Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-04-28

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 28 Aprilioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 199162739

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 28 Aprilioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Geia sas.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa exei shmera, stis 14.30, sto Megaro Majimoy, synanthsh me ton Proedro ths Trimeloys Proedrias ths Bosnias-Erzegobinhs k. Nentmposa Rantmanobits.

" Ayrio, Tetarth 29 Aprilioy, stis 11 to prwi, qa synedriasei, sto Megaro Majimoy, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph ypo thn Proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh, me antikeimeno qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Periballontos Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn.

" Meta th synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, o Prwqypoyrgos qa anaxwrhsei gia th Barsobia, opoy qa symmetasxei sth Synodo toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos. Qa exei, epishs, synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths filojenoyshs xwras, ton Polwno omologo toy k. Toysk. Kai argotera, qa parastei se deipno poy paratiqetai apo to kybernwn komma ths Polwnias.

O Prwqypoyrgos qa epistrecei sthn Aqhna to prwi ths Pempths.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes o Proedros toy PASOK k. Papandreoy, apo bhmatos toy London School of Economics, toy Dieqnoys Panepisthmioy, ekane mia ojytath kai aney prohgoymenoy mallon, epiqesh sthn kybernhsh. Malista, milhse kai gia parembaseis sth Dikaiosynh, oi opoies yponomeyoyn to Politeyma. Prohgoymenws, liges wres prin molis, o k. Xrysoxoidhs eixe pei se prwinh ekpomph oti o stoxos toy PASOK einai na katalabei thn ejoysia. Qa hqela ena sxolio diko sas.

ANTWNAROS: Oson afora to deytero apospasma poy moy metaferate, epibebaiwnei ekeino poy exw pei pro hmerwn kai to epanalambanw kai shmera: Profanws, oi kyrioi toy PASOK antilambanontai thn ejoysia ws lafyro. Ayto prodidei h fraseologia toys. Osa lene, prodidoyn akribws oti ena pragma toys endiaferei: H asteireyth boylimia toys gia ejoysia.

Oso gia ton arxhgo toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, ton k. Papandreoy, fainetai pws exei kanei pia epaggelma thn katasykofanthsh kai thn eleeinologhsh ths xwras sto ejwteriko. Ths dikhs toy xwras. Einai kai dikh toy xwra, den einai mono dikh mas. Einai san na dinei ejetaseis ston eayto toy o k. Papandreoy kaqe fora. San na qelei kaqe fora na jeperasei ton kako toy eayto, na ginei xeiroteros. Ti na pei kaneis; Mono lyph mporei na ekfrasei. Toylaxiston egw mono lyph ekfrazw gia th symperifora, malista, kapoioy poy fainetai pws exei jexasei oti exei diatelesei Ypoyrgos twn Ejwterikwn.

O aytoegklwbismos toy k. Papandreoy sth skandalologia, dhladh sthn ateleiwth prospaqeia toy idioy kai toy kommatos toy - -dioti bebaiws ekeinos einai o egkefalos poy odhgei pros ayth thn kateyqynsh to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs- - dhladh sthn anafora se ypoqeseis poy o idios kai to komma toy exoyn baftisei ayqaireta ``skandala'', ton tyflwnei. Den ton afhnei na dei oyte thn pragmatikothta, oyte tis egnoies twn politwn, oyte bebaia, poly perissotero, poios einai o tropos, poios einai o dromos, poies einai oi oysiastikes politikes poy mporoyn na bohqhsoyn th xwra na antimetwpisei me to kalytero dynato apotelesma tis synepeies ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs. Pws na to kanei, allwste, o k. Papandreoy, afoy anti gia sxedio, cellizei kapoia eyxologia. Anti gia politikes katafeygei se jeperasmena pro polloy ideologhmata. Anti gia realistikes diapistwseis kanei kapoies ceyto-akadhmaikes, qa elega, akrobasies.

Ola ayta, odhgoyn se ena poly aplo symperasma: To komma poy ekane mhnes, megalo diasthma, na diapistwsei thn yparjh krishs, twra traylizei. Giati h qetikh toy syneisfora sthn antimetwpish ayths ths krishs me oysiastikes, realistikes, pragmatikes protaseis, einai mhdenikh.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes parakoloyqhsa kapoies dhlwseis stelexwn sas, boyleytwn ths Neas Dhmokratias, oi opoioi elegan oti akomh kai sthn periptwsh poy yparjei apofash ths Boylhs gia parapomph toy k. Paylidh, ayto den shmainei oti h kybernhsh aytomata xanei kai thn ejoysia, oti mporei na kybernhsei kai me 150+1 boyleytes. Ayth einai kai apoch ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia piqana senaria.

TSIOYFOS: Oxi, den sas zhthsa na sxoliasete tis dhlwseis.

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizw oti yparxei mia koinoboyleytikh diadikasia, h opoia exei orismena stadia. Oloklhrwnetai th Deytera, me th syzhthsh kai thn chfoforia poy ginetai sth Boylh. Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gi` ayth thn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia.

To mono poy exw na pw einai ayto poy sas exw janapei: Se mia tetoia diadikasia, se mia tetoia chfoforia oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, alla eimai bebaios kai twn allwn kommatwn, chfizoyn kata syneidhsh. Tipote allo panw se ayto to qema.

TSIOYFOS: Den sas zhthsa na sxoliasete th diadikasia.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati allo panw se ayto to qema.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, etyxe na pesei sta xeria moy shmera ena periodiko sto opoio anaferetai, yparxei ena reportaz symfwna me to opoio h syzygos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, h k. Natasa Karamanlh einai asqenhs. Exete kapoio sxolio gi` ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw para poly. Tetoioy eidoys isxyrismoi, abasimoi isxyrismoi, einai to akron awton ths kakohqeias. Kai pragmatika lypamai gia tetoioy eidoys dhmosieymata poy den qelw kan na ta apokalesw dhmosieymata. H k. Karamanlh einai mia xara. Den yparxei problhma ygeias. Kai qa hqela na epishmanw kai to ejhs: Kaqe poliths exei dikaiwma na kanei xrhsh twn dikaiwmatwn poy toy dinei o nomos gia na prostateysei thn ypolhch toy apo th diaspora tetoiwn senariwn xwris kokko alhqeias.

FANIDHS: Ton teleytaio kairo blepoyme thn timh ths benzinhs sta prathria na paramenei idiaitera ychlh, paroti h timh toy petrelaioy exei pesei dieqnws, malista se istorika xamhla.

ANTWNAROS: Den exei pesei se istorika xamhla. Mh dhmioyrgeite entypwseis.

FANIDHS: Entajei. Exei pesei arketa, pantws. Hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Epeidh yparxei polys logos kai ginetai ntoros gia tis eyqynes poy endexomenws qa yparxoyn, h kybernhsh protiqetai na parembei wste na zhthsei apo toys idiokthtes twn diylisthriwn th meiwsh twn timwn; Giati ekei exei entopistei to problhma.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, oi Arxes, h Politeia, kanoyn oles tis energeies kai oloys toys elegxoys mesa sta plaisia ths yfistamenhs nomoqesias. Kanoyn oloys toys elegxoys, oi opoioi apaitoyntai. Qa hqela na sas qymisw, epeidh qetete ayto to qema, ena allo poly shmantiko qema poy einai h timh toy galaktos. Xarh stoys elegxoys poy eginan, sthn epistasia h opoia askeitai sthn agora, oxi me thn ennoia ths epibolhs timwn sthn agora, se megala tmhmata ths agoras epese h timh toy galaktos se shmantiko epipedo.

Gia to sygkekrimeno qema poy qesate, qa hqela na sas parakalesw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio poy eimai bebaios oti to parakoloyqei me th deoysa prosoxh.

SWTHRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se peripoy ena mhna exoyme eyrwekloges kai basei xqesinhs dhmoskophshs h diafora yper toy PASOK einai gyrw stis 4 monades, nomizw 3,7. Jerw oti den sxoliazete dhmoskophseis. Ayto poy qa hqela na sas rwthsw einai to ejhs: Se periptwsh mias endexomenhs httas ths Neas Dhmokratias kai me th diafora apo 3 ews 4 monades, qewreite oti ayto qa dromologhsei politikes ejelijeis; Pairnei kapoia mhnymata h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw pei kai alles fores anaferomenos stis eyrwekloges, poio einai to nohma, poia einai h oysia twn eyrweklogwn. Exw topoqethqei se ola ayta ta erwthmata kai isxyoyn ayta poy exw pei. Den allazei apolytws tipota.

Qa sas parakaloysa, de, na perimenete thn hmera twn eklogwn poy einai kai ekeinh h shmantikh hmera opoy oi Ellhnes polites askoyn ena apo ta megalytera, an oxi to megalytero, dikaiwma poy exoyn, poy toys dinei h Politeia. Na ekferoyn, dhladh, th gnwmh toys gia to sygkekrimeno qema sxetika me to opoio erwtwntai.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, an kai eipate oti den exete na peite tipota gia thn ypoqesh Paylidh, fantazomai oti exete diabasei oles tis efhmerides edw kai 10-15 hmeres. Den yparxei oyte mia efhmerida poy na mhn exei gracei oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei pei stoys synergates toy oti se periptwsh parapomphs kai mh paraithshs, tote oi ekloges einai monodromos. Sas exei pei kati tetoio o Prwqypoyrgos;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton: Mhn eikazete oti exw diabasei oles tis efhmerides. Diabazw polles efhmerides, omws den mporeite fysika na apaiteite apo emena na diabazw olo ton ogko twn shmantikwn poy grafoyn oi dhmosiografoi, kaqe hmera stis efhmerides. Einai megalos o ogkos.

Deyteron: Mhn eikazete, xwris na eiste bebaioi, oti ola osa diabazete kai apodidontai ston Prwqypoyrgo exoyn eipwqei me ton tropo poy apodidontai. H fantasia, doja tw Qew, se ayto ton tomea deixnei na kalpazei.

MELIGKWNHS: Sthn kata syneidhsh chfo twn boyleytwn ths Neas Dhmokratias poy anaferate prin, na ypoqesw oti perilambanetai kai h epilogh toy leykoy chfodeltioy;

ANTWNAROS: Kata syneidhsh chfos. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Egw den prokeitai na ermhneysw ti paei na pei ``kata syneidhsh chfos''. O oros einai jekaqaros.

TSIOYFOS: Sas rwthsa prin kai den sxoliasate ti mellei genesqai an parapemfqei o k. Paylidhs kai meinei me 150 boyleytes h Nea Dhmokratia. Twra, sas rwtaei o synadelfos an tyxon parapomph toy k. Paylidh, se mia tetoia periptwsh einai monodromos oi ekloges. Kai eipate oti ``h fantasia kalpazei'', pragma poy shmainei, an to diabazw kala ayto poy eipate, oti apokleiete to endexomeno twn eklogwn an parapemfqei o k. Paylidhs.

ANTWNAROS: Ola ayta poy lete, epibebaiwnoyn apla ayto poy eipa molis pro oligoy...

TSIOYFOS: Poio;

ANTWNAROS: ...oti h fantasia kalpazei.

TSIOYFOS: Oxi, oxi. Se poio qema kalpazei h fantasia; Ayto hqela na moy dieykrinisete. Dieykrinish zhtaw.

ANTWNAROS: Anaferqhka se sygkekrimeno qema gia to opoio me rwthse o k. Meligkwnhs.

TSIOYFOS: An sas exei pei kai sas kati o Prwqypoyrgos.

ANTWNAROS: Den qa ejiswsw kamia koinoboyleytikh diadikasia me senaria.

TSIOYFOS: Ma, den einai senaria.

ANTWNAROS: Ayta ola ta opoia moy lete einai senaria.

TSIOYFOS: Senario poio einai;

ANTWNAROS: Bazete th shmantikh lejoyla ``ean'' mprosta...

TSIOYFOS: Ean parapemfqei o k. Paylidhs.

ANTWNAROS: Se ola osa me rwtate sas apantw oti perimenw thn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. To antikeimeno ths koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias einai entelws diaforetiko apo ayto to opoio eseis anaferete. Allo pragma syzhtietai sth Boylh kai oxi ayto to opoio moy lete. Me ayto to opoio moy lete, profanws kanete kthma sas - -poy den qelw na to pistecw se kamia periptwsh- - ayto poy lew egw: Thn poinikopoihsh ths politikhs zwhs toy topoy. Thn politikopoihsh mias koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias se laqos kateyqynseis. Allwste, den pisteyw oti kanete eseis kati tetoio.

TSIOYFOS: Makria apo mena, k. Antwnare, allwste egw den mporw kai na poinikopoihsw h na ...

ANTWNAROS: Ayto sas lew.

TSIOYFOS: Alla, fantazomai oti kaqe kybernhsh otan brisketai se mia tetoia koinoboyleytikh diadikasia me to sygkekrimeno antikeimeno exei sxediasei kai to Plan B. To Plan B poio einai an o k. Paylidhs telika parapemfqei;

ANTWNAROS: Apofash mas einai na afhsoyme thn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia na ejelixqei.

MPALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes h kybernhsh anakoinwse kapoia metra gia thn oikodomh, gia ta spitia kai dierwtwmai an yparxei periptwsh na tonwqei h agora apo th stigmh poy oktw stoys deka polites poy qeloyn na agorasoyn spiti, katafeygoyn stis trapezes. Dhladh, apo th mia h kybernhsh pairnei kapoia apofash gia na tonwsei thn oikodomh kai apo thn allh oi trapezes omws den dinoyn xrhmata. Dhladh, qelw na pw mhpws einai ligo keno periexomenoy to metro, ypo thn ennoia oti o kosmos kai na qelei na parei kapoio spiti oi trapezes den toy dinoyn ta xrhmata. Kai ayto einai diapistwmeno.

ANTWNAROS: Exei diapistwqei se olh thn Eyrwph - -kai oxi mono sthn Eyrwph- - oti ejakoloyqei kai yparxei ena problhma reystothtas se oles tis oikonomies, ws synepeia ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs. Oles oi prospaqeies mas loipon kai ayth h sygkekrimenh prospaqeia - -qymizw oti eimaste mia apo tis treis prwtes xwres poy chfisame kai qesame se efarmogh synoliko programma gia thn reystothta sthn oikonomia- - katateinoyn akribws sto na beltiwqei h reystothta sthn oikonomia kai na bohqhqoyn, na yposthrixqoyn kladoi oi opoioi paroysiazoyn isws tis megalyteres adynamies, an qelete ta megalytera problhmata.

Qymaste oti labame metra gia ton Toyrismo. Mhn ta jexname, einai shmantika eidika twra poy arxizei h toyristikh periodos. Kai akribws gia na antimetwpistoyn ta problhmata se enan allo tomea opws einai o klados ths oikodomhs, twn kataskeywn, alla kai olwn twn allwn qematwn poy syndeontai me ayta, o k. Papaqanasioy anakoinwse sygkekrimena metra pros ayth thn kateyqynsh.

Eimai bebaios oti ta metra ayta qa apodwsoyn. Isws oxi me toys poly gorgoys ryqmoys poy qeloyn kapoioi h oneireyontai kapoioi. Kai egw oneireyomai - -sas to lew eyqews- - oi ryqmoi na einai grhgoroi, astrapiaioi. Alla ayta den ginontai sthn pragmatikh zwh etsi grhgora. Kai pisteyw oti h kybernhsh me to synoliko ths sxedio, ayto poy anagnwrizoyn oi Ellhnes polites oti yparxei, qa bohqhsei th xwra, qa bohqhsei oloys mas na antimetwpisoyme tis synepeies ths krishs.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na epanelqw ligo sto qema Paylidh, kaqws mporei eseis na eipate oti den qelete na pistecete oti o synadelfos exei kanei kthma toy thn poinikopoihsh ths politikhs zwhs, alla fainetai oti to pisteyoyn oi idioi oi boyleytes, toylaxiston ton tropo me ton opoio qa chfisoyn sthn chfoforia. Akoysa xqes ton k. Nikhforakh na leei ston ALPHA oti o boyleyths qa chfisei an tassetai yper h kata twn prowrwn eklogwn kai ton k. Manwlh ston FLASH na leei oti gia ton Paylidh yparxei mia sygkyria poy den eynoei thn kata syneidhsh chfo. Telika to diakybeyma ths chfoforias einai an qa parapemfqei h oxi o prwhn ypoyrgos h kati allo;

ANTWNAROS: To antikeimeno ths chfoforias einai sygkekrimeno.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, jekaqarizete oti oso brisketai se ejelijh h koinoboyleytikh diadikasia gia thn parapomph h mh toy k. Paylidh sto Eidiko Dikasthrio, h kybernhsh den ejetazei peraiterw sxedia. Parola ayta plhqainoyn oi dhmosies topoqethseis koryfaiwn stelexwn ths kybernhshs kai dh ypoyrgwn poy me dhmosies parembaseis toys kanoyn logo, mallon jekaqarizoyn oti den yparxei endexomeno prowrwn eklogwn. Poy tis apodidete kai pws tis sxoliazete;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw gia ena poly aplo logo. Dioti sas eipa oti h kybernhsh parakoloyqei th sygkekrimenh koinoboyleytikh diadikasia h opoia exei - -opws kai h chfoforia poy qa ginei thn erxomenh Deytera arga to brady- - ena sygkekrimeno antikeimeno. As mhn syndeontai pragmata poy den exoyn sxesh to ena me to allo.

MELIGKWNHS: To antikeimeno ths chfoforias einai sygkekrimeno. Mas to eipate ayto. Politikes epiptwseis mporei na exei ayth h chfoforia;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti se senaria den prokeitai na anaferqw. Ayta einai gia esas an qelete na gemizete - -kai den to lew kaqoloy meiwtika, oyte ypotimhtika- - tis selides twn efhmeridwn. Alla egw den exw na pw kati panw se ayto to qema. Emena me endiaferei h sygkekrimenh koinoboyleytikh diadikasia h opoia ejelissetai. Kai eidate oti exei stadia ta opoia peratwnontai to ena meta to allo kai ftanoyme twra sto telos, sthn oloklhrwsh ths diadikasias. Den prokeitai na pw kati prin apo thn oloklhrwsh ths diadikasias.

SWTHRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ayth th stigmh o k. Paylidhs apotelei baridio gia thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti kai na kanete den qa me odhghsete sto na ekferw egw proswpikh krish gia ena melos ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias, gia to opoio ginetai syzhthsh sta plaisia ayths ths koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias poy sas anefera.

MELIGKWNHS: Na perasoyme se mia allh koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. An den apatwmai, thn prohgoymenh fora eixe apoxwrhsei apo thn chfoforia, meta apo to aithma toy PASOK gia systash epitrophs prokatarktikhs ejetashs gia to qema toy Batopedioy, h pleiochfia me to epixeirhma oti den eixe oloklhrwqei h dikastikh diereynhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Den eixan apoxwrhsei gi ayto. Den qymaste kala. Tote eixe apoxwrhsei h Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias, giati eixe prohghqei Ejetastikh Epitroph, eixe bgei sygkekrimeno porisma. Kai para to sygkekrimeno porisma, to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs epemene na paei sto epomeno stadio xwris bash. Einai entelws diaforetika ta pragmata. Den qymaste kala.

MELIGKWNHS: To porisma ths pleiochfias.

ANTWNAROS: Me sygxwreite, to porisma ths pleiochfias einai desmeytiko, ean gnwrizete pws leitoyrgei h Boylh.

MELIGKWNHS: Ayth th fora, mia poy o k. Benizelos ek meroys toy PASOK exei janazhthsei na mpei sthn hmerhsia diatajh to qema ths chfoforias poy den egine pote, ti qa kanoyn oi boyleytes ths pleiochfias;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto to opoio eipa einai apolytws safes.

TSIOYFOS: Protiqetai h kybernhsh ean xreiastei na parateinei tis ergasies ths trexoysas Synodoy mexri ton Oktwbrio;

ANTWNAROS: H Boylh exei zwh akomh mprosta ths.

ZORMPA: Se ena allo qema. Xqes o prwhn Proedros ths Boylhs o k. Kaklamanhs ejapelyse drimeia epiqesh dia mesoy dhmosiografwn sthn hgesia ths ERT. Qa hqela an exei h kybernhsh na kanei kapoio sxolio ep` aytoy.

ANTWNAROS: Kanena sxolio. Den me ekplhssei h symperifora orismenwn atomwn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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