Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-01-15

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 15 Ianoyarioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 180759524

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 15 Ianoyarioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhspera.

Me sygxwreite gia thn kaqysterhsh poy ofeiletai sth megalh diarkeia ths synedriashs ths Epitrophs Oikonomikhs Politikhs poy oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligo, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh.

Sxetika me ta qemata poy syzhthqhkan sth synedriash ths epitrophs milhse meta th synedriash o armodios Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Giannhs Papaqanasioy. Stis dhlwseis kai stis topoqethseis toy, sas parapempw.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Qelw na syzhthsoyme gia th nea kinhsh twn Toyrkwn se sxesh me th fregata sthn Kea, sth Tzia. Anejarthta apo tis antidraseis poy eixame h qa exoyme ws epishmh Politeia, poso anhsyxei thn kybernhsh olh ayth h kinhtikothta, olo ayto to pragma poy afhnete toys Toyrkoys na kinoyntai, etsi, xwris anastoles;

ANTWNAROS: Gia to qema, qa yparjei se ligo mia topoqethsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas, poy qa to qesei kai stis pragmatikes toy diastaseis. Opws allwste egine xqes - -ap` o,ti jerw- - se anepishmes synomilies poy eixan polloi apo esas h synadelfoi sas poy kalyptoyn ta sygkekrimena qemata, me toys armodioys sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas. Den exw na pw kati allo panw s` ayto.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Prokeitai h xwra mas na kanei diabhma apo th stigmh poy h toyrkikh fregata parabiase toys kanones ablaboys dieleyshs;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti ginetai se aytes tis periptwseis, qa ginei kai ayth th fora, bebaiws.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Ti perimenei h ellhnikh kybernhsh ws oysiastika apotelesmata apo thn ellhnikh Proedria toy OASE poy jekinhse sthn oysia xqes;

ANTWNAROS: Kai na prospaqoysa, den qa mporoysa se kamia periptwsh na anaferqw analytikotera kai me perissoteres leptomereies, ap` aytes poy periexontai sth xqesinh omilia ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. Ntoras Mpakogiannh sth Biennh. Sas parapempw s` ayth thn omilia, h opoia periexei ola ta stoixeia poy prepei na jerei kapoios sxetika me thn ellhnikh Proedria kai to sxedio ths ellhnikhs Proedrias poy molis arxise.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Mia akomh erwthsh: Qelw na rwthsw, apla, mhpws ayto paijei kapoio rolo sth qesh apo thn opoia qa antimetwpisoyme kapoia qemata poy mas apasxoloyn se epipedo eqniko. Dhladh, an mporoyme na diaxeiristoyme diaforetika, zhthmata opws p.x. to Skopiano h tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis, ap` ayth th qesh isxyos poy qewrhtika exoyme.

ANTWNAROS: H Proedria enos megaloy organismoy sthn opoia ejelegh h Ellada gia to trexon etos, einai kati para poly shmantiko. Qa thn askhsoyme me thn ypeyqynothta poy diakrinei thn ejwterikh mas politikh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exoyme allagh ths kybernhtikhs politikhs se o,ti afora ta qemata ths oikonomias; Kai to rwtaw ayto giati exoyme th dhlwsh toy k. Papaqanasioy, o opoios milhse gia anagkh koinwnikhs synoxhs kai en pash periptwsei afhse na ennohqei oti to prwto melhma ths kybernhshs den einai h meiwsh toy elleimmatos. Yparxei allagh sth stash ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Anafereste profanws sth xqesinobradinh grapth toy dhlwsh, giati o k. Papaqanasioy ekane dhlwsh kai shmera, prin apo ligo, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy. H dhlwsh ayth einai mia synolikh dhlwsh, topoqetei to qema stis pragmatikes toy diastaseis. Qa hqela na th diabasete oloklhrh, oxi apospasmatika, giati akribws qetei oles tis parametroys ths ellhnikhs proseggishs se ola ta synafh qemata.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Epitrecte moy na epimeinw. Kai rwtw kati para poly sygkekrimeno: Otan mila gia anagkh koinwnikhs synoxhs kai en pash periptwsei afhnei se deyterh moira th meiwsh twn elleimmatwn, den einai allagh ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, etsi opws thn askoyse o k. Alogoskoyfhs mexri protinos;

ANTWNAROS: Kai epanalambanw: Einai mia synolikh dhlwsh. Teinete - -kai den sas apodidw kamia proqesh se ayto- - na apomonwsete stoixeia. H dhlwsh einai mia synolikh dhlwsh, an qelete na sas th diabasw, h opoia qetei oles tis parametroys ths proseggishs se ayta ta sygkekrimena qemata. Einai polla qemata. Diafora apo ayta ta qemata epikalyptontai. Kai topoqetoymenos shmera, meta thn oloklhrwsh ths synedriashs ths Oikonomikhs Epitrophs, o k. Papaqanasioy, afoy anaferqhke sta qemata poy syzhthqhkan kai ta opoia gnwrizete, ekane epishs mia topoqethsh. Oi topoqethseis sta oikonomika qemata den einai pote monoshmantes, exoyn polles diastaseis. Eidika otan kai h xwra mas, opws oi alles eyrwpaikes xwres kai oxi monon, briskontai mesa se mia dieqnh oikonomikh krish, h opoia ejelissetai synexws. Mia krish poy exei oloena kai kainoyrgies diastaseis. Kaneis den jerei to ryqmo ths. Eidate ti symbainei kai se alles xwres. Ekeino, loipon, to opoio einai shmantiko, einai: Na parakoloyqoyme aytes tis ejelijeis, poy epanalambanw den aforoyn mono th xwra mas, aforoyn oles tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, kai na eimaste se qesh na antimetwpizoyme tis parenergeies, tis synepeies ayths ths krishs me ton kalytero dynato tropo, eidika g` aytoys poy exoyn th megalyterh anagkh - -alla anagkh exoyn endexomenws kai oi mikromesaies epixeirhseis, polloi tomeis, polloi xwroi ths ellhnikhs koinwnias- - kai taytoxrona na antapokrinomaste, opws eipe xqes o k. Papaqanasioy, stis ypoxrewseis tis opoies exoyme kai emeis, opws oi alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, apenanti sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh ths opoias apoteloyme melos. Den exw na pw tipote allo se ayto. Ayta moy fainetai oti einai aytonohta, apla pragmata, alla prepei kapoios na ta blepei panta synolika.

RABANOS: Den qewreite oti h xqesinh ypobaqmish ths pistolhptikhs ikanothtas ths xwras apo ena dieqnh oiko isodynamei me apodokimasia ths askoymenhs ws shmera oikonomikhs politikhs;

ANTWNAROS: Parapempw sth dhlwsh toy k. Papaqanasioy. Den exw na pw kati allo pera ap` ayto.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, opws qa gnwrizete kai eseis, to kyriarxo qema poy apasxolhse th shmerinh Diypoyrgikh Epitroph einai to qema ths reystothtas twn trapezwn...

ANTWNAROS: Ths reystothtas sthn oikonomia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sthn oikonomia, na to pw etsi sygkekrimena. Wstoso, omws, edw pera, apo tis dhlwseis toy k. Papaqanasioy fanhke na prokyptei problhma ws pros thn poreia efarmoghs aytoy toy sxedioy. Alhqeyei;

ANTWNAROS: Apo tis dhlwseis toy k. Papaqanasioy, tis opoies epikaleiste kai tis opoies exw kai mprosta moy, prokyptei oti h kybernhsh qa askei toys elegxoys poy apaitoyntai, se synergasia me thn Trapeza ths Ellados, wste ayto to sxedio twn 28 dis eyrw gia thn enisxysh ths reystothtas sthn pragmatikh oikonomia, ayta ta xrhmata na metatrapoyn, opws eipe epi lejei o k. Papaqanasioy, se fqhna stegastika daneia kai epixeirhmatika. Na fqasoyn, dhladh, ston Ellhna polith, ston Ellhna mikromesaio epixeirhmatia kai se osoys apasxoloyn Ellhnes polites.

PALAIOLOGOS: H erwthsh moy, omws, htan pio sygkekrimenh. Egw sas rwthsa an yparxei problhma efarmoghs toy sxedioy aytoy, enisxyshs ths reystothtas sthn agora, dedomenoy oti yparxei, diefanh apo tis dhlwseis toy k. Papaqanasioy oti ginetai mia ekklhsh pros tis trapezes kai pros toys alloys emplekomenoys foreis na analaboyn tis eyqynes toys.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa. Mhn jexnate mono oti h efarmogh, h ylopoihsh toy sxedioy, arxise prin apo ligo.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na rwthsw giati apomakrynontai oloi oi synergates kai oi anqrwpoi toys opoioys eixe epilejei o k. Alogoskoyfhs apo shmantikes qeseis toy dhmosioy tomea.

ANTWNAROS: To stelexiako dynamiko kaqe Ypoyrgeioy employtizetai synexws. Kai qa hqela na sas parakalesw na mhn genikeyete ayto ton employtismo stelexiakoy dynamikoy. Allwste, isxyoyn, oson afora thn eisodo h kai thn apoxwrhsh kapoiwn stelexwn, ayta poy pragmatika anakoinwnontai kai oxi diafores eikotologies.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ep` aytoy. Mhpws qa mporoysame na syndesoyme aytes tis allages me to oti h kybernhsh qelei na emfanisei ayth th stigmh ena pio koinwniko profil se o,ti afora ta qemata ths oikonomias; Kai aparneitai to parelqon ths;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gi` ayta ta qemata, ta exw pei.

KAPRALOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw an sth shmerinh synedriash ths Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs gia thn oikonomia, syzhthqhke to qema toy aforologhtoy orioy gia toys mikromesaioys to 10.500 eyrw. An exoyme kati neotero ep` aytoy.

ANTWNAROS: Anaferqhke o k. Papaqanasioy sta qemata poy syzhthqhkan.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: To erxomeno Sabbato ginetai sth Mosxa mia Synodos Koryfhs gia to qema toy fysikoy aerioy. H Mosxa, h opoia sygkalei ayth th Synodo, qa kalesei oles tis xwres oi opoies synergazontai h pairnoyn fysiko aerio. Qa hqela na rwthsw: Exei prosklhqei o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos kai an, nai, exei prosklhqei qa parastei;

ANTWNAROS: Mexri pro oligoy, mexri dhladh th stigmh poy efyga gia na erqw edw na sas enhmerwsw, den eixe h ellhnikh pleyra kamia epishmh enhmerwsh gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Oi plhrofories tis opoies exoyme, einai eidhseografikes. Synepws den exw na topoqethqw gia mia prosklhsh h opoia den exei fqasei epishmws.

PALAIOLOGOS: Me aformh thn erwthsh ths synadelfoy gia thn apoxwrhsh orismenwn stelexwn apo to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias, mporeite na mas ejhghsete toys logoys poy apoxwrhse xqes o dioikhths toy IKA, o k. Mergos;

ANTWNAROS: Katarxas, den einai qema toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias ayto.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi. Eipa me aformh...

ANTWNAROS: Anafereste se allo Ypoyrgeio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, to Ypoyrgeio Apasxolhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh, eklambanetai ayto sth dhmosiografikh, as to poyme, agora oti yparxei ena ``jhlwma'' mhxanismoy, proswpwn poy proskeintai se prohgoymenh katastash.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka. Den mporw na sas parakoloyqhsw oyte se tetoioys xarakthrismoys, oyte se dhmosiografikes ermhneies tis opoies kanete. Ayto apotelei diko sas, kai apo emena kaqola sebasto, dhmosiografiko pronomio, na kanete dhladh ermhneies. Alla den shmainei ayto oti egw tis symmerizomai.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Shmera dhmosieyetai ston Typo h polyselidh epistolh toy ELA. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, an yparxei politikos sxediasmos gia thn antimetwpish toy qematos, dhladh to pws apo edw kai pera qa kinhqei h Ellhnikh Astynomia, politika.

ANTWNAROS: H bia, apo opoy kai an proerxetai, einai apolytws katadikastea. Den exei kanena dikaiologhtiko logo. Den prokeitai na asxolhqw me flhnafhmata poy periexontai se keimena kapoiwn poy prospaqoyn na dikaiologhsoyn th xrhsh bias.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: An moy epitrepete...

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw kai gia ta 500 ekatommyria eyrw poy prokeitai na parei h Ellada megalwnontas to dhmosio xreos...

ANTWNAROS: Den katalaba poia einai h erwthsh sas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Miso lepto. Ap o,ti katalabame, apo ayta poy eipe xqes o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai to eipate ki eseis prin apo ligo...

ANTWNAROS: Ti eipa egw;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Yparxei mia synolikh antimetwpish gia th meiwsh toy elleimmatos, alla kai ths diaxeirishs ths koinwnikhs synoxhs.

ANTWNAROS: Den anaferqhka se sygkekrimena pragmata. Kai bebaiws den anaferqhka se kanena poso. Ekeino to opoio eipa...

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Loipon, egw sas lew oti to elleimma megalwnei. H xwra mas qa daneistei alla 500 ekatommyria eyrw. Pws prokeitai na to antimetwpisei ayto to qema h ellhnikh kybernhsh; Kai pali qa thn plhrwsei o forologoymenos poliths;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oti apo to 7,5% opoy breqhke to elleimma to 2004, exei meiwqei shmantika. Kai ekeino to opoio kanoyme, einai ayto poy periexetai sthn xqesinh anakoinwsh toy k. Papaqanasioy kai sthn opoia sas parapempw. Loipon...

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Tis paroxes. Twra arxizete kai kanete paroxes. Ti prokeitai na ginei;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio kanoyme einai na frontizoyme wste oi synepeies ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs, poy fysika erxontai kai sth xwra mas, na einai oso to dynaton ligoteres, mikroteres kyriws gia ekeinoys poy exoyn anagkh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Me sygxwreite, ti qa ginei me ayto to pragma. Efoson qa daneistoyme, ti qa ginei me ton Ellhna forologoymeno polith;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na enhmerwqeite akribws ti einai to elleimma kai ti einai o dhmosios daneismos, giati egw den prokeitai...

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qelete na mas ta peite eseis mia kai ta jerete toso kala gia na ta katalaboyme kai emeis;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai dikh moy doyleia. Aplws, mperdeyete pragmata ta opoia kapoy diabazete...

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kaqoloy den ta mperdeyw. An qelete, peste mas eseis gia na enhmerwqei kai o kosmos.

ANTWNAROS: Thn erwthsh sas perimenw.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Sas ekana thn erwthsh, apanthste moy.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. O,ti eixa na sas pw gia thn oikonomia, sas to eipa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Xqes, sas egine mia erwthsh gia thn proqesh toy PASOK na ypoballei protash gia proanakritikh, kai eipate oti den sxoliazete proqeseis. Twra poy einai gegonos, ti exete na peite;

ANTWNAROS: Emeis den prokeitai na symballoyme, se kamia periptwsh, sthn proqesh poy exei to PASOK na poinikopoihsei thn politikh zwh ths xwras. To sygkekrimeno qema sto opoio anafereste, to aithma ayto, to kataqetei to PASOK gia deyterh fora sth Boylh, enw gnwrizei para poly kala oti to qema exei diereynhqei diejodika apo thn Ejetastikh Epitroph. To logo apo dw kai pera ton exei h Dikaiosynh. To PASOK prospaqei na dhmioyrghsei entypwseis gia dikoys toy eswkommatikoys logoys. Den qa to kataferei fysika.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qa apoxwrhsei, dhladh, h Nea Dhmokratia;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to qema, to eipa.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Sas rwtaw sygkekrimena: Qa apoxwrhsei;

ANTWNAROS: Kai egw sas apanthsa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ep' aytoy, an moy epitrepete.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sas rwthsa kai xqes, ti qa kanete sthn periptwsh poy yparjei protash apo Boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias kai symfwnhsoyn me to aithma gia proanakritikh.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka. Den exw na pw kati allo.

Sas eyxaristw.

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