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Trith, 12 Maioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 201664742

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 12 Maioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

" Oloklhrwqhke, prin apo ligo, sto Megaro Majimoy, h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh me qema thn Chfiakh Sygklish. To aneptyje se olh toy thn ektash kai se baqos, o armodios Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Giannhs Papaqanasioy. O k. Papaqanasioy ekane syntomes dhlwseis meta thn oloklhrwsh ths synedriashs ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai qa paraxwrhsei - -ej oswn gnwrizw- - kai sxetikh synenteyjh Typoy.

Qa hqela na pw liges koybentes gia to sygkekrimeno qema, sto opoio allwste, opws gnwrizete, exw anaferqei kai arketes fores sto parelqon.

Apo to Martio toy 2004, th xronia dhladh poy jekinhse h ejygiansh toy safws apajiwmenoy mexri tote programmatos ``Koinwnia ths Plhroforias'' - -kai idiaitera meta apo to 2006, poy arxise me poly gorga kai oysiastika bhmata h efarmogh ths Chfiakhs Strathgikhs poy katartise kai ylopoiei h shmerinh kybernhsh- - h Ellada allaje drastika poreia kai kineitai dynamika pros thn Chfiakh Sygklish me tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Qymaste asfalws oti, opws sas eixa pei kai alles fores, eixame meinei tote poly pisw. Briskomastan sxedon se mhdeniko shmeio. H proodos ths Chfiakhs Elladas ta teleytaia xronia antikatoptrizetai se oloys toys deiktes, eite aytoi aforoyn stoys polites, eite stis epixeirhseis, eite sth Dhmosia Dioikhsh. Kai anaferomai stoys treis megaloys tomeis poy exei amesh epiptwsh h prowqhsh ths chfiakhs sygklishs.

H Ellada einai shmera, oson afora toys ryqmoys, prwth sthn Eyrwph sthn anaptyjh ths eyryzwnikothtas. Ayto dhladh poy leme apla, grhgoro internet. H epilogh ths kybernhshs gia apeleyqerwsh ths agoras twn hlektronikwn epikoinwniwn to 2006 kai h ylopoihsh enos megaloy sxedioy gia thn ``Anaptyjh ths Eyryzwnikothtas'' synolikoy ycoys 450 ekatommyriwn eyrw ews to 2009, eferan to 2006 thn Ellada sthn prwth qesh pagkosmiws sthn anaptyjh ths eyryzwnikothtas, symfwna me tis epishmes dieqneis anafores. H idia poreia synexisthke kai to 2007 me thn Ellada ekth pagkosmiws kai prwth metajy twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, ston ethsio ryqmo anaptyjhs ths eyryzwnikothtas, enw to 2008, thn teleytaia xronia dhladh poy oloklhrwqhke, h poreia ayth synexisthke me analogoys ryqmoys kai h Ellada brisketai sthn prwth dekada twn xwrwn sxetika me thn anaptyjh ths eyryzwnikothtas pagkosmiws.

Apo mia idiaitera akribh xwra stis eyryzwnikes syndeseis, opws htan h Ellada to Martio toy 2004, shmera oi mhniaies times eyryzwnikhs syndeshs ADSL briskontai sto meso oro twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs exontas meiwqei kata pososto poy yperbainei to 85%. Se o,ti afora de tis taxythtes prosbashs sthn Ellada, h mesh onomastikh taxythta anejarthta toy typoy DSL syndeshs, anerxetai sta 5,9 Mb ana deyterolepto. Ayto katatassei th xwra mas sthn ekth qesh anamesa stis 27 xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Ayta einai stoixeia toy Ianoyarioy toy 2008.

Epipleon thn 1h Ianoyarioy toy 2009, dhladh fetos stis arxes toy xronoy, metrhqhke oti to 43,5% twn syndromhtwn ADSL sthn Ellada exoyn syndeseis me onomastikh taxythta prosbashs megalyterh twn 2 Mb/s. Etsi h dieisdysh toy grhgoroy internet ston plhqysmo ftanei shmera to 13,4% enanti molis 0,1% stis arxes toy 2004. Qymaste oti kai se palaioteres enhmerwseis sas eixa pei gi` ayto to idiaitera xamhlo pososto poy yphrxe stis arxes toy 2004.

Drastikh einai epishs h beltiwsh ths xrhshs twn newn texnologiwn apo polites kai noikokyria, kyriws bebaia, opws antilambaneste, apo atoma neoterwn hlikiwn poy exoyn kai megalyterh ejoikeiwsh me tis nees texnologies. Exei omws endiaferon oti olo kai perissoteroi anqrwpoi oi opoioi exoyn perasei, exoyn afhsei pisw toys th foithtikh hlikia, ejoikeiwnontai me thn prosbash stis nees texnologies. Tis xrhsimopoioyn, dieykolynontai kaqhmerina kai sth doyleia toys kai sthn idiwtikh toys zwh. Den yparxei pia ayto poy legame chfiako xasma stis nearoteres hlikies sygkritika me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

Opws sas eipa, ta stoixeia qa sas ta dwsei to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias. Qa hqela, omws, epigrammatika na anaferqw epishs sthn proodo poy exei epiteyxqei ston idio tomea kai oson afora stis ellhnikes epixeirhseis kai oso afora stis hlektronikes synallages me th Dhmosia Dioikhsh.

Eidikotera stis ellhnikes epixeirhseis:

" To chfiako profil twn ellhnikwn epixeirhsewn poy apasxoloyn panw apo 10 ergazomenoys einai pleon antistoixo aytoy toy profil poy yparxei kai stis alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Se ayth thn kathgoria to 99% twn apasxoloymenwn xrhsimopoiei hlektronikoys ypologistes, enw to 97% exei pleon prosbash sto diadiktyo.

" Shmantikh ayjhsh emfanizei epishs kai to pososto twn epixeirhsewn me eyryzwnikh syndesh poy ayjhqhke apo 30%, poy htan to 2004, se 83% poy einai shmera.

" Telos, qa hqela na epishmanw oti 19% twn politwn xrhsimopoioyn shmera to diadiktyo gia tis synallages toys me tis dhmosies yphresies, enanti ligotero apo 8% poy htan ayto to pososto to 2004. To de pososto twn epixeirhsewn poy apasxoloyn panw apo 10 ergazomenoys kai synallassontai hlektronika me toys dhmosioys foreis, aggizei to 81%.

Ola ayta deixnoyn oti exoyn ginei gorges, apotelesmatikes, oysiastikes kinhseis pros th swsth kateyqynsh. H Ellada eixe meinei poly pisw. To xasma to opoio eixe dhmioyrghqei, phrame apofash egkairws na to kalycoyme. Kai xwris na exoyme fqasei sto teliko poqhto apotelesma, exoyme kanei ws xwra - -kai ayto einai poly shmantiko- - poly grhgora, poly oysiastika bhmata, etsi wste kai h dikh mas koinwnia na prosarmostei stis nees texnologies poy mas aforoyn oloys, mas bohqoyn oloys kai bohqoyn to koinwniko synolo na eksygxronistei, na einai pio apodotiko, na kanei xrhsh olwn twn dynatothtwn poy paroysiazoyn shmera oi episthmes.

" Qa hqela, epishs, na epishmanw dhlwseis toy Ypoyrgoy Anaptyjhs k. Kwsth Xatzhdakh kai toy Yfypoyrgoy Anaptyjhs k. Giwrgoy Blaxoy, oi opoioi anaferqhkan sthn ejelijh twn timwn kyriws ston tomea toy deikth timwn katanalwth, opoy ta pragmata ejelissontai - -opws eipe o Ypoyrgos k. Xatzhdakhs- - se genikes grammes ikanopoihtika.

Sto deikth timwn katanalwth, apotypwnetai mia sygklish toy deikth gia ta trofima me to genikotero deikth. Alla kai sth sxesh, opws eipe o k. Xatzhdakhs, me th symfwnia poy exei ginei me ta soyper market, yparxoyn qetikes ejelijeis.

Synolika, paroysiasthkan apo ton Ypoyrgo kai ton Yfypoyrgo oi ejelijeis sto deikth se sxesh me 160 proionta prwths anagkhs. Kai sthn paroysiash poy egine, diapistwqhke oti ton Aprilio toy 2009, gia prwth fora shmeiwnontai meiwseis timwn se sxesh me kapoion prohgoymeno mhna, en prokeimenw to Martio toy 2009.

Enw dhladh gia arketoys mhnes eixame sxetikes ayjhseis, gia prwth fora twra ton Aprilio toy 2009, exoyme meiwseis ths tajhs toy 0,2% se ayta ta proionta poy einai proionta prwths anagkhs - -to epanalambanw ayto kai to ypogrammizw- - se sxesh me to Martio toy 2009. H parakoloyqhsh twn timwn qa ginetai apo tis armodies yphresies ths ellhnikhs Politeias synexws se 2.000 katasthmata lianemporioy. Kai sthn parakoloyqhsh twn timwn qa perilambanontai kai epwnyma kai idiwtikhs etiketas proionta. Thn parakoloyqhsh qa thn kanei h Eqnikh Statistikh Yphresia, basei ths opoias kaqe mhna to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs qa anakoinwnei to deikth ayths ths sygkekrimenhs omadas poy sas eipa. Omadas, dhladh, proiontwn kaqhmerinhs xrhshs, prwths anagkhs, poy einai fysiko na endiaferoyn oloys h th megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn katanalwtwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SANTAMOYRHS: Apo ayta poy anaferate k. Ekproswpe, qa mporoyse na synagei kapoios oti exoyme beltiwseis se kapoia oikonomika megeqh kai oti xtizontai synqhkes gia na exoyme kai argotera tetoies beltiwseis. Na ypoqesoyme oti ola ayta qa symbaloyn, wste ta metra ta opoia qa anakoinwqoyn meta apo tis eyrwekloges qa einai pio elafra apo oso perimenoyme;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati sxetika me to qema gia to opoio me rwtate. Ekeino to opoio ekana molis, einai na paroysiasw xeiropiastes ejelijeis pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh, oi opoies yparxoyn se ena sygkekrimeno tomea: Ston tomea ths ejelijhs twn timwn gia toys katanalwtes, enan tomea poy einai fysiko oti endiaferei - -opws eipa kai prohgoymenws- - oloys toys Ellhnes polites.

SANTAMOYRHS: Apo pleyras PASOK yparxei mia protash gia debate toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Papandreoy. Yparxei apanthsh ep` aytoy h kapoies skeceis;

ANTWNAROS: Den blepoyme to logo giati na mhn efarmostoyn kai se aytes tis eyrwekloges ayta poy eixan efarmostei, osa eixan isxysei dhladh, stis prohgoymenes eyrwekloges. Menw ekei.

SWTHRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, apo thn apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy na kleisei aifnidiastika th Boylh thn Paraskeyh to brady, fainetai oti aifnidiasthkan kai oi Ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs kai feretai na eipan oti qa eprepe na exoyn enhmerwqei. Dhmioyrghqhke ena klima, opws epishs dhmioyrghqhke kai ena klima akomh kai se boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias poy dhmioyrgei kapoies dysarestes entypwseis apo ayto to kleisimo, giati qewrhsan oti qa dwsoyn trofh gia sxolia sthn antipoliteysh. Ena sxolio, parakalw.

ANTWNAROS: Na epishmanw kati aplo: Topoqethqhka, opws gnwrizete, sxedon amesws, meta thn ypografh toy sxetikoy diatagmatos, opws problepei to Syntagma, apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai ligo meta apo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, thn Paraskeyh to brady.

Einai safes ayto to opoio eipa: Emas, thn kybernhsh, to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias, mas endiaferei na badisoyme pros tis eyrwekloges me kaqara politikoys oroys. Oles oi syzhthseis prepei na ginoyn gyrw apo ta politika qemata, gyrw apo ta oysiastika politika qemata kai ta qemata poy apasxoloyn pragmatika toys Ellhnes polites. Kai den blepw giati orismenoi deixnoyn megalh dyskolia na metasxoyn se ayth th syzhthsh, ektos kai an exoyn allh atzenta.

TSIOYFOS: An o logos gia ton opoio apofasisthke to kleisimo ths Boylhs htan aytos poy proanaferate, dierwtwmai kai erwtw kai esas fysika, giati tote den apofasisthke h diakoph twn ergasiwn ths Boylhs mexri tis eyrwekloges, opws mporoyse na to kanei h kybernhsh kai opws exei ginei kai sto parelqon kai phgame sto kleisimo ths Boylhs.

ANTWNAROS: Egw aporw gia kati allo. Giati kapoioi den sebontai thn efarmogh twn diatajewn toy Syntagmatos;

TSIOYFOS: Mporeite na to jekaqarisete;

ANTWNAROS: Menw se ayto poy sas eipa. Egw sas lew to skeptiko, basei toy opoioy o Prwqypoyrgos kanontas xrhsh dikaiwmatos to opoio periexetai sto Syntagma, apofasise th diakoph twn ergasiwn ths Boylhs.

Profanws kapoioi alloi - -to epanalambanw- - qeloyn na ejyphrethsoyn th dikh toys politikh atzenta. Qeloyn na skandalologoyn synexws, qeloyn na laspologoyn synexws. Qeloyn na kataballoyn apelpismenes prospaqeies gia na poinikopoioyn, xwris bash, thn politikh zwh toy topoy gia na eytelizoyn toys qesmoys.

Emeis den qa symprajoyme se ayth thn apelpismenh, thn agwniwdh prospaqeia thn opoia kanoyn orismenoi.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to zhthma einai to jafniko ths olhs ypoqeshs. Dhladh, otan koryfaia stelexh, Ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs den gnwrizan oti qa kleisei h Boylh, malista o antiproedros ths Boylhs k. Soyrlas - -kai polloi alloi, bebaia, alla stekomai ston k. Soyrla- - eipe oti enhmerwqhke apo emas, apo ta MME, ayto pws mporeite na to ejhghsete; Pros ti, dhladh, h jafnikh apofash;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton: Opws gnwrizete, den qa sxoliasw, opws den sxoliazw pote, dhlwseis boyleytwn. Poly perissotero, den sxoliazw, de, anwnymes dhlwseis.

Deyteron: Fantazomai oti kai eseis qa exete akoysei peri diakrishs twn ejoysiwn sto dhmokratiko mas Politeyma. H apofash, einai apofash ths ektelestikhs ejoysias. Ayto problepetai safws apo to Syntagma.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, egw qelw na sas rwthsw gia kati allo, gia thn ypoqesh ths Siemens, me aformh kai ena dhmosieyma thn Kyriakh sthn efhmerida Free Sunday . Dhmosieyqhke, loipon, h pro etoys kataqesh toy k. Xristoforakoy. Ekei, loipon, h prwhn dieyqynwn symboylos ths etaireias epibebaiwse thn kataqesh ths grammatews toy, ths k. Tsakaloy, gia thn politikh ths etaireias, opws epi lejei leei o k. Xristoforakos, na ekteloyntai dwrean paraggelies epwnymwn, oi gnwstes se oloys mas oikoskeyes. Ayto poy qelw na sas rwthsw, einai pws sxoliazei, poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs sthn kataqesh ayths, pio sygkekrimena sthn politikh ths Siemens na dwrizei oikiakes syskeyes se boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, metajy twn opoiwn htan kai h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Ntora Mpakogiannh.

ANTWNAROS: Prwton: Ola ayta ta qemata exoyn apanthqei, opws gnwrizete, sto parelqon.

Deyteron: Bebaiws den prokeitai, se kamia periptwsh, na sxoliasw thn ereyna mias ypoqeshs, h opoia brisketai se ejelijh enwpion ths ellhnikhs Dikaiosynhs.

SANTAMOYRHS: Ean apo thn proeklogikh periodo, kat` arxhn kai apo tis ekloges fanei oti oi polites emmenoyn perissotero sthn atzenta poy prowqei to PASOK, symfwna me thn ektimhsh sas kai oxi se ayto poy h kybernhsh onomazei ``basika problhmata gia ton polith'', ti mhnyma qa eisprajei h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na apanthsw se senaria. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oti se ligotero apo ena mhna exoyme eyrwekloges. Qa prepei, loipon, sto dromo gia tis eyrwekloges, opws ginetai se kaqe eklogikh diadikasia, ton prwteyonta rolo ston politiko dialogo na exei akribws o politikos logos. Oyte h parapolitikh, oyte senaria - -kai den anaferomai se esas- - oyte qemata ta opoia kapoioi eikazoyn oti yparxoyn, oyte h prospaqeia orismenwn na apoprosanatolisoyn thn koinh gnwmh apo ayta me ta opoia pragmatika h koinh gnwmh asxoleitai.

H koinh gnwmh, oi Ellhnes polites exoyn ekfrastei polles fores gia to ti einai ayto poy pragmatika toys endiaferei.

TSIOYFOS: Qa moy epitrecete na epanelqw sthn prohgoymenh erwthsh moy, giati egw den eqesa qema syntagmatikhs nomimothtas gia th sygkekrimenh apofash. Eseis moy apanthsate peri syntagmatikhs leitoyrgias. Egw rwthsa, giati h kybernhsh, efoson mporoyse, eixe to dikaiwma an qelete na diakocei tis ergasies ths Boylhs ews tis eyrwekloges, gia na apofeygetai, opws eipate, ayth h syzhthsh h opoia ginetai to teleytaio diasthma, den ekane ayto, na proxwrhsei dhladh sth diakoph twn ergasiwn ths Boylhs, alla apofasise to teleiwma ths sygkekrimenhs Synodoy, poy shmainei kai kati peraiterw. Oti an erqei kapoia ypoqesh sto diasthma pleon apo edw kai sto ejhs sth Boylh, den qa mporesei na diereynhqei apo th Boylh. Yparxei paragrafh toy opoioy prokycei. Allo, omws, sas rwthsa. Den sas rwthsa, omws, ayto. Lew, giati den kanate thn epilogh na diakocete tis ergasies ths Boylhs mexri tis eyrwekloges kai na jekinhsei meta.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos ekane xrhsh enos syntagmatikoy toy dikaiwmatos, to opoio, opws gnwrizete, tis prwtes wres, kapoioi poly eyejaptoi toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs espeysan na to xarakthrisoyn me sklhra logia.

TSIOYFOS: Ma, den moy apantate.

ANTWNAROS: Afhste me na apanthsw. Qa moy epitrecete na apanthsw, opws qelw egw; Espeysan, loipon, kapoioi apo to xwro ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs na to xarakthrisoyn me sklhra logia ``syntagmatikh ektroph'', ``qesmikh anwmalia'', eipan, kai kati tetoia. Meta apo ligo, ta logia ayta ta katapian.

Kai ta katapian gia enan poly aplo logo: Dioti, qesmikh ektroph kanoyn ekeinoi, oi opoioi den sebontai thn efarmogh twn diatajewn toy Syntagmatos kai tis ermhneyoyn kata to dokoyn, opws toys boleyei.

H kybernhsh edrase me apolyto sebasmo sth syntagmatikh nomimothta, me apolyto sebasmo stoys qesmoys. Kai kalo qa kanoyn ekeinoi, oi opoioi prospaqoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn esfalmenes entypwseis, na organwqoyn an toys endiaferei, an exoyn thn ikanothta - -poy amfisbhtw an exoyn thn ikanothta- - kai na epejergastoyn ena pragmatiko programma, ena pragmatiko sxedio gia ta zhthmata poy, opws eipa, apasxoloyn pragmatika toys Ellhnes polites.

Kai na mhn prospaqoyn - -kai anaferomai sto komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, gia na mhn yparxei kamia amfisbhthsh- - me diafora ewla, anoysia, epixeirhmata xwris bash, na apoprosanatolisoyn apo thn oysia ths dikhs toys aneparkeias, ths dikhs toys anikanothtas, ths dikhs toys endeias se idees kai protaseis. Dioti ayto to kanoyn synexws kai den peiqoyn pia kanenan.

TSIOYFOS: Allo rwthsa, allo moy apanthsate gia deyterh fora.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

SANTAMOYRHS: H kybernhsh lete oti qa epikentrwsei sta oysiastika gia ton polith, apo thn allh pleyra diathreite poly ychloys tonoys ws kybernhsh ennow. Pws qa prepei na to ejhghsoyme ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Egw den diapistwnw kamia allagh sth stash olwn mas. Diapistwseis kanw antiqeta. Epishmanseis. Kai den qa prepei na pisteyei kaneis oti qa menoyme siwphloi, den qa leme poia einai h alhqeia stoys Ellhnes polites.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh to teleytaio diasthma balletai to politiko systhma, balletai ek twn endon, apejw. Eginan dyo parembaseis. H mia xqes apo ton Proedro toy SEB ton k. Daskalopoylo, o opoios milhse gia kommatiko kratos grosso modo, ballontas kata toy politikoy systhmatos kai twn politikwn. Kai shmera yphrxe toy prwhn Proedroy ths Dhmokratias toy k. Stefanopoyloy mia parembash, o opoios epishs milhse gia thn atimwrhsia twn politikwn, pera apo thn protash toy gia toys boyleytes, oi boyleytes pleon na mhn anerxontai se 300, alla se 200 ariqmhtika. Se sxesh me ta peri atimwrhsias twn politikwn kai peri kommatikoy kratoys, poia einai h stash ths kybernhshs; Qewrei oti exei eyqynh gia th diamorfwsh aytoy toy metapoliteytikoy skhnikoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den perimenete fysika na sxoliasw thn topoqethsh kaqe forea. Ayto den to kanw pote.

GKATSIOS: Epeidh anaferqhkate stis eyrwekloges poy plhsiazoyn, qa hqela na rwthsw poios einai o phxys poy exei qesei h kybernhsh gi` aytes tis eyrwekloges;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei polles fores gi` ayto to qema. Exw milhsei kai gia thn oysia kai gia to nohma kai gia to antikeimeno poy exoyn oi eyrwekloges. Stoxos ths Neas Dhmokratias, opws einai se kaqe eklogikh anametrhsh, etsi kai s aythn einai na anadeijoyme, na paroysiasoyme thn politikh mas. Na anadeijoyme, na paroysiasoyme to programma mas poy brisketai se plhrh efarmogh. Na anadeijoyme kai na paroysiasoyme ta wfelhmata poy exoyn oi Ellhnes polites kai h koinwnia synolika apo thn efarmogh twn politikwn mas.

Eimai bebaios oti oi Ellhnes polites sthn pleiochfia toys qa epilejoyn tis dynameis ths politikhs eyqynhs kai ths ypeyqynothtas poy einai h Nea Dhmokratia kai h kybernhsh toy Kwsta Karamanlh. Kai qa strecoyn thn plath stis dynameis toy politikoy laikismoy kai ths politikhs aneyqynothtas poy ekfrazontai apo to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sth synexeia toy erwthmatos toy synadelfoy kai dedomenoy toy skhnikoy polwshs me to opoio poreyomaste pros tis eyrwekloges, qelw na rwthsw ean ejakoloyqei to politiko diakybeyma twn eyrweklogwn na einai idies oi eyrwekloges opws peripoy pro enos mhnos eixate pei apo aythn edw thn aiqoysa.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka prin apo ligo. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

KATSABOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gnwrizw oti den parembainete sta eswterika twn allwn kommatwn. Wstoso hqela na rwthsw an sas apasxolei oti prin apo ligo o k. Karatzaferhs orise ws epikefalhs toy eyrwchfodeltioy toy, thn prwhn boyleyth Epikrateias ths Neas Dhmokratias kyria Nikh Tzabella, enw sto idio chfodeltio perilambanontai treis akomh politeytes toy kommatos sas.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy th synqesh toy sygkekrimenoy chfodeltioy. Alla kai na thn eixa, opws gnwrizete, den einai dikh moy apostolh na sxoliazw th synqesh twn chfodeltiwn allwn kommatwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Molis sthn pro oligoy apanthsh sas diapistwsa oti se sxesh me to parelqon, mallon allajate - - qa legame - - to xarakthra ths politikhs anametrhshs stis eyrwekloges. Giati oloi qymomaste, osoi toylaxiston erxomaste sto briefing oti mexri twra legate oti to diakybeyma einai h eklogh twn eyrwboyleytwn. Enw omws pro oligoy eipate oti to diakybeyma einai an qa epilejete metajy twn dynamewn ths ypeyqynothtas kai twn dynamewn toy laikismoy. To antiparerxomai ayto, giati blepw oti ontws exete allajei to xarakthra twn eyrweklogwn se sxesh omws me to proswpo, me to xarakthra ths anametrhshs, ta proswpa den paizoyn kapoio rolo se ayth thn anametrhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Egw den xrhsimopoihsa, se kamia periptwsh, th lejh ``diakybeyma''.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi. H erwthsh aforoyse to ``diakybeyma''.

ANTWNAROS: Egw eipa palaiotera oti to antikeimeno twn eklogwn einai safes. Einai h epilogh twn 22 Ellhnwn eyrwboyleytwn. Ayto den allazei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nomizw oti den yparxei megalh diafora metajy ths ennoias toy stoxoy kai toy diakybeymatos.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Yparxei megalh diafora, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw apo ta kala ellhnika poy gnwrizw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Prepei na sas pw omoiws.

ANTWNAROS: To deytero einai oti bebaiws oi Ellhnes polites kai se aythn thn anametrhsh exoyn mia sygkekrimenh epilogh. Ayto to lew panta kai ejakoloyqei na isxyei: Na epilejoyn, kai eimai bebaios sas lew oti qa epilejoyn, tis dynameis ths politikhs ypeyqynothtas poy paroysiazoyn pragmatikes, realistikes lyseis. Tis dynameis poy den wraiopoioyn ta pragmata. Tis dynameis poy den xaideyoyn ta aftia kanenos. Tis dynameis poy phran thn oikonomia sta kaka xalia poy thn afhse to PASOK to 2004 kai ekanan shmantikes beltiwseis, xwris tis opoies ta apotelesmata, oi epiptwseis ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs qa htan poly xeiroteres apo aytes poy exoyme.

Tis dynameis, loipon, tis opoies oi Ellhnes polites empisteyontai gia thn antimetwpish ths krishs h opoia synexizei na ejelissetai kai empisteyontai ws dynamh h opoia qa toys bgalei me tis mikroteres dynates apwleies apo ayth thn krish. Kai epeidh polla legontai sto teleytaio diasthma gia xeirotereysh twn oikonomikwn deiktwn sthn Ellada se sxesh me alles xwres ths Eyrwphs, qa hqela na sas dwsw orismena stoixeia ta opoia edwse to Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio, molis xqes.

Eidikotera oson afora ta esoda toy dhmosioy tomea: Sthn Irlandia gia to diasthma Ianoyarioy-Aprilioy 2009 ta esoda meiwqhkan kata 22,2%. Sth Gallia to diasthma Ianoyarioy-Febroyarioy 2009 kata 21,8%. Sthn Ispania kata 20,7%. Sto Hnwmeno Basileio kata 10,7% gia to diasthma Ianoyarioy-Martioy 2009. H antistoixh meiwsh sthn Ellada, basei dieqnwn anejarthtwn stoixeiwn, pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh, htan meion 0,2%, dhladh poly katw apo mia arnhtikh monada.

Ayta ola, loipon, katarriptoyn polla apo ta epixeirhmata ekeinwn poy kat' epaggelma prospaqoyn kai edw kai sto ejwteriko - - to gnwrizete oti to exoyn kanei epaggelma - - na eleeinologoyn th xwra. Kalo einai, loipon, na skycoyn panw apo ta noymera, panw apo ta pragmatika stoixeia kai anti na asxoloyntai me qemata poy mono th dikh toys atzenta kai tis dikes toys mikres omades endiaferoyn, na asxolhqoyn me thn epejergasia enos pragmatikoy programmatos. Kai na speysoyn na synergastoyn, giati oi Ellhnes polites th synennohsh kai th synergasia yposthrizoyn. Mia synennohsh kai synergasia thn opoia emeis polles fores epixeirhsame, gia thn opoia emeis polles prospaqeies kaname, polles prwtoboylies phrame kai to apotelesma htan ena monimo oxi. Ayta oi Ellhnes polites den ta jexnoyn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Me bash ayto to skeptiko poy anaptyjate molis twra, qa prepei sto chfodeltio ths Neas Dhmokratias na metexoyn politika proswpa kai dh en energeia ypoyrgoi;

ANTWNAROS: Otan einai etoimo to chfodeltio ths Neas Dhmokratias qa plhroforhqeite th synqesh toy.

SANTAMOYRHS: Mporoyme na poyme apo twra an qa einai etoimo prin apo ekeino toy PASOK h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kamia anakoinwsh ep` aytoy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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