Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-07-15

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 15 Ioylioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 148401699

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 15 Ioylioy 2008

Xairete.

Prin apo ligo oloklhrwqhke h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Paideias. O k. Stylianidhs exei hdh probei se dhlwseis, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy kai exei apanthsei se sxetika erwthmata.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Syzhthsate to qema twn Skopiwn kai yphrje enhmerwsh apo thn k. Mpakogiannh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai yphrje analytikh enhmerwsh apo thn k. Mpakogiannh sthn arxh ths synedriashs.

KALARITHS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa apanthsei me epistolh h ejetazetai kapoia allh troph antidrashs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei ayto to opoio exw gracei sth xqesinh moy dhlwsh.

KALARITHS: Ejetazontai kapoioi alloi tropoi antidrashs peran ths epistolhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, ayto poy sas eipa sth dhlwsh moy.

TERZHS: Me dedomeno oti to zhthma ths onomasias twn Skopiwn h Ellada to syzhta sto plaisio toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn, ejetazetai apo thn kybernhsh h koinopoihsh ths opoias apanthshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros ton k. Gkroyefski, na yparjei koinopoihsh pros to Geniko Grammatea twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn h akomh kai na yparjei epistolh, enhmerwsh toy OHE gia tis ejelijeis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai bebaio oti qa yparjei enhmerwsh, oti yparxei diarkhs enhmerwsh toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn gia opoiadhpote ejelijh kai fysika kai gi` ayto to qema.

KORAH: Prin apo ligo, o politikos Ekproswpos Ejwterikwn toy PASOK k. Loberdos, proteine o Prwqypoyrgos na mhn apanthsei sthn epistolh Gkroyefski kai na antidrasei h ellhnikh kybernhsh mesw toy OHE. Ena sxolio sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Afhnontas anapanthth mia tetoia proklhsh, oysiastika afhnoyme anapanthta erwthmata enanti ths Istorias. Kai pisteyw oti exoyme isxyra epixeirhmata gia na apanthsoyme kai gia to paron kai gia to istoriko parelqon.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti den prepei na menoyn anapanthta ayta ta erwthmata. Wstoso, den tiqentai gia prwth fora. Na sas qymisw oti o anaplhrwths Yfypoyrgos Ejwterikwn twn HPA k. Ntaniel Frint, to eixe qesei, prin apo dyo mhnes eixe milhsei dhladh gia ``makedonikh'' glwssa kai eqnothta, alla h kybernhsh tote den apanthse. Eipe oti oi dhlwseis peri yparjhs ``makedonikhs'' eqnothtas kai glwssas einai asxetes me tis diapragmateyseis. Wstoso blepoyme oti erxontai  na to pw- san diapragmateytikh atzenta. Giati den apanthsate tote kai apantate twra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, yparxei pantote apanthsh kai yparxei apanthsh etsi opws prepei kai ekei poy prepei. Deyteron, na gnwrizete oti sth diapragmateysh ola ekeina ta stoixeia ta opoia mporei kai prepei na xrhsimopoihqoyn apo thn ellhnikh pleyra, xrhsimopoioyntai kai qa synexisoyn na xrhsimopoioyntai. Ena akomh stoixeio einai ayth h epistolh-proklhsh.

KAKALHS: Epi ths oysias, omws, den exete apanthsei sta epixeirhmata ayta poy lete oti yparxoyn, den ta exete anaferei san kybernhsh, giati den yparxei ayth h ``meionothta'', oyte istorika, oyte politika, oyte nomika, den gnwrizw pws alliws qa to tekmhriwsete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa epitrecete sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh na xeiristei to qema me th sobarothta, to sebasmo, alla kai th meqodo poy xreiazetai se tetoies periptwseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa jekaqarisei ayth th fora oti den yparxei ``makedonikh'' eqnothta kai ``makedonikh'' glwssa; Ayto einai to erwthma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean xreiazetai na to pw kai egw twra, fysika kai qa to epanalambana. Alla, ekeino to opoio exei poly megalh shmasia, einai o tropos kai ta mesa kai fysika o xwros ton opoio ekfrazei kapoios tis apoceis toy h apanta sta zhthmata poy egeirontai. Hgerqhsan kapoia zhthmata apo ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Prwhn Gioygkoslabikhs Dhmokratias twn Skopiwn. Qa apanthqoyn. Parallhlws, ayta syzhtoyntai, ginetai enhmerwsh, sto plaisio toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn.

BLABIANOS: An den kanw laqos kyrie Ypoyrge, gia xronia twra, apo tis arxes ths dekaetias toy  90 oi ekqeseis anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn poy ekdidei kaqe xrono to Steit Ntipartment, to anaferoyn ayto. Exoyme apanthsei katallhlws se aytes tis ekqeseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kata kairoys, opote xreiasthke kai opoy xreiasthke, exoyme apanthsei.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, thn epistolh toy k. Gkroyefski thn phrate thn Paraskeyh. Giati dhmosiopoihqhke th Deytera; Epeidh htan to Sabbatokyriako;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa rwthsete ton ekproswpo toy k. Gkroyefski. Eseis kalyptete xronia diplwmatiko reportaz, gnwrizete oti sta diplwmatika qesmia isxyei to oti dhmosiopoiei thn epistolh aytos o opoios thn apostellei, efoson to epiqymei.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: An den th dhmosiopoioyse, den qa th dhmosiopoioysate eseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. De qa th dhmosiopoioysame emeis. Emeis qa stelname aplws thn apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh den exei eyqynh th stigmh poy oi Hnwmenes Politeies dieqnopoioysan tis alytrwtikes, eqnikistikes diakhryjeis ths geitonikhs xwras, den apantoyse epi ths oysias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporeite na gnwrizete poies einai oi syzhthseis oi opoies exoyn ginei se baqos xronoy, se baqos qematwn. Gia ekeino to opoio sas kalw, na eiste bebaios kai eseis kai oloi oi ypoloipoi, einai oti h kybernhsh exei apolyth gnwsh kai mporei na yperaspistei me isxyra epixeirhmata, enanti olwn twn ypoloipwn, to istoriko ths dikaio, toso toy parelqontos, oso kai toy parontos.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla oi diapragmateyseis den ginontai erhmhn kai en onomati toy ellhnikoy laoy. Toylaxiston dikaioytai o ellhnikos laos na jerei pws diapragmateyeste.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete kapoio laqos edw. Den ginontai pote erhmhn toy ellhnikoy laoy, ginontai en onomati toy ellhnikoy laoy kai oxi erhmhn toy ellhnikoy laoy kai ginontai apo thn ypeyqynh kybernhsh. Ean eseis proteinete ena dhmosio tropo diapragmateyshs, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti istorika, opote egine, aytos htan o pleon apotyxhmenos tropos.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sas apasxolei to gegonos oti polites apo thn moysoylmanikh meionothta exoyn jekinhsei kai prosfeygoyn sta dikasthria kai qetoyn qema perioysiwn; Twra oi Skopianoi qetoyn qema perioysiwn. Kai yparxoyn plhrofories oti kai oi Tsamhdes ths Albanias qetoyn epishs tetoio qema. Pisteyete, dhladh, oti mporei na yparxei kapoio sxedio; Sas exei apasxolhsei; Pws to blepete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqe qema mas apasxolei. Ekeino to opoio qelw na shmeiwsete einai oti h ellhnikh Politeia, h xwra mas, anhkei sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh edw kai para polla xronia. Einai mia palaia xwra ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, exei entajei sto eswteriko ths Dikaio to koinotiko Dikaio. Den exei na fobhqei tipote apolytws apo kanenan se qemata sta opoia gnwrizei oti exei apolyto dikio.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mia kybernhsh diapragmateyetai me ton tropo poy nomizei ekeinh. Wstoso, to plaisio twn arxwn ths den mporei na mhn einai dhmosio kai gnwsto tois pasi. Apo tis apanthseis ths kybernhshs dhmioyrgeitai h entypwsh oti ta qemata ths eqnothtas h ths glwssas poy diekdikoyn oi Skopianoi einai sto trapezi ths diapragmateyshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas parapemcw sth deyterh paragrafo ths xqesinhs moy dhlwshs kai gia na mhn thn caxnete sas lew oti shmeiwna pws, h epistolh ayth prostiqetai se seira aparadektwn, ws pros to yfos kai to periexomeno toys, dhlwsewn diaforwn ajiwmatoyxwn twn Skopiwn. Se kaqe periptwsh exei yparjei apanthsh, synhqws dhmosia. Se kaqe periptwsh, h ellhnikh kybernhsh prostateyei ta symferonta ths ellhnikhs Politeias.

KORAH: Shmera, h ELEYQEROTYPIA paroysiazei ena eggrafo ths yphresias eswterikwn elegxwn toy OTE, to opoio epishmainei to gegonos oti oi promhqeytes toy OTE, SIEMENS, INTRACOM, ERICSSON, ANKO mporoyn na kanoyn ypoklopes kai alles kakoboyles energeies otan parembainoyn sto logismiko toy organismoy. Mhpws akribws se ayta ta kena mporei na anazhthqei kai h apanthsh twn ypoklopwn twn opoiwn eixe pesei qyma kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Profanws, den exete diabasei oloklhrh thn ekqesh. Alla, qa sas synistoysa na diabasete oloklhrh thn anakoinwsh, thn opoia ejedwse prin apo ligh wra o OTE.

KORAH: Thn exw mprosta moy kai exw dyo parathrhseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oses qelete mporeite na exete. Diabaste thn, omws, prwta.

KORAH: Th diabasa kai exei mia shmantikh antifash, kyrie Ekproswpe. Apo th mia, leei oti kata ton elegxo poy dienerghqhke, sto systhma texnikhs yposthrijhs twn egkatastasewn, diapistwqhke h yparjh ikanopoihtikoy plaisioy diaxeirishs kai sthn proteleytaia toy paragrafo anaferei oti o OTE prin thn ekqesh toy eswterikoy elegxoy eixe apofasisei kai jekinhsei na ylopoiei nea ypodomh poy prosferei beltiwmenes dynatothtes elegxoy. H eixe problhma h den eixe o OTE.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas synistoysa na diabasete oloklhrh thn anakoinwsh. Amesws meta thn prwth paragrafo sthn opoia anaferqhkate, yparxei akoma mia paragrafos poy leei: To eggrafo toy eswterikoy elegxoy toy OTE sto opoio to arqro basizetai, katatassei to qema sthn xamhloterh baqmida ajiologhshs kindynoy, kindynos 3 poy, opws anaferetai kai sto eggrafo, afora se xamhlo kindyno. Ayto einai mia poly shmantikh parathrhsh. Ena deytero shmeio sthn paragrafo sthn opoia anaferqhkate, einai pws oloi gnwrizoyme oti h texnologia kanei almata. Ofeilei kapoios, loipon, prokeimenoy na prostateyei tetoioy eidoys zhthmata, tetoioy eidoys dikaiwmata, na orizei to topio me bash opws ayto allazei sthn texnologia. Dhladh, na beltiwnei diarkws, kanontas kai aytos ston elegxo toy ta almata ta opoia epiballontai apo thn texnologikh allagh.

KAKALHS: Alhqeyei oti telika o Prwqypoyrgos den qa synanthqei me toys pyroplhktoys kata th diarkeia ths episkechs toy sthn Hleia thn erxomenh Paraskeyh; Giati panta o Prwqypoyrgos elege oti hqele na blepei toys anqrwpoys sta matia, gia na toys leei ti exei ginei, se sxesh me tis yposxeseis poy eixe dwsei. Ayth th fora den qa to kanei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi desmeyseis oi opoies exoyn doqei, exoyn thrhqei se ena poly megalo pososto kai synexizoyn na throyntai. Dystyxws, den qymamai na eida kapoion apo esas thn perasmenh ebdomada sth diplanh aiqoysa, wste na exei thn eykairia, apo prwto xeri, na diapistwsei ti akribws exei symbei stis pyroplhktes perioxes, toylaxiston ws pros ena poly shmantiko tomea, poy einai o tomeas ths gewrgias, ths kthnotrofias, ths agrotikhs kalliergeias. Ekei opoy ena disekatommyrio eyrw diatiqentai, prokeimenoy na yparxei oxi aplws apokatastash, alla akomh kalyterh katastash apo thn prohgoymenh.

KAKALHS: To qema den einai na diapistwsoyme emeis ti exei ginei, alla oi idioi oi pyroplhktoi, oi opoioi lene oti den exei doqei oyte ena eyrw gia thn apokatastash ths fytikhs kai ths zwikhs paragwghs. Ayto einai to qema kai o Prwqypoyrgos stis 22 Septembrh toy perasmenoy xronoy, sth Zaxarw, elege oti ``einai eqnikh anagkh kai ws tetoia thn antimetwpizw, na meinoyn oi anqrwpoi ths perifereias ston topo toys''. Hdh, exoyn arxisei na feygoyn oi neoi. Se ayta, ti qa apanthsei o Prwqypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas apanthsw egw, eyqys amesws: Ean epideiknyate to idio endiaferon me ayto poy epideiknyei h erwthsh sas shmera, qa hsastan sth diplanh aiqoysa -giati einai akribws pente metra dipla- thn prohgoymenh ebdomada kai qa diapistwnate oti ektos twn dhmosiografwn, paristanto kai oloi oi ekproswpoi twn topikwn koinwniwn. Dhladh, nomarxes, eklegmenoi me th shmaia toy PASOK kai oxi ths Neas Dhmokratias, dhmarxoi, eklegmenoi epishs me th shmaia toy PASOK kai oxi ths Neas Dhmokratias, oi opoioi oxi mono den antedrasan h den eferan kapoioy eidoys kritikh fwnh sthn aiqoysa, alla synainesan ws pros to ti exei ginei sthn apokatastash twn zhmiwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, den einai h doyleia mas na parakoloyqoyme tis hmerides poy ginontai (den akoygetai)

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hmoyn o teleytaios poy qa sas ypodeiknye th doyleia sas. Epitrecte moy na xrhsimopoiw sto logo moy ta epixeirhmata ayta poy qewrw xrhsima.

GKOYTZANHS: Xrhsimopoihsate san epixeirhma oti den hmastan emeis proswpika se mia...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, nomizw oti o k. Kakalhs den exei anagkh kanenos synhgoroy. Deyteron...

GKOYTZANHS: Fantazomai oti den htan mono gia ton k. Kakalh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai kaneis allos, oxi mono o k. Kakalhs. Deyteron -epanalambanw- otan erwtwmai gia qemata ta opoia molis prin apo liges hmeres apanthqhkan me katalytiko kai analytiko tropo sth diplanh akribws aiqoysa, den xreiazetai egw na epanalabw tipote perissotero.

KAKALHS: Den qa ta pei o Prwqypoyrgos stoys idioys toys pyroplhktoys; Qa synanthqei me pyroplhktoys; Den moy apanthsate.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Mhpws mporeite na mas peite to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Poioys qa dei, gnwrizoyme;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa anakoinwqei apo to grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy, opws anakoinwnetai kaqe fora me thn idia akribws logikh.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos proeklogika synhqize na phgainei bolta me ta trena toy OSE. Ayth th fora, exei kairo na to kanei. Mhpws prokeitai na to kanei ayto to diasthma, na dei ton ektroxiasmo kai th dialysh toy OSE;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Profanws tote kalyptate kybernhtiko reportaz kai oxi reportaz ths Neas Dhmokratias poy htan ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh. Kapoioi ej ymwn, poy htan se ekeino to treno, qymoyntai poly kala ekeinh th diadromh. Qa sas qymisw, loipon, egw  kai nomizw oti h emprosqen kaqhmenh sas synadelfos sas k. Korah mporei na sas dwsei perissoteres leptomereies- oti to tajidi ayto egine apo thn Aqhna sth Qessalonikh sthn periodo ths xionoqyellas kai epeidh den yphrxe kanenos alloy eidoys meso. To tajidi ayto akoloyqhsan dhmosiografoi, oi opoioi kategracan thn katastash poy parakoloyqhsan se ekeino to syrmo toy OSE, Aqhnwn-Qessalonikhs. Shmeiwnw oti o Organismos Sidhrodromwn Ellados einai enas apo toys pleon problhmatikoys Organismoys ths xwras. Einai pleon problhmatikos Organismos ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias. Ginetai yperprospaqeia, prokeimenoy na allajoyn ta systhmata, na pame sthn hlektrokinhsh. Eixa thn eykairia thn perasmenh ebdomada na sas dwsw polla stoixeia gi` ayto kai h yperprospaqeia ayth brisketai se ena poly kalo dromo.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti proeklogika, prin to 2004, o Prwqypoyrgos eixe kanei kai allo ``tajidi'', giati htan poly syntomo, nomizw oti htan mexri to staqmo twn Afidnwn h ligo pio katw. Epeidh anaferqhkate se ayto poy ekane sth Qessalonikh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai eixe shmeiwsei ta problhmata toy OSE.

GKOYTZANHS: Orismenoi ej ymwn poy eimaste palioi kai kalyptame kai thn antipoliteysh, qymoymaste oles tis periodeies toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei, loipon, akribws to idio kai gia ekeinh thn periptwsh. Sas qymizw oti eixe kanei dhlwseis sxetika me thn anabaqmish poy xreiazetai to diktyo ayto, anabaqmish thn opoia blepete -an parakoloyqhsete ligo ta zhthmata toy OSE ws pros thn hlektrokinhsh, thn taxythta twn trenwn- oxi mono sta sxedia kai ta xartia, alla sthn prajh.

KAKALHS: Eikosi tria atyxhmata eginan ta dyo teleytaia xronia, k. Ekproswpe. Ti anabaqmish mas lete gia to diktyo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai alhqeia oti eginan polla atyxhmata. Einai alhqeia ayto poy lete.

KAKALHS: Akribws, ypodhlwnei th dialysh toy diktyoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fantasteite, loipon, na mhn eixe ginei kaqoloy h anabaqmish poy ginetai kai na eixame afhsei ta pragmata opws ta paralabame.

KORAH: Epomenws, k. Ekproswpe, me poia politikh logikh diathrhqhke sth qesh toy o tote ypeyqynos toy OSE k. Giannakos kai egine poly stenos synergaths kai toy ypoyrgoy Metaforwn kai ths dikhs sas kybernhshs, k. Liaph;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den proswpopoiw tis eyqynes se ena proswpo, ektos kai an apodeixqei to antiqeto.

Sas eyxaristw.

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