Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-02-09

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 9 Febroyarioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 185210923

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 9 Febroyarioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhmera sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Ayrio, Trith 10 Febroyarioy, stis 12 to meshmeri, qa synedriasei ypo thn Proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh, sto Megaro Majimoy, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Gia to qema, qa enhmerwqeite argotera.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pws qa antimetwpisei sto mellon o Prwqypoyrgos, ekeinoys toys Ypoyrgoys oi opoioi me tis dhlwseis toys dhmioyrgoyn problhmata, kyriws synoxhs qa elega, sthn kybernhsh; Dioti, opws fainetai, arxisan nwris-nwris oi delfinomaxies.

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai se ti anafereste.

FANIDHS: Stis dhlwseis toy k. Abramopoyloy anaferomai k. Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Abramopoylos exei topoqethqei, me jekaqaro tropo, poy den afhnei kamia apolytws amfibolia. To qema den exei kamia synexeia.

XIWTHS: Na sas to ejhghsw egw. Sto idio qema qa epimeinw. Thn perasmenh ebdomada, eida to Ypoyrgeio PEXWDE na ekdidei mia anakoinwsh gia na aposafhnisei kapoia apo ayta poy elege o Ypoyrgos Ygeias. Taytoxrona, eida ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas na diaforopoieitai me mia protash toy Ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn, gia thn opoia yposthrizei oti ekeinos thn eixe qesei nwritera kai tote eixe aporrifqei. Mporw na sas pw kai alla polla paradeigmata, alla fantazomai oti antilambaneste gia thn eikona gia thn opoia milame oti ekpempei h kybernhsh. Einai mia eikona Ypoyrgwn poy diaplhktizontai dhmosiws kai ayto, fantazomai, den einai eyxaristo pros thn kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Den katalaba thn erwthsh sas. Poia einai;

XIWTHS: H erwthsh moy einai: H kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos einai ikanopoihmenoi apo thn eikona poy ekpempoyn ta koryfaia ths stelexh, otan diafwnoyn dhmosiws metajy toys;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh einai prosanatolismenoi sthn paragwgh ergoy kai thn ylopoihsh twn desmeysewn tis opoies exoyme analabei.

XIWTHS: Den sas rwthsa, poy einai prosanatolismenh h kybernhsh. Sas erwtw, an o Prwqypoyrgos einai ikanopoihmenos apo thn eikona poy paragoyn ta koryfaia toy stelexh, otan diatypwnoyn dhmosiws tetoioy eidoys...

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Olh h kybernhsh paragei ergo. Ayto endiaferei. Ta alla anagontai sth sfaira ths parapolitikhs. Egw den prokeitai na sas parakoloyqhsw se ayto.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh exei eqniko sxedio drashs gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn sthn oikonomia;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme topoqethqei epaneilhmmenws se ayto to qema.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Sas erwtw, giati o k. Abramopoylos, sth synenteyjh poy edwse, eipe, anaferomenos sto Eqniko Sxedio Drashs, oti eyqynes exei h antipoliteysh, alla exei eyqynes kai h kybernhsh poy den epidiwje kai den katafere na apospasei thn aparaithth synainesh. Gi` ayto sas erwtw.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apanthsa: O k. Abramopoylos exei topoqethqei me tropo jekaqaro se ayto to qema.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Sth synenteyjh poy paraxwrhse o k. Karaxalios sto kyriakatiko fyllo toy ``Adesmeytoy Typoy'', leei eyqews oti toy yposxeqhkan apo to Majimoy kai apo th Rhgillhs peraiterw politikh ajiopoihsh, ennowntas tis eyrwekloges. H erwthsh einai aplh: Exete ypoch sas na yparxoyn paraskhniaka ypesxhmena apo twra, enocei twn eyrweklogwn; Qelw na pw, yparxoyn yposxeseis poy den throyntai h den ginontai gnwstes;

ANTWNAROS: Opoiadhpote syzhthsh gia qema eklogwn h gia qema katartishs chfodeltiwn einai akairh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Eyrweklogwn.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw: Opoiadhpote syzhthsh gia qema eklogwn h katartishs chfodeltiwn einai akairh.

ZORMPA: To idio isxyei kai gia ton k. Roysopoylo, o opoios thn perasmenh ebdomada anoije qema, oxi ayth th fora, eyrwchfodeltioy, alla chfodeltioy;

ANTWNAROS: Molis topoqethqhka.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dyo fores eipate oti o k. Abramopoylos topoqethqhke jekaqara. Egw anarwtiemai, se poia apo oles tis dhlwseis toy topoqethqhke jekaqara. Ennoeite, thn teleytaia dhlwsh, th grapth h aytes tis dhlwseis poy ekane se dyo kyriakatikes efhmerides;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to qema, to eipa.

PALAIOLOGOS: To jekaqaro toy pragmatos den katalabainw.

FOYRLHS: O Ypoyrgos Ygeias exei dhlwsei, jekaqara kai qewrei oti parermhneyqhkan orismenes dhlwseis toy. Eseis symfwneite, parermhneyqhkan oi dhlwseis toy;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, na diabasete akribws ti exei pei o Ypoyrgos kai na mhn allazete lejeis se osa exei pei.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Na pame se pio politika qemata, se pio kaqhmerinhs efarmoghs. To epidoma qermanshs, akoysame oti qa einai metajy 100 kai 200 eyrw kai oti qa pistwqei se kapoioys logariasmoys twn dikaioyxwn ayth thn ebdomada. An kanw laqos, diorqwste me. Giati eprepe na perimenoyme mexri ta mesa Flebarh poy mpainei h anoijh siga-siga kai exei plhrwqei to petrelaio kai ola ayta, exoyn dhladh kalyfqei oi anagkes, gia na exoyme ayta ta xrhmata stoys logariasmoys twn dikaioyxwn kai giati toso liga lefta;

ANTWNAROS: Qelete, profanws, na jananoijoyme - -egw den qa to kanw omws- - mia syzhthsh h opoia exei oloklhrwqei edw kai arketes hmeres. Exei thrhqei h xronikh desmeysh thn opoia eixe analabei h kybernhsh edw kai polloys mhnes. Eixame desmeyqei na syzhthsoyme kai na oristikopoihsoyme to qema entos toy mhnos Ianoyarioy. H kybernhsh eixe desmeyqei gia sygkekrimena posa, ta opoia kai qa katablhqoyn twra, opws prepei, stoys dikaioyxoys.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate prin oti peran ths topoqethsews toy k. Abramopoyloy, me jekaqaro tropo, ta ypoloipa anagontai sth sfaira ths parapolitikhs. Sthn teleytaia toy topoqethsh, grafei to deltio Typoy panw apo thn anakoinwsh oti sxetika me dhlwseis poy apodidontai ston Ypoyrgo PEXWDE, apanta to ejhs. Ayto den einai parapolitikh;

ANTWNAROS: Einai mia jekaqarh dhlwsh toy Ypoyrgoy. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

FOYRLHS: Sygnwmh, epeidh moy zhthsate na eimai perissotero akribhs prohgoymenws, symmorfwnomai, den eipe ``parermhneythkan'' o k. Abramopoylos, eipe, ``alloiwqhkan''.

ANTWNAROS: Einai megalh h diafora, terastia h diafora metajy twn dyo lejewn.

FOYRLHS: Terastia, mporeite na to peite kai ayto. Alla, qelw na rwthsw, eseis symfwneite; Alloiwqhkan opws leei;

ANTWNAROS: Menw sth dhlwsh toy Ypoyrgoy.

MPOTSARHS: Alhqeyei oti epikoinwnhse o Prwqypoyrgos me toys Ypoyrgoys poy probainoyn se dhlwseis to teleytaio xroniko diasthma, prokeimenoy na toys ekfrasei th dysareskeia toy gi` ayto poy symbainei;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, den anaferomai pote se epikoinwnies toy Prwqypoyrgoy me Ypoyrgoys. Den to exw kanei pote kai den qa to kanw oyte kai shmera. O Prwqypoyrgos, opws sas exw pei, epikoinwnei taktika me toys Ypoyrgoys.

MANH: O k. Miltiadhs Barbitsiwths zhthse xqes apo ton ``Eleyqero Typo ths Kyriakhs'', me aformh th syzhthsh gia amesh efarmogh toy eklogikoy nomoy Paylopoyloy na yparjoyn kai kapoies diorqwseis. Gia paradeigma, na ginoyn oles oi perifereies dekaedrikes h kati allo, anoixto se dialogo. Syzhta h kybernhsh tis diorqwseis toy nomoy Paylopoyloy;

ANTWNAROS: Den exei na syzhthsei kati h kybernhsh gia allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy. Topoqethqhka thn perasmenh ebdomada, sygkekrimena, panw se ayto to qema.

KAKALHS: H topoqethsh sas peri akairhs, opoiasdhpote anaforas sto qema twn eklogwn, den kleinei to qema ths eklogologias, antiqeta to synthrei, giati akribws den prosdiorizete me safh tropo pote qa ginoyn ekloges. Ayto giati den to kanei o Prwqypoyrgos me mia safh toy desmeysh;

ANTWNAROS: Einai jekaqarh h dhlwsh poy exw kanei.

KAKALHS: Ara, afhnete anoixto to qema.

ANTWNAROS: Egw den qetw to qema. Topoqethqhka, apantwntas se erwthseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Eipate prohgoymenws, kyrie Ekproswpe, oti h kybernhsh endiaferetai gia thn paragwgh ergoy kai eipate oloi, kai oi Ypoyrgoi. Xqes omws ekane mia dhlwsh o k. Zagoriths, poy perissotero qymize systaseis pros Ypoyrgoys para diapistwsh gia thn paragwgh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Sygkekrimena eipe oti ``me ta logia xtizeis anwgeia kai katwgeia'' kai kalo qa einai na afosiwqoyme sthn paragwgh ergoy oysias.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto kai ginetai.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai. Tote poios o logos na kanei systaseis o k. Zagoriths stoys Ypoyrgoys; Den ginetai ergo oysias;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas ermhneia.

PALAIOLOGOS: H ermhneia poy dinei h kybernhsh gia tis dhlwseis toy k. Zagorith poia einai dhladh;

ANTWNAROS: Den kanw ermhneies twn dhlwsewn toy Grammatea toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, oi systaseis, lew, toy k. Zagorith se poioys apeyqynontai. Ayto den moy apantate. Den einai qema ermhneias.

ANTWNAROS: H ermhneia opoiasdhpote dhlwshs afora esas, den afora th leitoyrgia toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy. Kai gia na mhn poyn oti milaw se trito proswpo gia ton eayto moy, opws egrace kapoios, den afora emena o opoios ektelw kaqhkonta Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, moy epitrepete omws; Afhnw to qema twn ermhneiwn. Oi systaseis na afosiwqoyn se ergo oysias, se poion apeyqynontai; Pantws oxi se mena, an den apatwmai.

ANTWNAROS: Einai mia diapistwsh. Giati dinete eseis to xarakthrismo systash;

PALAIOLOGOS: Ma, nomizw oti ayto bgainei jekaqara apo tis dhlwseis toy, an tis exete diabasei.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, sas lew: Ermhneia kanete eseis. Den einai dikh moy doyleia na kanw ermhneies.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Ragkoyshs, se erwthsh gia to endexomeno kybernhshs synergasias PASOK  Neas Dhmokratias, apanta pws ``den prepei, den qeloyme kai den mporoyme''. Pws sxoliazete ayth th dhlwsh kai poia einai h dikh sas qesh apenanti se ayto to endexomeno;

ANTWNAROS: Ena sxolio mono qa kanw. Ayto deixnei poios synthrei to klima eklogologias. Koryfaia stelexh toy PASOK milane gia ekloges kai to ti endexomenws qa prokycei meta tis ekloges. Den einai ena qema to opoio apasxolei thn kybernhsh kai to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias.

XIWTHS: O Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn kai Dhmosias Dioikhshs k. Paylopoylos kai h k. Mpakogiannh exoyn proteinei thn epispeysh ths efarmoghs toy neoy eklogikoy nomoy poy chfise ayth h kybernhsh. Qelw na rwthsw ean ayth einai proswpikh apoch twn dyo Ypoyrgwn h an apotelei epishmh kybernhtikh qesh.

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei epaneilhmmenws tis perasmenes hmeres.

XIWTHS: Den nomizw oti exete topoqethqei ep` aytoy.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka me ton tropo poy epeleja egw na topoqethqw. Sas eipa oti profanws aytos o nomos gia na ton chfisei h kybernhtikh pleiochfia einai o kalyteros eklogikos nomos gia th xwra.

FOYRLHS: Einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos apo thn prospaqeia poy katabaloyn ola ta kybernhtika stelexh kai oi boyleytes gia na dhmioyrgoyn mia eikona synoxhs, synadelfikothtas kai allhloyposthrijhs sthn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Oso kai na prospaqhsete, den qa epanelqw sto idio qema. Exw topoqethqei.

MELIGKWNHS: H politikh ektimhsh ths kybernhshs einai oti h eikona ths twra einai kalyterh ap` oti prin apo ton anasxhmatismo; Politikh ektimhsh qa exete fantazomai.

ANTWNAROS: Kaqe prospaqeia odhgei pros to kalytero kai ta apotelesmata ginontai panta xeiropiasta.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto fainetai oti den ginetai antilhpto apo orismena stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias h kai prwhn Ypoyrgoys. Gia paradeigma, o k. Alogoskoyfhs, o prwhn Ypoyrgos Oikonomias, yposthrizei oti h politikh twn paroxwn - -poy profanws qewrei pws akoloyqei twra o diadoxos toy- - qa epibarynei thn oikonomia. H apoch ths kybernhshs poia einai; Qa thn epibarynei thn oikonomia h politikh paroxwn;

ANTWNAROS: Katarxas, den gnwrizw kamia epwnymh dhlwsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh. Deyteron, kai na th gnwriza, den qa th sxoliaza. Kai triton, h kybernhsh den kanei - -opws eipe molis proxqes o k. Papaqanasioy- - kamia politikh paroxwn.

KAKALHS: Epeidh opws eipate eiste prosanatolismenoi sthn paragwgh ergoy, asfalws qa parakoloyqeite kaqhmerina fantazomai to ti ginetai me to paketo sthrijhs twn 28 disekatommyriwn pros tis trapezes. Mporeite na mas peite sygkekrimena, apo ayto to poso, posa exoyn dioxeteytei se noikokyria kai mikromesaies epixeirhseis; Poia einai ta stoixeia poy diaqetei h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw, ayth th stigmh, na sas dwsw stoixeia. Ayta parakalw...

KAKALHS: Den sas endiaferei;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws kai me endiaferei. Alla den einai dikos moy...

KAKALHS: Giati den exete stoixeia.

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas parakalesw, otan kanete erwthsh, na perimenete thn apanthsh. Meta mporeite na kanete symplhrwmatikh erwthsh. Ayto einai anafaireto dikaiwma sas. Ta stoixeia, molis yparjoyn, qa sas ta dwsoyme.

KAKALHS: Ayto lew, den sas endiaferei na ta parakoloyqhsete; Dhladh, ypotiqetai twra einai enas mhnas poy trexei ayto to programma kai parapanw. Den endiaferetai an exei...

ANTWNAROS: Den einai enas mhnas. Oso kai na prospaqeite na parateinete to xrono.

XIWTHS: Gnwrizete an yparxei allo endiaferon apo ependytes gia thn Olympiakh, plhn toy endiaferontos poy exei ekdhlwsei o omilos poy ekproswpei o k. Bgenopoylos; Ayto einai to ena poy qelw na rwthsw.

ANTWNAROS: Otan yparxoyn ekdhlwseis endiaferontos, eimai bebaios oti oi armodioi foreis, qa tis koinopoioyn.

XIWTHS: Gnwrizete epishs ti qa ginei telikws me to limani ths Qessalonikhs, opoy ekei eixame apoxwrhsh toy anadoxoy;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Sas exw pei na apotaqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias.

XIWTHS: Sas erwtw epeidh oi synadelfoi apotaqhkan sto Ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias, alla to Ypoyrgeio Naytilias den apanta oyte an qa khryjei agono to diagwnismo h an qa akoloyqhsei kapoia allh diadikasia gia thn anazhthsh endiaferontos gia to limani ths Qessalonikhs h an qa to egkataleicei kai qa parameinei sto Dhmosio.

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti to Ypoyrgeio molis exei kati na pei stoys synadelfoys sas, qa toys enhmerwsei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, den sas anhsyxei to gegonos oti nyn Ypoyrgoi, alla kai prwhn Ypoyrgoi balloyn kata ths kybernhtikhs politikhs;

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei se ola ayta ta qemata, se prohgoymenes erwthseis.

FOYRLHS: Qa moy epitrecete na epimeinw omws. Moy zhthsate na mhn epanelqw sto idio qema. Egw den epanerxomai sto idio qema. Eimaste se mia periodo oikonomikhs krishs panqomologoymenws. Oi polites profanws anhsyxoyn kai profanws endiaferontai gia to pws h kybernhsh leitoyrgei. Einai oysiastiko qema leitoyrgias ths kybernhshs, ean yparxei allhloyposthrijh kai synoxh. Ayto exei na kanei me thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn. Den exei na kanei mono me to ti koybentiazoyme emeis edw se ayth thn aiqoysa. Gi ayto sas zhthsa na apanthsete. Den sas zhthsa gia na

(den akoygetai).

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas pw kati poly aplo: Egw gnwrizw oti h kybernhsh diaqetei mia sympagh pleiochfia sth Boylh. Kai ayto einai to apofasistiko stoixeio.

KAKALHS: Epi xronia, opws qa qymaste, h kybernhsh sthrize kai enqarryne tis trapezes kai tis epixeirhseis na anoixqoyn sthn endoxwra twn Balkaniwn. Twra poy logw oikonomikhs krishs to ``Elntoranto'' twn Balkaniwn teinei na ginei efialths, h kybernhsh poia akribws politikh eyqynh exei kai poia einai h stash ths; Qa synexisei na enqarrynei, na sthrizei tis epixeirhseis me lefta twn Ellhnwn forologoymenwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai pragmatika ti qelete na peite.

KAKALHS: Einai safhs h erwthsh. Katarxhn an anagnwrizete eyqynes sthn kybernhsh poy tosa xronia enqarryne tis epixeirhseis kai tis trapezes na anoigontai sta Balkania, kai twra poy exei metatrapei h olh istoria se efialth, qelw na jerw poia einai h stash ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Isws na diafeygei ths prosoxhs sas oti kai oi xwres twn Balkaniwn apoteloyn xwro ths Eyrwphs. Kai h Eyrwph apotelei xwro toy eyryteroy synoloy. Kai olo to synolo plhttetai ayth th stigmh apo mia dieqnh oikonomikh krish. Oloi yfistantai tis synepeies ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs. Kai einai fysiko kai o xwros, ton opoio eseis me toso melana xrwmata perigracate, na einai ena meros toy synoloy poy yfistatai ayth th krish, poy yfistatai tis synepeies, ta epakoloyqa ayths ths krishs. Eimai bebaios oti kai ta xrhmatopistwtika idrymata kai oi epixeirhseis, oi epixeirhmaties, oi opoioi apofasisan se kapoio stadio ths xronikhs diadromhs na ependysoyn se kapoia xwra, to ekanan lambanontas ypoch toys ola ekeina ta stoixeia ta opoia lambanei kaqe epixeirhmatias prokeimenoy na pragmatopoihsei mia ependysh. Gnwrizoyme bebaia oloi oti h krish ayth htan mh problecimh. Kaneis den thn eixe proeipei se ayth thn ektash, se ayto to megeqos, se aytoys toys gorgoys ryqmoys ejelijhs ths. Kai to shmantiko ayth th stigmh einai na lambanontai me tis anagkaies prosarmoges ola ta metra poy apaitoyntai, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn oi synepeies ayths ths krishs.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite. Otan eipate oti o kaqe epixeirhmatias lambane ypoch toy kapoia dedomena, se ayta symperilambanotan kai h anoixth enqarrynsh ths kybernhshs, kai malista emprakth polles fores, me kinhtra klp. Alla qelw na rwthsw twra, oi trapezes zhtane na dioxeteysoyn ena meros toy paketoy pros tis qygatrikes poy exoyn ekei.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, qa leipate kapoia mera thn perasmenh bdomada. Moy eteqh akribws h idia erwthsh kai parepemca, toso stoys elegktikoys mhxanismoys, poy yparxoyn, oso kai sthn safh qesh thn opoia exei parei panw se ayto to qema h Trapeza ths Ellados kai o Dioikhths ths.

KAKALHS: Nai, h kybernhsh poia qesh pairnei; Jerw th stash ths Eqnikhs Trapezas ths Ellados. Ths kybernhshs poia einai h qesh;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den exete ypoch sas, pws leitoyrgoyn oi sygkekrimenoi mhxanismoi. Gi` ayto kai sas parapempw sthn Trapeza ths Ellados.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se synexeia ths erwthshs toy k. Kakalh: Apotelei koinh pepoiqhsh omws oti to sxedio ths enisxyshs ths reystothtas den proxwraei kai nomizw oti exoyn perasei arketoi mhnes apo tote poy eixe proanaggelqei. Ti protiqetai na kanei h kybernhsh prokeimenoy na mporesei, nomizw oti h agora toylaxiston einai akoma se kapoia plaisia asfyktika. Pws qa proxwrhsei to qema ayto ths ektamieyshs;

ANTWNAROS: Apo to xroniko shmeio ths anakoinwshs toy sxedioy - -sas ypenqymizw oti to ellhniko sxedio htan apo ta prwta tria h tessera poy egkriqhkan sthn Eyrwph- - mexri thn efarmogh toy, einai fysiko na perasei kapoios xronos. Yparxoyn diafora stadia. Prin apo liges hmeres sas eipa oti energopoihqhke to kaqestws twn eggyhsewn. Aytes tis hmeres qa topoqethqoyn, opws problepetai, oi Epitropoi toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy, ths ellhnikhs Politeias stis trapezes, oi opoies qa metasxoyn akribws se ayto to kaqestws. Ola ayta apoteloyn tis asfalistikes dikleides, poy qa leitoyrghsoyn, prokeimenoy olo ayto to sxedio gia th reystothta ths oikonomias na einai apotelesmatiko.

PALAIOLOGOS: Moy epitrepete omws ep' aytoy. Kaqoti to qema einai pws qa to eisprajei qetika o mikromesaios epixeirhmatias, h agora en prokeimenw. Dhladh, mexri pote einai h proqesmia poy qa apodwsei h qa arxisei na apodidei to sxedio gia thn enisxysh ths reystothtas;

ANTWNAROS: H xwra mas den diaferei se tipote apo tis alles xwres tis Eyrwphs. Ean parakoloyqhsete, qa deite oti me ton idio tropo ejelissontai oi katastaseis kai stis alles xwres ths Eyrwphs. Kanoyme o,ti einai aparaithto, prokeimenoy akribws na ejasfalisoyme th reystothta h opoia xreiazetai kai stis mikres kai stis mesaies epixeirhseis kai sta ellhnika noikokyria poy exoyn anagkh.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exete pei polles fores apo ayto to bhma oti h kybernhsh paragei ergo kai qa synexisei na paragei. Parola ayta stis dhmoskophseis h Nea Dhmokratia xanei synexws edafos. Den sas anhsyxei loipon to gegonos oti paroti h kybernhsh paragei ergo, oi polites deixnoyn na mhn to katalabainoyn, na mhn to katanooyn;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio gia dhmoskophseis.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh syzhta thn protash gia systash enos organismoy h mias ``kakhs'' trapezas poy qa analabei ta xreh twn problhmatikwn h ta daneia twn epixeirhsewn sto onoma ths diaswshs twn qesewn ergasias;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai kati poy exei syzhthqei...

KAKALHS: Pote qa syzhthqei;

ANTWNAROS: ... Kai den einai kati poy exei syzhthqei gia enan poly aplo logo: To ellhniko xrhmatopistwtiko systhma den einai ekteqeimeno se tetoia ergaleia poy apoklhqhkan tojika ergaleia, tojikes ependyseis, tojika omologa, opws einai oi trapezes allwn xwrwn.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite. Den eipa egw gia ta tojika twn trapezwn, eipa gia ta xreh twn problhmatikwn epixeirhsewn, gia ta daneia twn problhmatikwn epixeirhsewn.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy lete gia tis ``kakes'' trapezes, omws, anaferetai se ayto poy eipa egw.

KAKALHS: Den rwthsa gia tis trapezes. Rwthsa gia tis epixeirhseis.

ANTWNAROS: Oi epixeirhseis antapokrinontai stis ypoxrewseis tis opoies exoyn. Den exei teqei tetoio qema. Kai mh dhmioyrgeite qema ekei poy den yparxei.

MANH: Para tis safeis desmeyseis ths kybernhshs, para polles fores kai sth Boylh, epimenoyn oi kataggelies oti ginontai pleisthriasmoi prwths katoikias gia xreh katw apo 20 xiliades eyrw. Exoyn ftasei aytes oi kataggelies sta aftia ths kybernhshs; Protiqetai kati na kanei;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn sto akeraio oi ryqmiseis, oi opoies exoyn apofasistei. Kaneis den exei dikaiwma na tis parabainei.

MANH: Otan parabiazontai;

ANTWNAROS: Opoios tis parabiazei, yfistatai tis synepeies apo to nomo.

Sas eyxaristw.

" H ayrianh enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn kai antapokritwn jenoy Typoy qa pragmatopoihqei meta to telos ths synedriashs ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs.

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