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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 4 Noembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 167978374

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 4 Noembrioy 2008

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GKOYTZANHS: Pws sas fanhke h synenteyjh toy k. Roysopoyloy;

ANTWNAROS: Sas einai gnwsto oti o k. Roysopoylos, sthn epistolh paraithshs toy, eixe pei oti o logos gia ton opoio paraiteitai einai gia na exei th dynatothta na yperaspistei ton eayto toy apo tis adikaiologhtes epiqeseis poy ginontai eis baros toy. Ayto kanei twra sthn prajh.

GKOYTZANHS: Proxqes o hgoymenos Efraim, se mia synenteyjh poy edwse sthn KAQHMERINH THS KYPROY, eipe oti ontws o k. Roysopoylos eixe parei merikoys Ypoyrgoys thlefwno kai toys eixe pei ``bohqhste to Geronta''. Ayto den tekmhriwnei emplokh toy k. Roysopoyloy, poy ekeinh thn epoxh htan kai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, sthn ypoqesh Batopaidioy;

ANTWNAROS: Qa qymaste asfalws oti h ypoqesh ereynatai apo thn Ejetastikh Epitroph, h opoia systaqhke prin apo liges hmeres, me omofwnh apofash ths Boylhs twn Ellhnwn.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eseis maqate gia tis antallages, otan aytes arxisan na dhmosieyontai sta Mesa Enhmerwshs;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati allo gia to qema ayto. Ayto to qema ereynatai, opws sas eipa, apo th Boylh.

TSIOYFOS: Anejarthta apo th diereynhsh, rwtaw: Eseis proswpika, gia tis antallages maqate otan to qema arxise na dhmosiopoieitai stis efhmerides;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei polles fores gi` ayto to qema.

TSIOYFOS: To rwtaw, giati xqes o k. Roysopoylos ayto eipe. Oti to emaqe gia tis antallages, otan to maqame oloi mas.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa, h ypoqesh ereynatai apo thn Ejetastikh Epitroph poy synesthse, me omofwnh apofash, h Boylh twn Ellhnwn.

KAKALHS: Sto politiko skelos ths ypoqeshs, ejakoloyqei h kybernhsh na epimenei sth qesh oti oi Ypoyrgoi paraplanhqhkan, meta kai th xqesinh kataqesh toy k. Detsh sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs, oti ta gnwmodotika symboylia apofasisan me bash plhrh fakelo, ton opoio toys eixan dwsei oi yphresies toy Dhmosioy, h Kthmatikh Etaireia toy Dhmosioy; Dhladh, toys eixan ferei pro tetelesmenwn, htan monodromos ayth h gnwmateysh poy ebgalan.

ANTWNAROS: H diereynhsh ginetai apo thn Ejetastikh Epitroph. Den prokeitai na sxoliasw tis kataqeseis poy ginontai enwpion ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, poy leitoyrgei sta plaisia ths Boylhs. As perimenoyme, loipon - -opws fantazomai oti perimenete oloi- - thn oloklhrwsh twn ereynwn.

KAKALHS: Yparxei kai to qema twn politikwn eyqynwn, omws, kai se ayto den exete topoqethqei. Ennow, apodeiknyetai kaqara oti einai qema politikhs boylhshs na ekxwrhqei h dhmosia perioysia...

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai doyleia ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, h opoia molis arxise tis ergasies ths.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epishs ena politiko erwthma: Ta gnwmodotika organa, kai to Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys kai ta alla organa, krinoyn akribws ayto poy leei o titlos, gnwmodotika. H gnwmh toys den desmeyei kanenan. H telikh eyqynh den anhkei pantote ston ekproswpo ths ektelestikhs ejoysias; Dhladh, akomh kai an paraplanhqhkan estw oi Ypoyrgoi, poy egw den to dexomai, ayto anairei thn politikh toys eyqynh;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio gia thn ereyna poy brisketai afenos men se ejelijh, enwpion ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, kai kata deytero logo, opws gnwrizete, synexizetai enwpion ths Dikaiosynhs. Sas eipa, den prokeitai na sxoliasw ereyna h opoia brisketai se ejelijh. Den to exw kanei pote kai oyte prokeitai na to kanw twra.

GKOYTZANHS: Den sas zhtw na sxoliasete thn ereyna. Apla, taytizete omws thn poinikh eyqynh me thn politikh eyqynh.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw qewrhtikes syzhthseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, den einai. H ereyna einai gia thn anazhthsh tyxon poinikwn eyqynwn h dioikhtikwn paratypiwn twn Ypoyrgwn. Den afora thn politikh eyqynh.

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw kamia ptyxh ths ereynas.

TSIOYFOS: H kybernhsh qewrei oti to timing poy epeleje o k. Roysopoylos prokeimenoy na dwsei tis synenteyjeis toy, htan to katallhlo, einai to katallhlo; Kai to rwtaw ayto, giati apo thn hmera ths paraithshs toy k. Roysopoyloy kai meta, to qema eixe atonhsei. Shmera kai xqes koybentiazoyme kai pali gia to Batopaidio. Mhpws ayto erxetai se antiqesh me olh thn prospaqeia poy ekane h kybernhsh na to bgalei, to Batopaidio, apo to kadro kai twra to Batopaidio, me tis synenteyjeis toy k. Roysopoyloy, epanerxetai sth syzhthsh;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton: Gia tis synenteyjeis aytes kaqaytes, opws sas eipa, den exw na pw kati parapanw apo ayta poy eipa sthn prwth erwthsh. Deyteron: Qa sas ypenqymisw oti h kybernhsh einai ekeinh poy zhthse apo th Boylh na systaqei Ejetastikh Epitroph, prokeimenoy na ereynhqei to qema se baqos. Kai ayth h ereyna, enwpion ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs ennow - -giati sas ypenqymizw oti synexizetai h ereyna apo th Dikaiosynh- - arxise molis xqes.

TSIOYFOS: Allo rwthsa.

ANTWNAROS: Kai egw sas apanthsa.

KAKALHS: Pws ejhgeite thn eyreia anaparagwgh apospasmatwn ths synenteyjhs toy k. Roysopoyloy apo ta kratika Mesa Enhmerwshs - -anaferomai sthn ERT kai sto APE. Den exw dei na ginetai kati tetoio se antistoixes synenteyjeis boyleytwn, eite toy kybernwntos kommatos, eite oxi.

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai ti ypainisseste.

KAKALHS: Oxi, lew oti... Na sas pw ti lew...

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw, einai oti oi dhmosiografoi, symperilambanomenwn twn dhmosiografwn ths dhmosias thleorashs kai toy dhmosioy radiofwnoy, epilegoyn tis eidhseis, tis opoies qeloyn na paroysiasoyn sto koino me epaggelmatika krithria.

KAKALHS: Qa mporoysame na symfwnhsoyme, an den htan gnwsto oti o k. Roysopoylos mexri prosfata eixe diorisei toys epikefalhs...

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas ektimhsh poy den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Xqes, mas eipate oti prepei na katalaboyn h mallon elpizate oti qa katalaboyn oi trapezes oti to symferon toys synadei me ta symferonta ths ellhnikhs koinwnias h kati tetoio...

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa kati tetoio. Qa moy epitrecete, otan xrhsimopoieite dikh moy dhlwsh...

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Sygnwmh, sygnwmh. Den einai h oysia ths erwthshs moy. Ayto poy qelw na rwthsw einai to ejhs: Kapoioi ychla istamenoi kratikoi leitoyrgoi den prepei na katalaboyn oti to symferon ths ellhnikhs koinwnias den pernaei se kamia periptwsh apo ta dika toys chla merokamata h apo tis synexeis ayjhseis poy zhtoyn sta timologia twn DEKO poy dioikoyn; Anaferomai eyqews ston k. Xatzhemmanoyhl toy OPAP kai ston k. Aqanasopoylo ths DEH, dedomenoy oti kai o Koinoboyleytikos Ekproswpos ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Panagiwtopoylos xqes eipe oti kapoioi mperdeyoyn thn TOYOTA me th DEH. Ara, anarwtiemai an yparxei qema me enan apo toys dyo kyrioys, oson afora th qesh toys.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, rwthqhka kai gi` ayto, xqes. Einai qema to opoio emperiexetai se erwthsh sto plaisio toy koinoboyleytikoy elegxoy. Kai sas eipa oti ayta ta qemata apantwntai me th synhqh koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. H apanthsh, loipon, qa doqei me thn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Allwste, ayto poy moy eipate, egine profanws sto plaisio toy Koinoboylioy.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Oxi, egine se thleoptikh ekpomph. Den egine sto Koinoboylio.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa...

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Sthn ekpomph toy k. Polith, sto ``Proskhnio'' ths NET.

ANTWNAROS: En pash periptwsei, ayto to opoio me rwthsate, qa apanthqei me th synhqh koinoboyleytikh diadikasia.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Grammateas toy Politikoy Sxediasmoy ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Karaxalios, milwntas shmera sto radiofwno toy ``ALPHA'', eipe oti panta diafwnoyse me thn epikoinwniakh politikh poy eixe xarajei o k. Roysopoylos kai oti, en pash periptwsei, ta osa eipe o prwhn ypoyrgos kata thn apoch toy den epeisan. Qa legame oti anazwpyrwnetai ena palaio metwpo mesa sto komma sas kai sthn kybernhsh sas, ayto toy k. Karaxalioy me ton k. Roysopoylo;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw, opws gnwrizete, dhlwseis opoiwndhpote stelexwn.

KAKALHS: Alhqeyei oti h kybernhsh meta thn ekqesh ths Komision ayto poy thn apasxolei einai pws qa moirasei to 0,5% toy AEP, to pososto dhladh poy menei gia na fqasei to elleimma sto 3% poy einai to orio; Ayth einai h basikh ennoia ths kybernhshs meta thn ekqesh; Pws qa moirasei to 1,2 dis eyrw;

ANTWNAROS: Dyo einai oi basikes egnoies ayths ths kybernhshs kai toys dinei apolyth proteraiothta, opws exei apodeijei sthn prajh: Prwton, frontizei synexws me tis dynatothtes poy mas parexoyn ta oikonomika ths xwras oloys osoi exoyn anagkh. Kai to deyteron, oti frontizei - -kai ayto to exei apodeijei, epishs, sthn prajh- - na beltiwsei thn kakh oikonomikh katastash, th qliberh dhmosionomikh katastash thn opoia parelabe apo tis kybernhseis toy PASOK. Sas ypenqymizw oti emeis ta teleytaia xronia exoyme diaxeiristei mia ekrhktikh dhmosionomikh katastash, h opoia einai apotelesma akribws aytwn twn oleqriwn politikwn poy efarmose to shmerino komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs otan briskotan sthn ejoysia. Kai pisteyoyme oti to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs prepei na apologhqei stoys Ellhnes, oysiastika kai jekaqara, gia thn katastash me ta megala elleimmata poy dhmioyrghse syneidhta, otan h genikh dieqnhs katastash ths oikonomias htan poly kalyterh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Symmerizeste thn apoch poy diatypwse xqes o dhmarxos Aqhnaiwn k. Kaklamanh na mhn ginoyn oi ayjhseis sta timologia orismenwn DEKO kai bebaiws fwtografise ta timologia ths DEH; Kaqws, epishs, ean yparxei skech toy oikonomikoy epiteleioy ths kybernhshs gia pagwma stis plhrwmes twn stegastikwn daneiwn;

ANTWNAROS: Moy kanete th xqesinh erwthsh me nea morfh shmera; Isxyei h apanthsh poy sas edwsa, xqes. Den exei allajei kati apo xqes.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara, paramenei h idia apanthsh. To skeftetai h kybernhsh. Ayto lew. Den to aporriptei.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy sas edwsa xqes.

MANH: Mas apanthsate, xqes, kathgorhmatika oti to teliko sxedio toy Proypologismoy qa einai idio me to prosxedio. Den qa yparjoyn allages. Yparxoyn, omws, epimones plhrofories...

ANTWNAROS: Qymamai para poly kala ti eipa xqes: Oti to sxedio to opoio qa katateqei, opws problepetai apo thn kybernhsh, sth Boylh gia egkrish - -qa ginei opws gnwrizete h syzhthsh kai h chfoforia ligo prin apo ta Xristoygenna, opws ginetai panta- - qa kineitai sta plaisia toy prosxedioy poy kateqese o k. Alogoskoyfhs prosfata sth Boylh. Ayto akribws eipa kai oxi ayto poy lete eseis.

MANH: Ayto poy eipate, symfwna me shmerina dhmosieymata kai epimones plhrofories, den isxyei, dioti qa allajei o Proypologismos. Qa allajoyn polla megeqh. Gia paradeigma, qa doqoyn perissotera kondylia stis dhmosies ependyseis. Ara, mporoyme na milame gia mh oysiastikes allages, estw;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti sas eipa xqes, ejakoloyqei na isxyei. Oi dynatothtes gia peraiterw dieyrynsh twn elleimmatwn se sxesh me ta hdh problepomena, einai ejairetika periorismenes. Ayth thn wra, stis Bryjelles - -an den exei arxisei hdh, prokeitai na arxisei h enhmerwsh- - o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias k. Alogoskoyfhs enhmerwnei toys synadelfoys sas poy briskontai ekei. Meta apo tis synedriaseis twn armodiwn organwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs qa exoyn apo ton idio ton Ypoyrgo oles tis plhrofories poy xreiazontai.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh anaferqhkate sto PASOK, sas qymizw oti h Nea Dhmokratia einai pente xronia sthn ejoysia kai exoyme 2008. Ews to 2013-2014 qa stamathsei na epikaleitai th diakybernhsh PASOK gia thn oikonomia h qa stamathsei;

ANTWNAROS: Den allaje tipota: Paralabame to elleimma konta sto 8% peripoy kai xreiasthke megalh prospaqeia gia na to katebasoyme. Gnwrizete oti h Istoria den janagrafetai. H Istoria yparxei. Kai osoi qeloyn na thn jexasoyn, na diagracoyn to parelqon toys nomizontas oti gennhqhkan me politikh parqenogenesh, den to katafernoyn.

GKOYTZANHS: Sas qymizw oti to PASOK den ta exei dexqei ayta. Aytes einai oi dikes apoceis.

ANTWNAROS: Ta exei dexqei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai ayto mas arkei. To PASOK den einai kriths. Kriths einai oi etairoi mas sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

TSIOYFOS: Qa hqela ena sxolio sas gia thn protash poy ekane shmera o k. Bgenopoylos, poy zhthse to pagwma ths ejyphrethshs twn daneiwn gia ena xrono apo tis trapezes. Skopeyei h kybernhsh na to ejetasei, na to zhthsei apo tis trapezes h qa to afhsete ston patriwtismo twn trapezitwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw qeseis epixeirhmatiwn.

KAKALHS: Ektima h kybernhsh oti h diafainomenh shmera eklogh Ompama qa ejyphrethsei kalytera ta eqnika symferonta h ta legomena ``eqnika symferonta'';

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa eipa xqes, apantwntas sthn idia akribws erwthsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa moy epitrecete, etsi gia na oloklhrwqei h syzhthsh, epeidh eipate oti den exei shmasia ti leei to PASOK kai ti leei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh ligo nwritera dexotan ekeina ta opoia ths paroysiaze to PASOK. Meta dexqhke ekeina ta opoia ths paroysiasate eseis. Ara, oyte ayth einai kriths.

ANTWNAROS: H Eyrwpaikh Epitroph eixe zhthsei apo to PASOK, kata th diarkeia ths diakybernhshs ths xwras apo to PASOK, dyo h treis fores - -den qymamai akribws- - epanelegxo twn stoixeiwn, kai to PASOK kwfeye.

Sas eyxaristw.

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