Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-09-15

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 15 Septembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 158969752

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 15 Septembrioy 2008

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, shmera, stis 18:30, qa milhsei sthn eidikh synedriash ths Olomeleias ths Boylhs gia ton eortasmo ths Pagkosmias Hmeras ths Dhmokratias.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na jekinhsoyme apo ton k. Boylgarakh. Einai diaxyth h entypwsh oti paraithqhke kapws arga. Oti qa eprepe na to eixe kanei, lene polloi kai isws dikaiologhmena, einai kati poy to pisteyw kai egw, prin apo th synenteyjh Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth DEQ, wste me ayto ton tropo na dieykolynei akomh perissotero ton Prwqypoyrgo, dioti antilambanetai kaneis oti ola ayta eginan katopin eorths.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na mhn kanw kamia parathrhsh sta sxolia sas. Exw hdh kanei mia dhlwsh meta thn paraithsh toy k. Boylgarakh. Den prokeitai na prosqesw kati perissotero se ayth.

TERZHS: H kybernhsh symmerizetai thn apoch toy k. Boylgarakh oti stoxopoihqhke apo symferonta; Ekane kai kapoies dhlwseis -tis opoies ypoqetw oti den qa sxoliasete, giati einai se kykloys kai dhmosiografoys- peri baronwn toy kommatos. An symmerizeste ayto kai poios einai telika o logos gia ton opoio paraithqhke, apopemfqhke, eseis qa moy peite, o k. Boylgarakhs, dedomenoy oti kai thn prohgoymenh ebdomada edw poy to syzhtagame, kata thn apoch ths kybernhshs poy metaferate, den yphrxe qema sxetika me ton tews Ypoyrgo Naytilias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa epanalabw to idio pragma. O k. Boylgarakhs sthn paraithsh toy anaferei ta stoixeia ta opoia me rwthsate. Den prokeitai na kanw kanena epipleon sxolio, peran ths dhlwshs poy ekana thn perasmenh ebdomada.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qa epimeinw se ayto, kyrie Ypoyrge. O k. Boylgarakhs prin apo ligo eipe oti h oikonomikh toy katastash oysiastika htan ayth h opoia ton ``oplise'', prokeimenoy na antistaqei se diafores pieseis. Dhladh, gia na katalaboyme, enas Ypoyrgos gia na mporesei na pei ``oxi'' se kapoia symferonta poy ton piezoyn, qa prepei na exei forologikh dhlwsh enos ekatommyrioy eyrw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei sta qemata ayta. Den prokeitai na pw tipote perissotero.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Qelw na rwthsw, an ayth thn katastash poy biwnoyme, thn krish h opws alliws thn orizei o kaqenas, thn orizei h kybernhsh ws epikoinwniakh h ws politikh kai an symbainei to deytero, me ti tropo qa thn jeperasei; Profanws, akoyga xqes oti pername pleon apo thn parapolitikh, leei, sthn alhqinh politikh. Ayto shmainei kapoia metra, kapoies prwtoboylies; Ti einai ayta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy dinete aformh na kanw mia epishmansh, oysiastika sta osa eipe o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs xqes, shmeiwnontas oti yparxei dieqnhs krish thn opoia oloi gnwrizoyn kai sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, alla kai eyrytera. Den xreiazetai na exei kapoios idiaiteres oikonomikes gnwseis gia na antilhfqei th shmantikh oikonomikh krish poy perna ayth thn periodo olos o planhths. Qelw na shmeiwsw, erxomenos sta dika mas qemata pia, me aformh ayta poy eipe o k. Papandreoy oti perase h epoxh twn eykolwn yposxesewn, ths paroxologias. H pragmatikh politikh prepei na apanta sta pragmatika problhmata ta opoia antimetwpizei mia xwra, opws ayth h krish thn opoia sas anaferw twra. H pragmatikh politikh einai ekeinh poy analyetai apo thn kybernhsh sthn prajh -kai oxi se eyxologia opws sthn periptwsh toy k. Papandreoy- me metarryqmiseis poy exei anagkh o topos, etsi wste na bgoyme oso to dynaton ligotero plhgwmenoi apo th dieqnh krish.

PALAIOLOGOS: Me aformh ta osa eipate gia ton k. Papandreoy. O k. Papandreoy omws, metajy allwn, xqes yposxeqhke h desmeyqhke, an einai swstoteros o oros, gia thn katarghsh se sxesh me toys eleyqeroys epaggelmaties toy perifhmoy mplok, gia to mplokaki twn eleyqerwn epaggelmatiwn kai se sxesh, dhladh, me to aforologhto gia toys eleyqeroys epaggelmaties, pera apo tis alles desmeyseis stis opoies anaferqhke gia th forologhsh ths ekklhsiastikhs perioysias. Qa hqela omws sygkekrimena gia tis oikonomikes desmeyseis, se o,ti afora thn pleiochfia twn politwn...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora ta oikonomika zhthmata, o k. Papandreoy htan genikologos. Edeije na mhn antilambanetai ayto to opoio eipa prohgoymenws, oti exoyme genikeymenh oikonomikh krish se olo ton planhth. Ayth thn wra o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Alogoskoyfhs dinei synenteyjh Typoy stoys dhmosiografoys poy kalyptoyn to reportaz toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn kai qa dwsei sygkekrimena stoixeia, apantwntas sta ths oikonomikhs krishs thn opoia anaferame kai gnwrizoyme -opws exoyme epanalabei- oloi poly kala.

NASOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh epikalesthkate kai nwritera th dieqnh oikonomikh krish gia thn arnhtikh eikona poy paroysiazei h ellhnikh oikonomia, to idio ekane kai o Prwqypoyrgos sth Qessalonikh, ap` o,ti qymomaste poly kala. Qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Gia ta ejoda nomizw oti einai antilhpto se oloys oti yparxei problhma, exei ayjhqei h timh toy petrelaioy, exoyn ayjhqei ta epitokia poy plhrwnei to ellhniko Dhmosio gia to daneismo poy exei apo jenes trapezes, alla gia ta esoda ta opoia exoyn piasei pato, opws exei omologhsei o Ypoyrgos epi twn Oikonomikwn, ti sas ftaiei o ypoloipos planhths.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mia proseggish aploikh, epitrecte moy na pw. Ekeino to opoio qelw na shmeiwsw einai oti h kybernhsh ayth ta teleytaia sxedon pente xronia akoloyqei thn hpia prosarmogh, opws exoyme anaferei, gia mia krish h opoia prin apo pente xronia den diafainotan. Arxise na diafainetai ligoys mhnes prin h ena xrono prin. Einai shmantiko oti sthn poreia aytwn twn etwn eginan metarryqmiseis oi opoies bohqhsan thn antagwnistikothta ths oikonomias, kati poy shmeiwnetai, oxi ws eyxologio, oyte ws rhtoriko sxhma, alla sthn prajh, apo dieqneis organismoys. Molis thn perasmenh Tetarth h Pempth, eixame thn anakoinwsh ths Pagkosmias Trapezas gia to oti h xwra mas anebhke deka qeseis ston antagwnismo twn epixeirhsewn. Ena allo shmeio to opoio qelw na qymomaste oloi kai den einai oyte ayto sxhma logoy, einai oti: Otan to elleimma htan sto 8% kai exei pesei katw apo to 3%, milame dhladh gia panw apo 5 monades meiwsh toy AEP kai me dedomeno oti kaqe monada toy AEP ftanei sta 2,5 disekatommyria, ayto deixnei pragmatika ta osa exei petyxei h kybernhsh sth meiwsh twn dhmosiwn ejodwn. Se o,ti afora ta esoda, sta opoia anaferqhkate eidika, o k. Alogoskoyfhs qa dwsei shmera perissotera stoixeia. Exw hdh kanei kai egw mia genikh anafora edw. Qa sas parakaloysa, na perimenete na akoysete thn apanthsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh.

KAKALHS: Protiqetai h kybernhsh, me bash kai ta nea dedomena, na analabei kapoia nomoqetikh prwtoboylia gia na epistrafoyn sto ellhniko Dhmosio oles oi ektaseis kai h dhmosia perioysia poy ``anhkoyn'' sthn Iera Monh Batopaidioy h qa synexisete th mexri twra politikh sas na ekxwreite dhmosia perioysia sto Batopaidi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh exei kanei anakoinwseis, toso dia toy Ekproswpoy ths, eite emoy eite toy anaplhrwth, oso kai dia toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, gia to ti protiqetai na kanei se ayth thn ypoqesh. Epishs, na mhn jexname oti einai mia ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs se ejelijh, thn opoia kai oloi anamenoyme.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla den mporei h kybernhsh nomoqetika na amfisbhthsei thn kyriothta aytwn twn ektasewn apo th Monh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei -kai shmera, alla kai me aformh tetoia erwthmata- thn perasmenh ebdomada.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yphrxan anwqen pieseis se sygkekrimenoys Ypoyrgoys gia na baloyn tis ypografes toys, se pronomiakes opws xarakthrizontai shmera, apofaseis gia th Monh Batopaidioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se eikotologika, opws einai panta ta senaria, den qa apanthsw.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: O k. Tsitoyridhs, se synenteyjh toy sthn kratikh thleorash eipe, oti enw eixe etoimasei ta panta, prokeimenoy na metaferei to ypoyrgeio stoys Qrakomakedones, dexqhke mia seira apo pieseis kai malista pieseis kai apo ton hgoymeno Efraim. To epibebaiwnete; Ti gnwrizete eseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw to sygkekrimeno qema. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw, einai oti exei yparjei dhlwsh apo thn prwth-deyterh hmera kiolas poy anekyce ayto to qema, apo ton tote Ypoyrgo Apasxolhshs, h opoia jekaqarize to zhthma.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Syzhtane polloi gia th dieqnh krish. Qelw thn apoch sas gia to an yparxei, ean entopizete kapoio eswteriko problhma. An antimetwpizei kapoio problhma ayth h xwra h ola ofeilontai sth dieqnh krish; Kai to deytero skelos toy erwthmatos moy, einai an sas arkei na kerdizete h na yperexete stis dhmoskophseis h sthn kalph estw, toy PASOK, h telos pantwn prepei na ginei kai kapoio ergo orato se ayth th xwra, poy qa to katalaboyn oloi oi polites, qelw na pw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia to prwto skelos ths erwthsh sas, qa sas parapemcw, sta osa eipa nwritera kai qa pei kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs se synenteyjh Typoy poy dinei ayth thn wra. Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, gnwrizete th qesh ths kybernhshs gia tis dhmoskophseis. Den exw na prosqesw kati perissotero.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa ekana allh erwthsh, alla epeidh anaferqhkate stis dhmoskophseis: Dhladh, den sas anhsyxei to gegonos oti orismena poiotika stoixeia twn dhmoskophsewn  kai den anaferomai sthn proqesh chfoy- einai mallon anhsyxhtika gia thn kybernhsh; Gia paradeigma, to oti yparxei dysforia gia ta oikonomika metra, apo to 61%, an qymamai kala, se mia dhmoskophsh ths RASS gia to ``PARON''. Ayto den sas anhsyxei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Symplhrwnontas thn apanthsh moy, qelw na shmeiwsw: Molis thn perasmenh ebdomada sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio -kai sas doqhke h omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy- anaferqhke o Prwqypoyrgos, sth syntomh eishghsh toy sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, se mia seira apo metarryqmiseis, oi opoies einai shmantikes gia to mellon toy topoy kai exoyn ginei toys teleytaioys eji mhnes. Sas qymizw oti toys teleytaioys eji mhnes eixame thn metarryqmish gia to Asfalistiko, eixame thn metarryqmish gia thn Paideia sto zhthma twn kolegiwn, eixame thn egkrish toy Sxedioy Eqnikhs Strathgikhs, thn Eqnikh Strathgikh gia thn Paideia. Eixame thn ypoqesh twn limaniwn, mia ejisoy megalh metarryqmish, h opoia kaqista th xwra pylh toy dieqnoys emporioy naysiploias apo thn Anatolh pros th Dysh. Eixame th metarryqmish poy anaferetai stoys Eidikoys Logariasmoys, eixame th metarryqmish h opoia exei na kanei me thn kalyterh politikh apodosh sthn patajh ths forodiafyghs. Eixame mia seira  kai synexizoyme- apo metarryqmiseis oi opoies epejergazontai. Qa anaferomoyn kai sthn chfiakh epoxh, gia thn opoia, opws gnwrizete, toys teleytaioys eji mhnes, exoyme kanei anakoinwseis kai se ayth thn aiqoysa. Apo edw kai pera exoyme metarryqmiseis poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn Olympiakh Aeroporia. Ginetai mia doyleia, edw kai polla xronia, sthn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai prospaqoyme na kleisoyme to kefalaio twn problhmatwn poy exoyn anakycei epi dekaeties. Exoyme mprosta mas th metarryqmish gia to na chfizoyn oi apodhmoi kai elpizoyme ekei h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh na pacei prosxhmatika na epikaleitai diaforoys logoys, gia na dwsei stoys Ellhnes poy zoyn sto ejwteriko th dynatothta na chfizoyn, opws thn exoyn oi perissoteroi apodhmoi allwn eyrwpaikwn xwrwn. Exoyme mprosta mas th dioikhtikh metarryqmish gia thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh, ton ``Kapodistria 2'', poy synhqisame na ton leme. Exoyme allages, oi opoies ginontai sta organogrammata dhmosiwn organismwn, gia thn kalyterh apodosh. Ola ayta, se ena xroniko diasthma eji-efta mhnwn, einai pragmatikh politikh. Kai ayth thn pragmatikh politikh eimaste apofasismenoi na synexisoyme.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, thn perasmenh Deytera eixate dexqei mia erwthsh apo synadelfo moy, an qewreite oti dexeste proswpikes epiqeseis. Kai eixate apanthsei, an qymamai kala, ``an eblepa kati tetoio, qa to elega''. Anarwtiemai, an ejakoloyqei na isxyei h idia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na prosqesw tipote.

XIWTHS: Sas problhmatizoyn kaqoloy ayta ta fainomena eswstrefeias poy arxizoyn kai anaptyssontai sto eswteriko ths kybernhshs kai mh moy peite oti den ta blepete. Dioti, toso ston kyriakatiko Typo, oso kai tis hmeres poy prohghqhkan ths paraithshs toy k. Boylgarakh, diapistwsame oti diaforwn eidwn kathgories exoyn arxisei kai allhloektojeyontai apo ypoyrgoys enantion ypoyrgwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw den exw dei, toylaxiston se dhmosies dhlwseis ypoyrgwn, na yparxoyn tetoioy eidoys kathgories, san aytes poy anaferate. Bebaiws kai diabazw ta reportaz twn Meswn. Edwsa mia apanthsh thn perasmenh ebdomada, h opoia kalyptei kai ayto to erwthma, me aformh arqro se efhmerida, epifanoys stelexoys ths Neas Dhmokratias. Ayth h apanthsh isxyei kai shmera.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Par` ola ayta kyrie Ypoyrge kai para thn paraithsh toy k. Boylgarakh, h gkrinia synexizetai. An qelete kai epoikodomhtikh gkrinia. O k. Kaklamanhs, dhladh, eipe oti qa prepei na ginei domikos anasxhmatismos. Anti na ektonwqei h krish poy yphrxe, synexizetai. Eseis ti lete gi` ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Tipote perissotero ap` ayta poy eipa ston k. Xiwth.

MPOTSARHS: O k. Papandreoy sth DEQ, kalese thn kybernhsh na proxwrhsei se ekloges to syntomotero dynato. Poia einai h dikh sas apanthsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Toy apanthse o Prwqypoyrgos, thn perasmenh Kyriakh.

KAKALHS: Stis ``metarryqmiseis'' poy anaferate prohgoymenws, den anaferate mia akomh, toys idiwtikoys aytokinhtodromoys, xarh stoys opoioys ginetai mia nea lhsteia aytes tis hmeres, me thn ayjhsh ews 148% sta diodia, kata mhkos ths eqnikhs odoy Aqhnwn-Patrwn. S` ayto, par` olo poy ta erga qa jekinhsoyn se ena xrono kai h ekmetalleysh twn diodiwn exei doqei sthn etaireia mexri to 2038, hdh oi odhgoi plhrwnoyn agrio xaratsi. Gi` ayto den exei politikes eyqynes h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelw na kanw mia genikh topoqethsh, giati sthn oysia toy qematos, apanthsa ston k. Fanidh, thn perasmenh ebdomada, poy moy ekane paremferes erwthma: Ta megala dhmosia erga ginontai edw kai merika xronia kai den jekinhsan mono epi Neas Dhmokratias. Eixan jekinhsei kai apo thn kybernhsh toy PASOK me sygxrhmatodothseis, aytoxrhmatodothseis. Emeis kaname ta SDIT. Yparxei h anagkh na synexisoyn oi ypodomes sth xwra, dioti aytes einai poy enisxyoyn thn anaptyjh, eite ston toyrismo, eite genikotera sthn oikonomia, eite eidikotera se kaqe perioxh.

KAKALHS: Gia poia aytoxrhmatodothsh milate otan h koinoprajia poy exei analabei to ergo, symmetexei kata 7% sto kostos; Ayth einai aytoxrhmatodothsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei kanei analytikes dhlwseis gia ola ta qemata o Ypoyrgos PEXWDE. Epi kybernhsews Neas Dhmokratias exei ginei seira megalwn ergwn. Exoyn anaggelqei kai se einai se ejelijh 325 erga, mono apo to YPEXWDE. Dhladh, den perilambanw erga Nomarxias h alla. Prepei na blepoyme ta pragmata synqetika kai en pash periptwsei na sygkrinoyme. Apo th mia yparxei apaithsh gia kalyterh koinwnikh politikh, kai ayto bebaiws einai h orqh apaithsh apo oloys toys polites kai ayto einai poy prospaqei h kybernhsh. Apo thn allh, antilambaneste oti o Proypologismos mias xwras h ta oikonomika mias xwras -kai malista en mesw mias dieqnoys krishs, alla kai xwris th dieqnh krish- einai peperasmena. Ofeilei, loipon, mia xwra poy zei sto sygxrono kosmo na akoloyqhsei meqodoys, opws aytes poy akoloyqoyn alles eyrwpaikes xwres, prokeimenoy na mporesei na lysei tetoia zhthmata, etsi wste na einai se qesh apo to perisseyma ekeino toy Proypologismoy, to opoio yparxei, na kinhqei kai me nees anaptyjiakes drasthriothtes. Na einai se qesh na enisxysei thn koinwnikh diastash ths politikhs, oxi gia alloys logoys, alla gia logoys oysias, giati ayth apeyqynetai kai anaferetai se kaqe polith.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pws krinete thn apofash, giati den akoysa kapoio sxolio, ths Monhs Batopaidioy gia thn kataqesh twn xrhmatwn poy apokthqhkan apo tis pwlhseis twn akinhtwn sto Tameio Parakataqhkwn kai Daneiwn; Giati akoysthkan polla gia skopimothtes, doqhkan diafores ermhneies. To sxolio ths kybernhshs poio einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws, oti den mpainw se eikotologika senaria.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gi` ayth kaqeayth thn apofash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den prokeitai na kanw kapoio sxolio.

FANIDHS: Metajy twn pollwn poy yposxeqhke o Giwrgos Papandreoy, sxetika me thn oikonomikh politikh, htan kai h forologhsh twn off shore etaireiwn, dioti apokryptontai eisodhmata kai diakineitai mayro xrhma. Anarwtiemai, loipon, ean einai toso eykolo ayto na ginei kai na exei esoda h kaqe kybernhsh apo th forologhsh ayth. Giati den proxwra kai h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias sth forologhsh twn off shore etaireiwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Papandreoy -kai qa apanthsei o k. Alogoskoyfhs pio analytika se ayta- exei pei mia seira pragmatwn ta opoia eite anairoyntai, eite exoyn mesa toys mono th logikh toy eyxologioy sthn opoia anaferqhka, eyqys ejarxhs, sth syzhthsh mas. Egw qa dwsw ena-dyo paradeigmata: Milhse oysiastika gia antikeimenika krithria. Anefere oti qa forologhqoyn ta kerdh apo xrhmatisthriakes synallages. Oysiastika ta dianemomena kerdh, gnwrizete poly kala oti perilambanontai sto nomosxedio, to opoio chfisthke thn perasmenh ebdomada sth Boylh kai den mas eipe an qa ginetai ayto xwris to synypologismo twn zhmiwn, opws exei problecei h kybernhsh. Giati o synypologismos twn zhmiwn poy mporei na exei kapoios agorazontas kai poylwntas metoxes, prepei na yparxei giati diaforetika einai ena entelws adiko metro. Dioti den einai mono oi megaloi epixeirhmaties oi opoioi exoyn metoxes, yparxoyn kai para polloi alloi Ellhnes mesaiwn, anwterwn strwmatwn, poy epishs qa prepei na toys apanthsei ean protiqetai na forologhsei ta kerdh -an yparxoyn kerdh- h kai tis zhmies. Kai ena allo, sto opoio anaferqhke, einai gia thn ypoqesh twn symbasioyxwn. Eipe polla o k. Papandreoy gia toys symbasioyxoys. Eipe xarakthristika oti qa brei ena neo dikaiotero systhma. Ayth th stigmh, exoyme edw kai xronia to ASEP. Einai gnwsto oti apo to Proedriko Diatagma, to opoio efere h Nea Dhmokratia, to 164 toy 2004, oysiastika oi symbasioyxoi exoyn epipleon moriodothsh. Ti einai ayto to opoio ejaggellei twra, otan leei oti qa kanei kapoioy alloy eidoys ajiologhsh, pio antikeimenikh; Qa toys bgalei ektos ASEP; Ofeilei na dieykrinisei kapoia pragmata. Giati apeyqynetai se kapoies xiliades politwn. Na qymisw oti einai toylaxiston ypokritiko apo thn pleyra toy PASOK na qetei qema symbasioyxwn, gia paradeigma, to opoio to eqese kai meq' epitasews, th stigmh poy ayth h kybernhsh metetrece symbaseis poy yphrxan epi PASOK, se symbaseis aoristoy xronoy gia 33.000 polites ergazomenoys symbasioyxoys. H prohgoymenh kybernhsh toy PASOK eixe kinhqei me mia seira apo antikoinotikes diadikasies. Apo to 1999 epeshmane to qema h Komision. Den einai dhladh kati to opoio egine jafnika. Mia allh kathgoria politwn einai oi dasopyrosbestes, poy einai kai epikairo, alla kai poly shmantiko opws exei apodeixqei, gia thn prostasia toy periballontos, apo th stigmh poy kaqe kalokairi exoyme olo kai megalytero ariqmo pyrkagiwn. Se o,ti afora, loipon, toys dasopyrosbestes, qelw na qymisw ston k. Papandreoy oti den mporesan na ypaxqoyn sto Proedriko Diatagma 164 toy 2004, ayths ths kybernhshs dhladh, epeidh akribws oi kybernhseis toy PASOK eixan merimnhsei polla xronia nwritera, wste na exoyn oi dasopyrosbestes mono 5mhnh apasxolhsh kaqe xrono. Kai se ayth thn periptwsh, afenos emeis epekteiname to xrono ergasias apo toys pente mhnes stoys oktw mhnes kai malista gia mia 5etia. Kai exei hdh eipwqei apo ton armodio ypoyrgo oti dromologeitai oristikh taktopoihsh toys, ystera apo diagwnismo me moriodothsh ths ews twra apasxolhshs toys. Moriodothsh poy isxyei gia oloys toys symbasioyxoys, efoson ginei prokhryjh diagwnismoy apo ton ASEP. Eipa dyo-tria paradeigmata, aplws kai mono gia na katadeijw oti o k. Papandreoy me genikologes anafores kai eyxologia nomizei oti mporei na kanei politikh. Den eimaste pia se alles dekaeties. Epanalambanw oti ta pragmatika problhmata qeloyn pragmatikes apanthseis, pragmatikes lyseis.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, meta thn paraithsh toy k. Maggina, topoqethqhke h prwhn ypoyrgos sth qesh toy, h k. Fanh Petralia. Meta thn paraithsh toy k. Boylgarakh, proxqes, topoqethqhke epishs enas prwhn ypoyrgos, o k. Papalhgoyras. Den dinei thn eikona h kybernhsh oti den yparxei ``pagkos'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa xrhsimopoihsw ton oro poy xrhsimopoieite. H topoqethsh stelexwn se qeseis ypoyrgwn einai mia prajh, paroti me enhmerwsate, gnwsth se oloys. To gnwrizoyme. H Nea Dhmokratia einai mia kybernhsh poy exei dwsei deigmata grafhs, alla kai polla proswpa poy mporoyn na metexoyn kai se qeseis Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy h yfypoyrgwn kai genikotera se qeseis kleidia sthn kybernhsh.

XIWTHS: Qelw na rwthsw gia to qema ths Monhs Batopaidioy. Yparxei mia protash toy Proedroy toy SYN gia systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs sthn opoia epishmws den exete topoqethqei, ean thn apodexeste h an qewreite oti arkei mono h diereynhsh ths Dikaiosynhs. Ayto einai to ena poy qa hqela na rwthsw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas qymizw oti egine protash sthn arxh ayths ths syzhthshs sth Boylh kai apanthse o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Exei yparjei, loipon, epishmh topoqethsh ths kybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias.

XIWTHS: Kai typika aporriptetai h protash...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h pagia qesh mas. Gia ena qema poy einai sth Dikaiosynh, prepei na oloklhrwqei h diadikasia ths Dikaiosynhs. Kai meta, bebaiws, menoyn anoikta ola ta endexomena.

XIWTHS: Kai to deytero poy qelw na rwthsw einai, an qewreite oti mexris otoy oloklhrwqei h ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs, an arkei mono h energeia ths Monhs na kataqesei ta xrhmata sth Monh Batopaidioy h an qa eprepe na parembei to kratos, etsi wste na diakopoyn apo twra kai sto ejhs toylaxiston h na elegxqoyn oi prajeis poy eginan apo th Monh, afotoy egine kyrios dhmosioy akinhtwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai se ayto exei apanthsei o k. Alogoskoyfhs, pali, thn perasmenh ebdomada, sth Boylh, gia to ti kanei h kybernhsh se ayto to qema.

XIWTHS: Sygxwreste me, alla den to katalaba.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai se ayto poy me rwtate, lew oti exei apanthsei hdh o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Exoyn ``pagwsei'' ola ta qemata.

KORAH: Qa hqela ena sxolio sas gia thn ejaggelia toy k. Papandreoy oti an to PASOK ginei kybernhsh kai o idios Prwqypoyrgos, qa forologhsei thn ekklhsiastikh perioysia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To PASOK qa prepei na dwsei thn politikh toy, prokeimenoy na krinoyn oi Ellhnes polites, opws emeis kanoyme jekaqara, dinontas ola ta stoixeia ths politikhs mas sta programmata mas, se kaqe proeklogikh periodo kai poly nwritera, polles fores.

KAKALHS: Se allo qema. Apodexomenh h kybernhsh ws bash syzhthshs to neo paketo Nimits, den apodexetai taytoxrona kai thn allagh bashs diapragmateyshs, apodexomenh ta peri makedonikhs taytothtas kai glwssas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H qesh thn opoia exei ekfrasei h ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn epaneilhmmena kai o Prwqypoyrgos se dhmosies dhlwseis, paramenei h idia.

KAKALHS: Apodexeste, omws, to neo paketo Nimits ws bash ths syzhthshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Menw se ayto to opoio sas eipa.

KAKARNIAS: Hqela na rwthsw, ean exei kapoio sxolio h kybernhsh, sxetika me thn epikeimenh synanthsh toy k. Tatoylh me ton k. Papoylia kai me ton Proedro toy LAOS; Einai prwtoboylia proswpikh toy h exei synennohqei me to komma h me thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na kanw kapoio sxolio. Einai gnwsto to qema to opoio anaferetai sthn ypoxrewsh poy exei h xwra mas apo eyrwpaikh odhgia na dhmosiopoioyntai oi kybernhtikes apofaseis, ypoyrgikes apofaseis k.t.l. Einai kati to opoio exei enswmatwqei sto Dikaio mas kai kati to opoio, oytws h allws, ginetai prajh se para polla ypoyrgeia. Gia paradeigma, sto xwro poy briskomaste den exoyme ypoyrgeio alla dyo Genikes Grammateies. Edw kai polla xronia, apo to kalokairi toy 2004, dhmosiopoioyntai -kai apo to 2006 dhmosiopoioyntai kai sto Internet- oi ypoyrgikes apofaseis poy aforoyn sthn kratikh diafhmish. To qema sto opoio anaferqhkate einai kati poy problepetai apo odhgia ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai emeis exoyme kanei hdh prajh ayto to zhthma.

FANIDHS: Den jerw an qelete na sxoliasete dyo atakes, as to poyme etsi, toy k. Karatzaferh: H mia htan oti h omilia toy Giwrgoy Papandreoy htan dwro gia ta geneqlia toy Kwsta Karamanlh kai to deytero, kati poy afora esas proswpika, oti qa synergastei sto mellon me th Nea Dhmokratia, an xreiastei, mono an eseis fygete apo th Nea Dhmokratia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, den qa pw tipota. Se o,ti afora to deytero, qa sas pw oti, opws jekaqara dhlwse o Prwqypoyrgos kai thn properasmenh Kyriakh sth Qessalonikh ``den synergasthkame kai den prokeitai na synergastoyme me ta akra''.

PALAIOLOGOS: An kai moy ypeklece th deyterh erwthsh, akribws...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa paraithqeite toy dikaiwmatos na kanete xrhsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi, den paraitoymai kanenos dikaiwmatos. To qema einai oti den emeina ikanopoihmenos. Dhladh, to mono empodio, eseis qewreite oti den synergazeste me ta akra, opws epikalesthkate. Se periptwsh, omws, poy den yparjei aytodynamia stis epomenes ekloges, opote kai an ginoyn, den qa synergasteite me kanena komma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei apanthsei o Prwqypoyrgos. Exei milhsei jekaqara, exei pei th qesh ths Neas Dhmokratias gia tis kybernhseis synergasias, tis kybernhseis poy exoyn aytonomh dynamh. Den xreiazetai na epanalabw.

Sas eyxaristw.

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