Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-07-29

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 29 Ioylioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 150743471

Ekdosh 1

BRF29072008

ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 29 Ioylioy 2008

Xairete.

Me sygxwreite gia thn kaqysterhsh, h opoia ofeiletai sth diarkeia ths synedriashs ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs h opoia oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligo ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh. Qema ths synedriashs ths Epitrophs htan h enhmerwsh twn melwn ths gia thn proodo toy oloklhrwmenoy xwrotajikoy sxediasmoy ths xwras kai kyriws gia ta eidika xwrotajika plaisia, sxedia ston tomea twn ananewsimwn phgwn energeias, toy toyrismoy, ths biomhxanias, kaqws kai gia toys paraktioys kai oreinoys xwroys ths xwras mas. Opws gnwrizete, ta plaisia ayta erxontai se synexeia ths chfishs toy Eqnikoy Xwrotajikoy Sxedioy. H paroysiash ths proodoy egine fysika apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo Periballontos, Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn k. Giwrgo Soyflia, o opoios kai meta thn oloklhrwsh ths synedriashs ekane dhlwseis pros toys ekproswpoys twn Meswn Enhmerwshs, stis opoies kai sas parapempw.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mporeite na mas peite gia poio logo antikatastaqhke o k. Manwlhs apo ton k. Kontogiannh sto qerino tmhma ths Boylhs, xwris malista, opws o idios leei, na to epiqymei;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, ayto afora thn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Qa hqela omws na sas pw, apo thn empeiria thn opoia exw, apo tis plhrofories tis opoies exw, oti ayth h allagh melwn twn qerinwn tmhmatwn einai mia synhqhs praktikh, h opoia synhqws ginetai kai me plhrh gnwsh twn melwn twn tmhmatwn ta opoia antikaqistantai. Den blepw, dhladh, tipote to idiaitero.

FOYRLHS: O k. Manwlhs, wstoso, dhlwse  nomizw einai apokalyptikos, toylaxiston se dhmosiografoys oti den gnwrize tipota tetoio, den eixe enhmerwqei sxetika.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati perissotero se osa eipa.

RABANOS: H antikatastash toy k. Manwlh exei sxesh me th diafwnia toy gia thn tropologia gia tis DEKO; Kai synexizw me ena deytero ypoerwthma: O k. Manwlhs einai apo aytoys poy antidroyn sthn tropologia stis DEKO mazi me toys syndikalistes ths DAKE. Yparxei skech, einai diateqeimenh h kybernhsh kalytera, na rijei ligo ``nero sto krasi ths'', na kanei ena bhma pisw, oytws wste na perasei h tropologia me to ligotero dynato politiko kostos;

ANTWNAROS: Gia to sygkekrimeno qema topoqethqhka molis. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo. Gia to allo qema, to oysiastiko qema ths tropologias gia tis DEKO, topoqethqhke erwtwmenos, molis prin apo liga lepta, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Giwrgos Alogoskoyfhs, sth dhlwsh toy opoioy kai sas parapempw.

KOTTARIDHS: H antikatastash enos boyleyth o opoios diafwnei me mia politikh ths kybernhshs, me kapoion allon poy qa paei na chfisei symfwna me oti epibalei h kybernhsh h eseis, qewreite oti proagei th Dhmokratia kai thn polyfwnia se ena komma;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw to eipa.

KOTTARIDHS: Sto deipno toy Prwqypoyrgoy thn Pempth, qa antikatastaqei o k. Manwlhs apo ton k. Kontogiannh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa kai xqes, erwtwmenos sxetika, oti se aytes tis synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy oi opoies ginontai kaqe xrono, taktika kai den exoyn tipota to ejairetiko, to mh synhqes, kaloyntai oi boyleytes oi opoioi metexoyn sta tmhmata. En prokeimenw sto prwto kai sto deytero tmhma. Qa ginei kai argotera, pros to telos toy kalokairioy, arxes Septembrioy kai mia allh synanthsh gia osoys boyleytes metexoyn sto trito tmhma. Osoi boyleytes den mporoyn, gia opoiondhpote logo, na metasxoyn se ayth th meqayrianh synanthsh, se aytoys toys boyleytes qa apeyqynqei prosklhsh na metasxoyn sto epomeno deipno.

KAKALHS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs eipe oti kaqe allo para katargei tis syllogikes symbaseis, sthn tropologia poy kateqese gia tis DEKO. Paralogizontai omadika oloi oi syndikalistes, akoma kai syndikalistes poy proskeintai sthn kybernhtikh paratajh poy lene to antiqeto; Kai ti shmainei h tropologia poy qespizei oti apo th Diypoyrgikh Epitroph orizetai to anwtato pososto twn ayjhsewn stis DEKO; Ayto den einai parembash stis syllogikes symbaseis kai katarghsh toys sthn pragmatikothta;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw stis analytikes dhlwseis tis opoies exei kanei o k. Alogoskoyfhs gi` ayto to qema, oxi mono shmera alla kai tis prohgoymenes meres. Qa hqela na tis diabasete prosektika. Nomizw oti den qa breqei kaneis Ellhnas poliths, kaneis Ellhnas forologoymenos o opoios den qa deijei katanohsh oti se elleimmatikes etaireies qa prepei na breqei mia lysh ejisorrophtikh, wste oi ayjhseis oi opoies didontai na mhn epibarynoyn akomh perissotero ta elleimmata aytwn twn DEKO. Giati ta elleimmata aytwn twn DEKO ta xrhmatodotoyn, se teleytaia analysh, oi Ellhnes forologoymenoi apo to ysterhma toys.

KAKALHS: Qa hqela na sas diaceysw ep aytoy, eimai o monadikos poliths poy isws diafwnei poy den qa qelate edw pera enan polith poy diafwnei.

ANTWNAROS: Den qa sas afairesw se kamia periptwsh to dikaiwma ths diafwnias.

KAKALHS: Qelw na moy apanthsete to ejhs: Pws ginetai se aytes tis ``elleimmatikes'' pragmatika DEKO na yparxoyn ayjhseis sta timologia polles fores panw apo ton plhqwrismo kai na einai thn idia stigmh oi ayjhseis poy dinontai stoys ergazomenoys na einai sto epipedo toy plhqwrismoy kai par ola ayta na eyqynontai oi ergazomenoi gia ta elleimmata.

ANTWNAROS: Stis etaireies aytes exoyn sysswreytei gia polles dekaeties terastia elleimmata, ta opoia prepei me kapoio tropo na antimetwpistoyn. Dioti diaforetika kai eseis kai kaqe Ellhnas forologoymenos qa klhqei se teleytaia analysh na plhrwsei ayta ta elleimmata. Ayto prepei na ginei apolytws safes. Den einai dynaton ayta ta elleimmata na megalwnoyn synexeia dioti einai elleimmata poy kalyptontai apo to ysterhma twn Ellhnwn forologoymenwn.

KAKALHS: Sta elleimmata perilambanontai kai oi mizes poy dinontai se diafores SIEMENS;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw.

FOYRLHS: Qa moy epitrecete na epanelqw sto qema toy k. Manwlh. Qa hqela na rwthsw: Den yparxei kapoios sygkekrimenos peistikos logos giati antikatastaqhke; Giati diaforetika dhmioyrgeitai h entypwsh oti h kybernhsh fobatai kati kai gia ayto allazei boyleytes poy den einai epiqymhtoi se sygkekrimenes synedriaseis kai se sygkekrimenes plhrofories;

ANTWNAROS: Edwsa mia synolikh apanthsh sto prwto erwthma poy moy eteqh sxetika kai sas parakalw na th diabasete prosektika.

FOYRLHS: Den dieykrinisate omws ton logo gia ton opoio antikatastaqhke. Mas eipate oti einai mia synhqhs praktikh. Dekto. Alla den yparxei kapoios logos sthn praktikh ayth giati enas boyleyths antikaqistatai;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati parapanw.

ZORMPA: Sthn apanthsh poy dwsate sxetika me thn antikatastash toy k. Manwlh, kanate logo gia thn allagh thn synhqh, oti ginetai me plhrh gnwsh twn melwn ta opoia antikaqistantai. H plhrhs gnwsh symperilambanei kai th synainesh;

ANTWNAROS: Den qelw na mpw se nomikh analysh ths mias h ths allhs lejhs. Shmasia exei h oysia aytwn twn pragmatwn.

RABANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prin apo ligo o k. Soyflias ejerxomenos apo to Megaro Majimoy krathse apostaseis apo thn oikonomikh politikh ths kybernhshs me ton tropo toy. H stash toy k. Soyflia einai synexeia enos klimatos sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada kai sth kybernhsh arnhtiko gia thn askoymenh oikonomikh politikh. Qewreite oti h oikonomikh politikh ths kybernhshs einai epityxhs, qewreite oti exei petyxei h oikonomikh politikh sas kai yparxoyn skeceis gia allagh ths;

ANTWNAROS: Den diabazw etsi th dhlwsh toy k. Soyflia. Se kamia periptwsh. Sto deytero, to genikotero qema to opoio moy qetete: Stoxos ths oikonomikhs politikhs, h opoia askeitai edw kai tesseramisi xronia peripoy, afotoy to Marth toy 2004 ejelegh gia prwth fora h Nea Dhmokratia me thn entolh na kybernhsei th xwra kai phre kainoyrgia entolh poly prosfata, to Septembrio, gia na synexisei ayth th diakybernhsh, einai to noikokyrema ths ellhnikhs oikonomias poy gnwrizete mesa apo poies Symplhgades eixe perasei. Ta apotelesmata ayths ths politikhs einai apta. Den eipame oti exoyme ftasei se ena oristiko, apolyta ikanopoihtiko apotelesma. Qa hqela omws na qymisw sygkekrimena stoixeia. Qa hqela na qymisw oti sth diarkeia aytwn twn tesseramisi etwn epiteyxqhke pros ofelos olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn mia shmantikh meiwsh ths anergias, h opoia plhsiaze to 12% kai exei katebei, symfwna me ta teleytaia stoixeia ta opoia, asfalws, sas einai gnwsta, katw apo 8%. Epiteyxqhke akomh, mia diathrhsh, para tis Kassandres oi opoies proelegan to antiqeto, meta toys Olympiakoys Agwnes kai para th dysmenh dieqnh sygkyria, toy ryqmoy anaptyjhs ths xwras se epipeda poy einai poly panw apo to meso oro twn ``15'' ths Eyrwzwnhs. Beltiwqhke se poly megalo baqmo h qesh sthn opoia briskontai oi xamhlomisqoi kai oi xamhlosyntajioyxoi. Den lew to epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora oti h katastash einai idanikh. Sas ypenqymizw, omws oti gia prwth fora meta apo polla xronia, anaprosarmosthke to aforologhto orio, to opoio eixe meinei pagwmeno akribws gia na apallagoyn oi xamhlosyntajioyxoi kai oi xamhlomisqoi apo forologika barh ta opoia eixan. Ola ayta, loipon, einai apotelesmata mias swfronos oikonomikhs politikhs, mias prosektikhs oikonomikhs politikhs poy taytoxrona ejasfalizei thn ejwqen kalh martyria ths xwras mas poy eixe ypostei sobara plhgmata kai dieykolynei thn eisroh twn koinotikwn enisxysewn, twn koinotikwn kefalaiwn. Kaneis pleon, to ypogrammizw ayto, den amfisbhtei ta stoixeia. Einai stoixeia ta opoia akribws, apeikonizoyn tis poiotikes allages poy exoyn ginei sth diaxeirish ths oikonomias ths xwras, kai einai gia oloys aptes.

RABANOS: Mia dieykrinish. Anaferqhkate se mia seira energeiwn ths kybernhshs gia th beltiwsh ths oikonomikhs katastashs ths xwras...

ANTWNAROS: Twn Ellhnwn politwn.

RABANOS: Bebaiws. Otan omws o idios o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias, o exwn thn eyqynh ths askoymenhs oikonomikhs politikhs, paradexetai oti sta esoda exoyme piasei pato, yparxei ena qema. H kybernhsh pws ajiologei ayth th dhlwsh; Den qewrei oti yparxei ena problhma; Otan bgainei kai mia seira stelexwn, opws paradeigmatos xarin, o prwhn proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Ebert, poy leei oti qa mporoyse na exei ginei kalyterh doyleia gia na exoyme kalytera apotelesmata; Den einai ligo antifatiko;

ANTWNAROS: H prospaqeia einai diarkhs. Kai asfalws, oi anafores poy ekane prin apo liges molis hmeres o k. Alogoskoyfhs otan prohdreyse ths synedriashs toy Symboylioy gia thn Antimetwpish ths Forodiafyghs, deixnei oti se orismenoys tomeis exoyn na ginoyn akomh polla. Egw o idios sas eipa oti h katastash den einai idanikh. Den exoyme ftasei sta epiqymhta  kai nomizw apo oloys mas plaisia. Alla, h prospaqeia synexizetai. Den exoyme ftasei akoma sto terma toy dromoy.

FOYRLHS: Qa qelate na mas peite pote enhmerwqhke h kybernhsh gia thn epistolh poy esteile o Prwqypoyrgos twn Skopiwn, o k. Gkroyefski sta Hnwmena Eqnh kai me poio tropo protiqetai na antidrasei;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei dia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, opws eipa kai xqes, me jekaqaro, kathgorhmatiko tropo stis prospaqeies tis opoies kataballei h politikh hgesia ths geitonos xwras na apospasei thn prosoxh xwris epityxia, to ypogrammizw, ths dieqnoys koinhs gnwmhs apo to ena kai monadiko antikeimeno sta plaisia ths diadikasias poy ginetai sta Hnwmena Eqnh. Thn ejeyresh, dhladh, mias koina apodekths onomasias. Den yparxei tipote allo to opoio na perilambanetai sthn entolh poy exei o eidikos diapragmateyths. Kai epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora: H Ellada proserxetai me qetiko pneyma, me epoikodomhtiko pneyma se aytes tis diapragmateyseis kai epiqymei thn ejeyresh lyshs. Prepei na apodeijei kai h allh pleyra oti epiqymei thn ejeyresh ayths ths lyshs.

KOTTARIDHS: Epeidh eipate prin oti einai synhqismenh praktikh na yparjoyn antikatastaseis boyleytwn, qelete na moy ypenqymisete mia periptwsh opoy antikatastaqhke boyleyths o opoios diafwnoyse me sygkekrimeno nomosxedio; Kai den milaw gia antikatastash kapoioy o opoios htan asqenhs kai den mporoyse na parabreqei.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto komma ths Neas Dhmokratias h sth Grammateia ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas. Eimai bebaios oti qa sas enhmerwsoyn gia sxetikes periptwseis.

TROYPIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na moy peite an o Prwqypoyrgos htan enhmeros kai synainese sthn allagh toy k. Manwlh h an oi Ypoyrgoi poy exoyn nomosxedia na perasoyn sth Boylh, dhladh o k. Alogoskoyfhs h o k. Stylianidhs htan enhmeroi kai synainesan h aplws prokeitai gia apofash toy k. Tragakh.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati parapanw. O,ti eixa na pw gi` ayto to qema, to eipa.

FOYRLHS: Qa epimeinete sthn orologia poy xrhsimopoihsate prohgoymenws oti einai ``nomiko zhthma'' h synainesh h mh synainesh enos boyleyth;

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ayto to pragma. Eipa oti den prokeitai na mpw se analysh orwn, diaforetikwn lejewn, twn opoiwn h ermhneia einai ligo-poly, nomiko qema.

FOYRLHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, einai nomiko qema an enas boyleyths qelei h den qelei na antikatastaqei apo mia epitroph h opoia apasxoleitai me ena poly shmantiko nomosxedio poy afora xiliades, ekatommyria endexomenws, Ellhnes polites;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eipa einai jekaqaro. Den exw na pw kati allo panw s ayto to qema.

KAKALHS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs eipe oti den einai koinwnika dikaio na exoyn diaforetika dikaiwmata oi ergazomenoi stis DEKO apo toys ergazomenoys ston idiwtiko tomea.

ANTWNAROS: Pote to eipe ayto o k. Alogoskoyfhs;

KAKALHS: Den diabasate shmera thn efhmerida ELEYQEROS TYPOS;

ANTWNAROS: Egw jerw tis dhlwseis, tis opoies exei kanei dhmosia o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

KAKALHS: Oxi, na sas diabasw ayth poy eipe ston ELEYQERO TYPO.

ANTWNAROS: Kyrie Kakalh, egw den kanw kritikh twn efhmeridwn.

KAKALHS: Nai. Isxyoyn h den isxyoyn oi dhlwseis; Gia na jerw an qa kanw thn erwthsh.

ANTWNAROS: En pash periptwsei, kante thn erwthsh sas kai qa sas apanthsw.

KAKALHS: Oi dhlwseis stis efhmerides den qewroyntai epishmes;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw, kante thn erwthsh sas.

KAKALHS: Ston ELEYQERO TYPO shmera dhlwnei o k. Alogoskoyfhs oti den einai koinwnika dikaio na exoyn diaforetika dikaiwmata oi ergazomenoi stis DEKO apo toys ergazomenoys ston idiwtiko tomea. Ayto poy jeroyn oi pantes einai oti ston idiwtiko tomea den efarmozontai oi syllogikes symbaseis ergasias, den plhrwnontai yperwries, polloi einai anasfalistoi, den yparxoyn syndikalistika dikaiwmata. Ayta akribws ta dikaiwmata qelei na efarmostoyn kai sto dhmosio tomea gia na ejomoiwqoyn pros ta katw;

ANTWNAROS: Kai poios sas eipe oti osa isxyrizeste isxyoyn ston idiwtiko tomea;

KAKALHS: Exete diaforetikh eikona eseis.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws. Apolytws.

KAKALHS: Na ta peite stoys ergodotes ston idiwtiko tomea.

Sas eyxaristw.

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