Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-11-10

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 10 Noembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 169057306

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 10 Noembrioy 2008

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

" O Prwqypoyrgos kai Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Kwstas Karamanlhs apesteile shmera epistolh ston Proedro ths Boylhs k. Dhmhtrh Sioyfa, me thn opoia toy gnwstopoiei oti qetei ektos ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias, ton boyleyth Arkadias k. Petro Tatoylh.

" O Prwqypoyrgos qa milhsei shmera to apogeyma, stis 19.30, kata th diarkeia ths eortastikhs ekdhlwshs poy diorganwnetai me aformh th symplhrwsh 50 etwn apo thn idrysh ths Eyrwpaikhs Trapezas Ependysewn.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa synanthqei, ayrio, stis 13.00, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Serbias k. Mirko Tsbetkobits kai th serbikh antiproswpeia, poy episkeptontai thn Ellada. Sth synexeia, o Prwqypoyrgos qa paraqesei geyma ergasias sth serbikh antiproswpeia.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

STAQOPOYLOS: Giati diegrafh o k. Tatoylhs;

ANTWNAROS: H synenteyjh toy Petroy Tatoylh se hmerhsia efhmerida, apotelei ena akomh kriko se mia makra alysida topoqethsewn poy exei kanei kai pistopoioyn oti exei apokopei politika kai cyxika apo ton eyry politiko xwro poy kalyptei h Nea Dhmokratia. H synenteyjh ayth xarakthrizetai apo ojythta kai akraies ekfraseis, kai malista se wres krisimes gia th xwra opoy to zhtoymeno apo oloys mas sth Nea Dhmokratia einai h enothta kai h ypeyqynh symperifora, gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prin apo ligo kairo, otan eixe diagrafei o k. Dailakhs, h Nea Dhmokratia eixe zhthsei apo to boyleyth, amesws meta th diagrafh toy apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada, na egkataleicei thn edra toy. Qa zhthqei kati antistoixo kai apo ton k. Tatoylh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati perissotero se ayta poy molis sas eipa.

KALARITHS: To gegonos oti h kybernhsh brisketai me ena boyleyth ligotero kai me akomh pio oriakh pleiochfia sth Boylh, allazei ta dedomena oson afora to sxediasmo sas;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh einai apofasismenh, me thn pleiochfia poy diaqetei sth Boylh, na proxwrhsei staqera, apofasistika, apotelesmatika, pros ofelos olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn sto metarryqmistiko ergo, to opoio efarmozei. Sas ypenqymizw, gia mia akomh fora, oti dianyoyme mia idiaitera lepth, dyskolh fash, poy exei sxesh bebaiws me thn oikonomia, me tis synepeies poy exei h megalh dieqnhs oikonomikh krish kai gia th dikh mas oikonomia. H xwra xreiazetai kai exei staqerh kybernhsh, h opoia pairnei, me ypeyqyno tropo, oles tis aparaithtes prwtoboylies kai efarmozei ola ekeina ta metra poy xreiazontai, wste h pragmatikh oikonomia na sthrixqei oysiastika kai osoi exoyn anagkh na dexontai to xeri bohqeias poy xreiazontai.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Isxyei gia ton k. Tatoylh ayto poy egine gia ton k. Dailakh, dhladh, an zhthsei sygnwmh, endexetai na ton parete pisw jana;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa eipa. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

FANIDHS: Ektos twn pollwn allwn poy exei pei o k. Tatoylhs, milhse gia sxedio apeleyqerwshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy apo toys politikoys toy ``apagwgeis''. O idios malista prosferqhke na syndramei sthn apeleyqerwsh toy Kwsta Karamanlh, mazi me alles qarralees dynameis. Kai omws diegrafh. Egw qelw na rwthsw, ean o Prwqypoyrgos aisqanetai politika omhros.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos, opws gnwrizete, einai ekeinos o opoios analambanei oles tis prwtoboylies poy xreiazontai, wste - -opws sas eipa kai molis pro oligoy- - na antimetwpistoyn ta problhmata poy dhmioyrgei h dieqnhs oikonomikh krish.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o epomenos boyleyths, o opoios qa exei thn idia politikh symperifora me ton k. Tatoylh, qa exei thn idia antimetwpish apo thn kybernhsh kai th Nea Dhmokratia; Dhladh, qa diagrafei, efoson kanei mia sklhrh kritikh;

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws, den perimenete apo mena na apanthsw se ypoqetikes erwthseis.

KORAH: Den einai ypoqetikh erwthsh. Einai ena politiko symperasma poy mporei eykola na bgei.

ANTWNAROS: Egw ws tetoia thn eisprattw.

FOYRLHS: H Nea Dhmokratia apomenei me 151 boyleytes pleon, me mia pleiochfia oriakh. Exei ginei paradosh pleon na thn apokaloyme etsi. Pantws, me mia pleiochfia para poly eyaisqhth se mia para poly dyskolh stigmh gia thn oikonomia kai gia th xwra. Kai taytoxrona se mia xronikh stigmh poy oi dhmoskophseis th deixnoyn pisw apo to PASOK kai poy o k. Papandreoy xqes, thn ermhneyse legontas oti h kybernhsh exei xasei thn empistosynh toy laoy. H kybernhsh exei thn empistosynh toy laoy kai me toys 151; Qewrei eparkeis tis synqhkes gia na antapokriqei se ayth thn empistosynh;

ANTWNAROS: Opws panta, o k. Papandreoy biazetai. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw egw para poly kala, einai oti h kybernhsh diaqetei pleiochfia. Kai me ayth thn pleiochfia, thn opoia exei sth Boylh, phgainei mprosta, opws sas eipa kai prin apo ligo, to metarryqmistiko ths ergo. Se ayth th grammh qa meinoyme. Den prokeitai na parekklinoyme.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Sygnwmh, alla otan prin eipate oti o logos diagrafhs toy k. Tatoylh htan h synenteyjh toy sto EQNOS, poy htan enas akomh krikos mias seiras topoqethsewn, moy gennhqhke h ejhs aporia...

ANTWNAROS: Ekana mia synolikh dhlwsh.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Nai. Moy gennhqhke h ejhs aporia: Tis qeseis toy k. Tatoylh den tis eixate janakoysei; Qelw na pw, giati twra kai oxi otan tis ekane sto plaisio ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs h ligo meta, h mesw toy blog toy. Giati epelegh aytos o xronos kai giati perimenate na gyrisei as poyme, o k. Dailakhs h na exei mia aisia katalhjh ayto gia na ginei h diagrafh toy k. Tatoylh; Afoy diafwnoyse etsi kai alliws.

ANTWNAROS: Ean den egine antilhpth h dhlwsh moy kai den exoyn antirrhsh oi parontes synadelfoi sas, eyxaristws na sas thn janadiabasw. Diaforetika, qa protimoysa na sas th dwsw, gia na deite to plhres keimeno. Ekana mia synolikh topoqethsh, h opoia dinei apanthsh sta erwthmata ta opoia moy qesate.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Zagoriths epiteqhke kata twn legomenwn ``golden boys'', opws toys exoyme maqei pia, trapezwn kai epixeirhsewn, legontas oti oi Ypoyrgoi exoyn thn eyqynh kai ofeiloyn amesa na epilhfqoyn gia orismenoys dioikhtes DEKO poy oxi mono ameibontai ploysioparoxa, alla einai kai aneparkeis kai den symmorfwnontai kai qa prepei na toys diwjoyn oi Ypoyrgoi. Na perimenoyme thn apopomph toy k. Aqanasopoyloy, o opoios proteine ayjhseis se ayth th dieqnh oikonomikh krish;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kanena sxolio. Eimai bebaios oti osoi exoyn thn eyqynh ths lhchs tetoiwn apofasewn, lambanoyn ypoch toys, me thn koinwnikh eyaisqhsia h opoia epiballetai, oles tis parametroys. Sas ypenqymizw de, oti aytes oi ayjhseis tis opoies mporei na proteinei kapoios se mia DEKO den einai dynates xwris th symfwnh gnwmh toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy. H telikh apofash, dhladh, einai ths kybernhshs, en prokeimenw. Oi ekastote dioikhtes kanoyn eishghseis.

TSIOYFOS: Eipate sthn arxikh sas dhlwsh, oti me tis topoqethseis toy o k. Tatoylhs eixe apokopei apo th Nea Dhmokratia. Na symperanoyme oti qa kinhqoyn diadikasies kai se epipedo kommatos, prokeimenoy na yparjoyn prwtarxikes poines ston k. Tatoylh kai se o,ti afora to komma;

ANTWNAROS: Na apeyqynqeite gi` ayto sto komma ths Neas Dhmokratias.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Giannopoylos shmera, me aformh th synenteyjh toy k. Tatoylh yperaspisthke sto radiofwno toy ALPHA to dikaiwma twn boyleytwn na ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys eleyqera, opoies kai an einai aytes. Sas fobizei to gegonos ayto oti mporei na parei to fainomeno ths xionostibadas kai na bgoyn kai alloi boyleytes oi opoioi qa yperaspistoyn ton k. Tatoylh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati, opws gnwrizete, gia dhlwseis boyleytwn. Otan oi boyleytes kanoyn dhlwseis, egw den tis sxoliazw. Sas to exw pei kai alles fores, mexri shmeioy malista paranohsews thn perasmenh ebdomada. Otan exw kati na pw, to lew.

MPOTSARHS: Den sxoliazete, alla ofeilw na rwthsw. Shmera, o k. Giakoymatos, metajy twn allwn, eipe oti kaqe mera h Nea Dhmokratia phgainei olo kai xamhlotera kai prepei amesa na kanei thn yperbash o Prwqypoyrgos kai na proxwrhsei se anasxhmatismo. Exete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Oloi gnwrizoyn kai malista poly kala, tinos armodiothta einai o anasxhmatismos.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias exoyn h den exoyn to dikaiwma ths kritikhs;

ANTWNAROS: Oloi oi boyleytes - -kai to exw pei epaneilhmmenws- - exoyn to dikaiwma na ekfrazoyn eleyqera th gnwmh toys, alla me ekeino ton tropo o opoios den qetei se kindyno th sympnoia, thn koinh prospaqeia, ton koino stoxo poy ayth th stigmh einai akomh pio sygkekrimenos: Einai h antimetwpish twn problhmatwn poy antimetwpizei h xwra.

XIWTHS: Apo thn apanthsh poy moy dwsate prohgoymenws, symperainw oti h Nea Dhmokratia den qa zhthsei apo ton k. Tatoylh na paraithqei apo to ajiwma toy boyleyth. Kai qelw na rwthsw, ti exei allajei, poia einai h diafora toy apo to paraptwma toy k. Dailakh kai sth mia periptwsh to kybernwn komma qewrhse oti prepei na egkataleicei thn edra toy kai den to qewrei sthn periptwsh Tatoylh; Kai epeidh moy eipate oti den kanete sxolio, to dexomai, alla qelw na katalabw poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs. H edra anhkei sto boyleyth h sto komma me to opoio ejelegh;

ANTWNAROS: Th qesh mas th gnwrizete. Thn exoyme ekfrasei para polles fores. Den qa thn epanalabw. Alla, den exw na pw kati parapanw se osa eipa sthn prwth erwthsh poy moy egine.

KAPRALOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eidame treis nees dhmoskophseis na blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas mesa sto Sabbatokyriako. Sas anhsyxoyn ta apotelesmata, oxi mono oson afora sthn proqesh chfoy, alla genikotera sta poiotika xarakthristika;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas epanalabw th staqerh qesh thn opoia exoyme otan ginontai metrhseis ths koinhs gnwshs: Einai mia xrhsimh katagrafh twn tasewn mias dedomenhs stigmhs.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Oi dioikhtes twn DEKO, loipon, kanoyn eishghseis kai h kybernhsh einai ayth poy exei thn telikh apofash epi twn eishghsewn aytwn, an katalaba kala.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai gnwsto se orismenes periptwseis. Yparxoyn kai alles periptwseis. Polles apo tis etaireies poy palia legame ``DEKO'', den ypagontai pleon ston orismo twn etaireiwn poy eseis xarakthrizete endexomenws ws DEKO. Den qelw na sas diorqwsw, dieykrinistika to lew.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: H DEH, as poyme, poy ypagetai;

ANTWNAROS: H DEH einai se ayth thn kathgoria poy sas eipa.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: O k. Aqanasopoylos den exei ameso politiko proistameno ton k. Fwlia, ton ekastote Ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs;

ANTWNAROS: Ti qelete na peite;

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Qelw na pw oti oso logikes h paraloges einai aytes oi eishghseis en mesw mias oikonomikhs krishs, poio einai to orio ths eleyqerias toy dioikhth, toy kratikoy leitoyrgoy, na tis diatypwnei, otan ton ``adeiazei'' h mish kybernhsh; Akoysa thn k. Petralia na ekfrazei paromoies apoceis, ennow antiqetes me ton k. Aqanasopoylo, akoysa ton k. Panagiwtopoylo na ekfrazei epikritikes apoceis gia ton k. Aqanasopoylo.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, qa akoysate kai thn topoqethsh poy ekana, egw edw, pro oligoy.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Thn akoysa. Mporeite na moy peite, omws, oxi an tiqetai qema, poso periqwrio exei enas dioikhths san ton k. Aqanasopoylo na kanei eishghseis otan exei byqisei th DEH me ena shmantiko elleimma;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw syzhthsh me ton tropo ton opoio epiqymeite na kanete ayth th syzhthsh. Topoqethqhka politika gia to qema kai ayth h apanthsh isxyei.

TSIOYFOS: Bebaiws, politikh htan h apanthsh sas. Qa mporoyse kaneis na thn ermhneysei kai ws mia dhlwsh h opoia protrepei h kalei ton k. Aqanasopoylo na paraithqei. Giati otan lete oti ekeinos eishgeitai kai emeis apofasizoyme kai deixnete thn antiqesh sas synolika ws kybernhsh, oxi eseis, sthn prooptikh ayjhsewn sth DEH, oysiastika einai sa na zhtate thn paraithsh toy k. Aqanasopoyloy.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai, opws antilambaneste, na kanw ermhneia twn dhlwsewn moy.

KALARITHS: H kybernhsh ejetazei to endexomeno nomosxedioy me to opoio qa ypoxrewnontai oi trapezes na symmetasxoyn sto sxedio sthrijhs toy trapezikoy systhmatos;

ANTWNAROS: Einai gnwsto to plaisio toy nomosxedioy, to opoio exei kataqesei pros egkrish sth Boylh h kybernhsh gia thn enisxysh ths reystothtas sthn ellhnikh oikonomia.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, stis dhmoskophseis den paei kala h Nea Dhmokratia kai ayto einai fanero. Malista, h diafora ligo-ligo ayjanetai synexws. Eseis, bebaia, exete mia pagia qesh - -den tis sxoliazete- - kai ayto einai apolyta sebasto. Egw qelw na rwthsw, omws, o Prwqypoyrgos diabazei dhmoskophseis;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati se ayto.

GKATSIOS: Xarakthrisate, prin apo ligo, tis dhmoskophseis, xrhsimh katagrafh tasewn mias orismenhs stigmhs. Egw qa hqela na rwthsw, an aytes oi taseis mporoyn na apotelesoyn aformh gia kapoia allagh sth strathgikh ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh - -sas to eipa kai shmera kai to epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- - exei sygkekrimenh politikh thn opoia efarmozei, eidika aytes tis stigmes poy einai dyskoles. Den einai eykolh periodos kai oi Ellhnes polites to antilambanontai. Briskomaste mesa se mia megalh dieqnh oikonomikh krish, h opoia exei synepeies kai gia th xwra mas. To basiko mas melhma einai na meinei h oikonomia staqerh, na qwrakisoyme thn apasxolhsh kai bebaiws na elafrynoyme, na beltiwsoyme th qesh olwn osoi exoyn pragmatika anagkh. Ayth einai h stoxeysh mas kai panw se ayth th grammh qa meinoyme pistoi.

MANH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti oi dhmoskophseis katagrafoyn tis taseis toy eklogikoy swmatos...

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa toy eklogikoy swmatos.

MANH: Syggnwmh, ths koinhs gnwmhs se mia dedomenh stigmh. H erwthsh moy einai, ean sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti aytes oi dedomenes stigmes ayjanontai synexws, dedomenoy oti se oles tis teleytaies dhmoskophseis kai oi poiotikoi kai oi posotikoi deiktes den einai kaqoloy kaloi gia thn kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati parapanw gi` ayto to qema.

XIWTHS: Epeidh den katalaba tis apanthseis poy dwsate sxetika me thn politikh poy askei h DEH, qelw na sas rwthsw kati poly sygkekrimeno: Qewreite oti o k. Aqanasopoylos exei apokopei apo thn kybernhtikh politikh, poy ypotiqetai oti prepei na efarmozei;

ANTWNAROS: Eqesa to plaisio basei toy opoioy leitoyrgei h sygkekrimenh epixeirhsh. Gnwrizete, allwste, oti kai sto prosfato parelqon exoyn ginei diafores eishghseis, oi opoies den enekriqhsan apo ton politiko proistameno toy ekastote Proedroy h dieyqynontos Symboyloy ths DEH. Exei symbei. Den einai h prwth fora.

XIWTHS: Kaqe fora poy exei symbei ayto, o dioikhths ths DEH allazei. Gi` ayto janarwtw.

ANTWNAROS: Apo thn pleyra moy ejantlhqhke to qema.

FOYRLHS: Prospaqw na antilhfqw ti tropos kai montelo sygxronhs dioikhshs einai ayto, mallon qa elega oti einai ejairetika asynhqisto ek meroys ths kybernhshs, dhladh na exei anaqesei to management, th dioikhsh oysiastika, to krisimotero stoixeio se mia epixeirhsh kai malista eqnikhs shmasias kai embeleias se enan anqrwpo h se opoioysdhpote anqrwpoys dioikhtes, proedroys opws toys lete, kai en synexeia na lete oti emeis akoyme th gnwmh toys en oligois, dexomaste tis eishghseis, toys exoyme gia na lene th gnwmh toys, alla den dioikoyn aytoi. Emeis dioikoyme, aytoi lene th gnwmh toys.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, agnoeite oti aytos einai o tropos leitoyrgias twn sygkekrimenwn epixeirhsewn edw kai polla xronia. Den allaje tipota. Den einai kati to opoio eisagei h shmerinh kybernhsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

" Ektaktws, h kaqhmerinh enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn kai twn antapokritwn jenoy Typoy, ayrio Trith 11 Noembrioy 2008, qa pragmatopoihqei stis 12.00 kai oxi opws synhqws, stis 13.00.

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