Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-09-16

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 16 Septembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 159023326

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 16 Septembrioy 2008

Xairete.

Ayrio, stis 11.00, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, jeroyme, den sxoliazete dhmoskophseis, einai pagia arxh sas, alla nomizw oti qa prepei meta apo tosa xronia poy, se oles tis dhmoskophseis h Nea Dhmokratia htan mprosta, na kanete shmera mia ejairesh kai na mas sxoliasete ayto to 2,2% poy einai gia prwth fora mprosta to PASOK.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw pei polles fores oti anelaba ta kaqhkonta toy Ekproswpoy Typoy stis 25 Aygoystoy toy 2000 kai apo tote, oktw xronia meta, pote den sxoliasa dhmoskophseis eite sth qesh ths antipoliteyshs, eite sth qesh ths kybernhshs. Qa meinw sthn idia ayth apoch. Apoch, h opoia apotypwnetai sto oti oi dhmoskophseis apotypwnoyn th stigmh. Ekeino to opoio sas exw pei para polles fores, einai oti emeis lambanoyme ypoch mas ola ta mhnymata kai proxwroyme se ena ergo, to opoio einai metarryqmistiko, gia to kalo toy topoy. Sas eipa kai xqes oti h akrath yposxesiologia, sthn opoia eidame na analyetai o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, den einai se antikrisma me thn epoxh. H epoxh xreiazetai doyleia, xreiazetai drash, xreiazetai proshlwsh sto stoxo. Kai aytos o stoxos se mia dieqnh sygkyria, kakh oikonomika, prepei na paramenei o idios. H logikh twn metarryqmisewn kai ths oloklhrwshs toy ergoy ths kybernhshs paramenei opws akribws kai xqes kai proxqes kai prin apo ena xrono.

PALAIOLOGOS: Na eikasw, kyrie Ypoyrge, apo thn apanthsh sas oti den symmerizeste th genikoterh ektimhsh poy aporreei apo thn aisqhsh twn dhmoskophsewn oti yparxei anatroph toy politikoy skhnikoy kai oti ayth th fora, exoyme gia prwth fora, meta apo pente xronia thn prwtokaqedria toy PASOK;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eikazete kati to opoio den exei sxesh me ola ayta ta opoia eipa. Ayta poy eipa einai sygkekrimena, safh kai epanalambanomena diarkws meta apo kaqe dhmoskophsh, opoio apotelesma kai na edine ayth h dhmoskophsh.

KAKALHS: Einai paremferes qema, epeidh o Prwqypoyrgos, xqes sthn omilia toy sth Boylh, anaferqhke ston kindyno kai thn apeilh gia th Dhmokratia apo ejwqesmika oikonomika symferonta. Sygkekrimena eipe oti apoteloyn kindyno kai apeilh gia th Dhmokratia. Ayta den ta eixe ejoydeterwsei h kybernhsh me to basiko metoxo, me thn katarghsh toy nomoy gia ton amartwlo maqhmatiko typo klp;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto to opoio exoyme pei para polles fores -kai to epanelabe kai o Prwqypoyrgos- einai oti qa prepei na yparxei mia staqerh proshlwsh se ena stoxo. O stoxos aytos afora thn kaqhmerinothta twn politwn, th beltiwsh ths zwhs, th beltiwsh ths dynatothtas ayths ths xwras, na einai antagwnistikh oikonomika. Oi prospaqeies poy ginontai me oles tis politikes, einai prospaqeies gia na ginei pragmatikothta ayto to opoio akoygetai qewrhtiko. Ena paradeigma to opoio qa mporoyse kapoios na dwsei einai h prospaqeia, poy einai diarkhs, gia thn patajh ths forodiafyghs. To exoyme analysei polles fores, se ayth thn aiqoysa. To anelyse xqes kai o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Se ayto, ws paradeigma menontas, sas dinw mia apanthsh estw kai an th qewreite emmesh se ayto poy rwthsate.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qymamai hdh apo to 2003, poy legate kai eseis kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs se synenteyjeis toy, oti h prwth metarryqmish poy qa kanei h kybernhsh einai h forologikh metarryqmish, h opoia qa einai mia metarryqmish se baqos, oti qa allajei kai to forologiko mhxanismo, ton eispraktiko mhxanismo. Pente xronia meta, anagkazeste na parete metra kai na milate akoma gia patajh ths forodiafyghs kai ths eisforodiafyghs. Den shmainei oti toylaxiston h prwth sas metarryqmish, h forologikh, apetyxe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto deixnei to megeqos toy problhmatos, to opoio anagetai se dekaeties kai oxi aplws se ena, dyo h pente xronia. Sas qymizw, omws, oti yphrje mia seira apo forologika metra, ta opoia enisxysan kai th dieqnh qesh ths xwras ws pros ton antagwnismo, alla kai thn oikonomia entos ths xwras. Qymhqeite ola ekeina ta metra twn foroelafrynsewn. Giati emeis proxwrhsame se polles elafrynseis twn forwn, poy bohqhsan kai mikres kai mesaies epixeirhseis. Elafrynsewn se foroys fysikwn proswpwn poy bohqoyn ton kaqena jexwrista, enisxysh toy eisodhmatos twn pio adynamwn merwn ths koinwnias. Ayta einai stoixeia, ta opoia gnwrizete. Exoyn efarmostei kai exoyn apodwsei. To gegonos oti yparxei akomh dromos gia na pataxqei plhrws h forodiafygh (ena fainomeno to opoio eydokimei sthn Ellada, eydokimei kai alloy se alla pososta) den shmainei oti prepei kapoios na bgalei to symperasma poy eipate eseis. H prospaqeia einai diarkhs ews otoy pataxqei to fainomeno kai fqasei se tetoia pososta poy na einai ``sto epitrepto orio'', giati den einai kaqoloy epitrepto to na forodiafygei kapoios. Qa synexisoyme ayth thn prospaqeia, opws kai stis alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, th stigmh poy o k. Alogoskoyfhs ``pagwse'' tis antallages, se o,ti afora to Batopaidio dhladh, kai yparxei kai h parembash toy k. Sanida, thn idia stigmh ginetai oikopedopoihsh twn perioxwn ths Mikras. Ti sxolio kanete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den milame gia sxolia, edw milame gia apofaseis ths kybernhshs, oi opoies efqasan ews to shmeio ekeino poy mporei na fqasei h kybernhsh: Sto apwtato pedio ths epanejetashs mias ypoqeshs se olo to baqos, me ola ta qesmika organa ths Politeias, kai bebaiws me th Dikaiosynh, h opoia parallhlws exei arxisei mia ereyna. H kybernhsh ekane ayto to opoio eprepe na kanei. Kai ayto den ginetai gia kanenan allo logo, para mono dioti qa prepei se ayth thn ypoqesh na breqei, na apokalyfqei plhrws h alhqeia, opoia kai an einai ayth, poy qa apokatasthsei to kyros twn qesmwn, ean to kyros twn qesmwn exei plhgei h ayth th stigmh fainetai na exei plhgei. Ws ek toytoy, loipon, h kybernhsh mh exontas na fobhqei gia tipote, proxwraei se oles ekeines tis apofaseis stis opoies, mia kybernhsh poy sebetai toys polites, poy sebetai ta dhmosia oikonomika, qa eprepe na proxwrhsei.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy. Dhladh, h kybernhsh mexri edw mporoyse na paei, den mporei na kanei tipote perissotero; Ennow dhladh den mporei na bgalei mia nomoqetikh prwtoboylia gia na parei pisw tis dhmosies ektaseis poy exoyn perasei me anyparktoys titloys sthn iera monh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mpainete sthn oysia toy qematos, syneisferontas stoixeia h plhrofories h ektimhseis gia ta opoia egw den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio. Ayto to opoio, omws, einai safes, ayto to opoio einai pleon apodedeigmeno sthn koinh gnwmh, einai oti h kybernhsh den eqelotyflei. Edwse tis entoles ekeines poy xreiazontai, etsi wste parallhla me to ergo ths Dikaiosynhs, na exoyme mia ekbash toy qematos, poy qa odhghsei sthn apolyth alhqeia.

TSIOYFOS: Eipate prin apo ligo, oti prepei na apokatastaqei to kyros twn qesmwn poy exei plhgei. Mporeite na mas peite, ti htan ayto, poies kinhseis, poies apofaseis h poies ejelijeis htan aytes poy eplhjan to kyros twn qesmwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw, hdh, apanthsei sto erwthma, dioti apotelei plhgma sigoyra, to gegonos oti tiqetai en amfibolw ena organo, opws to Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys. Egw sas edwsa kai to paradeigma, thn perasmenh ebdomada, otan syzhthqhke. Eteqh en amfibolw apo thn eisaggelikh paraggelia. Se kamia periptwsh, den sxoliazw  kai to exw pei- kanenos eidoys dikastikh diadikasia kai paramenw se ayto. Wstoso, den mporei na mhn anagnwrisei kapoios  eseis to gnwrizete, to blepete, to grafete, to diabazete kaqhmerina- oti arxizoyn kai mpainoyn amfibolies gia qesmika organa toy kratoys. Aytes oi amfibolies, loipon, qa prepei sthn poreia ths ereynas na lyqoyn pros thn mia h thn allh kateyqynsh, analoga me to poy einai h alhqeia.

GALIATSATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa apodexqeite Ejetastikh Epitroph gia to qema toy Batopaidioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw erwthqei alles dyo fores edw, exei erwthqei kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs sth Boylh. Isxyei h idia apanthsh. Den exw na prosqesw kati perissotero.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Mas eipate prin oti den sxoliazete dhmoskophseis. Wstoso, eipate oti h kybernhsh lambanei kai pairnei ypoch ths ola ta mhnymata poy bgainoyn apo aytes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An cajete kai palaioteres dhlwseis moy qa deite oti epanalambanw akribws to idio pragma -koyrastika endexomenws gia orismenoys- edw kai polla xronia.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Den mas koyrazei pote. Aplws, qelw na rwthsw, apo th xqesinh dhmoskophsh poy estw oti apotypwnei to klima mias sygkyrias, eseis poio mhnyma eisprajate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai bebaios, ayto to opoio eisprajate kai eseis.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Dhladh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na sas pw egw ti skefteste; Den qa to tolmoysa.

GALIATSATOS: Synedriazei ayrio h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me qemata toy ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn kai apo o,ti katalabainw sthn atzenta to koryfaio qema prepei na einai to qema ths Olympiakhs. Prwton, se ayto ti exete na mas peite gia to pws qa proxwrhsete kai deyteron, ti shmainei kai an yparxei eyqynh gi` ayto to prostimo poy anamenetai na mas katalogisei h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, ycoys 700.000.000 eyrw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa mpw sthn oysia toy qematos, liges wres prin, giati oles oi plhrofories lene oti ayrio to meshmeri h Komision qa dwsei th dikh ths qesh. O ypoyrgos Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn k. Xatzhdakhs qa kanei analytikes dhlwseis se synenteyjh Typoy. H prospaqeia mas, opws sas eixame pei edw kai para polloys mhnes, einai ews to telos toy 2008. Kai hdh 3,5 mhnes prin to telos toy 2008, ara poly nwritera apo thn hmeromhnia poy eixame qesei ws orio, exoyme fqasei se lyseis tis opoies qa einai se qesh o ypoyrgos Metaforwn ayrio na anakoinwsei se esas kai se oloys. Ara, den qa hqela na kanw to opoiodhpote sxolio shmera. Qa apanthqei to erwthma ayrio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes o Prwqypoyrgos, sthn omilia toy sth Boylh, milhse gia tis draseis ejwqesmikwn kentrwn poy apeiloyn th Dhmokratia, yponomeyoyn qesmoys k.t.l. Nwritera, o paraithqeis ypoyrgos Emporikhs Naytilias k. Boylgarakhs fwtografise kai milhse gia symferonta, ta opoia opws eipe gia allh mia fora -kai to tonise, epishs, gia deyterh fora xqes- ektelesan to politiko symbolaio ths politikhs ejontwshs toy. Na eikasw oti apo aytes tis dyo diaforetikes, alla parallhles topoqethseis pws o Prwqypoyrgos symmerizetai thn apoch toy paraithqentos ypoyrgoy Emporikhs Naytilias peri symbolaioy politikhs ejontwshs toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Doqentos toy oti ws pros to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas apanthsa ston k. Kakalh kai sto deytero apanthsa xqes, den mporw na pw tipote perissotero apo to oti sto ti eikazete h den eikazete, einai kaqara diko sas qema.

KAPRALOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw, an gia thn katabolh toy epidomatos qermanshs qa lhfqoyn ypoch kai gewgrafika krithria.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan oloklhrwqei h meleth poy diejagetai gia to Tameio Synoxhs, to Koinwniko Tameio to opoio exoyme anaferei, o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn qa sas dwsei oles tis plhrofories poy xreiazontai.

GKATSIOS: Oson afora ta mhnymata twn xqesinwn dhmoskophsewn, na perimenoyme kapoies kinhseis gia thn antistrofh aytoy toy klimatos apo thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti ayto to opoio kanei h kybernhsh -kai synexizei na kanei- einai h pragmatikh politikh, thn opoia pragmatikh politikh kai xqes ermhneysa me ta logia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, poy sas einai gnwsta apo thn eishghsh toy sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio ths perasmenhs ebdomadas.

KAKARNIAS: Se synexeia ths erwthshs toy synadelfoy, metajy twn kinhsewn qa perilambanetai kai h sygklish kapoioy apo ta organa ths Neas Dhmokratias; Kai to lew me aformh tis prosfates synergasies toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Zagorith kai ton k. Tragakh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na anakoinwsw kati. Allwste, den ta anakoinwnw egw ayta ta qemata. Gnwrizete poly kala, omws, oti o Prwqypoyrgos synergazetai taktika kai me ton Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs ths Neas Dhmokratias, alla kai me ton Grammatea ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas.

KAKALHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti exoyn apodwsei oi politikes poy exei efarmosei h kybernhsh gia thn enisxysh twn eisodhmatika asqenesterwn tajewn. Hdh, omws, ta shmerina stoixeia, opws eidate, poy aforoyn tis apodoxes twn syntajioyxwn kai malista meta tis ayjhseis poy qa paroyn thn 1/10/2008, deixnoyn oti eji stoys deka pairnoyn syntajh mexri 600 eyrw kai to 72% twn syntajewn einai katw apo ta 725 eyrw. Gia toys agrotes eidika, h mesh syntajh einai 413 eyrw. Ti ennoeite akribws oti exoyn apodwsei oi politikes sas, otan paramenoyn sta oria ths ejaqliwshs oi syntajeis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei eipwqei kai apo ton armodio ypoyrgo kai apo emena kai alles fores se ayth thn aiqoysa, oti sthn Eyrwph eixame th megalyterh ayjhsh twn pragmatikwn misqwn thn teleytaia trietia.

KAKALHS: Eikonikh, omws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An qelete na amfisbhteite ta panta, egw sas lew epixeirhmata me bash ta stoixeia ta opoia den einai qewries, alla prajh. Epishs, ayjhqhkan to EKAS kai h syntajh toy OGA -to gnwrizete kai ayto- akribws opws eixame desmeyqei na ayjhqoyn. Meiwqhkan, opws eixame desmeyqei na meiwqoyn, oi forologikoi syntelestes. Ola ayta ta opoia exoyme kata kairoys analysei, isxyoyn. Apo ekei kai pera, den qa prepei na jexname oti yparxei mia dieqnhs sygkyria, h opoia einai para poly dyskolh. H dieqnhs oikonomikh krish, opws blepete poly kala, den mporei na meinei ejw apo kamia xwra. Den xtypaei aplws thn porta. Exei mpei se oles tis xwres. Parathreite ti symbainei se megales xwres, opws oi Hnwmenes Politeies, se isxyres oikonomies, tis teleytaies dyo hmeres. Fainomena, loipon, ta opoia ermhneyoyn thn oikonomikh krish, den qa prepei na menoyn ektos ths opoias dikhs mas ermhneias, otan prospaqoyme na doyme ti symbainei kai sthn Ellada. Pantws, ta stoixeia ta opoia sas edwsa kai aforoyn toys xamhlomisqoys, toys xamhlosyntajioyxoys, toys agrotes, einai stoixeia pragmatikhs politikhs, ta opoia kai exoyn dei oloi sthn prajh. Qa moy peite, einai to apolytws ikanopoihtiko; Oyte to eipame pote, oyte kai qa to pw pote. Alla, dedomenhs ths sygkyrias thn opoia diagoyme, h prospaqeia poy kanoyme einai gia tis ligoteres dynaton apwleies synolika, kai sto eisodhma kai bebaiws sthn oikonomia ths xwras.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla stis faseis ths oikonomikhs anaptyjhs den eixan ayjhqei, otan ayjanotan kai synexizei na ayjanetai akoma to AEP ths xwras, den eixan ayjhqei. Ara, h epiklhsh ths dieqnoys krishs mallon san dikaiologia akoygetai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw den mporw na mpw sto myalo sas kai na sas pw ti prepei na skefqeite, oyte kai to epidiwkw, oyte kai einai dhmokratika orqo. Wstoso, an kapoios qewrei oti den yparxei ayth th stigmh dieqnhs oikonomikh krish, poy aggizei kai th xwra mas, epitrecte moy na pw oti den parakoloyqei thn pragmatikothta.

KAKALHS: Nomiza oti htan qwrakismenh h oikonomia mas.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Mporeite na mas kanete ena sxolio gia tis filellhnikes dhlwseis toy ypochfioy proedroy twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn toy k. Ompama se sxesh me to Skopiano kai an exete kapoia eikona gia to poy brisketai kai poy paei ayto to qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na prosqesw kati perissotero apo ta osa exoyme pei mexri twra. H Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn exei kanei prosfatws dhlwseis. Se o,ti afora stoys ypochfioys proedroys stis Hnwmenes Politeies, antilambaneste oti den qa ginei kanena sxolio apo thn kybernhtikh pleyra. Ekeino to opoio qelw na shmeiwsw einai oti emeis frontizoyme na exoyme kales sxeseis me oles tis xwres -kai me xwres opws oi Hnwmenes Politeies poy exoyn shmantiko rolo sto dieqnes skhniko- kai giati pisteyoyme oti sto qema twn Skopiwn exoyme apolyta dikio kai xreiazomaste ayth th symparastash kai th synergasia.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, nomizw oti eixame paradexqei oloi se ayth thn aiqoysa toys prohgoymenoys mhnes oti ontws yphrxe mia epibarynsh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias apo th ragdaia ayjhsh twn timwn toy petrelaioy. Shmera poy to petrelaio peftei -kai peftei aisqhta, exei pesei aisqhta- den dinei anases ayto sthn ellhnikh oikonomia; Kai qelw kai mia apanthsh: Pisteyete oti oi ejelijeis twn dyo teleytaiwn hmerwn me thn trapezikh krish stis Hnwmenes Politeies, ayto ephreazei amesa thn ellhnikh oikonomia, thn pragmatikh oikonomia ennow kai oxi to Xrhmatisthrio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw an to Xrhmatisthrio to ejaireite apo thn pragmatikh oikonomia. En pash periptwsei, ekeino to opoio den mporei kaneis na jexna, mias kai anaferqhkate sto petrelaio, einai oti to petrelaio ta teleytaia tessera xronia exei anebei treis fores epanw kai ton teleytaio xrono exei anebei 100% h timh toy. Dhladh, qelw na pw oti akomh kai h mikrh kamch ths timhs toy petrelaioy, h mikrh meiwsh h opoia parathreitai twra, exei afhsei pisw ths dyo paradoxes: H prwth oti h ayjhsh htan para poly megalh (diplasiasthke h timh toy), h deyterh oti den epese sthn prohgoymenh timh sthn opoia htan -einai makran ths prohgoymenhs timhs- kata synepeia oi opoies epiptwseis sthn oikonomia, opws gnwrizete, den einai epiptwseis ths mias hmeras h toy enos mhnos. Einai epiptwseis poy mporei na krathsoyn poly perissotero xroniko diasthma.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sto plaisio ths anasyntajhs twn kybernhtikwn dynamewn, meta tis dhmoskophseis, problepontai periodeies toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn perifereia kai omilies; Kai epishs, ena deytero erwthma synafes, se sxesh panta dhladh me to klima ayto: Sto prosexes deipno poy qa exei o Prwqypoyrgos me toys boyleytes, qa staloyn prosklhseis, qa prosklhqoyn kai oi legomenoi antartes boyleytes, o k. Tatoylhs, o k. Polydwras, h k. Mpenakh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei kai gia ta dyo qemata. Den exw na pw tipota diaforetiko ap` o,ti eipa prin mia ebdomada h 15 hmeres.

GALIATSATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se sxesh me thn katarreysh ths LEHMAN BROTHERS xqes stis Hnwmenes Politeies kai th genikoterh krish toy xrhmatopistwtikoy systhmatos, an isxyoyn pws h kybernhsh oti yparxoyn ellhnikes trapezes emplekomenes sth dinh kai yparxei anhsyxia oti mporei na exoyme kai edw apwleies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eimai se qesh na to gnwrizw, gia na mhn apanthsw kati to opoio qa einai laqos. Sigoyra pantws ta dyo symperasmata poy mporei na ejagei kapoios einai: Prwton, yparxei shmantikh krish apo aytes poy emfanizontai ana dyo h treis dekaeties kai deyteron, h epirroh sthn pagkosmiopoihmenh koinwnia enos qematos se ena allo qema h se mia allh xwra, mallon qewreitai dedomenh. Den qelw na pw sto sygkekrimeno to poy qa ephreasei kai to pws h to poso, alla se kaqe periptwsh nomizw oti h epirroh prepei na qewreitai dedomenh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxoyn plhrofories oti enocei ths Genikhs Syneleyshs toy OHE, ta Skopia prokeitai na anagnwrisoyn thn anejarthsia toy Kossoboy ws mia endeijh kalhs kinhshs apenanti stoys Amerikanoys. Mas problhmatizei; Kai h ellhnikh kybernhsh skefthke na kanei kati paromoio dhladh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw to prwto kai den qa sxoliasw kapoies plhrofories genikws kai aoristws. To deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas exei apanthqei apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo kai prosfata.

Sas eyxaristw.

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