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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 16 Ioylioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 148584046

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 16 Ioylioy 2008

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, ayrio, stis 11.00, qa exei synergasia me toys Ypoyrgoys Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Giwrgo Alogoskoyfh kai Toyristikhs Anaptyjhs Arh Sphliwtopoylo.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, parakoloyqoyme thn prospaqeia poy kanei h kybernhsh gia na ejygianei thn Olympiakh. Sthn prospaqeia ayth, diabasame oti prowqoyntai programmata eqeloysias ejodoy gia 2.000 nomizw ypallhloys. Ayto, antilambanetai kaneis oti qa kostisei para polla xrhmata sto ellhniko Dhmosio ayth h kinhsh. Hqela na rwthsw, omws, efoson ta pragmata pane ekei, giati prin apo liges mono hmeres 609 ypallhloi ths Olympiakhs monimopoihqhkan stis qeseis toys. Dhladh, apo th mia monimopoioyntai kai apo thn allh, se liges hmeres qa toys zhthqei na akoloyqhsoyn to programma eqeloysias ejodoy poy qa kostisei ena swro lefta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei anakoinwqei, pantws, kati tetoio san ayto poy lete.

FANIDHS: Symfwna me dhmosieymata, malista yparxoyn kai posa, an qelete na sas diabasw...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pisteyw ayto poy moy lete. Pros Qeoy! Ennow oti den amfisbhtw ta dhmosieymata. Giati, kata ta loipa, den yparxei epishmh anakoinwsh apo thn kybernhsh. Qa hqela na apeyqynqeite sto armodio ypoyrgeio. Bebaiws, mporw kai egw na apeyqynqw kai ayrio na exete mia pio oloklhrwmenh apanthsh.

KAKALHS: Den yparxei sxedon oyte mia hmera apo tis arxes toy kalokairioy poy na mhn kaigetai kapoio dasos kai na mhn jespaei kapoia pyrkagia se olh th xwra. Qymizw, eidika gia ta dash, ton Ymhtto, to Mainalo, to Karpenhsi, ta Derbenoxwria, h Kefalonia shmera kai h Malakasa, ap` o,ti eida prin apo ligo. Ayta ola den einai mia tragikh epibebaiwsh oti h kybernhsh exei afhsei pantelws anyperaspista ta dash apenanti stis pyrkagies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme, eytyxws, ekatontades xiliades stremmata daswn. Prospaqoyme oloi kai pisteyw, oxi mono h kybernhsh h oi armodies yphresies, alla kai oi polites -kai me ayth thn eykairia, qelw na eyxaristhsw para poly toys eqelontes poy yparxoyn se olh thn Ellada, kaqe kalokairi kai efetos akomh perissoteroi- na prostateysoyme to dasiko mas ployto. Qelw na sas enhmerwsw oti kata to teleytaio eikositetrawro mono, ekdhlwqhkan, symfwna me ta stoixeia ths Pyrosbestikhs Yphresias, synolika 102 esties pyrkagiwn se dasikes perioxes kai 54 astikes pyrkagies ana thn epikrateia. Para tis idiaitera dysmeneis kairikes synqhkes, opws einai oi ychles qermokrasies, oi dynatoi anemoi, oles oi esties briskontai ypo elegxo. Prin apo ligo eixame mia ekrhjh neas pyrkagias stis perioxes poy anaferate kai qelw na sas pw oti mesa sta prwta 23 lepta apo th stigmh poy ejerragh h pyrkagia, yphrje h prwth rich neroy apo elikoptero. Ayth th stigmh epixeiroyn ekei epta aeroskafh kai tria elikoptera kai fysika, polles epigeies dynameis. Kataballetai kaqe dynath prospaqeia, etsi wste na mhn antimetwpisoyme fainomena poy antimetwpisame to persino kalokairi. H kalokairinh sezon einai mprosta mas. Efistoyme thn prosoxh se oloys toys polites kai fysika stis armodies yphresies -oi armodies yphresies den xreiazontai ayth thn protroph, giati exoyn deijei aytoqysia- na prostateysoyme, me kaqe dynato tropo, to dasos.

XIWTHS: Epeidh aytos o ariqmos twn pyrkagiwn poy anaferate, kyrie Ypoyrge, einai pragmati yperbolikos...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai megalos, oxi yperbolikos, den einai. Einai h alhqeia.

XIWTHS: Nai, ayto ennow, einai megalos. Exete katalhjei se kapoio symperasma, an ta aitia olwn aytwn twn pyrkagiwn einai tyxaia, ofeilontai se tyxaia gegonota h an yparxei kapoia prospaqeia emprhsmoy, yparxoyn alloy eidoys kinhtra pisw apo to jespasma olwn aytwn twn pyrkagiwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa analwqw, opws den to ekana pote, se eikasies. Otan yphrxan stoixeia, kai perysi sth diarkeia toy kalokairioy eixa milhsei. Fetos, gnwrizete poly kala, anaferqhke hdh o k. Kakalhs se mia-dyo pyrkagies sto lekanopedio Attikhs, oti exoyn ginei kai kapoies syllhceis. Kai perysi eixame syllhceis. Eixan anakoinwqei oles apo thn Pyrosbestikh Yphresia. Kaqe pyrkagia ejetazetai apo to armodio tmhma ejixniashs ths Pyrosbestikhs Yphresias. Otidhpote prokyptei ws stoixeio didetai sth dhmosiothta apo thn Pyrosbestikh Yphresia. Den qelw na kanw kapoioy alloy eidoys eikasia.

XIWTHS: Den qelw na kanete eikasia. Ayto rwtw. Mhpws apo thn Pyrosbestikh, gnwrizete, an apo tis peripoy 1.000 pyrkagies poy exoyn jespasei apo tis arxes Ioynioy, an den apatwmai, yparxei enas shmantikos ariqmos poy ofeiletai se proqesh, h oles ofeilontai se ameleia h se tyxaia peristatika.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw qelw na sas pw oti fetos, kalytera apo perysi, yparxei ena pio organwmeno systhma enhmerwshs ths koinhs gnwmhs, mesw twn dhmosiografwn. O ekproswpos Typoy ths Pyrosbestikhs brisketai synexws sth qesh toy kai didei stoixeia stoys dhmosiografoys poy kalyptoyn to antistoixo reportaz, polles fores kai me sms h fax h e-mail, einai ekei parwn kai dinei o,ti stoixeia exei sth diaqesh toy, apo thn ekrhjh ths pyrkagias, ta mesa poy epixeiroyn kai ta apotelesmata ayths ths prospaqeias, kaqws epishs kai tyxon syllhceis, opoy exoyn yparjei. Den exw kati perissotero na pw.

MELISSOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, apo tis syllhceis poy eginan perysi, ti symperasmata bghkan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth th stigmh, den exw proxeiro symperasma na sas dwsw. Gia na eimai apenanti sas entajei, qa prepei na apeyqynqw sthn Pyrosbestikh Yphresia kai na sas dwsw ayrio ta stoixeia.

MELISSOPOYLOS: Qa mporoysate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws.

KAKALHS: Kaqe fora, kaqe xrono mallon, einai h gnwsth eikona. H kybernhsh kalyptetai pisw apo thn kinhtopoihsh toy mhxanismoy, thn hrwikh pragmatika kai gemath aytaparnhsh, doyleia twn pyrosbestwn, alla ayto exei, mallon, poly mikrh shmasia se sxesh me thn profylajh twn daswn giati otan jespasoyn oi pyrkagies einai arga. Gia paradeigma, sth Skyro den yphrxe oyte enas dasofylakas. H kybernhsh dhladh, den exei kanei proslhceis gia na prostateysei ta dash. Ayto einai to zhtoymeno. H prolhptikh drash gia thn prostasia twn daswn. Gia ayto h kybernhsh den dinei xrhmata. Giati den antexei profanws o proypologismos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas qymizw oti me antistoixh erwthsh -den qymamai an thn eixate kanei eseis h oxi- hrqa edw sto press room thn epomenh hmera ths erwthsews kai edwsa mia seira apo stoixeia gia ta oikonomika, ta xrhmata ta opoia exoyn diateqei se oles tis perioxes ths xwras gia thn prospaqeia pyrosbeshs, gia thn prolhch panw ap` ola. Exete apolyto dikio oti h prolhch einai to shmantikotero stoixeio. Kai apo th drash, sth synexeia, politwn kai fysika mhxanismwn ths Politeias h prolhch einai shmantikoterh apo oles. Exoyme hdh anakoinwsei ola ekeina ta stoixeia ta opoia odhgoyn sto symperasma oti arketa xrhmata, polla xrhmata exoyn diateqei -pote den einai arketa kai gia tetoies periptwseis, eidika poy aforoyn to periballon- stoys dhmoys, stis koinothtes, stis nomarxies, stis perifereies, prokeimenoy na lhfqoyn egkairws ola ta metra gia thn prolhch twn pyrkagiwn. H ypoqesh pyrkagies, opws gnwrizoyme, einai mia ypoqesh poy plhttei oxi mono th xwra mas, alla polles alles xwres, mesogeiakes kai mh. Ayto den apotelei kanenos eidoys aitiologia h dikaiologia. Antimetwpizoyme me ton kalytero dynato tropo to qema. Gnwrizete poly kala, apo ta stoixeia poy sas edwsa perysi -dystyxws htan mia dysaresth periodos gia th xwra panw apo ola kai gia oloys toys ypoloipoys- oti h xwra mas exei ta perissotera, analogika me ton plhqysmo kai tis ektaseis ths, mesa pyrosbeshs poy diaqetei kaqe allh eyrwpaikh xwra.

MELISSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na epimeinw sthn erwthsh toy k. Xiwth. H koinh gnwmh den exei labei peistikh apanthsh, kata thn ektimhsh moy, anaforika me to ti egine perysi stis pyrkagies. O ariqmos htan yperbolika megalos, pera apo ta qymata poy eixe. Fetos blepoyme na epanalambanetai oxi ston baqmo poy htan perysi. Ara, blepoyme na epanalambanetai epishs to fainomeno me epishs analogika poly megalo ariqmo gia thn ektash twn daswn poy exoyme. Mporei h koinh gnwmh fetos na eyelpistei oti qa parei mia peistikh apanthsh gia poio logo ginontai ola ayta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa prosqesw tipota perissotero se ayto. Qa symplhrwsw mono me aformh kai thn erwthsh poy ekane prohgoymenws o k. Kakalhs, oti gia paradeigma, gia th Skyro poy ekane eidikh anafora, yphrjan amesws odhgies, estalhsan poly grhgora mes sth nyxta erpystriofora kai alla mesa ths jhras gia na mporesoyn na antimetwpisoyn thn pyrkagia oloklhrh th nyxta ergazomenoi me aytoqysia, opws ki eseis exete anaferei polles fores sta dhmosieymata sas, oi anqrwpoi poy einai tagmenoi gi` ayth thn yphresia.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei diaxyth anhsyxia gia th dieqnh oikonomikh katastash. Apotypwnetai kai stis shmerines ellhnikes efhmerides. Ti leei h kybernhsh gia to fainomeno ayto kai poso prepei na anhsyxei o Ellhnas poliths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi anafores oi opoies kanete einai akribeis. Exei milhsei polles fores o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Sas qymizw thn teleytaia fora, meta apo synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn proteleytaia meta to ECOFIN to opoio elabe xwra prin apo dyo ebdomades stis Bryjeles. H dieqnhs oikonomikh sygkyria einai apo tis xeiroteres poy exoyme antimetwpisei tis teleytaies dekaeties. Den einai mono h ayjhsh ths timhs toy petrelaioy poy gnwrizete poly kala oti exei paijei ena poly shmantiko rolo se ayto. Einai kai h ayjhsh ths timhs proiontwn, trofimwn. Idiws sta sithra exoyme mia tromerh, terastia ayjhsh kai oi aities kai ekei einai gnwstes, exoyn anaferqei kai apo mena sto parelqon. Milame dhladh, gia nees agores poy anoijan se xwres opws h India kai h Kina. Milame gia mia oikonomikh sygkyria poy plhttei kai th xwra mas. Emeis prospaqoyme na kinhqoyme sto plaisio, ayto to opoio exoyme xarajei strathgika, me eyelijia, bebaiws, gia ta osa symbainoyn kai h eyelijia exei na kanei kai me thn koinwnikh politikh thn opoia exoyme anakoinwsei oti qa yparjei ston tomea ayto -dhladh se qemata politwn oi opoioi exoyn poly xamhla eisodhmata- enisxysh toys apo to Tameio poy exei ginei eidika gi` ayto to skopo. H prospaqeia ginetai kai stis agores kai me toys elegxoys poy exoyme kata kairoys, opws gnwrizete, anakoinwsei. Den einai mia eyxaristh periodos gia kanenan. Einai mia poly dyskolh periodos. Mia periodos thn opoia me prosoxh proseggizei h kybernhsh, me strathgikh kai stoxo, se synergasia panta me tis ypoloipes xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, kaqoson opws orqws epishmanate den einai mono ena ellhniko fainomeno.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, akoysa xqes ta osa eipate gia thn Hleia kai gia to ti exei kanei h Politeia gia toys agrotes. Parola ayta diabazw kai shmera dhmosieymata oti den exoyn thn idia aisqhsh symparastashs oi mikromesaioi kai oi anergoi ths perioxhs kai gia ton logo ayto proetoimazoyn kapoioy eidoys kinhtopoihseis gia thn Paraskeyh poy qa milhsei o Prwqypoyrgos sth giorth ths ONNED. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw prwton, ean yparxei kati neotero ws pros to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ean qa exei kapoies epafes ekei me topikoys foreis telikws h oxi. Deyteron, an qewreite dikaiologhmenes h oxi tis diamartyries twn ekproswpwn toy emporikoy kosmoy ths perioxhs kai twn anergwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to programma apanthsa xqes. Se o,ti afora ta ypoloipa sas qymizw oti opoy yphrje dysaresto apotelesma, ennoeitai apo tis pyrkagies perysi alla kai apo toys prosfatoys seismoys, h Politeia kinhqhke me poly grhgoro tropo. Edwse tis prwtes bohqeies, opws akribws eixan doqei kai perysi sthn periodo twn pyrkagiwn, kai fetos stoys seismoys. Den yparxei kati perissotero to opoio qa mporoyse na ginei. Antilambanomai oti yparxoyn perioxes oi opoies qa hqelan na entaxqoyn sthn pronoia mias seismoplhkths perioxhs. Entassontai perioxes oi opoies pragmatika exoyn plhgei apo toys seismoys.

KAKALHS: Gia thn Hleia. O Prwqypoyrgos eixe yposxeqei 6.000 qeseis ergasias mesw OAED. Se ayto to zhthma exete kapoia sygkekrimenh apanthsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora sygkekrimena thn Hleia, ayth th stigmh den exw na sas dwsw proxeirh apanthsh. Den eimai etoimos dhladh, na sas dwsw apanthsh. Ekeino poy exw na sas pw pantws einai oti h politikh katapolemhsh ths anergias einai mia politikh poy apodidei karpoys, oxi sto megalytero pososto poy qa qelame, alla pantws se ena para poly kalo pososto mexri stigmhs. Sas qymizw oti molis proxqes anakoinwqhke oti h anergia to prwto tetramhno toy 2008 meiwqhke sto 7,7%. Meiwsh sto 7,7% h xwra eixe na dei edw kai para polla xronia.

KAKALHS: Parolo poy o ryqmos anaptyjhs peftei. Ayto einai to paradojo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa anaferqw se ayto poy eseis onomasate ``paradojo''. Qa pw oti oi ryqmoi anaptyjhs se sxesh me thn ypoloiph Eyrwpaikh Enwsh einai se para poly ikanopoihtiko epipedo, idiws se mia dyskolh oikonomikh sygkyria kai qa shmeiwsw jana oti to 7,7% ths anergias einai ena pososto poy h xwra eixe na dei edw kai para polla xronia. Sas qymizw oti paralabame thn anergia prin apo 4,5 xronia peripoy sto 12%.

XIWTHS: Eipate oti, se o,ti afora to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, milhsate xqes. Apo o,ti diabasa xqes se ayta poy eipate, eipate oti den exei akoma kaqoristei. Ara, den exei kaqoristei oyte shmera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kalyptete xronia to reportaz ths kybernhshs. Gnwrizete poly kala oti to grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy anakoinwnei to programma toy h thn prohgoymenh to apogeyma h liges wres prin episkefqei kapoio topo. Ejairesh apotelei, synhqws, h Dieqnhs Ekqesh Qessalonikhs, to programma ths opoias anakoinwnetai poly nwritera.

XIWTHS: Epeidh exei dhmioyrghqei o qorybos poy exei dhmioyrghqei, diabazw oti oi katasthmatarxes apofasisan na kleisoyn ta katasthmata toys, thn Paraskeyh to apogeyma, ws endeijh diamartyrias, epeidh kanenas foreas ths perioxhs den qa dei ton Prwqypoyrgo. An prokeitai na ton dei, giati den to lete gia na mhn yparjoyn oi kinhtopoihseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Shmeiwnw jana oti to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy anakoinwnetai pantote me ton idio tropo, den exei yparjei kapoia ejairesh. Ejairesh yparxei se dhmosieymata ta opoia grafhkan aytes tis hmeres poy, jexnwntas akribws ayto to programma kai to typiko -as to pw etsi- ths ypoqeshs programmatos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, shmeiwnan pragmata poy den exoyn sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

XIWTHS: Moy epitrepete; Syggnwmh poy sas diakoptw, alla oi dhmosiografoi kanoyn kai reportaz. Den perimenoyn tis anakoinwseis toy grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Se o,ti afora diko moy dhmosieyma, milhsa me toys foreis ths perioxhs, milhsa kai me ton kommatiko mhxanismo toy kybernwntos kommatos kai moy eipan oti den einai programmatismenh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den oloklhrwsa to deytero skelos ths apanthshs moy. Se o,ti afora to prwto pantws, isxyei. Gnwrizete poly kala pws exei to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, pws anakoinwnetai to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ayto einai to ena. Oson afora to deytero, oydepote arnhqhke kapoios apo toys ypoyrgoys na synanthqei me opoiondhpote forea eite ths perioxhs ths Hleias h allhs perioxhs ths xwras. Ta grafeia twn armodiwn ypoyrgwn gia ta qemata ths apokatastashs apo tis plhges, toso ths pyrkagias, oso kai toy seismoy, htan, einai kai qa einai anoikta.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite pote qa stalei h apanthtikh epistolh ston k. Gkroyefski kai an qa doqei sth dhmosiothta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw kati perissotero apo ayta poy hdh exw pei, me th grapth dhlwsh moy ths prwths hmeras.

FANIDHS: Me aformh thn ypoqesh COSMOTE- GERMANOS, alla kai sxetikes dhlwseis stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias, einai endeiktika na anaferw ton k. Manwlh kai ton k. Poypakh, epanhlqan kai pali sto proskhnio oi paxyles amoibes twn dioikhtwn stis DEKO. Egw hqela na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh sxediazei na parembei eidika se ekeinoys toys dioikhtes, oi opoioi molis analaboyn ta kaqhkonta toys, mia apo tis prwtes kinhseis poy kanoyn einai na diplasiazoyn toys hdh ychloys misqoys toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto einai enas genikos aforismos, o opoios den exei pragmatikh antapokrish akomh kai se periptwseis opoy yphrjan ayjhseis misqwn dioikhtwn organismwn. Qa prepei na sas qymisw oti miloyme gia organismoys me xiliades ergazomenoys, miloyme gia organismoys me megalh dhmosia parembash, miloyme gia organismoys oi opoioi exoyn ephreasei thn oikonomia kai ephreazoyn thn oikonomia ths xwras se ena megalo baqmo. Kai en pash periptwsei, qa epanalabw kati to opoio eixa pei me aformh antistoixh erwthsh prin apo polla xronia. Hmastan akoma sto press room sth Zalokwsta, otan eixa erwthqei gia prwth fora gia tetoio qema kai eixa pei oti, efoson qeloyme na katasthsoyme tis dhmosies epixeirhseis ygieis kai antagwnistikes, se ena periballon to opoio oi perissoteres pia leitoyrgoyn me antagwnistes idiwtes, qa prepei na dexqoyme oti kai se dioikhtiko epipedo qa prepei na kinhqei h logikh twn misqwn, analogws opws ginetai kai stis idiwtikes epixeirhseis. Ayth einai mia apoch thn opoia exw ekfrasei kai sto parelqon. Bebaiws, den mporei na einai oi misqoi oi opoioi didontai ston idiwtiko tomea. Alla, pantws den mporei apo thn allh pleyra na perimenoyme ikana stelexh -entima to qewrw oti einai proypoqesh, oytws h allws, gia na analabei kapoios dhmosia qesh- na analaboyn qeseis se megaloys organismoys aytoy toy eyroys kai ayths ths epirrohs sthn oikonomia ths xwras, xwris na toys apodidei ena analogo poso me ayto to opoio qa apolambanan ws managers, an ergazontan se antistoixes epixeirhseis toy idiwtikoy tomea. Ayto mporeite na to katanohsete poly kala, me paradeigmata poy mporeite na ferete sto noy sas, giati -opws eipa kai pali- exoyme epixeirhseis toy Dhmosioy, oi opoies exoyn pleon megalo antagwnismo, apo epixeirhseis toy idiwtikoy tomea.

KAKALHS: O k. Boyrloymhs kai o k. Aqanasopoylos exoyn syndesei thn paragwgikothta kai thn apodotikothta toys me toys misqoys poy pairnoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai safes ayto to opoio lew. Den xreiazetai dieykrinish.

KAKALHS: Qelw na sas rwthsw kai kati allo. Me th DEH, mporeite na mas peite ti ginetai; Giati, diabazoyme shmera oti epanejetazetai h symbash me th Siemens. H symbash poy eixate yperaspistei prin apo merikes hmeres, giati an den proxwroyse qa xanontan xrhmata apo to G` K.P.S. kai qa kaqysteroyse to ergo. Shmera, diabasa oti to D.S. ths DEH xqes epanejetazei th symbash. Mporeite na mas peite ti akribws ginetai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws se ola ta qemata poy aforoyn ejeidikeymenes yphresies toy dhmosioy tomea kai oxi genikes politikes, sas qymizw oti metaferw thn apoch twn yphresiwn aytwn, efoson moy zhthqei sto press room, kata parabash synhqws, giati h apanthsh toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy ofeilei na kalyptei tis genikes politikes ths kybernhshs. Den exw, loipon, na prosqesw tipote perissotero se ayta ta opoia sas anegnwsa prin apo liges hmeres, apantwntas sas me stoixeia poy edoqhsan sth dhmosiothta apo to D.S. ths DEH.

KAKALHS: Sas qymizw oti einai akoma ston kratiko tomea, opote einai qema politiko. Diko sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws. H genikh politikh gia th DEH einai gnwsth.

TSIOYFOS: Symmerizeste thn anhsyxia poy ekfrazoyn kaqhmerina boyleytes toy kommatos sas, oi opoioi me th seira toys metaferoyn mia antistoixh anhsyxia, agwnia ths bashs ths Neas Dhmokratias, meta tis teleytaies ejelijeis, dhladh kyriws meta to qema ths Siemens kai to qema toy GERMANOY; Oloi lene oti yparxei mia entonh anhsyxia sthn kommatikh bash. Th symmerizeste ayth;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti eidoys anhsyxia;

TSIOYFOS: Gia thn poreia ths politikhs katastashs, gia thn poreia ths idias ths Neas Dhmokratias, gia thn poreia ths kybernhshs. Ekfrazetai mia anhsyxia. Th blepete. Nomizw oti diabazete kai eseis kaqhmerina stis synenteyjeis poy dinoyn boyleytes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai alhqeia oti bebaiws kai diabazw kai akoyw tis apoceis oi opoies anaferontai sta qemata poy eipate. Sas qymizw, omws, oti prwta apo ola antistoixes topoqethseis exoyn ginei kai apo emena ws Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo stis synedriaseis ths Boylhs h se dhmosies dhlwseis toy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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