Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-11-14

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 14 Noembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 169789541

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 14 Noembrioy 2008

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exei prokalesei entypwsh mia kataqesh sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph mias dikhgoroy, ths k. Swthropoyloy, h opoia eipe oti ths eixe pei o Nomarxhs Qessalonikhs k. Cwmiadhs, pws h entolh poy yparxei gia tis ypoqeseis me th Monh Batopaidioy einai apo poly chla kai den eimai egw aytos, ths eixe pei, poy qa pw oxi ston Prwqypoyrgo k. Karamanlh. Emplekei, dhladh, ton Prwqypoyrgo. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw. Den prokeitai na asxolhqw me tetoies aparadektes anakribeies poy kaneis den jerei, allwste, ti ejyphretoyn. Kai ektos aytoy, yparxei jekaqarh dhlwsh-diaceysh toy Nomarxh Qessalonikhs, ton opoio anaferate.

MIXAHL: Symplhrwmatika qa sas rwthsw to ejhs: O k. Cwmiadhs me shmerines toy dhlwseis se radiofwna eipe oti den pame kala san komma, ta akoysan oi Ypoyrgoi se kamia ebdomada qa ta akoysei kai o Prwqypoyrgos. O k. Cwmiadhs pragmati dieceyse, opws eipate eseis, ayth thn ejelijh th xqesinh, omws shmera kanei politikh kritikh sthn kybernhsh. Qa qelate na sxoliasete thn politikh toy kritikh;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

KAKALHS: Afoy den fobaste thn alhqeia sthn ypoqesh ayth ths Monhs Batopaidioy, pros ti aytoi oi meqodoi ekfobismoy kai apajiwshs twn martyrwn poy akoloyqei systhmatika to teleytaio diasthma h koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia; Giati dhladh boyleytes sas zhtane mexri kai syllhceis martyrwn, pera apo to oti toys apeiloyn anoixta oti qa kathgorhqoyn gia ceydorkia h oti einai pantelws anypolhptoi.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, th diadikasia den th sxoliazw pote. Qa hqela, omws, na sas parakalesw otan moy metaferete pragmata poy moy lete oti elexqhsan sthn Epitroph...

KAKALHS: Dhmosies dhlwseis...

ANTWNAROS: Otan moy metaferete pragmata poy moy lete oti elexqhsan sthn Epitroph, na mh moy metaferete dhmosieymata efhmeridwn. Na moy metaferete akribeis dhlwseis, opws proerxontai apo ta praktika ths Boylhs.

KAKALHS: Milaw gia toys boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias kai ton Koinoboyleytiko Ekproswpo, oi opoioi anoixta prospaqhsan na apajiwsoyn kai na ekfobisoyn toys martyres me dhmosies dhlwseis.

ANTWNAROS: Ypenqymizw gia osoys teinoyn na to jexasoyn gia opoiondhpote logo, oti ayto poy lete ``koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia'', dhladh, to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias kai h kybernhsh, einai ekeines poy zhthsan th systash ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Kaneis allos. Kai ayto apodeiknyei peritrana, pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh, oti emeis eimaste ekeinoi, panw apo opoiondhpote allon kai pera apo opoiadhpote amfibolia, poy qeloyme na xyqei apleto fws se ayth thn ypoqesh. Egw sxoliasmoys den kanw. Paraqetw ta gegonota se ayto to sygkekrimeno qema.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, to ``kaneis allos'' gia thn Ejetastikh Epitroph einai anakribeia, giati h kybernhsh syrqhke sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph. Alloi zhtoysan Ejetastikh prwta, alla ayto einai allo. Egw lew oti afoy pisteyei h kybernhsh oti den exei tipote na fobhqei, giati katafeygei se tetoies meqodoys;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kamia tetoia meqodos.

XRISTAKOS: Thn kybernhsh anhsyxei to qema me tis eispraktikes etaireies poy leitoyrgoyn gia logariasmo twn trapezwn meta kai thn ejelijh me thn Eqnikh Trapeza;

ANTWNAROS: Molis proxqes, o Ypoyrgos k. Fwlias anakoinwse mia seira prwtoboyliwn gia to sygkekrimeno qema. H shmerinh kybernhsh einai ekeinh, poy gia prwth fora sthn istoria ths Elladas, pairnei prwtoboylia wste na teqei terma se tetoies meqodoys, oi opoies einai aparadektes. Oloi aytoi, oi opoioi twra bgainoyn kai lene ti qa eixan kanei, qa mporoysan na to eixan kanei prin apo pente, eji, deka, eikosi xronia. Shmasia exei oti den to ekanan. Emeis shmera to kaname. Tote kwfeyan. Toys afhnan na droyn entelws anejelegkta.

MIXAHL: Parola ayta, para tis prwtoboylies poy anakoinwse o k. Fwlias kai para th dikh sas qelhsh na teleiwsei ayth h istoria, blepoyme oti den eisakoyeste. Me poia ennoia to lew, oti h Eqnikh Trapeza ekane ayth thn kinhsh poy ekane. Ypoxrewqhke, loipon, meta th genikh katakraygh kai tis antidraseis ths antipoliteyshs kai twn ergazomenwn kai thn parembash ths k. Petralia na ta parei pisw. Swsta egine olh ayth h antidrash. To erwthma einai, pws krinete to gegonos pws to koryfaio xrhmatopistwtiko idryma ths xwras agnoei thn politikh boylhsh, den lew na thn akoloyqhsei kata bhma, oti den mporei na ginetai ayto to pragma esaei. Kai proxwraei se ena tetoio metro to opoio dhmioyrgei koinwnikh anataraxh kai anastatwsh.

ANTWNAROS: Egine dhlwsh apo thn k. Petralia xqes, poy ta leei ola. Den exw na pw kati pera ap` ayto. Einai jekaqarh, katadikastikh kai apeikonizei plhrws th qesh ths kybernhshs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw qa epanelqw sto zhthma me thn emplokh toy onomatos toy k. Cwmiadh sthn ypoqesh toy Batopaidioy, giati parapemcate stis jekaqares diaceyseis toy Nomarxh Qessalonikhs. Qa moy epitrecete, giati ton akoysa, eimai wtakoysths twn dhlwsewn kai mono jekaqares den htan, kaqoti den qymotan, an eixe steilei epistolh ston Prwqypoyrgo to 2005, poy anaferotan sto qema toy Batopaidioy. Den qymotan an eixe balei ypografh gia thn paraxwrhsh ektasewn, asxetws an aytes qa phgainan sto Batopaidi h oxi. Pws apo poy kai ws poy einai jekaqares einai oi dhlwseis kai den qymotan epishs kai an exei balei ypografh h oxi se ayth thn istoria. Apo poy kai ws poy prokyptei oti einai jekaqarh h diaceysh toy Nomarxh Qessalonikhs;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy eipa einai jekaqaro. Den xwraei kamia amfibolia. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

PALAIOLOGOS: Eseis eisaste jekaqaros. O k. Cwmiadhs den einai jekaqaros.

ANTWNAROS: Htan apolyth, jekaqarh, h xqesinobradinh diaceysh toy k. Cwmiadh.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sto idio qema. To gegonos omws oti o k. Cwmiadhs polles fores fainetai na ekproswpei ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo, den sas problhmatizei esas ws ekproswpo; Leei oti sto proswpo toy xtypane ton Prwqypoyrgo. Ti ennoei loipon; To exei pei penhnta fores ayto, to exoyme akoysei.

ANTWNAROS: To qema ayto ejantlhqhke. Allh erwthsh.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: To gegonos oti o k. Takhs Aqanasopoylos, ton akoysa xqes na leei, oti gia thn apajiwsh kai ta xalia ths DEH den eyqynetai o idios, afhnontas eyqeies boles sthn kybernhsh, den einai arketos logos gia na epikyrwqei ayth h diastash apocewn. Giati oso o k. Aqanasopoylos menei sth qesh toy, profanws kapoioi katalabainoyn oti exei dikio ws pros toys ypeyqynoys ths katastashs ths DEH. Eseis pws topoqeteiste;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kati neotero gia to qema ths DEH.

KATSABOY: Hqela na rwthsw, kata thn episkech toy ayrio o Prwqypoyrgos sto nomo Kozanhs, an prokeitai na episkefqei kai tis egkatastaseis ths DEH sthn Ptolemaida.

ANTWNAROS: To programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy sas exei koinopoihqei apo to Grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai to gnwrizete. Den exw na prosqesw h na afairesw kati apo ayto to programma.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ep` aytoy. Qa synodeyetai o Prwqypoyrgos apo ton Grammatea toy kommatos k. Zagorith;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai enhmeros ayth th stigmh. Eyxaristws, meta to briefing na enhmerwqw gia to poia stelexh qa pane me ton Prwqypoyrgo sthn Kozanh kai na sas to pw.

PALAIOLOGOS: H ejormhsh ayth, h periodeia toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Kozanh, synista ena eidos ejodoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy apo to Majimoy; Shmatodotei, endexomenws, mia allh proeklogikh taktikh ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: Synista kati para poly aplo: Oti edw kai 11 xronia poy o k. Karamanlhs einai Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias, episkeptetai taktika oles tis perioxes ths xwras.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Se mia xqesinh erwthsh na epanelqw. Moy apanthsate, an den kanw laqos, oti se o,ti leei o k. Alogoskoyfhs exei basimoys logoys, otan sas rwthsa an apodexeste oti yparxoyn kanalia diaplokhs poy sas kanoyn kakopisth kritikh. Qelw na rwthsw kati: Sta tessera xronia kai kati poy einai kybernhsh h Nea Dhmokratia, ti exei kanei akribws qesmika, wste na mhn yparxoyn kanalia diaplokhs, ean yparxoyn h telos pantwn na balei olh ayth thn katastash se ena plaisio, se ena orio na mhn yparxoyn ejwqesmikes drasthriothtes.

ANTWNAROS: Para polla pragmata, sta opoia den briskw skopimo na anaferqw shmera. Den qa kanw mia tetoia analytikh syzhthsh.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Exei kanei pragmata apo ta opoia eiste ikanopoihmenos;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa mpw se ayth th syzhthsh, shmera. Epistrefete se kati to opoio ejantlhsame apo xqes. Se kati poy eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs einai, omws, Ypoyrgos Oikonomias.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti leei o k. Alogoskoyfhs, pataei gera katw kai exei isxy.

MIXAHL: Ti prosdoka o Prwqypoyrgos apo ayth thn episkech sthn Kozanh;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos brisketai se synexh epafh me oles tis perioxes ths xwras. Enhmerwnetai kai me ayto ton tropo apodeiknyetai, gia allh mia fora, oti h kybernhsh kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos einai emprakta konta se oloys toys polites ths xwras.

MIXAHL: Fainetai, omws, oti orismenoi Ypoyrgoi sas den to symmerizontai ayto. Akoysa, shmera, se mia thleoptikh ekpomph ton k. Abramopoylo na leei oti den perimename toso megales epiptwseis kai toso megales synepeies apo thn krish kai kata kapoio tropo edeije oti den hmastan kai proetoimasmenoi na thn antimetwpisoyme.

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh htan para poly kala proetoimasmenh. Exei sxedio, to efarmozei kai stoxos paramenei h anakoyfish ekeinwn poy exoyn megalyterh anagkh kai thn ejasfalish ths reystothtas, dhladh toy ojygonoy sthn oikonomia, kyriws stis mikromesaies epixeirhseis, sta noikokyria poy exoyn anagkh apo xrhma, sta stegastika daneia. To sxedio mas einai plhres, einai oysiastiko kai qa fanei sthn prajh poso apotelesmatiko einai.

ARMENHS: Omws, k. Ekproswpe, to PASOK, o k. Papakwnstantinoy, kathgorei thn kybernhsh oti dinei alloqi stis trapezes gia na mh meiwsoyn ta epitokia. Ti apantate;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Papakwnstantinoy qa eprepe prwta na jerei pws leitoyrgoyn oi dieqneis agores. Eite den jerei, eite kanei oti den jerei. Kai ta dyo, pantws, deixnoyn kati epikindyno: Eite oti exei agnoia, eite oti prospaqei na paraplanhsei toys Ellhnes polites. Se kamia periptwsh den qa ta kataferei. Dioti oi Ellhnes polites exoyn ton koino noy gia na gnwrizoyn poios exei etoimo, oloklhrwmeno, oysiastiko, apotelesmatiko sxedio. Me ayta ta perierga ideologhmata, ta opoia efeyriskoyn kai prospaqoyn na paroysiasoyn oi fwsthres toy PASOK, den mporoyn na petyxoyn tipote. Me diatagmata den peftoyn ta epitokia. Kai qa eprepe na to gnwrizoyn oi kyrioi toy PASOK, giati ayto den ginetai poyqena ston kosmo.

PALAIOLOGOS: Symmerizetai h kybernhsh thn apoch poy ekfrazoyn to teleytaio diasthma polloi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias oti yparxoyn Ypoyrgoi ``kalamokabalarhdes'', oi opoioi einai agkylwmenoi stis karekles toys;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw!

PALAIOLOGOS: Den to lew egw, to lene boyleytes. Akoyga ta radiofwna, xqes, shmera.

ANTWNAROS: Egw den sxoliazw ayta poy lene epwnymws oi boyleytes. Qa sxoliazw ayta poy moy lete eseis oti dhqen lene anwnymoi boyleytes;

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara, den exei h kybernhsh ``kalamokabalarhdes'' Ypoyrgoys.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw para poly.

KAKALHS: Apo polles pleyres diapistwnetai teleytaia mia metabolh politikoy skhnikoy se baros ths kybernhshs, opws anaferetai kai se prwtoselido shmerinhs efhmeridas poy epikaleitai sxetikh dhmoskophsh. Ti periqwrio exei h kybernhsh na antistrecei ayth thn arnhtikh ejelijh se baros ths, me dedomenh thn politikh poy efarmozei;

ANTWNAROS: Me dedomenh thn politikh poy efarmozei - -sas eyxaristw para poly poy moy to lete- - h kybernhsh qa apodeijei jana oti exei thn empistosynh ths pleiochfias twn Ellhnwn politwn.

KAKALHS: Den eyqynetai h politikh ths gia thn ptwsh poy exei shmera.

ANTWNAROS: Mia kybernhsh krinetai sto telos ths diadromhs gia thn opoia exei eklegei na kybernhsei ton topo. Otan oi polites klhqoyn jana na ekferoyn me thn chfo toys thn apoch toys, tote einai poy krinetai mia kybernhsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ektos an kriqei ligo nwritera apo to kanoniko.

ANTWNAROS: Mia kybernhsh krinetai pantote sthn kalph.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ektos kai an h kalph erqei grhgorotera apo o,ti thn perimenoyme.

ANTWNAROS: Epistrefete pali sth xqesinh syzhthsh, kata thn opoia nomizw oti edwsa apanthseis, oi opoies einai pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, katalabainw, den qelw na pw th lejh ``enoxlhsh'' giati mporei na einai kai gia esas enoxlhtiko na syzhtame ta idia kai ta idia, alla blepw apo thn apanthsh sas oti janarxetai ayth h syzhthsh. Dioti, otan lete ``krinetai sto telos ths diadromhs ths otan oi polites qa (den akoygetai) sthn prajh, praktika ayto mas dinei th dynatothta na leme...

ANTWNAROS: Ayto shmainei tessera xronia basei toy ellhnikoy Syntagmatos. To eipa, xqes.

MIXAHL: To diabasa poly prosektika. Epeidh exei ajia na to janapeite gia na katoxyrwqei, etsi wste na einai kai desmeytikh ws qesh ths kybernhshs, emeis ofeiloyme na to katagracoyme. Tipote allo den kanoyme.

ANTWNAROS: Mia kybernhsh eklegetai sthn Ellada, basei toy ellhnikoy Syntagmatos, pantote gia tessera xronia. Ayto einai gnwsto kai den xreiazetai na einai kapoios syntagmatologos gia na to gnwrizei. H kybernhsh ayth exei thn proqesh na proxwrhsei mprosta. Exei thn proqesh na efarmosei kai na ylopoihsei, opws kanei hdh, to programma ths. Otan teleiwsei ayth h diadromh, bebaiws qa qesei ton eayto ths, opws ginetai stis Dhmokraties, sthn krish twn Ellhnwn politwn poy exoyn dikaiwma chfoy.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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