Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-11-12

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 12 Noembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 169410006

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 12 Noembrioy 2008

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

" Shmera Tetarth, stis 10.00, synedriase to KYSEA, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh. Meta to telos ths synedriashs, o Ypoyrgos Amynas k. Baggelhs Meimarakhs enhmerwse toys dhmosiografoys gia ta qemata poy syzhthqhkan.

" Stis 11.00, akoloyqhse h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, kata thn opoia, o Ypoyrgos Periballontos, Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn, o k. Giwrgos Soyflias, paroysiase to Eidiko Plaisio Xwrotajikoy Sxediasmoy kai Aeiforoy Anaptyjhs gia tis ananewsimes phges energeias, to opoio egkriqhke omofwna apo ta paristamena melh ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs. O k. Soyflias exei kanei sxetikes anakoinwseis ejerxomenos apo to Megaro Majimoy. To Eidiko Xwrotajiko Plaisio gia to Sxediasmo ths Aeiforoy Anaptyjhs entassetai ston programmatismeno stoxo, ton opoio sas exoyme anakoinwsei, gia th xwroqethsh olhs ths xwras kai mesa sto geniko xwrotajiko sxedio, alla kai me eidika plaisia. Ayto einai to prwto eidiko plaisio, to opoio qetei akribeis kanones, oson afora toys xwroys opoy qa mporoyn na egkaqistantai monades gia thn paragwgh newn morfwn energeias, eite einai aiolikh eite alles kai anaferw thn aiolikh, dioti ena poly megalo pososto qa proerxetai apo thn aiolikh energeia. Me ayto ton tropo antimetwpizontai oristika kai oysiastika oses paranohseis, oses dyskolies, oses dixognwmies endexomenws, yphrxan, sxetika me thn egkatastash aytwn twn monadwn. Einai ena sxedio poy kalyptei olh th xwra. Qa sas dianemhqei apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio kai qa deite oti h xwra moirazetai se sygkekrimenes perioxes, analoga me to poso katallhlh, gia th mia h gia thn allh morfh paragwghs energeias, einai h mia h h allh perioxh ths xwras. Qa akoloyqhsoyn, opws sas exw anakoinwsei allwste kai allh fora, nomizw prin apo dyo-dyomisi mhnes an den me apata h mnhmh moy: To antistoixo plaisio gia th biomhxania exei egkriqei kai apo to armodio symboylio. Qa akoloyqhsei to antistoixo plaisio gia ton toyrismo. To teleytaio, to opoio qa doqei twra gia diaboyleysh, einai to plaisio gia toys oreinoys kai paraktioys xwroys ths Elladas.

" O Ypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, o k. Alekos Kontos, enhmerwse epishs thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph gia orismena qemata ths armodiothtas toy. Kai ekeinos, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy, proebh se sxetikes anakoinwseis.

" Ayth thn wra, o Prwqypoyrgos synantatai me ekproswpoys twn syntajioyxwn. Amesws meta thn oloklhrwsh ths synanthshs, qa akoloyqhsoyn dhlwseis.

" Ayrio Pempth, stis 12.30, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa synanthqei sto Megaro Majimoy me ton Proedro toy Koinoboylioy ths Oyroygoyahs.

" Stis 18.00, qa milhsei, opws einai programmatismeno, se ekdhlwsh toy Institoytoy Dhmokratias, me qema ``Quo Vadis Europa'' (Poy pas Eyrwph) me omilhth epishs ton prwhn Kagkelario ths Aystrias k. Soysel.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ektos apo ton k. Aqanasopoylo, o Prwqypoyrgos exei dwsei entolh stoys Ypoyrgoys na apomakrynoyn kai alloys dioikhtes oi opoioi den symmorfwnontai me tis ypodeijeis ths kybernhshs, gia sthrijh twn mikromesaiwn eisodhmatwn;

ANTWNAROS: H erwthsh sas periexei isxyrismoys oi opoioi den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prin apo ligo o k. Meimarakhs, ejerxomenos apo to Megaro Majimoy, se sxetikh erwthsh poy toy egine gia tis ayjhseis twn boyleytwn, ejefrase thn apoch  kai me emmeso tropo en pash periptwsei eipe oti den einai swsto- - oti ``qa prepei na eimaste poly prosektikoi''. Gnwrizete an o k. Meimarakhs exei kanei kapoia protash, gia paradeigma, ta lefta, oi ayjhseis kai ta anadromika na doqoyn sto Tameio ths Ftwxeias; Giati alliws egw den mporw na katalabw ti shmasia exei na ginetai mia dhlwsh ek twn ysterwn kai afoy o k. Meimarakhs qa parei thn ayjhsh toy kai ta anadromika toy.

ANTWNAROS: Me rwtate an exei kanei kapoia protash o k. Meimarakhs. Ayth thn erwthsh, profanws, prepei na thn apeyqynete ston idio ton k. Meimarakh. Den eimai egw ekeinos o opoios qa apanthsw gia qema, to opoio exei syzhthqei sth Boylh. Den to kanw pote kai den prokeitai na to kanw oyte shmera.

STAQOPOYLOS: Exoyme kati neotero gia ton k. Aqanasopoylo; Paramenei sth qesh toy, synexizei na askei ta kaqhkonta toy;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn akribws osa sas exw pei tis dyo teleytaies hmeres.

RABANOS: Me sygxwreite kyrie Ekproswpe, na epanelqw sto qema to opoio eqese h k. Kalogeropoyloy. Se mia periodo poy h oikonomikh krish exei xtyphsei thn porta mas, epixeirhseis kleinoyn, h syntriptikh pleiochfia twn politwn antimetwpizei ojy oikonomiko problhma, oi Ellhnes boyleytes apofasizoyn ayjhsh 263 eyrw to mhna stis apolabes toys, dhladh, 86.000 eyrw peripoy to xrono. Kai syn ayto, exoyme 11 ekatommyria...

ANTWNAROS: Pws eipate;

RABANOS: Ayjhsh 263 eyrw to mhna. 86.000 eyrw to xrono. Synolika, 86.000 eyrw to xrono qa fqasoyn oi apolabes twn boyleytwn. Ektos ap` ayto, 11.600.000 eyrw qa moirastoyn gia organwsh grafeioy, ejoda kinhshs kai oikogeneiakes paroxes. Kostizei akriba h Dhmokratia; Kai mhpws kai prokalei kiolas; H kybernhsh exei kapoio sxolio gi` ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Gia ola ta qemata poy exoyn sxesh me th leitoyrgia toy Koinoboylioy, na apeyqyneste sto Koinoboylio.

RABANOS: Einai mia politikh apanthsh, omws, kyrie Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw kai egw: Gia ola ta qemata poy exoyn sxesh me th leitoyrgia toy Koinoboylioy, armodio einai to Koinoboylio.

KAKALHS: O k. Aqanasopoylos dhlwse xqes to brady se thleoptiko staqmo, oti to epixeirhsiako sxedio ths DEH to exoyme syzhthsei me ton Ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs kai o Ypoyrgos dinei tis kateyqynseis. Pws zhtate eseis apo ton k. Aqanasopoylo twra na deijei thn apaitoymenh koinwnikh eyaisqhsia kai kratate dhqen apostaseis;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa exw pei. Den exw na pw kati allo. Sas exw pei oti oi dioikhseis twn Organismwn kanoyn eishghseis. Tis apofaseis, basei orismenhs diadikasias - -to exei pei kai o k. Fwlias- - tis lambanei o Ypoyrgos.

KALARITHS: Ep` aytoy. H kybernhsh symfwnei h oxi me to business plan toy k. Aqanasopoyloy; To exei aporricei h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Exete diabasei thn anakoinwsh ths DEH; Ti leei;

KALARITHS: Oti to exei qesei ypoch ths kybernhshs...

ANTWNAROS: H anakoinwsh ths DEH leei oti qa koinopoihqei stis 18 Noembrioy. Loipon, eseis pws to jerete;

KALARITHS: Oxi, rwtaw an h kybernhsh to exei apodexqei, to exei egkrinei. Ayto rwtaw.

ANTWNAROS: Egw den to gnwrizw.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Pws sas fainetai h apoch oti enas anasxhmatismos fernei panta enan aera ananewshs stis kybernhseis;

ANTWNAROS: Gia to qema toy anasxhmatismoy exw topoqethqei polles fores. Den exw na pw kati, oyte eidika, opws moy qetete to erwthma, oyte genika.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Gia thn istoria, thn apoch ayth thn ekfrazei o k. Kaklamanhs, stelexos ths...

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizete oti den sxoliazw pote dhlwseis boyleytwn kai fysika den exw kamia proqesh na sxoliasw dhlwseis me tis opoies topoqetoyntai alla dhmosia proswpa, opws o Dhmarxos Aqhnaiwn. Poly perissotero gia to qema toy anasxhmatismoy, gia to opoio oloi gnwrizete oti apotelei, basei toy Syntagmatos, apokleistiko pronomio toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

KALARITHS: Den gnwrizete eipate to sxedio h thn apofash poy qa labei h kybernhsh, akoma;

ANTWNAROS: Den to gnwrizw.

KALARITHS: To sxedio;

ANTWNAROS: Malista.

RABANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Papandreoy tis teleytaies dyo hmeres synantatai me trapezites. Mhpws yparxoyn neoteres skeceis sto Megaro Majimoy gia na kanei mia kinhsh o Prwqypoyrgos ektos apo mhnymata poy stelnei se trapezites na synanthqei kai mazi toys, na syzhthsei thn katastash;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei topoqethqei epaneilhmmena sto sygkekrimeno zhthma. O arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, afoy gia para poly megalo diasthma ekane h piqanon ontws na mhn hjere oti yparxei dieqnhs oikonomikh krish, speydei twra asqmainontas na topoqethqei me tropoys oi opoioi, gia osoys gnwrizoyn, den peiqoyn kanenan gia enan poly aplo logo: Paroysiase poly arga, thn Kyriakh to brady, ena sxedio me dhqen prwtotypes idees. Ma, 80% twn oswn anaferei ekei o k. Papandreoy einai prwtoboylies kai metra ta opoia h shmerinh kybernhsh exei hdh anaggeilei. Polla apo ayta ta exei hdh chfisei h Boylh kai polla apo ayta efarmozontai hdh kai malista me epityxia. To paketarisma poy prospaqei na kanei o k. Papandreoy den ta kanei diaforetika. Ta ypoloipa entassontai sth gnwsth taktikh toy k. Papandreoy na dhmioyrgei entypwseis  me mhdeniko antikrysma, lew egw-- apantwntas se dhqen aithmata politwn kai yposxomenos ta panta stoys pantes. Den peiqei kanenan. Den exei na pei kati kainoyrio.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas ejhghsete poios einai o logos poy o Prwqypoyrgos stelnei sxedon kaqhmerina mhnymata stoys trapezites; Exei kapoies endeijeis oti den lambanoyn ta mhnymata toy h mhpws telika apodektes den einai oi trapezites alla h koinh gnwmh;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws den sas exei ginei antilhpto ti eipe o Prwqypoyrgos. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe, antiqetws, oti oi trapezites - -opws toys apokalesate-- oi ekproswpoi dhladh twn megalwn xrhmatopistwtikwn idrymatwn, den exoyn kanei arketa. Qa prepei na kanoyn akomh perissotera. Synepws h koinwnia perimenei apo ekeinoys, oi opoioi diaxeirizontai to xrhma na epideijoyn thn aparaithth koinwnikh eyaisqhsia.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite poia einai qetika deigmata allaghs sth stash twn trapezwn sto qema twn epitokiwn poy entopise o Prwqypoyrgos; Dhladh, h meiwsh twn epitokiwn apo 0% ews 1% sta epitokia twn kartwn kai twn katanalwtikwn daneiwn, th stigmh poy ta exoyn anebasei sto 22%, prepei na xairetistei apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, enw einai mia ejofqalmh koroidia;

ANTWNAROS: Janadiabaste tis dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. An qelete na tis ermhneyete kata to dokoyn, exete to anafaireto dikaiwma na to kanete.

KAKALHS: Peste mas poies einai oi qetikes allages. Poies einai oi allages. Ayth htan h dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti anakalyce deigmata allaghs ths stashs twn trapezwn sto qema twn epitokiwn. Poia einai ayta;

ANTWNAROS: Den exete para na eiste plhrws enhmeros. An den eiste h an den qelete na eiste plhrws enhmeros, ayto einai diko sas qema. Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia, einai ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos kai to epanalambanw kai egw apo aythn edw th qesh: ``Osa exoyn ginei mexri twra den einai arketa. Prepei na ginoyn polla akomh''. Ayto einai to prwto. Deyteron, mhn jexnate - -gia mia akomh fora qa to pw- - oti to sxedio gia thn ejasfalish reystothtas sthn ellhnikh oikonomia poy stoxo exei th sthrijh twn mikromesaiwn, twn noikokyriwn, th sthrijh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias genikotera, den exei chfistei akomh apo th Boylh. Erxetai se syntomo xroniko diasthma. Synepws, otan ginei ayto, oloi qa klhqoyn na apodeijoyn an exoyn ayth thn eyaisqhsia. Alla den mporei na entaxqei kapoios se ena sxedio, th stigmh poy den exei oloklhrwqei h chfish toy apo th Boylh. As perimenoyme, loipon.

KAKALHS: Se ayto to qema. To an eimai enhmerwmenos egw, einai mikro to kako. To qema einai, o Prwqypoyrgos twra enhmerwqhke oti ta epitokia twn trapezwn sthn Ellada einai megalytera apo ayta poy yparxoyn stis alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs; Twra ta anakalyce o Prwqypoyrgos;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei hdh topoqethqei, polles fores, se ayto to qema. Stis dhmokraties, omws, stis opoies exoyme epilejei na zoyme, orismena pragmata den ginontai me entolh apo panw. Ginontai me thn peiqw, ginontai me to dialogo. Yparxoyn mikra deigmata. Den einai arketa. Prepei na ginoyn kai alla.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Afoy ginontai ola ayta ta pragmata me thn peiqw kai epeidh mas eipate ti kanei o k. Papandreoy, qelete na mas peite ean yparxei sto programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy programmatismenes synanthseis me toys trapezites h en pash periptwsei, an den yparxoyn programmatismenes, an yparxei h boylhsh apo thn pleyra toy Prwqypoyrgoy na dei toys trapezites.

ANTWNAROS: Otan yparxei kati, qa to plhroforhqeite.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Qewrei h kybernhsh oti exei thn idia eyelijia twra poy h koinoboyleytikh ths sthrijh einai apolytws oriakh; Ayth einai h prwth moy erwthsh. Kai h deyterh erwthsh einai h ejhs: An isxyei ayto poy leei o k. Aqanasopoylos oti olo to epixeirhsiako sxedio to exei ypoch toy o k. Fwlias kai thn idia stigmh o k. Fwlias leei oti h DEH eishgeitai kai h kybernhsh apofasizei, anarwtiemai ti isxyei apo ta dyo; Exoyme mia dhmosia epixeirhsh hlektrismoy me mh proedro h ena Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs me mh ypoyrgo;

ANTWNAROS: Qa jekinhsw apo to deytero skelos hs erwthshs sas: Qa sas to pw para poly apla, opws sas to eipa kai xqes: Yparxei sygkekrimenh diadikasia, h opoia efarmozetai sth xwra mas edw kai polla xronia. Ayth einai apolytws safhs kai diafanh. Ean eseis topoqeteiste me to aithma na allajei h diadikasia, qa sas pw oti eimai anarmodios na apanthsw.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Erwthsh ekana, den ekana topoqethsh.

ANTWNAROS: Alla epeidh sthn erwthsh sas diakrinw mia tetoia kateyqynsh, sas lew oti yparxei...

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Ma, otan diafwnei o dioikhths me ton politiko toy proistameno, den yparxei qema leitoyrgias;

ANTWNAROS: Sas lew poia einai h diadikasia. H diadikasia ayth, einai mia diadikasia h opoia efarmozetai edw kai polla xronia sthn Ellada. Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, einai poly aplo to ti symbainei: H kybernhsh exei thn pleiochfia sth Boylh kai me thn pleiochfia ayth qa synexisei na poreyetai kai na efarmozei, opws efarmoze toys teleytaioys 14 mhnes, me epityxia kai apotelesmatikothta, to metarryqmistiko ths ergo. H meiwsh, an qelete, toy ariqmoy twn boyleytwn kata enan, den allazei kati. Den allazei tipota sth leitoyrgia ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas. Sas ypenqymizw oti kata th diarkeia twn teleytaiwn 14 mhnwn, poy h shmerinh kybernhsh askei thn ejoysia basei ths entolhs twn Ellhnwn politwn, perasan me ayth thn pleiochfia shmantikes metarryqmiseis, metajy twn opoiwn einai h metarryqmish toy Asfalistikoy. Qymaste ti syzhthseis eixan ginei, an kai kata poso qa chfistei. Kai perase. Synepws, den blepw kamia allagh. H apofash mas einai na proxwrhsoyme atalanteyta sthn efarmogh toy programmatos to opoio exoyme ejaggeilei. Den allazei apolytws tipota.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Mporeite, dhladh, na balete stoixhma, as moy epitrapei o oros, oti oi ekloges qa ginoyn sth syntagmatika problepomenh xronikh toys stigmh;

ANTWNAROS: H politikh syzhthsh den ginetai me toys oroys toys opoioys eseis xrhsimopoieite. Ekeino to opoio sas lew einai oti h kybernhsh exei eklegei, opws gnwrizete, syntagmatika gia tessera xronia kai sth mexri twra diadromh ths, kata toys teleytaioys 14 mhnes apo thn epaneklogh ths, exei apodeijei oti me staqerh grammh efarmozei, me th symprajh olwn twn melwn ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias, to metarryqmistiko ths programma. Ayta ta gegonota den mporei kaneis na ta amfisbhthsei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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