toy Axelwoy. Einai ena ergo poy me sebasmo sto periballon, alla kai me ta shmerina dedomena qa anaptyjei thn agrotikh paragwgh ths perioxhs kai qa dhmioyrghsei nea dedomena. Einai ena ergo to opoio ypo tis swstes proypoqeseis entassetai kai qa entassetai sth synolikh politikh peri diaxeirishs twn ydatwn, me periballontikh proseggish gia thn opoia exei desmeytei to PASOK.

KROYSTALLH: H ypoyrgos Periballontos den jerei ayth th desmeysh toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Giati epimenei oti prepei na erqoyn meletes kai na doyme ti qa ginei me tis meletes;

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws kai gnwrizei poia einai h qesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Bebaiws kai jerei poia einai h desmeysh. Alla den blepw oti yparxei antifash me ayta poy sas eipa. H ypoyrgos Periballontos exei xreos na prostateyei kai to periballon se oles toy tis ekfanseis kai me oles tis proypoqeseis. H boylhsh ths kybernhshs einai ayth.

QEODWROPOYLOS: An den kanw laqos, oi ayjhseis poy eixe anakoinwsei h kybernhsh gia toys misqoys twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn kai gia tis syntajeis qa kinoyntai mexri 2%, sta oria toy plhqwrismoy eixe pei tote o Prwqypoyrgos. O plhqwrismos to Dekembrh toy 2009 ekleise sto 2,6%. Ara oi ayjhseis poy exete anakoinwsei einai katw apo ta oria toy plhqwrismoy. Ayto apotelei allh mia aqethsh twn proeklogikwn sas desmeysewn;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei epishmh anakoinwsh ayjhsewn. O nomos gia thn eisodhmatikh politikh qa erqei twra, stis arxes toy xronoy, opoy qa kaqorizontai kai oi ayjhseis twn misqwn.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pws ajiologei h kybernhsh to metwpo poy fainetai oti dhmioyrgoyn h Nea Dhmokratia kai o LAOS, oson afora mia nomoqetikh ths prwtoboylia kai anaferomai sto nomosxedio peri ellhnikhs iqageneias twn metanastwn, ypo proypoqeseis, profanws. Kai an eiste diateqeimenoi na akoloyqhsete ayth thn proeklogikh sas desmeysh, akomh kai an exei bary politiko kostos, opws fainetai ayto apo tis prosfates dhmoskophseis.

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, na pw oti apo tis prosfates dhmoskophseis fainetai kai kati allo: Oti yparxei ena syntriptiko pososto politwn poy apodexetai na pairnoyn thn ellhnikh iqageneia ta paidia twn metanastwn deyterhs genias. Apo kei kai pera, einai safhs proeklogikh mas desmeysh na lysoyme ayto to megalo zhthma poy exei na kanei me thn koinwnia mas, oxi mono me toys metanastes, alla me thn koinwnia mas synolikotera kai pws blepoyme ena sygkekrimeno sygxrono koinwniko qema. Bebaia, ejartatai kai me poia ideologikh proseggish to blepei o kaqenas. To LAOS exei th dikh toy ideologikh proseggish, sthn opoia eimaste safws antiqetoi. Den perimename kai tipote diaforetiko. H Nea Dhmokratia omws qa klhqei pragmatika na staqei sto ycos twn peristasewn kai na symperiferqei ws ena sygxrono eyrwpaiko komma kai na exei kai mia tetoia proseggish. Omws, gia na kanoyme kai kapoies dieykrinhseis panw sto qema ayto, prwta apo ola milame gia nomimoys metanastes. Giati yparxei kai mia streblwsh ths nomoqetikhs mas prwtoboylias. Milame mono gia nomimoys metanastes. Ejalloy, o k. Samaras den dikaioytai na milaei gia ``Doyreio Ippo'', giati  as mhn jexname  oti to 1992, otan htan ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn eixe anoijei ta synora me thn Albania, me apotelesma na syrreysoyn ekatontades xiliades allodapwn sthn Ellada xwris dikaiologhtika, xwris xartia, xwris tajidiwtika eggrafa, oi opoioi argotera - panw apo 150.000 - nomimopoihqhkan apo ton k. Paylopoylo me epixeirhsh ``skoypa''. Xwris kan atomikh proseggish, xwris kan atomikh ejetash toy kaqenos, ean dhladh dikaioytai na nomimopoihqei, ean dikaioytai na parei thn ellhnikh iqageneia. Gi ayto ola ayta ta peri ``Doyreioy Ippoy'' ta epistrefoyme. Emeis exoyme ypoxrewsh na exoyme mia proseggish sygxronh, proodeytikh, anqrwpinh. Kai epeidh akoysa apo stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias  qa perimenoyme na doyme synolika thn topoqethsh ths, bebaiws  oti ws proypoqesh gia na paroyn ta paidia twn metanastwn deyterhs genias opws legetai, thn ellhnikh iqageneia, qa prepei na phgainoyn sto sxoleio kai na exoyn sygkekrimenes proypoqeseis. Prwton: Ayta ta paidia, ta perissotera, phgainoyn sto sxoleio. Kai an paidia deyterhs genias metanastes, den phgainoyn sto sxoleio, tote einai ena allo shmantiko zhthma ths ellhnikhs Politeias kai ths koinwnias. Emeis proseggizoyme to olo qema me bash thn ideologia, tis ajies kai tis arxes mas kai bebaiws, me kyrio gnwmona kai to dhmosio symferon.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Qelw ena sxolio gi` ayta poy eipe o k. Oli Ren xqes stis Bryjelles kai thn katastash poy paroysiase gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia.

PETALWTHS: Tis dhlwseis toy k. Oli Ren tis diabasa kai egw. Einai mia proseggish poy exei na kanei me thn poly asxhmh eikona ths xwras mas se epipedo ajiopistias. Ayto to gnwrizoyme. Den xreiazotan na mas to pei kapoios allos gia na to syneidhtopoihsoyme twra. To gnwrizame kai to gnwrizoyme. Apo kei kai pera, bebaia, to qetiko einai oti mesa sthn apoch kai thn ekfrash toy armodioy gia ta oikonomika epitropoy, fainetai oti h Ellada apokta pleon shmeia ajiopistias. Ginetai qetikh anafora pros thn ellhnikh kybernhsh. To qetiko einai oti anagnwrizetai oti dromologeitai h anejarthtopoihsh twn statistikwn stoixeiwn, poy einai para poly shmantiko gia thn ajiopistia mas sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Kai fainetai oti yparxei mia qetikh prooptikh gia thn antimetwpish ths xwras mas apo edw kai pera. Bebaia, me para poly sklhrh doyleia.

Sas eyxaristw.

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