Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-07-30

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 30 Ioylioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 151085696

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 30 Ioylioy 2008

Xairete.

Opws einai gnwsto, ayrio, o Prwqypoyrgos qa paraqesei deipno stoys boyleytes toy prwtoy kai deyteroy qerinoy tmhmatos ths Neas Dhmokratias.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Manwlhs ejakoloyqei na dysforei gia thn apofash peri antikatastasews toy apo ton k. Kontogiannh. Hqela na rwthsw, loipon, ean apo dw kai sto ejhs, otan kapoios boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias diafwnei me epiloges, kentrikes strathgikes, ths kybernhshs, qa antikaqistatai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei apanthqei to qema apo ton k. Antwnaro, xqes. Eida oti toy kanate polles erwthseis. Sas exei dwsei apanthseis. Tipota perissotero den qa prosqesw egw shmera.

FANIDHS: An moy epitrepete, eixe milhsei peri synaineshs. Den yphrxe synainesh kai to lew giati bgainei synexeia o k. Manwlhs kai to diaceydei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h idia apanthsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sthn oysia gia ton k. Manwlh. Epeidh den egine jekaqaro xqes, alla to apanthsate twra, oti o idios elege oti den zhthse thn antikatastash toy kai oti egine erhmhn toy. Telika symfwnhqhke; Yphrje h symfwnh gnwmh toy k. Manwlh h prokeitai -me olo to qarros- gia qeatro skiwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai ti ennoeite ws ``qeatro skiwn''. Se kaqe periptwsh, to qema exei apanthqei apo xqes.

KAKALHS: Pisteyete oti h kybernhsh peiqei ston isxyrismo ths oti oi ergazomenoi ftaine gia ta elleimmata stis prwhn DEKO kai oxi oi kybernhseis kai oi diorismenes apo aytes dioikhseis poy exoyn analabei tis promhqeies, tis anaqeseis ergwn, tis roysfetologikes proslhceis. Dhladh, oi ergazomenoi kai oxi oi dioikhseis eyqynontai gia ta elleimmata; Giati plhrwnoyn oi ergazomenoi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai ayto to qema exei apanthqei endelexws. Einai poly apla ta pragmata. Arkei kapoios na ta proseggisei me kalh pisth. Den yposthrije h kybernhsh  bebaiws- ayto to epixeirhma poy lete ws monadikh aitia. Eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs shmera kapoia stoixeia sth Boylh -twra poy milame h synedriash synexizetai sth Boylh- opws gia paradeigma oti se orismenes DEKO ta esoda toys den ftanoyn kala  kala oyte gia th misqodosia twn ergazomenwn. Se kaqe periptwsh pantws, antilambanetai kapoios oti den mporei oi forologoymenoi na fortwnontai ta elleimmata twn DEKO. Ginetai mia prospaqeia ejorqologismoy toy systhmatos, h opoia perilambanei fysika kai tis ayjhseis. Ayjhseis poy den qa einai pote katw apo ton plhqwrismo alla kai poy den mporei na einai se pososta yperogka, opws mexri twra, dystyxws, synebaine.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na ejhghsete pws eftase sta oria ths katarreyshs to Tameio Asfalishs Eleyqerwn Epaggelmatiwn poy prohlqe apo thn enopoihsh TEBE, Emporwn kai TSA; Ftaiei h ypoxrhmatodothsh apo ton kratiko Proypologismo ola ayta ta xronia; Kai h kybernhsh gia na lysei to problhma, qa proxwrhsei se meiwsh twn syntajewn, opws foboyntai oi amesa endiaferomenoi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To deytero skelos apantatai arnhtika, bebaiws. Se o,ti afora to prwto, exei endiaferon na sas pw dyo  tria pragmata gia to istoriko ths ypoqeshs. Me to nomo toy 1999, ths kybernhshs toy PASOK tote, ta Tameia Aytokinhtistwn, to TSA, to TAE twn emporwn kai to TEBE, enopoihqhkan kai dhmioyrghsan ton OAEE. To sxhma arxise na leitoyrgei, giati etsi proeblepe ekeinos o nomos, apo thn 1/1/2007 me apolytws anorqologiko tropo. H epideinwsh twn deiktwn kai twn oloena ayjanomenwn kratikwn epixorhghsewn thn teleytaia oktaetia, ofeiletai prwton, stis xorhghseis ychlwn syntajewn mono twn asfalismenwn toy prwhn TEBE poy ftanoyn ta 120%  140% twn eisforwn. Deyteron, th megalh ysterhsh esodwn apo eisfores poy jeperna to 30% ethsiws. Triton, thn almatwdh ayjhsh twn dapanwn ygeias, kyriws twn iatrofarmakeytikwn paroxwn poy jepernoyn epishs to 30% ethsiws. Allo shmeio einai oti einai profanes pws h katastash ayth toy OAEE, oxi mono den proklhqhke apo thn asfalistikh metarryqmish, opws den to yposthrijate eseis sto erwthma sas -opws anaferetai shmera se merida toy Typoy- alla apotelei mia apo tis paqogeneies poy katesthsan epibeblhmenh thn metarryqmish gia to Asfalistiko thn opoia allwste gnwrizoyme oloi se polles kai se baqos leptomereies. Thn Paraskeyh, meqayrio, h Ypoyrgos k. Petralia qa episkefqei, sto plaisio ths oloklhrwshs ths prwths fashs ths asfalistikhs metarryqmishs, ton OAEE gia na egkatasthsei to neo dioikhtiko symboylio. H prospaqeia thn opoia kanei h kybernhsh, gnwrizete oti xwrizetai se treis faseis apo th stigmh poy chfisthke o nomos. H deyterh fash oloklhrwnetai ton Oktwbrio -h prwth htan me thn enopoihsh- kai h trith fash einai toy xronoy, thn 1h Ioynioy toy 2009. Einai mia diadikasia dyskolh, epiponh, alla wstoso, opws exei apodeixqei aparaithth, prokeimenoy ta Tameia na ginoyn isxyrotera, ta oikonomika toys kalytera kai na mporesoyn na apolambanoyn to agaqo ths syntajhs kai ths periqalchs, fysika oloi oi asfalismenoi.

MPOTSARHS: Oi allages stis DEKO qa perilambanoyn kai antikatastash kapoiwn dioikhtwn oi opoioi den apedwsan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw kati sygkekrimeno na sas apanthsw twra giati ayto antilambaneste qa prokalesei alla, erwthmata. Pantws, se kaqe periptwsh krinontai oloi. Oloi krinomaste. Opws krinetai enas Ypoyrgos, enas Yfypoyrgos, enas Genikos Grammateas, etsi krinontai kai oi dioikhseis twn DEKO.

KOTTARIDHS: Se kati allo. H katastash poy exei dhmioyrghqei sto eswteriko politiko skhniko twn Skopiwn, me tis fylakiseis twra stelexwn ths antipoliteyshs, sas problhmatizei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai bebaios oti stoixeia ta opoia aforoyn thn eswterikh politikh katastash ths geitonikhs xwras, akomh kai an den ginontai antikeimeno sxoliwn apo th dikh mas pleyra gia eynohtoys logoys dioti ayto poy mas apasxolei kyriws sth sxesh me ayth th xwra einai na breqei lysh sto meizon zhthma poy yparxei ws diafora metajy mas, einai omws stoixeia ta opoia perilambanontai stis ekqeseis tis opoies qa exei ypoch ths kai h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph sto mellon kai o Organismos Hnwmenwn Eqnwn.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite ti eggyatai oti den qa exoyn thn idia tyxh me ton Organismo Asfaleias Eleyqerwn Epaggelmatiwn kai ta ypo enopoihsh Tameia poy prowqei twra h kybernhsh; Giati den kairofylaktoyn oi idioi logoi gia na odhghsoyn sta proqyra ths katarreyshs kai ayta ta Tameia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sta proqyra ths katarreyshs htan, opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, mia aitiwdhs anafora h opoia odhghse thn kybernhsh sto na ferei to Asfalistiko nomosxedio. H prospaqeia poy ginetai, einai akribws sthn antiqeth kateyqynsh: Na enisxyqoyn kai na mhn katarreysoyn. Dioti, dystyxws, epi seira etwn blepame oti den thrhqhkan polles apo tis probleceis oi opoies eixan lhfqei to 1992. Sas qymizw mia thn opoia qewrw para poly shmantikh kai nomizw kai kaqe asfalismenos qewrei shmantikh: H ypoxrewsh twn dioikhsewn na katartizoyn proypologismo kai na apodidoyn ta oikonomika stoixeia sth dhmosiothta, mia ypoxrewsh poy dystyxws den plhrwqhke epi twn kybernhsewn toy PASOK kai odhghse, se polles periptwseis, se sfalmata kai se laqos entypwseis gia thn pragmatikh katastash poy yparxei sta Tameia. H doyleia olwn, h systhmatikh doyleia poy exei ginei gia to Asfalistiko nomosxedio, odhgei, an oxi se yperbolikh aisiodojia, pantws se bebaiothta oti ta pragmata qa arxisoyn na beltiwnontai kai qa enisxyontai pragmatika ta Tameia sta oikonomika toys.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se sxesh panta me to qema twn Skopiwn, den problhmatizei thn kybernhsh olh ayth h biomhxania epistolwn sth sfaira ths diplwmatias poy yioqetei to teleytaio diasthma h hgesia twn Skopiwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O kaqenas dikaioytai na ekfrasei tis qeseis toy me ton tropo poy aytos nomizei. Se kaqe periptwsh exei apanthqei to qema. Sas qymizw, me aformh thn epistolh poy esteile o Prwqypoyrgos twn Skopiwn ston Proedro ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs kai ston Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo.

FANIDHS: O Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos synexarh ton k. Gkroyefski me epistolh toy xqes, an den kanw laqos. Yphrje kapoia antidrash apo thn pleyra twn Skopiwn; Kapoia kinhsh kalhs qelhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei kati to opoio gnwrizw. Mia typikh diadikasia metajy xwrwn oi opoies exoyn kapoioy eidoys diplwmatikes sxeseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se allo qema. Ean exei ypoch ths h kybernhsh kapoia dysforia ek meroys ths aystralianhs kybernhshs gia ton agrio jylodarmo kapoioy toyrista  an qymamai kala- edw sth xwra mas. Yparxei kati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw kati epi toy sygkekrimenoy. Qelw wstoso, me aformh thn erwthsh sas, na ekfrasw ton apotropiasmo olwn mas, oxi mono ths kybernhshs, alla pisteyw olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn gia to epeisodio to opoio exei odhghsei enan Aystralo polith na brisketai ayth th stigmh se krisimh katastash, se nosokomeio. Qewrw oti tetoioy eidoys fainomena, apadoyn toy politismoy ton opoio ayth h xwra exei didajei kai synexizei na didaskei kai bebaiws plhttoyn thn eikona ths xwras sto ejwteriko. Eimai bebaios oti oi armodies arxes qa kinhqoyn me taxytates diadikasies, etsi wste na ginei oti prepei na ginei gia aytoys poy prokalesan ton bary traymatismo toy Aystraloy polith.

FOYRLHS: Einai ikanopoihmenh en genei h kybernhsh apo thn eikona synoxhs poy paroysiazei h Koinoboyleytikh Omada kai ta stelexh ths, en ocei krisimwn epilogwn, opws einai to nomosxedio gia tis DEKO, poy prowqoyntai ayth th stigmh kai poy qewroyntai kentrikes metarryqmiseis apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apanthsh einai nai.

KAKALHS: Na epanelqw sto prohgoymeno qema. Na rwthsw poy apodidete oti h Ellada fetos breqhke ektos toy TOP 10 twn dhmofilesterwn toyristikwn proorismwn, symfwna me ereyna toyristikoy organismoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw poios einai o toyristikos organismos ston opoion anafereste, alla yparxoyn dieqneis organismoi. An kapoios mpei se kapoia apo ta megala sites toy ejwterikoy, qa diapistwsei oti h Ellada paramenei enas apo toys prosfileis topoys proorismoy twn toyristwn apantaxoy ths ghs. Allwste, sas qymizw oti molis prosfata o Ypoyrgos Toyristikhs Anaptyjhs k. Sphliwtopoylos, meta apo synanthsh poy eixe me ton Prwqypoyrgo, anakoinwse ta stoixeia ta opoia mexri stigmhs yparxoyn gia thn toyristikh kinhsh sth xwra mas, stoixeia ayjhmena se sxesh me to parelqon.

PALAIOLOGOS: H prohgoymenh apanthsh sas sto erwthma synadelfoy gia thn eikona synoxhs sth Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias, moy prokalei to erwthma: Tote poy apodidei h kybernhsh ta synexh teleytaia kroysmata diaforopoihsewn apo boyleytes, opws einai o k. Tatoylhs o opoios milaei gia to dikaiwma toy boyleyth na ekfrazei tis apoceis toy opws einai o k. Polydwras h esxatws o k. Manwlhs o opoios diaforopoihqhke gia to qema ths tropologias twn DEKO; Poy ta apodidei tote ayta; Einai proswpikes apoceis twn boyleytwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa mporoysa na apanthsw genika oti exoyn, hdh, doqei, kata kairoys kai kata periptwsh, apanthseis s ola ta qemata ta opoia qigei h erwthsh sas. Qa sas pw oti h Nea Dhmokratia exei anoxh sthn allh apoch. Taytoxronws, qa shmeiwsw oti h Nea Dhmokratia exei eklegei ws kybernhsh me th desmeysh na kanei prajh to programma ths. O,ti, loipon, exei eisaxqei ws nomosxedio sth Boylh, opoia politikh allagh, metarryqmish h kinhsh ginetai, einai allages, metarryqmiseis, kinhseis tis opoies oi Ellhnes polites exoyn egkrinei sto programma mas kai bebaiws exoyn egkrinei kai oi idioi oi boyleytes stoys opoioys anafereste  kai den milw monon gia enan h dyo boyleytes, alla gia olh thn koinoboyleytikh omada  sthn diarkeia ths syzhthshs gia thn chfo empistosynhs poy akoloyqhse thn eklogikh nikh toy Septembrioy.

MELIGKWNHS : Mia poy milhsate gia to programma, qymamai oti sthn synenteyjh poy eixe dwsei o k. Alogoskoyfhs thn perasmenh Kyriakh, eixe pei oti ayto to programma siga- siga ftanei sta oria toy kai pws prepei na mpei ena neo programma gia mia atzenta 2020. H kybernhsh qewrei oti ontws exei ftasei sta oria toy ayto to programma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme akoma dromo na oloklhrwsoyme to programma gia to opoio exoyme desmeytei enwpion twn Ellhnwn politwn. Se kaqe periptwsh omws, h zwsa politikh pragmatikothta h h zwsa pragmatikothta, odhgei se kapoio baqmo oles tis politikes dynameis sthn metejelijh. Metejelijh, h opoia einai systatiko stoixeio ths ananewshs kai ths politikhs pragmatikothtas, ths politikhs zwhs kai den ypainissomai kati perissotero me ayto, alla thn ananewsh politikwn. Enisxysh twn politikwn mas ginetai mesa apo thn diadikasia toy na afoygkrazetai h kybernhsh to lao kai tis anagkes toy. Yparxoyn sigoyra genikes grammes oi opoies exoyn kaqoristei apo ta programmata mas, toso toy 2004 oso kai toy 2007, ta programmata ennow ths proeklogikhs periodoy, yparxei apodeijh pia oti polla apo ayta ta programmata exoyn ginei prajh, oi metarryqmiseis exoyn mpei se ena dromo. H opoiadhpote enisxysh ths politikhs ginetai me bash tis nees synqhkes oi opoies diamorfwnontai. Zoyme se ena kosmo o opoios diarkws allazei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara, dhladh, den fobaste ws kybernhsh gia shmera, sthn onomastikh chfoforia poy qa diejaxqei sth Boylh, gia to endexomeno katachfishs ths tropologias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

KAKALHS: H metejelijh, sthn opoia anaferqhkate prohgoymenws, twn politikwn ypokeimenwn, twn kommatwn, ektos apo thn ananewsh twn politikwn perilambanei kai idees gia synergasies me eyryteroys xwroys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa apanthsw jekaqara opws kai se prohgoymenh erwthsh antistoixh: Oxi. H Nea Dhmokratia pisteyei oti h aytodynamh kybernhsh kai oi aytodynames kybernhseis einai poy xreiazetai o topos gia na paei mprosta.

KAKALHS: Pws topoqeteitai h kybernhsh apenanti sto aithma twn ergazomenwn sthn nayphgoepiskeyastikh zwnh gia dhmioyrgia kratikoy forea texnikwn asfaleias kai xhmikwn asfaleias kai na pacoyn pleon na diorizontai aytoi apo idiwtika grafeia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eimai etoimos na sas apanthsw sto sygkekrimeno paroti qewrw oti einai para poly shmantiko. Qa qymisw oti apo to 2005 exoyn hdh ginei kapoies allages etsi wste na beltiwqoyn oi synqhkes asfaleias twn ergazomenwn sthn perioxh thn opoia anaferate. Opoiadhpote protash, h opoia mporei na enisxysei akomh perissotero aytes tis synqhkes  giati opws eipame polla pragmata allazoyn, oi synqhkes allazoyn - einai kalodexoymenh protash.

FOYRLHS: Qelw na rwthsw an einai akribes oti yparxoyn orismena problhmata stis diapragmateyseis gia thn enarjh kataskeyhs toy agwgoy Mpoyrgkaz  Alejandroypolh, se sxesh me kosth meletwn, se sxesh me stelexwsh ths etairias, poy qetei h Rwsikh pleyra kai an einai akribes oti yphrje mia episkech toy ypoyrgoy Anaptyjhs gi ayto to logo sth Mosxa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw ayto. Mporw na rwthsw ton Ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs. Se kaqe periptwsh qymaste oti egine mia prospaqeia apo thn kybernhsh ayth na symptyxqei o xamenos xronos. Htan xamenos xronos peripoy 12 etwn. Mesa se poly mikro xroniko diasthma, gia ta dedomena akribws toy xamenoy xronoy toy parelqontos, eginan oi symfwnies metajy twn dyo xwrwn kai h politikh diastash, oi politikes symfwnies metajy twn kybernhsewn oloklhrwqhkan, opws gnwrizete, edw kai peripoy ena xrono. Exoyn proxwrhsei oi symfwnies metajy twn etairiwn gia thn kataskeyh. Den eimai omws proxeiros na sas dwsw poly leptomereiakh apanthsh, poly pio sygkekrimenh apanthsh sto erwthma poy qetete. Qa epikoinwnhsw me ton k. Fwlia kai an exw kati perissotero qa sas to pw ayrio.

FOYRLHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, exei doqei h aisqhsh oti qewrei katallhlh xronikh stigmh kai katallhlo bhma thn Dieqnh Ekqesh Qessalonikhs gia na anaggeilei, na anakoinwsei orismena metra kyriws gia yposthrijh twn asqenesterwn koinwnikwn omadwn. Einai orqh ayth h entypwsh poy yparxei h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den synhqizw na prolegw ti qa pei o Prwqypoyrgos eite sthn Ekqesh eite se alles omilies toy. Gnwrizete pantws oti h genikh kateyqynsh  thn exw pei polles fores kai egw, edw, s ayto to bhma alla kai o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn o k . Alogoskoyfhs  einai gia thn enisxysh twn koinwnikwn omadwn oi opoies exoyn plhgei toso apo thn almatwdh ayjhsh ths timhs toy petrelaioy, oso kai apo thn ayjhsh, dieqnws, twn timwn twn basikwn prwtwn ylwn, poy exoyn ws apotelesma ayjhsh kai orismenwn apo ta proionta kaqhmerinhs xrhshs apo toys katanalwtes, oxi mono sthn Ellada alla kai sthn ypoloiph Eyrwph, ston ypoloipo planhth.

Gia na mhn dhmioyrghqei kapoioy eidoys paranohsh, me aformh to erwthma toy k. Kakalh, emmenw bebaiws sthn apoch thn opoia exw ekfrasei prin apo liges hmeres kai malista erwthqhn polles fores gi ayto meta, oti den yparxei kanena qema eklogwn. Aplws apanthsa sthn genikh anafora oti h Nea Dhmokratia pisteyei pws ayto poy xreiazetai o topos einai aytodynamh kybernhsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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