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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 12 Noembrioy 2009

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 12 Noembrioy 2009

GIWRGO PETALWTH

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Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Exw dyo erwthseis. H prwth einai, ean h kybernhsh protiqetai, ontws, na proswpopoihsei tis eyqynes gia thn katarreysh toy Proypologismoy toy 2009. Kai h deyterh einai, ean h k. Katselh exei jekinhsei kapoies mystikes synanthseis, opws leei shmerino dhmosieyma.

PETALWTHS: Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs: H kybernhsh hrqe se poly dyskolh qesh ek meroys ths Elladas. Edw, den yparxei epiplhjh sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh. Yparxei epiplhjh sthn Ellada apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, otan apodeixqhke oti ta stoixeia ta opoia stelname htan ceydh. Apo ekei kai pera, einai logiko oti qa prepei na apodoqoyn eyqynes. O Ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn k. Papakwnstantinoy exei kanei sxetikes dhlwseis gia to qema. Hdh, yparxei mia ypoyrgikh apofash toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn, h opoia mexri to telos toy etoys qa prepei na anadeijei to zhthma. Qa prepei na kanei mia prwth ergasia gia to poy yparxoyn eyqynes, etsi wste to porisma ayths ths anejarthths Epitrophs na diabibastei sthn Epitroph Oikonomikwn ths Boylhs kai h ypoqesh na parei to dromo ths. Kapote qa prepei na milhsoyme sygkekrimena gia eyqynes. Otan, malista, ayto to elleimma ajiopistias, poy yparxei, exei ameses epiptwseis sthn oikonomia ths xwras mas kai sth dieqnh eikona ths.

Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas gia thn k. Katselh: Prwta ap` ola, apo osa gnwrizw, h k. Katselh qa ekdwsei anakoinwsh. Yparxei kathgorhmatikh diaceysh ep` aytoy. Ws pros to qema toy Skaramagka kai ws pros to qema toy limanioy: Apo thn kybernhsh exei ginei mia syllogikh doyleia, etsi wste na lyqoyn ayta ta poly megala zhthmata. Ayth h syllogikh ergasia poy ginetai, den mporei na sykofanteitai me kanena tropo. Yparxei epishmh politikh kai taktikh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, h opoia deixnei kai ta shmantikotata apotelesmata.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ti akribws diaceydete; Diaceydete to oti egine ayth h syskech, opws anaferei to dhmosieyma sto grafeio ths k. Katselh me ton k. Bikentio Arsenh kai ena steno ths synergath kai ton ekproswpo poy oi Germanoi exoyn orisei  emeis leme oti qa orisoyme, telos pantwn h toy opoioy metabibazoyn, telos pantwn, to nayphgeio- ayto diaceydete h diaceydete to gegonos oti eseis den gnwrizate an yparxei tetoia syskech; Ennow to Megaro Majimoy.

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa prohgoymenws oti h k. Katselh qa anakoinwsei, entos ths wras, tis apoceis ths gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Qa kanei mia sygkekrimenh dhlwsh. Kai fysika nomizw oti ayth h dhlwsh exei thn ajia ths. Egw, ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws, einai oti h kybernhsh kanei ejairetikh doyleia panw se ayta ta zhthmata, poy einai poly lepta kai me idiaiteres proseggiseis. Kai menoyme se ayto.

SWKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate sthn prwth apanthsh sas oti to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn qa bgalei ena porisma, to opoio qa to steilei sth Boylh gia na proswpopoihqoyn oi eyqynes. Ayto shmainei oti yparxei to endexomeno na zhthsei systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, an prokycoyn eyqynes se sygkekrimena politika proswpa;

PETALWTHS: Ola ta endexomena einai anoixta, apo th stigmh poy apodeixqei, apo th stigmh poy exoyn erqei stoixeia sth Boylh, oti yparxoyn proswpikes eyqynes gia thn poly megalh zhmia poy ginetai sthn ellhnikh Politeia me thn eskemmenh apokrych, thn paraplhroforhsh sygkekrimenwn oikonomikwn stoixeiwn, poy exoyn toso dysmeneis synepeies gia th xwra mas. Ayto, omws, einai qema ths idias ths Boylhs.

PETOYRH: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, kata poso olh ayth h eswterikh diamaxh, pleon, poy yparxei sthn Ellada anamesa sthn kybernhsh kai th Nea Dhmokratia, se sxesh me thn katastash ths oikonomias kai thn paroysiash twn stoixeiwn, poso blaptei, pisteyete, th xwra dieqnws kai kyriws stis Bryjelles, oytws wste na kaqista dyskolh thn askhsh ths oikonomikhs politikhs ths kybernhshs kai tis proeklogikes desmeyseis; Giati h Ellada, oysiastika, mphke se ena kaqestws epithrhshs, xqes. Ayto qa sas bohqhsei na ylopoihsete tis proeklogikes sas desmeyseis, poy shmainei kapoies dapanes; Kai synolika, an dysfhmeitai h xwra me ayth thn ypoqesh eis baros ths poreias ths oikonomias.

PETALWTHS: Dysfhmish ths xwras yparxei, apo th stigmh poy apodeiknyetai oti ta stoixeia poy paroysiaze h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias htan toso parapoihmena, poy h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh antimetwpizei th xwra mas ws mia xwra anajiopisth. Ayto to elleimma ajiopistias, kaloymaste emeis shmera na anaplhrwsoyme. Kai na kanoyme ekeines tis energeies, etsi wste h Ellada na einai jana mia ajiopisth xwra stoys etairoys ths. Ayto einai kai to nohma twn energeiwn ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Eswterikh diamaxh me th Nea Dhmokratia den yparxei, sto epipedo poy kinoymaste emeis. Apo ekei kai pera, o katalogismos eyqynwn exei mia poreia kai ayth thn poreia akoloyqei kai h kybernhsh. Ekeino, omws, poy prospaqoyme na kanoyme shmera, einai na peisoyme toys etairoys mas oti ta stoixeia poy toys dinoyme emeis shmera, einai ajiopista. Oti o Proypologismos, ton opoio kataqetoyme, einai ajiopistos, opws kai oi politikes tis opoies dromologoyme gia ta oikonomika zhthmata ths xwras.

PETOYRH: Kai se sxesh me tis proeklogikes desmeyseis, ean oi teleytaies ejelijeis sthn oikonomia piqanws odhghsoyn sto na mhn ylopoihsete kapoies apo aytes;

PETALWTHS: Opws einai gnwsto, emeis paralambanoyme mia poly dyskolh katastash. Omws, ayth thn krish, emeis th blepoyme ws mia eykairia na ginoyn poly megales anatropes kai se epipedo kratoys kai se epipedo oikonomias. Den stekomaste se ayta poy briskoyme. Proxwrame peraiterw. Epanalambanw oti einai mia proklhsh gia emas, wste na kanoyme tis megales anatropes.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Eipate nwritera, oti qa yparjei ena porisma apo anejarthth Epitroph. Ayth thn Epitroph qa thn kanei to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn; Apo poioys qa apoteleitai; To exete sto...

PETALWTHS: Hdh, me ypoyrgikh apofash toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn k. Papakwnstantinoy exei systaqei ayth h Epitroph. Anaferetai sthn ypoyrgikh apofash  poy exei anakoinwqei kai einai sth diaqesh sas- kai ta melh ths Epitrophs. Anaferei kai to xrono lhjhs twn ergasiwn ths Epitrophs, poy orizetai sto telos toy etoys, prokeimenoy na ajiologhqoyn ta problhmata, na katagrafei h trexoysa dhmosionomikh katastash kai me thn yparjh, se sxesh me ta statistika stoixeia.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Ayth thn Epitroph h telos pantwn ayth thn ereyna, thn exei zhthsei h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai thn kanei h Ellada;

PETALWTHS: O Ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn apofasise, prokeimenoy na yparxei, pleon, ajiopistia ths xwras mas kai se eswteriko epipedo, alla kai ws pros thn probolh ths eikonas ths kai stis diapragmateyseis kai tis synallages me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, prospaqoyme na broyme tropoys, etsi wste na ginoyme kapote ajiopistoi. Kai enas apo aytoys toys tropoys, einai h katagrafh twn problhmatwn, alla kai h eishghsh stoixeiwn antikeimenikothtas kai ajiopistias apo edw kai pera, poy exei anaqesei o Ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn se mia Epitroph, etsi opws oristhke me thn ypoyrgikh apofash.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Ean moy epitrepete, ena lepto. Zhtw sygnwmh apo toys synadelfoys. H orgh poy yparxei sthn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai proxqes poy phge sto ECOFIN o k. Papakwnstantinoy, einai giati h Ellada den paroysiase stoixeia h akribws epeidh den paroysiase ena sygkekrimeno sxedio pws qa bgoyme apo thn krish; Blepoyn, dhladh, oti enw h katastash sthn oikonomia einai xalia, blepoyn ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn kai thn kybernhsh na kanei oysiastika paroxes, na mhn paroysiazei metra pws qa bgoyme apo thn krish. Mhpws kai gi` ayto to qema h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph einai enoxlhmenh;

PETALWTHS: Egw, prohgoymenws, anefera ta epipeda toy zhthmatos wste na antimetwpisoyme to elleimma ajiopistias. Kai ta eqesa ws ejhs: Yparxei qema anajiopistias twn stoixeiwn toy parelqontos, qema ajiopistias toy shmerinoy Proypologismoy, etsi opws katatiqetai apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh kai kyriws qema ajiopistias ths politikhs mas. Se prwto epipedo, h orgh  opws xarakthrisate eseis- twn Eyrwpaiwn einai akribws giati yphrxan anajiopista stoixeia. Exw mprosta moy ena shmeio ths anaforas toy k. Almoynia, o opoios epishmane oti yparxoyn poly sobara problhmata kai megales proklhseis, oi opoies den antimetwpisthkan eparkws sto parelqon. Emeis, omws, jekiname apo aytes akribws tis diapistwseis, blepontas tes ws proklhsh gia na kanoyme tis dikes mas allages.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh nomizw oti anoigete toys askoys toy Aioloy, ti akribws qa diereynhsei h Epitroph; An doqhkan ceytika stoixeia h to pososto ceydoys to opoio doqhke; Giati apo o,ti jeroyme, h dhmioyrgikh logistikh einai eqniko spor. Me dhmioyrgikh logistikh mphkame sthn ONE, me dhmioyrgikh logistikh eixame thn epithrhsh epi Alogoskoyfh kai twra, qa mpoyme se kainoyrgia epithrhsh logw dhmioyrgikhs logistikhs twn prohgoymenwn h ayrio dikwn sas. To prwto, se ti akribws qa kathgorhqoyn aytoi oi anqrwpoi; Kai to deytero, ean fqasoyme se poinikopoihsh ths politikhs diadikasias, skefteste ayta poy proeipa; Mhpws dhmioyrgeite prohgoymeno kai anoigete toys askoys toy Aioloy; Ayrio, mporei na breqeite kai eseis sto idio skamni.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, aytos o symchfismos na mhn katalogisoyme shmera eyqynes, gia na mhn katalogistoyn ayrio eyqynes se emas, einai enas symchfismos poy den afora sthn kybernhsh. Exoyme mia teleiws diaforetikh logikh, ena teleiws diaforetiko pneyma apo ayto poy perigracate. Apo ekei kai pera, nomizw oti h apofash toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn gia th systash kai to ergo ths Epitrophs, einai safestath. Kai epitrecte moy na diabasw to shmeio, poy anaferei oti synistatai Epitroph me antikeimeno thn katagrafh ths trexoysas dhmosionomikhs katastashs, thn ajiologhsh twn problhmatwn poy yparxoyn se sxesh me ta statistika stoixeia kai thn eishghsh protasewn pros ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn gia th beltiwsh ths apeikonishs twn dhmosionomikwn stoixeiwn ths xwras. Emas, den mas endiaferei aplws enas katalogismos eyqynwn. Mas endiaferei h staqerothta, h sobarothta, h ajiopistia kai to mellon ths xwras mas.

MIXAHL: Mia dieykrinish: Prokeitai gia thn idia Epitroph poy eixe ejaggeilei o k. Papakwnstantinoy me ton k. Probopoylo, toys foreis ths oikonomias, to IOBE, th GSEE kai ekproswpoys allwn forewn gia to idio qema ths katagrafhs h einai allh kainoyrgia Epitroph;

PETALWTHS: Einai h idia Epitroph.

KAMPOYRAKHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh qewrei pws akoloyqwntas ayth th diadikasia, kaqizontas dhladh sto politiko skamni  dikh moy h ekfrash- toys ypeyqynoys ths prohgoymenhs periodoy, mporei etsi na beltiwqei h katastash sthn oikonomia, na meiwqei to elleimma h en pash periptwsei, na beltiwqoyn ta stoixeia, ta opoia shmera einai se para poly arnhtika epipeda. Qelw na pw, dhladh, h profanhs politikh skopimothta ayths ths kinhshs, peran twn proqesewn sas, den sas problhmatizei;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kamia allh politikh skopimothta, ektos apo to na apokatastaqei h Dikaiosynh kai h alhqeia. H ellhnikh kybernhsh ergazetai me toys tropoys, oi opoioi anadeiknyontai kaqhmerina, gia na swqei epiteloys, estw kai teleytaia stigmh, h ajiopistia ths xwras mas, oxi mono sto ejwteriko, alla kai pros ton Ellhna polith. Einai poly shmantiko oti h ajiopistia ths Politeias exei na kanei kai me tis sxeseis Politeias kai polith. Kai ayto mas endiaferei kata kyrio logo. Ean yparxei qema katalogismoy eyqynwn, to porisma ayths ths Epitrophs qa diabibastei sthn Epitroph Oikonomikwn ths Boylhs, prokeimenoy na ajiologhqei apo thn idia th Boylh. Den yparxei kanenas kairoskopismos. Den yparxei kamia allh skopimothta. Alla, h Dikaiosynh qa prepei na epiballetai se ola ta epipeda.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Epeidh epikalesthkate thn ekqesh toy ECOFIN, sth xqesinh ekqesh toy ECOFIN synodeyontai kai kapoia stoixeia sxetika me thn agora ergasias sthn Ellada. Anamesa sta alla, zhta meiwsh toy ergasiakoy kostoys twn neoproslambanomenwn, me katabolh amoibwn mikroterwn twn katwterwn syllogikwn symbasewn. Epeidh milhsate prin gia ajiopistia sthn politikh sas kai oti eiste etoimoi na antimetwpisete tis proklhseis, apenanti se ayth thn ypodeijh toy ECOFIN, poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs; Ti apanthse o k. Papakwnstantinoy poy breqhke stis Bryjelles;

PETALWTHS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei ena sygkekrimeno programma me to opoio desmeyqhke proeklogika pros ton ellhniko lao. Ta ergasiaka dikaiwmata einai apo tis prwtes proteraiothtes ws pros thn proaspish toys. Kai emeis den qa eimaste feidwloi sto na yperaspistoyme ta ergasiaka dikaiwmata toy Ellhna polith. Apo ekei kai pera, antimetwpizontai ta panta mesa apo ena plegma prajewn, etsi wste na mporesoyme na bgoyme apo th shmerinh krish, sthn opoia exei perielqei se oikonomiko epipedo h xwra mas. Kai h politikh mas fainetai kai anakoinwnetai.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Desmeyqhkate, dhladh, gia na yparjoyn misqoi ejw apo tis syllogikes symbaseis.

PETALWTHS: Apo ayta poy eipa, den nomizw oti prokyptei kati tetoio. Kai safws den yparxei kamia tetoia desmeysh.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Poia stash krathse o k. Papakwnstantinoy apenanti stis ypodeijeis toy ECOFIN;

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa prohgoymenws thn apoch ths kybernhsh ws pros ayto poy rwthsate.

PAPPA: H Ellada qewreitai oti brisketai sth zwnh ychloy kindynoy, oson afora to Asfalistiko. Kai o armodios Ypoyrgos prosfata, sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, eipe oti qa prepei na anoijei amesa. Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs na anoijei amesa to Asfalistiko, an protiqetai na proxwrhsei sth stadiakh ayjhsh twn oriwn hlikias gia tis gynaikes kai an yfistatai gia thn kybernhsh qema katarghshs twn syllogikwn diapragmateysewn.

PETALWTHS: Oson afora to teleytaio skelos ths erwthshs sas: Gia thn kybernhsh den yfistatai tetoio qema katarghshs twn syllogikwn diapragmateysewn. To Asfalistiko einai ena zhthma gia th xwra mas me ta gnwsta problhmata, poy einai pleon problhma ths kaqhmerinhs epibiwshs enos asfalistikoy systhmatos, to opoio oytws h allws den einai dikaio kai den einai biwsimo. Ara, einai mia megalh proklhsh gia thn ellhnikh kybernhsh. Kai bebaiws, se ayto to plaisio qa antimetwpistei, me ena nomo poy qa erqei mesa apo th sygkekrimenh diadikasia. Ws pros to qema ths ejiswshs twn oriwn hlikias andrwn kai gynaikwn, einai gnwsto oti yparxei mia katadikastikh apofash apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Se baqos xronoy qa antimetwpistei to zhthma me ena sxedio nomoy, to opoio qa teqei se dhmosia diaboyleysh. Mesa apo to syntonismo drasewn, empeirias kai gnwsewn, alla kai twn apocewn olwn twn emplekomenwn forewn, qa prospaqhsoyme na yparjei mia dikaih lysh kai se ayto to zhthma.

SEGKOS: Epeidh eipate oti den tiqetai qema katarghshs twn syllogikwn diapragmateysewn, stis apofaseis toy ECOFIN, omws, gia th xwra mas anaferetai oti oi metarryqmiseis toy systhmatos syllogikwn diapragmateysewn den exoyn apotelesei ton pyrhna twn askoymenwn politikwn. Sxediazete kapoia metarryqmish se ayto ton tomea; Qa apotelesei, dhladh, kybernhtikh proteraiothta apo edw kai sto ejhs;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, akoyme tis protaseis twn Eyrwpaiwn etairwn mas kai twn sygkekrimenwn organwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei kai mia eqnikh politikh, me bash thn opoia prospaqoyme na antimetwpisoyme thn krish se oikonomiko epipedo, se epipedo asfalistikoy systhmatos. Exoyme, omws, arxes, ideologia kai ajies, tis opoies fysika den apempoloyme. Kai h koinwnikh Dikaiosynh einai mia apo tis arxes mas.

SIDERHS: Yparxei ena qema, exei enskhcei sthn Italia, alla syntoma qa erqei kai edw, mias kai arxise na syzhteitai stoys ekpaideytikoys kykloys kai o SYRIZA kateqese erwthsh sth Boylh. Anaferomai se mia apofash toy Eyrwpaikoy Dikasthrioy Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn, symfwna me thn opoia prepei oi eikones na fygoyn apo ta sxoleia. Epeidh einai ena qema poy aptetai toy sklhroy pyrhna ths anqrwpinhs yparjhs kai epeidh afora, oxi mono toys qrhskoys kai toys qrhskolhptoys, alla kai toys aqeoys akoma, poy pisteyoyn oti tis paradoseis enos laoy den mporei na tis kaqorizoyn ypereqnika kentra -den einai oikonomia h qrhskeia- qa hqela, oxi shmera, ayrio h th Deytera, na moy apanthsete, ti skeptetai h kybernhsh, se ti prosanatolizetai, ti stash qa krathsei se ayto to qema, giati etsi kai alliws exei erqei sthn Ellada se epipedo syzhthsewn kai syntoma qa to antimetwpisoyme.

PETALWTHS: Qa doqei apanthsh sth Boylh, efoson exei katateqei bebaia erwthsh apo to SYRIZA kai otan teqei zhthma, qa apanthqei.

SWKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qymomaste oti o Prwqypoyrgos proeklogika eixe pei oti den qa yparjei kamia ayjhsh oriwn hlikias syntajiodothshs. Twra diabazoyme oti ayto to meleta pleon, h kybernhsh. Kai kyriws gia tis gynaikes qa anebei to orio hlikias meta apo apaithsh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Isxyei h proeklogikh desmeysh toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

PETALWTHS: Einai diaforetiko qema h ayjhsh twn oriwn hlikias genikws, kai diaforetiko to qema ths ejiswshs twn oriwn syntajiodothshs andrwn kai gynaikwn. Emeis, ws pros to prwto zhthma menoyme pistoi kai throyme tis programmatikes mas desmeyseis, prin kai meta tis ekloges. Ws pros to deytero qema, sas apanthsa.

KAMPOYRAKHS: As moy epitrapei na pw oti h ejiswsh anamesa stoys andres kai stis gynaikes proypoqetei ayjhsh toy orioy hlikias twn gynaikwn. Ara edw exoyme mia ayjhsh, estw sto ena skelos. H erwthsh moy, omws, einai h ejhs: Molis labame sta kinhta mas ena sms oti stis 16:00 yparxei mia syskech ypo ton k. Papandreoy me toys kyrioys Pagkalo, Benizelo, Pampoykh, Droytsa, Mpeglith kai esas gia ejwterika qemata kai amynas. Qelw na rwthsw, an se ayth th syskech qa syzhthqei to qema twn nayphgeiwn Skaramagka. Kai an nai, giati den einai h kyria Katselh sth syskech.

PETALWTHS: Oi anakoinwseis gia to ti qa syzhthqei sth syskech, qa ginoyn meta th syskech. Ws pros to qema poy eipate, epanerxomai bebaia, alla qa prepei na syzhtame edw kai ligo pio anoixta. Sas apanthsa oti einai poly pio synqeto zhthma, apo to na poyme oti ayjanontai ta oria hlikias syntajiodothshs twn gynaikwn. Eipa kai prohgoymenws oti yparxei mia katadikastikh apofash. Den mporoyme na thn agnohsoyme. Alla, xwris na qeloyme na qigei kanena dikaiwma to opoio isxyei mexri shmera, gi ayto anaferw oti se baqos xronoy qa prepei na yparxei ena sxedio nomoy poy qa teqei se diaboyleysh, prokeimenoy na eimaste synepeis kai me tis ypoxrewseis mas pros thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

MIXAHL: Se ayth th syskech poy qa ginei stis 16:00, qa syzhthqei h qa einai antikeimeno toy KYSEA  to opoio an eiste se qesh na mas peite pote qa synelqei  gia na allajei h desmeysh poy anelabe h prohgoymenh kybernhsh gia metakinhsh ths ellhnikhs dynamhs poy yparxei, sto plaisio toy NATO, sto Afganistan, sthn pio epikindynh perioxh twn exqroprajiwn. Ayto qa to syzhthsete shmera h qa ginei antikeimeno toy KYSEA; Giati yparxoyn proqesmies gia ayto, poy prepei na apanthsoyme.

PETALWTHS: Otan yparjei sxetikh apofash, akoma kai gia syzhthsh, qa anakoinwqei.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Yparxei mia dhlwsh toy kyrioy Almoynia poy leei oti apaitoyntai ejairetika filodojes draseis apo tis ellhnikes Arxes kai megales diorqwtikes allages sto Asfalistiko kai tis ergasiakes sxeseis kai proteinei thn ayjhsh twn oriwn syntajiodothshs kai ola ayta poy anaferame prin gia tis ergasiakes sxeseis. Qa amfisbhthsei h ellhnikh kybernhsh tis ypodeijeis toy kyrioy Almoynia;

PETALWTHS: H Eyrwpaikh Enwsh qelei na petyxoyme kapoioys stoxoys. To pws qa petyxoyme aytoys toys stoxoys, einai diko mas qema. Opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws - alla kai epaneilhmmenws - h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei ekfrastei. Exoyme kapoies ajies, exoyme kapoioys ajones, toys opoioys den afhnoyme, prokeimenoy na ikanopoihqoyn kapoies systaseis. Mas endiaferei o telikos stoxos, giati einai qema dikaiosynhs kai to elleimma na meiwqei kai na diorqwqoyn oloi oi oikonomikoi deiktes. Alla, apo kai pera akoloyqoyme tis dikes mas politikes, kai me toys dikoys mas mhxanismoys, me ta ergaleia poy diaqetoyme ws kratos.

SEGKOS: Ep' aytoy kyrie Ekproswpe. Mhpws h kybernhsh krybetai pisw apo tis pieseis kai tis systaseis ths COMMISSION. Giati oles aytes oi apofaseis toy ECOFIN exoyn thn ypografh toy k. Papakwnstantinoy. Tis ypegrace.

PETALWTHS: Dhladh, na prospaqoyme na prokaloyme emeis tetoioy eidoys systaseis apo to ECOFIN, prokeimenoy na askhsoyme kapoies politikes. Ayto ennoeite;

SEGKOS: Oxi, den ennow ayto, alla yparxei ena keimeno, mia apofash toy ECOFIN poy anaferei oles aytes tis systaseis gia tis ergasiakes sxeseis. Ayto to keimeno einai apofash kai twn 27. O k. Papakwnstantinoy to ypegrace ayto to keimeno. Den efere kapoies enstaseis, otan syzhthqhke sto ECOFIN.

PETALWTHS: Oi systaseis toy ECOFIN einai systaseis kai oi ypeyqynes politikes ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs einai sygkekrimenes politikes.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Dhladh, den kaqorizetai apo thn ypografh toy k. Papakwnstantinoy se ena sygkekrimeno eggrafo toy ECOFIN poy proteinei sygkekrimena pragmata, poia qa einai h politikh ths kybernhshs to epomeno diasthma;

PETALWTHS: Egw sas eipa oti h ypeyqynh politikh askeitai me ton tropo poy askeitai.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Gnwrizete, mhpws, ean o Prwqypoyrgos exei steilei apanthtikh epistolh ston k. Erntogan se sxesh me thn prosklhsh poy toy exei apeyqynei kai tis protaseis poy toy exei qesei gia synanthsh koryfhs me sygkekrimenh atzenta. Exei apanthsei o k. Prwqypoyrgos;

PETALWTHS: Otan yparxei apanthsh, qa anakoinwqei.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite, alla apo th syzhthse den mporesa na to katalabw. H kybernhsh me ayth thn epitroph poy qa ftiajei gia ta qemata ths oikonomias, ti anazhta, politikes h poinikes eyqynes;

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa prohgoymenws kai eipa oti den yparxei kanena stoixeia poinikopoihshs ths politikhs zwhs. Opoy omws yparxoyn eyqynes - ean yparjoyn kai an proswpopoihqoyn aytes oi eyqynes - qa katalogistoyn mesa apo th diadikasia ths Boylhs.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Qelw na sas rwthsw se politika proswpa h as poyme kai se ypallhloys, stelexh ths Statistikhs Yphresias toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias. Epeidh, ayth h Epitroph den exei mesa eisaggelea. Ayto qelw na sas pw, oti einai politikh Epitroph. Ayth h ereyna apeyqynetai mono gia na katalhjei, as poyme, gia tis eyqynes politikwn proswpwn; Giati eipate oti qa diabibastei to porisma sth Boylh.

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws, qa diabibastei sth Boylh. Apo kei kai pera, an yparxoyn politika proswpa qa akoloyqhqei o dromos, etsi opws problepetai apo to Syntagma kai ton kanonismo ths Boylhs. Ean yparxoyn endeijeis gia emplokh mh politikwn proswpwn, yparxei mia diaforetikh diadikasia. Qa mporei na epilhfqei o opoios eisaggeleas, ean prokyptoyn, fysika, eyqynes gia mh politika proswpa. To kyriarxo qema einai na yparjei ena porisma, poy pragmatika na deixnei ean yparxoyn eyqynes kai an mporoyn na proswpopoihqoyn. Apo kei kai pera, oi odoi, oi opoies yparxoyn, einai gnwstes kai einai symfwna me ton nomo.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Proeklogika o Prwqypoyrgos miloyse gia politikes enisxyshs sthn prostasia ths apasxolhshs. To ECOFIN proteine eksygxronismo ths nomoqesias, dhladh arsh twn periorismwn poy tiqentai gia thn prostasia ths ergasias. Poia kateyqynsh telika qa akoloyqhsei h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: To armodio Ypoyrgeio Apasxolhshs qa ferei, se mikro xroniko diasthma, nomo poy qa ryqmizei tis ergasiakes sxeseis. Ekei, me thn gnwsth pleon diadikasia, qa lyqoyn ta zhthmata twn ergasiakwn sxesewn, etsi opws toylaxiston ta blepoyme ws kybernhsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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