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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 14 Maioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 201917949

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 14 Maioy 2009

JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Geia sas. Me sygxwreite gia thn kaqysterhsh, eixa paei sthn aponomh twn brabeiwn toy Idrymatos Mpotsh.

" Shmera, Pempth 14 Maioy, stis 17.30, opws exei anakoinwqei - - sas ypenqymizw oti prokeitai gia kati poy afora to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias - - qa pragmatopoihqei h synedriash ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs Eyrweklogwn, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh.

" Ayth thn wra oloklhrwnetai h synanthsh poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs me ton aperxomeno Geniko Grammatea toy NATO k. Sefer.

" Ayrio, opws exete plhroforhqei, stis 12.00 to meshmeri, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh, se plhrh synqesh.

A.PAPADHMHTRIOY: Poio qa einai to qema;

ANTWNAROS: Oikonomika qemata.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei ena eggrafo toy Nomikoy Symboylioy toy Kratoys, me to opoio to Ellhniko Dhmosio zhtaei parastash politikhs agwghs kai synomologei tis mizes ajiwmatoyxwn diaforwn ypoyrgeiwn toy ellhnikoy kratoys, kaqws kai politikwn twn dyo megalyterwn ellhnikwn kommatwn, apo ta mayra tameia ths Siemens. Qa hqela kat arxhn ena sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei topoqethsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias, apo xqes to brady, h opoia einai jekaqarh. Den synomologeitai tipote apo ayta ta opoia anaferate. Osoi gnwrizoyn nomika - -den qelw na kanw kanena ypainigmo- - antilambanontai peri tinos prokeitai. To eggrafo ayto exei nomiko periexomeno kai den prepei na toy apodidetai kamia politikh shmasia.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o aplos poliths omws poy den gnwrizei nomika...

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai h dikh sas ypoxrewsh...

FANIDHS: ... katalabainei oti gnwrizate oloi ti synebaine. Ayto einai ena symperasma...

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti h dikh sas ypoxrewsh, h ypoxrewsh twn dhmosiografwn, ths ypeyqynhs dhmosiografias kai ths enhmerwshs, einai akribws na ejhghsei peri tinos prokeitai. Ayto einai ena eggrafo to opoio afora sthn parastash politikhs agwghs toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy. Ginetai pantote se periptwseis opoy to ellhniko Dhmosio prepei na parastei. Loipon, ayth einai dikh sas apostolh, na to ejhghsete dhladh. Egw sas ejhghsa, anaferomenos sthn anakoinwsh toy armodioy Ypoyrgeioy xqes, peri tinos prokeitai.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh eipate oti prokeitai gia ena nomiko zhthma, wstoso den exei th barythta toy, apo th stigmh poy to Dhmosio htan ekeino to opoio paresth ws politikh agwgh;

ANTWNAROS: Molis ejhghsa peri tinos prokeitai. H xqesinh anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias leei ta ejhs: H parastash politikhs agwghs toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy egine pros yperaspish twn symferontwn toy kai aplws perigrafei th dikh sthn opoia ayto paristatai. Opoiadhpote allh ermhneia toy dikografoy, idiws de ekeinh poy anaferetai se dhqen apodoxh kathgoriwn, einai pantelws anypostath.

KAKALHS: Pws ejhgeite to gegonos oti sthn epikairothta ejakoloyqei na kyriarxei h skandalologia, enw h kybernhsh ypotiqetai oti ekleise th Boylh gia na apotrecei ayto to endexomeno;

ANTWNAROS: Egw blepw oti ekeino to opoio kyriarxei olo kai perissotero, se polla tmhmata ths epikairothtas kai se polla tmhmata ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs, para thn apelpida, apegnwsmenh prospaqeia toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, einai h syzhthsh gia ta pragmatika problhmata twn politwn, gia ta pragmatika problhmata toy topoy, gia ta problhmata ths oikonomias, gia ta zhthmata poy apasxoloyn pragmatika ton polith.

A.PAPADHMHTRIOY: Qelw na epanelqw sto eggrafo toy Nomikoy Symboylioy: Den exei entonotates politikes proektaseis ayto, apo th stigmh poy to apodexetai oysiastika to Nomiko Symboylio oti yphrjan...

ANTWNAROS: Ma, molis sas ejhghsa peri tinos prokeitai. To Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys, o ekproswpos toy Nomikoy Symboylioy paristatai ek meroys toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy gia sygkekrimena pragmata. Den exei kamia politikh diastash.

PALAIOLOGOS: Jerete omws, epeidh anaferqhkate prohgoymenws sto synadelfo na diabazei kai ton Typo kai ta prwtoselida, allh einai h ermhneia poy dinei kai o Typos kai orismenoi nomikoi...

ANTWNAROS: Gi' ayto eimai egw edw, gia na sas ejhgw...

PALAIOLOGOS: Akribws. Nomizw, oti an exete diabasei kai tis efhmerides yparxei mia diastash, qa elega plhrhs, se sxesh me ayta poy lete eseis, ypobaqmizontas to mono se ena nomiko shmeiwma kai apo thn allh (den akoygetai) politikes proektaseis. H ermhneia poy toy dinoyn einai oti htan se gnwsh toy Dhmosioy, enos dhmosioy forea kai an qymamai kala, to Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys einai gnwmodotikos symboylos toy kratoys, ara to Dhmosio eixe apoch gi' ayth thn istoria ths Siemens.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa. Htan jekaqaro. Kai egw akoysa polloys nomikoys oi opoioi ermhneyoyn ta pragmata, symfwna me ayta poy sas eipa. Kai ayth einai h monh, h jekaqarh, h antapokrinomenh sta pragmata, ermhneia. Den yparxei kamia allh. Qa to deite allwste kai sth diadromh ths ypoqeshs, ean xreiastei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Tote h allh parametros, ptyxh estw kai qa elega poy eixe xarakthra astynomiko eite ntetektibistiko, to oti ayto to eggrafo xaqhke sto fwtotypiko gia kanena mhna, poy to apodidete eseis;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw tetoies leptomereies. Aytes einai endexomenws dikes sas plhrofories, tis opoies den epiqymw na syzhthsw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dhmosieyontai ston Typo.

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio qelw na sas pw einai oti ola ta dhmosia eggrafa (oles oi parastaseis k.t.l. einai dhmosia eggrafa), einai gnwsta. Den krybontai, opws lete eseis, gia na xrhsimopoihsw th dikh sas ekfrash.

KAKALHS: Epeidh qelete na pate stis eyrwekloges me politikoys oroys kai gia ta pragmatika problhmata toy topoy, pws sxoliazete ta stoixeia toy OOSA oti h forologia gia th mesh ellhnikh oikogeneia ayjhqhke kata 50% thn periodo 2004-2008;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw ta sygkekrimena stoixeia. Qa moy epitrecete na ta dw mexri ayrio h argotera...

KAKALHS: (den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw ean ta stoixeia ta opoia moy proskomizete einai synolika...

KAKALHS: Xqesino dhmosieyma einai.

ANTWNAROS: Egw ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oti exoyn meiwqei shmantika oi forologikoi syntelestes gia toys Ellhnes polites. Ayta einai pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh kai ayto to gnwrizoyn oloi.

KAKALHS: Sygnwmh, (den akoygetai) timariqmopoihqei h forologikh klimaka kai gi` ayto to logo ayjhqhke h forologikh epibarynsh.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, agnoeite oti to poso toy aforologhtoy ayjhqhke epi ths qhteias ths shmerinhs kybernhshs apo 10.000 se 12.000 eyrw.

KAKALHS: (den akoygetai) kamposa xronia.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto kalyptei, an moy epitrecete na to pw - -den einai episthmonika apolytws orqo- - toys plhqwrismoys pollwn etwn.

SANTAMOYRHS: Sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy poio xarakthra exei akribws h symmetoxh twn Yfypoyrgwn se sxesh me thn oikonomia poy qa syzhthqei;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai ti ennoia prospaqeite na apodwsete. Kai sthn prohgoymenh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, an qymamai kala, htan parontes oi Yfypoyrgoi.

KAKALHS: Epeidh milame me politikoys oroys panta mprosta stis eyrwekloges, qa peite ston ellhniko lao ti exei apoginei me to paketo twn 28 dis pros tis trapezes, pws exei fqasei ayth h reystothta sta noikokyria kai stis mikromesaies epixeirhseis; Einai tesseris mhnes poy ylopoieitai kai tipota den exete anakoinwsei.

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme dwsei arketa stoixeia. Gnwrizete oti kai oi pistwseis didontai - -sas lew, gia mia akomh fora, oxi me to ryqmo poy qa qelame, oxi me thn taxythta poy emeis qa qelame- - alla eimai bebaios oti sthn oikonomia ta pragmata kinoyntai.

Ektos toytoy, sas ypenqymizw oti exoyn doqei sthn prwth fash ths efarmoghs sthrijhs toy TEMPME, dhladh toy Tameioy Eggyodosias, poy dinei to Tameio Eggyodosias pros tis mikres kai poly mikres epixeirhseis, shmantikotatos ariqmos daneiwn, an qymamai kala 27.000. Exei mpei, hdh, se efarmogh h deyterh fash. Ayth einai mia gigantia, poly megalh prospaqeia poy ginetai, wste na enisxyqoyn kai ta noikokyria kai oi epixeirhseis kai h oikonomia synolika.

GKATSIOS: Mas eipate prohgoymenws oti to qema poy qa apasxolhsei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio einai kyriws h oikonomia.

ANTWNAROS: Malista. Qemata oikonomias.

GKATSIOS: Qa yparxei kapoio mhnyma toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros toys Ypoyrgoys kai toys Yfypoyrgoys, oson afora stis eyrwekloges;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eipwqei ayrio, na eiste bebaios oti qa to plhroforhqeite.

PALAIOLOGOS: Yparxei ena erwthma. Gia poio logo den synedriase to Politiko Symboylio shmera kai synedriase h Kentrikh Epitroph Eyrweklogwn;

ANTWNAROS: Gi` ayto to qema, prepei na apeyqynqeite sto komma ths Neas Dhmokratias.

PALAIOLOGOS: To lew, giati yparxoyn dhmosieymata kai didontai ermhneies oti den qa hqele na exei mprosta toy sthn paroysia toy Politikoy Symboylioy orismena koryfaia stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias, metajy allwn ton k. Boylgarakh.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti gia qemata poy aforoyn th leitoyrgia kommatikwn organwn qa prepei na apeyqynqeite sto komma ths Neas Dhmokratias, to opoio opws gnwrizete apo xqes, gia th diarkeia ths proeklogikhs periodoy exei ekproswpo thn boyleyth Epikrateias k. Febrwnia Patrianakoy.

KAKALHS: Lete oti h prwth egnoia sas einai h antimetwpish twn synepeiwn ths krishs, alla me to kleisimo ths Boylhs yparxoyn parenergeies, oson afora thn antimetwpish kapoiwn qematwn poy eixate pei oti qa aforoyn thn krish, as poyme tis eggyhseis gia ta stegastika daneia, to paketo gia th sthrijh ths oikonomikhs drasthriothtas, ta opoia twra pane pote;

ANTWNAROS: Molis epanaleitoyrghsei h Boylh ola ayta ta qemata qa egkriqoyn. Ayta aforoyn, opws antilambaneste omws, th leitoyrgia ths Boylhs. Den qa sas apanthsw egw gia qemata poy aforoyn th leitoyrgia ths Boylhs.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas apanthsete isws giati h energeia ayth toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia kleisimo ths Boylhs apodokimazetai apo thn pleiochfia ths koinhs gnwmhs, h opoia pisteyei oti to ekane gia na sygkalycei skandala;

ANTWNAROS: Kakws epikratei, an epikratei - -poy den to pisteyw- - ayth h entypwsh.

KAKALHS: Den eidate ta gkalop;

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti den kanw kanena sxolio gia dhmoskophseis. Den kanw pote kai den prokeitai na kanw oyte kai shmera. Ean eseis thn krish sas th diamorfwnetai diabazontas kapoioys ariqmoys, einai dikaiwma sas. Den qelw na amfisbhthsw ayto to dikaiwma sas. Egw aplws den to kanw. Eimai bebaios oti oi polites, h megalh pleiochfia twn politwn, antilambanontai ola osa eipame tis teleytaies hmeres me tropo jekaqaro. Kai h megalh pleiochfia twn politwn endiaferetai pragmatika na odeysei, na bhmatisei h xwra pros tis ekloges mesa sta plaisia enos ygioys, paragwgikoy, epoikodomhtikoy politikoy dialogoy.

Ayto prepei na einai to endiaferon, to symferon olwn twn politikwn dynamewn toy topoy.

ZORMPA: Dhladh na ypoqesoyme k. Ekproswpe, oti h kybernhsh qewrei, mallon, oti epeteyxqh o stoxos toy aifnidioy kleisimatos ths Boylhs poy den htan allos apo thn epanafora ths epikairothtas sta pragmatika problhmata kai sthn poreia pros tis Eyrwekloges me politikoys oroys.

ANTWNAROS: Prwton: Den yphrje to stoixeio ayto to opoio eipate, epeidh polloi isxyrizontai diafora pragmata. H Boylh syzhthse diejodika ola ta ekkremh qemata, ta opoia eixe mprosta ths. Synepws, den yparxoyn enwpion ths Boylhs, opws isxyrizontai kapoioi ceydws, ekkremeis ypoqeseis.

Deyteron: H megalh pleiochfia twn politwn symmerizetai, symbadizei me thn apoch oti kaqws plhsiazei h hmeromhnia twn eklogwn, oles oi syzhthseis prepei na ginontai me kaqara politikoys oroys gia ta qemata poy endiaferoyn pragmatika, oysiastika, toys Ellhnes polites.

SANTAMOYRHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti oi polites qeloyn enan proeklogiko epoikodomhtiko dialogo. To erwthma einai, se ayto to plaisio den qa mporoyse na pragmatopoihqei mia thleoptikh anametrhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei ayto poy sas eipa proxqes. Den blepoyme to logo giati qa eprepe na mhn isxysoyn, na mhn efarmostoyn kai ayth th fora osa isxysan stis perasmenes eyrwekloges.

KAKALHS: Epibebaiwnete thn plhroforia oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa apeyqynei xairetismo sth Lesxh Mpiltempergk;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw, ayth th stigmh, kati na sas anakoinwsw.

KAKALHS: Qa doqei sth dhmosiothta to keimeno toy xairetismoy;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn orismenoi kanones. Oi kanones aytoi isxyoyn gia oloys.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exete na kanete kapoio sxolio gia thn ethsia ekqesh toy ASEP symfwna me ton opoio, metajy allwn, kataggellei kai prospaqeia paramerismoy toy apo thn kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Egw alliws th diabasa thn ekqesh.

FANIDHS: Profanws th diabazoyme diaforetika. Eipate einai qema...

ANTWNAROS: Se orismenoys foreis, kyriws ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs, epirriptetai h eyqynh oti den throyntai orismenes proypoqeseis. Den qelw omws na symmeristw kati apo ayta ta opoia diabazw ston Typo. Qa hqela gia ayta ta qemata na sas parakalesw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, poy exei kai thn plhrh, sfairikh eikona toy qematos. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oti oson afora tis proslhceis ston Dhmosio Tomea, gia ton opoio exei thn eyqynh h kybernhsh, ta krithria einai apolytws ajiokratika. Ayto kaneis den mporei na to amfisbhthsei. Toso ajiokratika, oso den htan pote allote sth sygxronh ellhnikh istoria.

KAKALHS: Den sas entypwsiazei to gegonos oti proselhfqhsan me diagwnismo katw apo to 1%. To 1% peripoy twn proslhfqentwn, egine me diagwnismo. Ta ypoloipa pws eggywntai thn ajiokratia kai thn...

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den gnwrizw ta stoixeia. Synepws, den mporw na sxoliasw epi stoixeiwn, ta opoia moy paraqetete edw.

Sas eyxaristw.

" Logw ths ayrianhs synedriashs toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, h enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn kai twn antapokritwn jenoy Typoy, den qa pragmatopoihqei. H epomenh enhmerwsh qa pragmatopoihqei, thn Deytera 18 Aprilioy 2009.

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