Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-01-13

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 13 Ianoyarioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 180383046

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 13 Ianoyarioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

" Ayrio, Tetarth 14 Ianoyarioy 2009, stis 10.00, qa synedriasei sto Megaro Majimoy, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Gia to qema qa enhmerwqeite argotera.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs eixe shmera to prwi thlefwnikh synomilia me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Rwsikhs Omospondias k. Blantimir Poytin. H epikoinwnia, diarkeias peripoy 15-16 leptwn, egine katopin prwtoboylias toy k. Poytin. Kyrio qema ths syzhthshs htan to qema to opoio eixe anakycei sxetika me th roh toy rwsikoy fysikoy aerioy pros tis xwres ths Eyrwphs kai fysika kai pros th xwra mas. O k. Poytin ejeqese ston k. Karamanlh tis apoceis ths rwsikhs pleyras. O Prwqypoyrgos ejefrase thn anhsyxia toy sxetika me ta problhmata poy exoyn anakycei anaforika me thn trofodosia ths eyrwpaikhs, alla bebaiws kai ths ellhnikhs pleyras eidikotera, me rwsiko fysiko aerio. Taytoxrona, ejefrase thn elpida oti o k. Poytin qa kanei o,ti einai efikto, prokeimenoy na doqei oristikh lysh sto qema kai na ejasfalistei h promhqeia twn xwrwn ths notioanatolikhs Eyrwphs, ths Eyrwphs synolikotera kai eidikotera ths xwras mas, me rwsiko fysiko aerio. Sas ypenqymizw oti xqes sto ektakto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn Energeias ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, epeteyxqh h sygkekrimenh symfwnia. Thn Ellada, ekproswphse sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn, o Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Kwsths Xatzhdakhs. Kata th diarkeia ths epikoinwnias poy eixan o k. Karamanlhs me ton k. Poytin, egine epishs anaskophsh ths dimeroys synergasias poy ejelissetai omala sta energeiaka, ta oikonomika, ta toyristika, ta amyntika qemata kai genikotera se oloys toys tomeis koinoy endiaferontos.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MPALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mporeite na mas peite, an sthn epikoinwnia symfwnhqhke na yparjei kapoia episkech, kapoia synanthsh, h an syzhthqhkan qemata poy aforoyn thn proklhtikothta ths Agkyras, to teleytaio diasthma, sto Aigaio;

ANTWNAROS: Syzhthqhkan ta qemata poy sas eipa. Den exw kati allo na prosqesw.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Amerikanos ekproswpos toy State Department eipe oti se o,ti afora thn istoria toy Astakoy oti anaballetai o anefodiasmos gia logoys asfaleias. Toso eseis, oso kai h k. Mpakogiannh eixate afhsei na ennohqei oti den yphrxe kanena qema anefodiasmoy apo kanena ellhniko limani, oyte apo ton Astako, oyte apo allo ellhniko limani. Emmesa, o Amerikanos sas diaceydei. Exete na peite kati;

ANTWNAROS: Den blepw kapoia diaceysh. Isxyoyn osa eipa ws ekproswpos ths ellhnikhs pleyras, ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai isxyoyn bebaiws osa eipe kai h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Mpakogiannh.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh apo th mia dhlwnei oti qelei na steilei anqrwpistikh bohqeia sth Gaza, thn idia stigmh omws epitrepei th metafora polemikoy ylikoy mesa apo ta limania ths xwras kai taytoxrona paraxwrei kai enaerio xwro gia israhlines askhseis ths israhlinhs aeroporias. Ayta ta dyo, pws symbibazontai;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den antilhfqhkate, ti eipa molis pro oligoy. H ellhnikh pleyra den epetrece kamia tetoia metafora. Teleia kai payla.

KAKALHS: Pote mexri shmera; Ayto ennoeite;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh pleyra den epetrece kamia tetoia metafora. Milame gia sygkekrimeno qema kai se ayto apantw.

KAKALHS: Otan lete ``sygkekrimeno qema'', poio ennoeite;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto gia to opoio me rwthse molis pro oligoy h k. Kalogeropoyloy. Exw dwsei jekaqarh apanthsh apo xqes. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Xqes, se o,ti afora thn apagwgh toy k. Panagopoyloy, to PASOK ejefrase thn apoch oti tetoioy eidoys apagwges symbainoyn se tritokosmikes xwres. Pws blepete ayth thn apoch;

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizete thn apanthsh poy edwse o k. Prokophs Paylopoylos, ep` aytoy;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelete na moy apanthsete; Alliws qa rwtaga ton k. Prokoph Paylopoylo.

ANTWNAROS: To PASOK exei mia monimh tash, ton teleytaio kairo, na dysfhmei th xwra.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Miso lepto, kyrie Ekproswpe. Edw blepoyme oti ola ta jena eidhseografika praktoreia kai se site kai oi efhmerides anaferontai me para poly sklhra sxolia se ayta poy symbainoyn sthn Ellada kai eidika sto qema twn apagwgwn poy symbainoyn to teleytaio xroniko diasthma. To PASOK eyqynetai gi` ayto; Ti qelete na peite, oti to PASOK kaqodhgei ta jena Mesa na grafoyn ayta poy grafoyn;

ANTWNAROS: To PASOK, sas eipa, exei mia tash ton teleytaio kairo, me th dosh laikistikoy mikrokommatikoy tropoy me ton opoio proseggizei ta qemata, na dysfhmei th xwra. Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia sth sygkekrimenh ypoqesh einai ena kai mono. Ayto to opoio eipa xqes kai ayto to opoio leme oloi mas: Na doqei aisio telos sthn proswpikh peripeteia enos sympolith mas, o opoios, opws gnwrizete, exei kai sobara problhmata ygeias.

KAKALHS: Qa epanelqw sto qema ths genoktonias twn Palaistiniwn. Hqela na rwthsw, giati h ellhnikh kybernhsh ton teleytaio kairo den exei zhthsei oyte mia fora na stamathsei h eisbolh toy Israhl sth Gaza kai epishs den exei epanalabei th qesh, poy an den kanw laqos eixe palaiotera, gia idrysh anejarthtoy palaistiniakoy kratoys.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw stis poly prosfates dhlwseis ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, k. Mpakogiannh.

KAKALHS: Oi dhlwseis poy ekane xqes h k. Mpakogiannh, meta to KYSEA, den perilambanoyn tipote apo ola ayta poy sas eipa.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw stis poly prosfates dhlwseis ths k. Mpakogiannh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Se ena allo qema. Olo to teleytaio xroniko diasthma blepoyme tis prwtoboylies poy pairnei o Prwqypoyrgos se o,ti afora ta qemata ths Paideias. Kai meta th synanthsh me ton k. Sphliwtopoylo, h entypwsh poy apokomisan oi dhmosiografoi, kai en pash periptwsei olos o kosmos, einai oti milame oysiastika gia ena proeklogiko paketo. Briskomaste konta se ekloges;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas entypwsh, h opoia den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Kai den jerw an einai dokimo, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw, thn proswpikh sas apoch na thn ekfrazete ws genikh apoch. Den yparxei kanena tetoio qema.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Einai kai apoch, gia paradeigma, ths efhmeridas ``TA NEA'', an thn exete diabasei. Dhmosiografikh apoch einai, kyrie Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Den mporei h sygkekrimenh efhmerida na exei thn apoch poy moy lete, meta tis dhlwseis toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy, dioti oi dhlwseis toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy eginan prin apo mish wra. H efhmerida sygkekrimena exei...

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Einai proeklogiko.

ANTWNAROS: Synepws, den yparxei tipote to proeklogiko. Sas parapempw, loipon, stis dhlwseis poy exoyn kanei kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai molis pro oligoy o neos Ypoyrgos Paideias k. Arhs Sphliwtopoylos.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy. Oi proslhceis 60.000 peripoy anergwn sto Dhmosio me lefta toy OAED, den einai mia proeklogikh kinhsh ek meroys ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Apo poy to bgazete ayto;

KAKALHS: Oti prokeitai gia mazikes proslhceis, kai malista...

ANTWNAROS: Apo poy ton bgazete ayto ton ariqmo;

KAKALHS: Toso ektimatai oti einai to...

ANTWNAROS: Poios ton ektima;

KAKALHS: Ektimatai apo ton Typo.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas elega oti den ektimatai apo ton Typo. Ektimatai apo mia ekproswpo toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Kai h ektimhsh ayth, bebaiws, den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Anafereste sth metatroph toy epidomatos anergias se epidoma apasxolhshs, to opoio, opws gnwrizete, metatrepetai twra, wste na isxysei gia ton dhmosio tomea. Yparxei kapoios o opoios leei oti oi anergoi prepei na menoyn anergoi; Eseis yposthrizete kati tetoio;

KAKALHS: Oxi.

ANTWNAROS: Kai qa prepei ekeinoi oi opoioi anaferontai se noymera fantastika kai ejwpragmatika, me ta opoia prospaqoyn aplws kai mono na dhmioyrghsoyn entypwseis, na dinoyn ola ta stoixeia kai oxi orismena mono apo ta stoixeia. Den lene fer` eipein oti einai mia ryqmish poy isxyei twra gia ton idiwtiko tomea kai giati na mhn isxyei kai gia to Dhmosio. Aytes de oi proslhceis, qa ginontai me akribws aitiologhmenh ypoyrgikh apofash gia sygkekrimenes periptwseis, oxi genika kai aorista. Kai efoson oi foreis, opoy prokeitai na apasxolhqoyn oi anqrwpoi poy briskontai sthn anergia, toys apodexontai, prepei na ekdhlwsoyn oi idioi, dhladh eite dhmoi einai eite DEKO, oti toys qeloyn na doylecoyn ekei kai exoyn kai ta oikonomika mesa, toys poroys gia na katabaloyn tis amoibes toys h th diafora, an qelete, ths amoibhs toys, kaqws kai tis asfalistikes toys kataboles.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Posoys afora; Gia na katalaboyme. Afoy, en pash periptwsei, ayta poy akoyme apo alloys...

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na sas to pw, dioti aplws didetai h dynatothta se anqrwpoys oi opoioi einai anergoi, anti na meinoyn anergoi na broyn apasxolhsh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: To paketo ayto omws poso kosmo afora; Dhladh eseis den exete kanei enan proypologismo; Gia posoys anqrwpoys milate, ti dapanh afora, den to jerei kaneis ayto, na mas to peite;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino poy exei shmasia einai h oysia toy qematos.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Oxi, exei kai to oikonomiko skelos. Gia na katalaboyme ki emeis.

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw, oti shmasia exei to koinwniko skelos en prokeimenw kai oxi toso to oikonomiko. Dhladh, oi anqrwpoi oi opoioi briskontai, xwris doyleia logw kapoiwn synqhkwn, na mporoyn na apasxolhqoyn. Kai anti na pairnoyn epidoma anergias, na pairnoyn epidoma apasxolhshs. Kai an breqei kapoios o opoios qa pei oti ayto den einai dikaio, den einai ikanopoihtiko, na moy ton deijete. Egw den jerw kanenan.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Politiko omws einai kai to erwthma, kyrie Ekproswpe, kai epitrecte moy, to an ginetai ayto gia chfoqhrikoys logoys.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa, etsi skeftontai, profanws oi ekproswpoi toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, epeidh exoyn maqei na skeftontai mono me tetoia mikrokommatika symferonta.

TSIOYFOS: Pantws nomizw oti pera apo to koinwniko sto opoio qa symfwnhsoyme oloi, nomizw oti qa symfwnhsete kai eseis, oti etsi epibarynetai epipleon to ellhniko dhmosio...

ANTWNAROS: Giati epibarynetai; Peite moy.

TSIOYFOS: Giati kyrie Ekproswpe pera apo to poso ths epidothshs poy qa balei, to poso toy epidomatos ths anergias poy qa doqei, opws kai eseis eipate...

ANTWNAROS: Ti eipa;

TSIOYFOS: Oi foreis poy qa proslaboyn qa klhqoyn na (den akoygetai)...

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, den eipa ayto.

TSIOYFOS: ... pleon toy misqoy (den akoygetai).

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, den eipa ayto. Eidate; Ayth einai h dikh sas ermhneia. Prepei na poyn oti exoyn ta lefta gia na toys plhrwsoyn.

TSIOYFOS: Nai.

ANTWNAROS: Dhladh, ta exoyn ta lefta ...

TSIOYFOS: Nai, den qa plhrwsoyn to epipleon ths epidothshs syn tis asfalistikes eisfores;

ANTWNAROS: Malista.

TSIOYFOS: Den qa epibarynqei me ayto to poso to ellhniko Dhmosio;

ANTWNAROS: Prepei na ta exoyn ta xrhmata.

TSIOYFOS: Ti qa pei na ta exoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Prepei na ta exoyn, na dikaiologhsoyn oti ta exoyn ta xrhmata.

TSIOYFOS: (den akoygetai). Erxetai enas Dhmos, enas foreas toy Dhmosioy kai leei : Egw qelw na parw 50.

ANTWNAROS: Ti sas eipa; Oti prepei na toys qeloyn kai prepei na exoyn na toys plhrwsoyn. Safes. Oxi na poyn oti toys qeloyn. Prepei na apodeijoyn oti exoyn ta xrhmata.

TSIOYFOS: Den epibarynetai, anejarthta an exoyn h den exoyn ta lefta, to Dhmosio;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

TSIOYFOS: Eseis lete oti qelete na meiwsete to Dhmosio.

ANTWNAROS: Katagracte ayto poy sas eipa kai an to diabasete me hremia qa deite oti einai apolytws jekaqaro kai apolytws peistiko. Efoson eseis prokrinete me thn dikh sas logikh na menoyn oi anqrwpoi anergoi...

TSIOYFOS: Mhn bazete sto stoma moy...

ANTWNAROS: Ma ayto prokrinete. Egw ti sas lew; Oti to epidoma anergias to opoio an qelete, ``paei xameno'' kata kapoio tropo, ginetai epidoma apasxolhshs. Dhladh ginetai ena kinhtro, wste anti na parei to Dhmosio, kapoios tomeas toy Dhmosioy, alloys anqrwpoys, na parei aytoys. Poly apla ta pragmata.

MANH: Epeidh mporoyme na ypoqesoyme oti to synolo twn anergwn den qa klhqei na paei na doylecei sto Dhmosio. Ena meros toy qa klhqei h ena meros toy qa kataferei na paei na kalycei kapoies qeseis toy Dhmosioy kai den xrhsimopoiw th lejh ``proslhch''. Qa yparjoyn krithria wste na mhn kathgorhqei...

ANTWNAROS: Ti sas eipa; Poia einai ta krithria.

MANH: Poia;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw synocizontas: Ta krithria einai na prepei na toys qeloyn kai na exoyn na toys plhrwsoyn.

MANH: Oxi, oxi, ta krithria. An qa paw, p.x., egw h h Kalogeropoyloy. Ayto ennow. An egw eimai chfoforos sas kai qa me kalycete kai qa afhsete thn Kalogeropoyloy apejw. Ayto rwtw.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa. Metaferete kai edw, oxi apo kakh proqesh, thn antilhch poy exei to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Oxi th dikh sas.

MANH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sthn Ellada zoyme.

ANTWNAROS: Nai, alla h shmerinh kybernhsh exei apodeijei ena pragma: Oti oles oi proslhceis exoyn ginei me ajiokratika krithria.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi, lew, qa tis parete kai tis dyo tis synadelfoys. Egw qelw na rwthsw, apo pote mpainei se efarmogh ayto to sxedio...

ANTWNAROS: Gia tis texnikes leptomereies, parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

MPALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mhpws yparxei eikona gia to qema ths agoras twn omologwn;

ANTWNAROS: Qa hqela na sas parakalesw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio. Den exw na pw kati perissotero apo o,ti eipa xqes.

MANH: Maqainoyme oti prokeitai na synedriasei syntoma h Kybernhtikh Koinwnikh Epitroph. Dedomenoy oti exei sygkrothqei edw kai para polloys mhnes, giati den synedriase pote mexri twra; Ypotiqetai oti o rolos ths einai na parakoloyqei thn efarmogh ths koinwnikhs politikhs kai perilambanei ta ypoyrgeia Apasxolhshs, Ygeias kai Eswterikwn, oson afora toys (den akoygetai). Giati den leitoyrghse pote apo th sygkrothsh ths;

ANTWNAROS: Otan apofasistei, qa enhmerwqeite.

MANH: Oxi, egw rwtw giati den leitoyrghse. Den qelw na moy epibebaiwsete oti qa leitoyrghsei. Giati mexri twra den exei leitoyrghsei;

ANTWNAROS: Otan erqei h wra, qa leitoyrghsei kai qa synedriasei. Den exw tipote allo na sas pw.

FANIDHS: Sas eixa qesei mia erwthsh xqes kai moy eixate pei oti qa enhmerwqeite kai qa mas apanthsete.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws. H apanthsh poy exw na sas dwsw einai oti o Ypoyrgos enhmerwnetai gia ola ta qemata. Otan exei kati kainoyrgio qa sas to pei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh o armodios Ypoyrgos Paideias k. Sphliwtopoylos rwthqhke kai apanthse gia to qema toy asyloy kai dhlwse xarakthristika oti h kybernhsh einai anoikth sto qema toy asyloy, se opoiadhpote protash poy afora thn prostasia toy, yparxei kapoia skech h proqesh ek meroys ths kybernhshs na rijei prwth, qa legame, th dikh ths protash; Na anoijei ta xartia ths, qa to elega diaforetika;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipote peran twn oswn eipe o Ypoyrgos. O Ypoyrgos k. Sphliwtopoylos edwse mia synolikh apanthsh. Eipe oti to asylo einai asylo idewn, asylo apocewn, asylo eleyqerias mesa sto xwro ths panepisthmiakhs koinothtas. Eimaste anoiktoi sto na akoysoyme opoiondhpote mporei na prosferei kai na prostateysei to asylo opws pragmatika einai, ayto poy sas eipa. Kai eipe, apo ekei kai epeita, oti den nooyntai taktikes oi opoies mporoyn na bebhlwnoyn to asylo me bia, me ektropa, me epeisodia, me pragmata, prajeis, ta opoia poly apexoyn apo thn pragmatikh oysia toy asyloy. Tipote allo.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy, qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Prin apo ligo kairo, mas eixate dwsei allh apanthsh eseis. Eixate pei oti se o,ti afora to asylo, isxyei o nomos. H kybernhsh exei kanei nomo th boylhsh ths kai apo ekei kai pera einai qema twn armodiwn forewn na ton efarmosoyn. H shmerinh sas qesh synista diaforopoihsh;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws kai isxyei o nomos. Alla efoson orismenoi...

KAKALHS: Nai, alla shmera mas parapemcate sth dhlwsh toy Ypoyrgoy. Einai kati diaforetiko.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei o nomos. Einai nomos, o opoios chfisthke me protash ayths ths kybernhshs kai problepei sygkekrimenes diadikasies kai sygkekrimenes diatajeis. Orismenoi foreis qetoyn qema asyloy. Kai panw se ayth th syzhthsh, h opoia exei anoijei, topoqethqhke o Ypoyrgos, topoqeteitai h kybernhsh, me ton tropo poy sas eipa.

KAKALHS: Nai. H dhlwsh aytoy toy Ypoyrgoy shmatodotei mia kainoyrgia qesh ths kybernhshs, oson afora thn allagh toy nomoqetikoy plaisioy;

ANTWNAROS: Shmatodotei ayto poy eipe o Ypoyrgos kai tipote parapanw, tipote ligotero.

PALAIOLOGOS: To eqesa to qema toy asyloy arxika, giati yphrje kai mia protash, qa elega, ek meroys ths k. Diamantopoyloy gia logariasmo toy PASOK, den jerw an thn exete ypoch sas, opoy sthn oysia afhse na ennohqei oti qa prepei na yparjei enas neos orismos toy asyloy. Kai me ayth thn aformh kai dedomenoy oti o k. Sphliwtopoylos rwthqhke gia to qema toy asyloy, gi` ayto kai rwthsa an yparxei qema na kanei kapoia protash h kybernhsh twra kai sygkekrimena sthn pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthsh poy exei zhthsei o idios o Prwqypoyrgos.

ANTWNAROS: Menw sth dhlwsh toy Ypoyrgoy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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