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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 16 Ianoyarioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 180914278

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 16 Ianoyarioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite, poio einai to nohma twn ekklhsewn kai twn piesewn ek meroys ths kybernhshs kai apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo ton k. Papaqanasioy pros tis trapezes, na ayjhsoyn th reystothta pros tis epixeirhseis kai thn agora; Dhladh, h kybernhsh den exei diasfalisei me to nomosxedio oti ayto qa ginei;

ANTWNAROS: To sxedio gia thn enisxysh ths reystothtas sthn Oikonomia twra exei arxisei na ylopoieitai. Einai sygkekrimenh h stoxeysh toy kai h stoxeysh ayth qa epiteyxqei.

KAKALHS: Pws mporeite na ypoxrewsete tis trapezes, afoy den to exete diasfalisei me to nomo, oti qa efarmosoyn, qa rijoyn th reystothta sthn agora;

ANTWNAROS: Qa perimenete kai qa deite sthn prajh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Sth synanthsh toy k. Papaqanasioy me ton k. Abramopoylo, o k. Papaqanasioy eipe oti qa doqoyn xrhmata gia thn Ygeia. Epeidh kati tetoio zhtoysan kai sto parelqon apo ton k. Alogoskoyfh kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs elege oti, en pash periptwsei, den yparxoyn xrhmata na doqoyn. Kai malista yphrxan kai sygkekrimenes diamartyries apo ergazomenoys sta nosokomeia oti den yphrxe yliko, en pash periptwsei, oti den yphrxan xrhmata. Mhpws mporeite na moy peite, pws jafnika h kybernhsh brhke ta xrhmata kai poy ta brhke gia na ta dwsei sthn Ygeia;

ANTWNAROS: Parapempw stis dhlwseis twn dyo Ypoyrgwn. Einai plhreis, synolikes. Den exw na pw kati allo.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ep` aytoy, den mporeite na mas dieykrinisete, giati fantazomai oti eseis jerete, poy brhke h kybernhsh ta xrhmata; Giati ayto den to apanthsan oi dyo Ypoyrgoi.

ANTWNAROS: Parapempw sth dhlwsh toy k. Papaqanasioy.

KAKALHS: Pote ektima h kybernhsh oti qa exoyme fqhna stegastika h katanalwtika daneia, opws eipe xqes o Ypoyrgos, ejaitias kai toy paketoy enisxyshs twn 28 dis eyrw pros tis trapezes, me dedomeno oti opws eipe ekproswpos twn trapezwn, den yparxei reystothta sthn agora, oyte sth diatrapezikh.

ANTWNAROS: Monos sas to eipate.

KAKALHS: Egw eipa ti leei o ekproswpos twn trapezwn. Ayto yioqeteite kai eseis;

ANTWNAROS: Eite jerei kapoios ti symbainei ayth th stigmh sthn Eyrwph kai fysika kai sthn Ellada, eite kanei oti den jerei.

KAKALHS: To qema einai ta 28 disekatommyria, poy phgan; Toys ta xarisate;

ANTWNAROS: Oso kai na prospaqeite na dhmioyrghsete entypwseis, me to sygkekrimeno qema, gia pollosth fora se ayth thn aiqoysa, para tis safeis apanthseis poy exw dwsei egw kai alloi, me koryfaio ton Prwqypoyrgo, den to katafernete. Dioti, einai para poly aplo: Prwton, den xaristhke oyte xarizetai oyte prokeitai na xaristei kanena eyrw apo ton kratiko Proypologismo. Ta 28 disekatommyria ta opoia anaferete eseis, einai enisxysh ths reystothtas sthn oikonomia. Mias reystothtas poy exei problhmata se olon ton eyrwpaiko - -kai oxi mono- - xwro kai fysika kai sthn Ellada. Kai ta xrhmata ayta, ta 28 ayta disekatommyria, ypodiairoyntai se treis kathgories, stis opoies exoyme anaferqei epaneilhmmenws leptomereiaka. Eipa, oti twra molis arxizei kai ylopoieitai to sygkekrimeno ayto programma, me sygkekrimenh stoxeysh, me sygkekrimenh organwsh. Qa perimenete, loipon, na proxwrhsei h ylopoihsh. Otan h ylopoihsh exei arxisei edw kai liges hmeres - -giati peri hmerwn prokeitai- - den pisteyw na perimenete na deite amesws, apo th mia mera sthn allh, ta apotelesmata.

KAKALHS: Den exei shmasia, ti perimenw egw. Kai einai atyxes ek meroys sas na to proswpopoieite. To qema einai...

ANTWNAROS: Eseis to proswpopoieite. Egw den to proswpopoiw kaqoloy...

KAKALHS: Egw sas antimetwpizw san Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo. Einai safes ayto, den exei na kanei me proswpikes aixmes. Egw rwtaw, afoy exei sygkekrimenh stoxeysh, poia einai ayth h stoxeysh; Pote qa pesei to xrhma sthn agora;

ANTWNAROS: Molis arxise h ylopoihsh toy programmatos. Qa perimenete kai qa deite.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Me aformh to proeklogiko klima poy yparxei, 32 boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias kateqesan ena ypomnhma sto opoio ekfrazoyn thn agwnia toys gia ta problhmata twn agrotwn. H kybernhsh skopeyei na ferei sth dhmosiothta kapoio allo paketo gia thn epilysh twn problhmatwn twn agrotwn;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas apanthsw: Prwton, den yparxei kanena proeklogiko klima. Kai en pash periptwsei, tetoio proeklogiko klima, sto opoio eseis anafereste, den dhmioyrgeitai, den prokaleitai apo thn kybernhsh h apo thn kybernhtikh pleiochfia. Deyteron, einai fysiko stis Dhmokraties - -kai h Ellada einai mia Dhmokratia poy leitoyrgei ypodeigmatika apo to 1974 mexri shmera kai qa synexisei na leitoyrgei etsi- - oi boyleytes olwn twn kommatwn, fysika kai toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias, na ypoballoyn, na synocizoyn tis protaseis toys, tis idees toys kai na metaferoyn tis apoceis omadwn stis perifereies opoy eklegontai. Egw den briskw tipota periergo se ayto. Gnwrizete oti h kybernhsh, poly prosfata kai ennow tis teleytaies ebdomades, exei labei sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies ston agrotiko tomea. Anaferw merikes apo aytes: -Diasfalisame gia toys neoys agrotes thn ayjhsh ths xrhmatodothshs stis 70.000 eyrw. -Katabalame stoys dikaioyxoys meionektikwn perioxwn, me thn ennoia oti eixan problhma apo tis times ths paragwghs toys, twn eidwn poy parhgan, thn ejiswtikh apozhmiwsh ycoys 170 ekat. eyrw. -Xrhmatodotoyme, me atoko daneio 150 ekat. eyrw, tis Enwseis Agrotikwn Synetairismwn gia ameses prokataboles stoys paragwgoys dhmhtriakwn. -Pistwqhkan perysi, dhladh sto telos toy 2008, nwritera apo kaqe allh xronia sto parelqon oi logariasmoi 900.000 agrotwn eniaias enisxyshs me poso 2.100.000.000 eyrw.

Sas ypenqymizw akomh oti molis xqes o neos Ypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs k. Swthrhs Xatzhgakhs synanthqhke me antiproswpeia agrotwn apo sygkekrimenh perioxh ths xwras, oi opoioi toy ejeqesan ta aithmata poy exoyn, tis qeseis toys gia sygkekrimena qemata ta opoia apasxoloyn to sygkekrimeno xwro. O k. Xatzhgakhs zhthse thn apaitoymenh pistwsh xronoy gia na enhmerwqei. Ola ayta ti shmainoyn; Oti exoyme skycei panw apo toys agrotes, oxi twra, alla apo thn arxh poy ayth h kybernhsh anelabe thn eyqynh ths diakybernhshs ths xwras - -anaferqhka apla sta poly prosfata twn teleytaiwn dyo mhnwn- - kai qa synexisoyme na to kanoyme, opws to kanoyme gia oles tis omades kai kyriws gia ekeines poy exoyn th megalyterh anagkh.

KAKALHS: Ayto to nohma ths pistwshs xronoy den katalaba, poy zhta o Ypoyrgos. Ta parelabe apo kapoia prohgoymenh kybernhsh; Allaje h kybernhsh kai den to katalaba; Ti pistwsh xronoy zhta o Ypoyrgos;

ANTWNAROS: Na enhmerwqei, gia na to katalabete.

KAKALHS: Prepei na perimenoyme, dhladh, gia ton anasxhmatismo genikotera, na dwsoyme pistwsh xronoy sthn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Anaferqhka se sygkekrimeno qema.

KAKALHS: Isxyei, fantazomai, kai gia toys alloys Ypoyrgoys.

PALAIOLOGOS: Prohgoymenws xrewsate th dhmioyrgia proeklogikoy klimatos se allo komma, se alles politikes dynameis...

ANTWNAROS: Egw den th xrewsa se kanenan. Ekeino to opoio eipa - -gia na einai jekaqaro ayto to opoio eipa- - einai oti en pash periptwsei ayto to klima to opoio epikalesthke h k. Kalogeropoyloy, den jerw an yparxei, to epikalesthke, an yparxei, den ofeiletai oyte sthn kybernhsh, oyte sthn kybernhtikh pleiochfia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Malista. Tote na rwthsw to ejhs: Xqes, egine synanthsh metajy toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias k. Papaqanasioy me ton Ypoyrgo Ygeias k. Abramopoylo gia ena xronio zhthma...

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa pro oligoy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi. Allo qelw na rwthsw, jerw, gia ena xronio zhthma kai dieyqethqhkan ta xreh h toylaxiston doqhke to prasino fws gia na dieyqethqoyn ta xreh. Proxqes, apo to bhma ayto yperaspisthkate tis proslhceis poy mporei na kanoyn oi DEKO h oi Dhmoi. Kai egw anarwtiemai, breqhkan jafnika xrhmata;

ANTWNAROS: Moy qetete jana thn idia erwthsh. Parapempw sthn apanthsh poy edwsa. Alla sthn erwthsh sas qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti...

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi, sthn oysia eqesa ena dilhmma emmesws: 'H breqhkan xrhmata jafnika h mallon pame grhgora se ekloges.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka.

KAKALHS: Giati na entaxqei kapoios sth ryqmish gia ta lhjiproqesma xreh poy anakoinwse xqes o Ypoyrgos, otan einai sigoyro oti qa ferei h kybernhsh kai allh ryqmish se syntomo xroniko diasthma;

ANTWNAROS: Einai kaqarh h dhlwsh toy Ypoyrgoy.

KAKALHS: Kaqe hmera kanete eynoikes ryqmiseis gia lhjiproqesma xreh. Giati na entaxqei kapoios;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh h kybernhsh krata thn idia stash apenanti sto Israhl kai apenanti stoys Palaistinioys, mhpws skopeyei na katadikasei ayta poy ginontai sth Gaza, otan bombardizetai oloklhrh h polh kai skotwnontai amaxoi;

ANTWNAROS: Eyxaristws, qa sas dwsw, meta to peras ths enhmerwshs, th shmerinh topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Boylh.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos sth Boylh den anefere tipota, oson afora to xqesino egklhma enantion toy OHE sth Gaza, to bombardismo dhladh kai thn katastrofh ths kentrikhs apoqhkhs trofimwn. Kai oyte h kybernhsh eixe topoqethqei gia to bombardismo toy sxoleioy toy OHE, oyte gia to konboi ths anqrwpistikhs bohqeias. An ayto den einai synenoxh, tote ti einai;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos ypeyqyna kai oxi me krayges, opws qa hqelan kapoioi, topoqethqhke kai se ayta ta qemata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw anarwtiemai an meta th dieyqethsh twn xrewn, breqhkan jafnika xrhmata apo ton kratiko korbana, poy mexri prosfata den yphrxan.

ANTWNAROS: Sas protrepw, gia allh mia fora, na diabasete oles tis dhlwseis synolika...

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia na kanw mia tetoia erwthsh, proypotiqetai oti exw diabasei tis dhlwseis. Kai anarwtiemai, epeidh o k. Abramopoylos, se ayto to qema exei estiasei edw kai para polla xronia, dhladh, apo tote poy anelabe Ypoyrgos Ygeias.

ANTWNAROS: Diabaste tis dhlwseis apo thn arxh mexri to telos, giati ayta ta opoia moy lete, moy deixnoyn akribws oti den exete diabasei tis dhlwseis synolika.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw anarwtiemai: Breqhkan xrhmata apo ekei poy den yphrxan;

ANTWNAROS: Diabaste synolika tis dhlwseis kai toy k. Abramopoyloy kai toy k. Papaqanasioy.

KAKALHS: Pws sxoliazete th megalyterh mhniaia ayjhsh poy shmeiwqhke stis akalyptes epitages ton perasmeno Dekembrh, apo to 1960.

ANTWNAROS: Qa to janapw gia mia akomh fora: Lypamai an kapoioi den antilambanontai oti dierxomaste th megalyterh oikonomikh krish twn teleytaiwn 80 etwn.

KAKALHS: (Den akoygetai) h kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Oi xwres oles, apantaxoy ston kosmo, dierxontai th megalyterh krish twn teleytaiwn 80 etwn. Merikoi kanoyn oti den to exoyn katalabei. Kai otan to katalabainoyn h paradexontai oti to katalabainoyn giati den mporoyn na kanoyn alliws, prospaqoyn na epirricoyn ta panta sthn kybernhsh. Einai ena dieqnes fainomeno ayto, toy opoioy oyte to eyros, oyte th diarkeia, oyte oles tis diastaseis gnwrizoyme, dioti exei grhgorh ejelijh. As parakoloyqoyme kai ligo tis ejelijeis pera apo ta synora ths xwras mas, na doyme kai ti ginetai kai se alles xwres.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Akribws, kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh briskomaste sth megalyterh oikonomikh krish twn teleytaiwn xronwn...

ANTWNAROS: Twn teleytaiwn 80 etwn.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: ... twn teleytaiwn 80 etwn, einai ajioperiergo pws ayth th xronikh stigmh lynetai oikonomika to qema ths Ygeias, dhladh qa kalyfqei to elleimma poy yparxei kata 30% kai pws ginontai proslhceis. Den einai ajioperiergo;

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh epimenete sto qema, qa sas diabasw thn apanthsh poy edwse o k. Papaqanasioy: ``H shmerinh synanthsh htan gia mena enhmerwtikh. Epibebaiwqhkan osa eixan symfwnhqei se prohgoymenes synanthseis metajy twn Ypoyrgwn, toy k. Alogoskoyfh kai toy k. Abramopoyloy kai doqhkan, opws elexqh apo ton k. Abramopoylo, odhgies stis yphresies toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn na epejergastoyn tis leptomereies, etsi wste na erqei kai to sxetiko nomosxedio sth Boylh to taxytero dynaton. H synanthsh ayth, pragmati, egine se mia fortismenh periodo gia enan kainoyrio Ypoyrgo poy analambanei, alla apodeiknyei akribws kai th shmasia poy dinei h kybernhsh synolika sta qemata ths Ygeias kai sthn antimetwpish aytwn twn zhthmatwn poy einai gia mas prwths proteraiothtas''. Ti leei h apanthsh; ``Epibebaiwqhkan osa eixan symfwnhqei se prohgoymenes synanthseis''.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Epibebaiwqhke oti yparxei ena megalo xreos kai oti qa dinontoysan ayta ta xrhmata. Ta xrhmata omws qa doqoyn twra.

ANTWNAROS: An ayto katalabainete apo thn apanthsh poy sas th diabasa oloklhrh sas parakalw na thn janadiabasete.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Eseis ti allo katalabainete;

ANTWNAROS: Einai diko sas qema na ermhneysete tis apanthseis. Oxi diko moy. Thn ermhneia thn kanete eseis.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to erwthma einai poy qa breqoyn ta lefta. Egw rwtw, loipon: Apo daneismo qa ta breite; Einai jekaqarh h apanthsh. Kapoy prepei na ta breite. Den yparxoyn apo mona toys, ara qa daneistoyme pali, ap` o,ti fainetai. Ayth, loipon, qa eprepe na einai h apanthsh sas.

ANTWNAROS: To ellhniko Dhmosio, eite qelei kapoios na to katalabei, eite den qelei, xrhmatodotei ena meros twn tameiakwn toy anagkwn, asfalws, me daneismo. Fysiko den einai; Dhladh, giati to qetete ayto to qema;

FANIDHS: Oxi, den to eqesa ws momfh. Apla prepei na dieykrinistei, oti den exoyme xrhmata kai qa daneistoyme. Giati daneizomenoi ayjanoyme kai to xreos, etsi;

ANTWNAROS: Shmasia exei h orqologikh katanomh twn yparxontwn kondyliwn. Ayto einai ekeino poy metraei, wste na exoyn - -na to pw etsi;-- koinwnikh apodosh, oysiastikh apodosh gia th megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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