Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-07-17

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 17 Ioylioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 148749126

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 17 Ioylioy 2008

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KALARITHS: Exete to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia thn episkech sthn Hleia;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa sas eipe xqes o k. Roysopoylos. Otan yparjei kati, qa to plhroforhqeite.

KALARITHS: H epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros ton k. Gkroyefski qa stalei shmera; Gnwrizete;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kati neotero. Otan yparjei kati, qa to maqete.

MPOTSARAKOS: Exei enhmerwqei h kybernhsh gia tis topoqethseis toy k. Tatoylh, xqes to apogeyma; Exete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

KALARITHS: O k. Boyrloymhs paramenei sth qesh toy;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws. Eipame oti den exei allajei tipote.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, osoi Ypoyrgoi prokaloyn me thn proswpikh toys zwh, apo dw kai sto ejhs, qa apomakrynontai amesws apo thn kybernhsh; Rwtaw, giati xqes o Genikos Grammateas ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Leyterhs Zagoriths, esteile aysthro mhnyma pros ta stelexh ths kybernhshs kai toy kratikoy mhxanismoy.

ANTWNAROS: Den blepw egw tipote kainoyrgio se osa eipe o Grammateas toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias, k. Zagoriths. Ejalloy, opws jerete, den sxoliazw ta osa leei o Grammateas toy Kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias. Egw eimai ekproswpos ths kybernhshs.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Xqes, o k. Soyflias kai h k. Petralia apostasiopoihqhkan apo thn epilogh toy k. Boyrloymh. Shmera, o k. Alogoskoyfhs, milwntas sto SKAI, yperamynqhke ths epiloghs ayths kai ton yposthrije. Pws parakoloyqei h kybernhsh olh ayth thn palinwdia anamesa stoys Ypoyrgoys; Ton sthrizete h den ton sthrizete;

ANTWNAROS: Den blepw kamia apolytws palinwdia. Isxyoyn ola osa exoyme pei kai oi dhlwseis stis opoies anaferqhkate, anaferontai akribws se ayta poy exoyme pei.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy: O k. Alogoskoyfhs eipe oti o k. Boyrloymhs einai poly kalos manatzer, timios kai ikanos. Ayto den einai mia emmesh parembash sth Dikaiosynh, safhs kai aprosxhmatisth, kata th gnwmh moy, h opoia exei hdh askhsei pente diwjeis se baros ths Dioikhshs toy OTE gia apistia klp;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas ypenqymisw ayto to opoio eipame kai thn epomenh ths askhsews twn diwjewn, dioti xrhsimopoihsate stoixeia ta opoia den exoyn sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. H askhsh diwjewn einai in rem. Oxi enantion proswpwn.

KAKALHS: Mesa anaferontai ta onomata, sygkekrimena.

ANTWNAROS: Ayta ta exoyme dieykrinisei kai exoyme pei akribws peri tinos prokeitai. Synepws, ermhneies oi opoies den exoyn sxesh me thn askhsh ths Dikaiosynhs, parapoioyn thn pragmatikothta kai paraplanoyn osoys akoyn ayta ta epixeirhmata. H pragmatikothta einai aplh. Exoyme pei, poly apla, oti h dikastikh ereyna brisketai se ejelijh kai qa diapistwsei ean, poios kai se poio baqmo ferei kapoia eyqynh. De sxoliazw se kanena shmeio, kamia dikastikh ereyna. Den to exei kanei o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos ap` ayth th qesh pote kai den prokeitai na to kanw oyte se ayth thn periptwsh.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, to ekane o k. Alogoskoyfhs omws. Otan askoyntai pente kakoyrghmatikes diwjeis, den mporei na einai sto keno, eginan sygkekrimenes prajeis. Den mporei na bgainei o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai na leei oti einai timios kai ikanos o k. Boyrloymhs, th stigmh poy einai se ejelijh ayth h dikastikh ereyna.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw, giati piqanon den exete gnwsh ths poinikhs dikonomias: Den exei askhqei kamia poinikh diwjh enantion kapoioy proswpoy.

TERZHS: H kybernhsh qa perimenei na proswpopoihqoyn oi diwjeis kai an proswpopoihqoyn etsi opws to syzhtane oi synadelfoi, tote qa labei metra h qa perimenei kai na telesidikhsoyn;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh perimenei thn ejelijh kai thn oloklhrwsh ths dikastikhs ereynas.

MPOTSARAKOS: Parola ayta, an moy epitrepete, mono o k. Alogoskoyfhs dhlwnei th sthrijh toy sto proswpo toy k. Boyrloymh. Giati, an ejairesoyme toys Ypoyrgoys poy exoyn topoqethqei kai eseis edw, tis prohgoymenes hmeres, akoyme monotona oti den exei allajei kati. Den exoyme akoysei, omws, mia dhlwsh safoys sthrijhs sto proswpo toy k. Boyrloymh.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipote perissotero apo osa exw pei.

KAKALHS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs, ejerxomenos apo to Megaro Majimoy, meta th synergasia me ton Prwqypoyrgo, eipe oti qa synexisoyme na kanoyme o,ti xreiazetai gia na sygkrathqoyn oi times. Wstoso, den eipe, bebaia, ti qa kanei h kybernhsh. Exei hdh kanei arketa me tis ayjhseis sta timologia ths DEH, stis astikes sygkoinwnies kai shmera maqame apo ton k. Soyflia oti qa yparjei ayjhsh sta timologia ths EYDAP. Etsi symmetexei h kybernhsh sth sygkrathsh twn timwn;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Soyflias ekane sygkekrimenh dhlwsh.

KAKALHS: Thn exw ypoch moy, proanhggeile gia ton Septembrh thn ayjhsh.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Soyflias eipe sygkekrimena pragmata. Sas diabazw. Erwtatai peri ayjhsewn sta timologia ths EYDAP kai apanta o k. Soyflias epi lejh: ``H ayjhsh qa einai h synhqismenh, ayto poy ginetai kaqe xrono. Den qa einai idiaitero metro gia thn antimetwpish ths leicydrias''. Synepws qa einai oi synhqeis ayjhseis.

KAKALHS: Xaratsi eprepe na eixame gia na eimaste eyxaristhmenoi;

ANTWNAROS: Jerete, ean mia epixeirhsh --sthn opoia metexei to Dhmosio h einai epixeirhsh dhmosioy symferontos-- paragei ena proion, opws einai to nero, me elleimmatiko tropo kai paragei elleimma, poios qa plhrwsei ayta ta elleimmata; Oloi oi Ellhnes katanalwtes. Eseis, oi synadelfoi sas, egw, oloi mazi. Synepws, h epixeirhsh prepei na frontizei wste sta oria ayta, ta synhqismena opws eipe o k. Soyflias, na prosarmozontai oi times. Ayto einai apolytws fysiko.

KAKALHS: Poios dhmioyrgei ta elleimmata gia na ta kalycei o ellhnikos laos; Ayto einai to qema. Ta dhmioyrgei o ellhnikos laos;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth th stigmh den exei kanena nohma na kanoyme ayth th syzhthsh. Einai gnwsto oti h kybernhsh lambanei sygkekrimena metra, ta opoia einai, en pollois, apotelesmatika --oxi toso apotelesmatika oso qa qelame oloi kai ayto einai apolytws fysiko-- prokeimenoy na antimetwpistei h akribeia h opoia yparxei kai sth xwra mas, opws yparxei kai stis alles eyrwpaikes xwres. Emas, edw, mas endiaferei na epikentrwsoyme tis prospaqeies mas se ekeinoys toys tomeis poy paroysiazoyn sto qema ths akribeias, ean qelete, mia ejarsh, idiaitera problhmata, prokeimenoy na meiwqoyn, na sympiestoyn oi arnhtikes synepeies aytoy toy plhqwrismoy, ths ayjhshs twn timwn gia ton meso Ellhna polith.

KAKALHS: Exete na deijete kati se ayto sygkekrimeno;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws. Qa moy epitrecete meta to briefing na sas steilw enan makry katalogo sygkekrimenwn stoixeiwn.

FANIDHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean telika exete enhmerwqei an to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias h to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn eyqynetai gia th mh ypografh ths ananeoymenhs kaqe xrono symbashs gia th metakinhsh twn AMEA me ta KTEL; Rwtaw giati o kybernhtikos boyleyths Giannhs Manwlhs, astrace kai bronthje kathgorwntas to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn gia adiaforia kai koinwnikh analghsia.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio, opws den kanw pote sxolia gia dhlwseis boyleytwn. Gia to sygkekrimeno qema, na enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sas problhmatizei h skandalwdhs diaxeirish poy apokalyptetai se dhmosies epixeirhseis; Anaferomai sto shmerino prwtoselido ths efhmeridas TA NEA poy apokalyptei oti mayra bagonia eixan fortwqei se syrmo toy OSE alla kai sthn ypoqesh poy apokalyfqhke pro hmerwn me mayra eisithria poy ekdidonto apo thn Olympiakh. Einai dyo dhmosies epixeirhseis poy epibarynoyn ypermetra ton kratiko proypologismo kai anarwtiemai an h kybernhsh qa labei metra enantion twn dioikhsewn twn dyo aytwn epixeirhsewn.

ANTWNAROS: Gia to qema toy OSE, ej oswn exw plhroforhqei, ekane, pro oligoy, dhlwseis o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Xatzhdakhs. Qa hqela omws genika na sas pw oti einai dedomenh h boylhsh kai h apofasistikothta ths kybernhshs na antimetwpisei me thn megalyterh dynath aysthrothta qemata diafaneias ston OSE. Kai prosqetw oxi mono ston OSE alla kai sthn Olympiakh. H topoqethsh mas ayth einai jekaqarh. Den prokeitai na yparjei kamia parekklish apo ayton ton kanona. H dioikhsh toy OSE exei apostolh na dioikei ton organismo me treis arxes: Asfaleia, diafaneia, oikonomikh ejygiansh.

XIWTHS: To triptyxo poy anaferate, apo o,ti prokyptei toylaxiston gia ton OSE, den ejyphreteitai se kanena apo ta skelh toy. Oyte diafaneia blepoyme, oyte ejygiansh blepoyme, oyte to trito poy den sygkrathsa, opws anaferate gia th sygkekrimenh ekfrash...

ANTWNAROS: Asfaleia, poy einai to prwto, den einai to trito.

XIWTHS: Nai. Den ta katatassw. Me ta atyxhmata poy symbainoyn tis teleytaies hmeres, oyte h proypoqesh ths asfaleias blepw na yparxei. Ayto poy sas erwtw einai, oi dioikhseis twn dyo aytwn epixeirhsewn qa parameinoyn sth qesh toys h qewreite oti ola ayta poy apokalyptontai einai logos gia na apomakrynqoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Oi dioikhseis kanoyn kaqe prospaqeia, h opoia epiballetai, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn ayta ta qemata poy sas paroysiasa. Na ypenqymisw oti molis prin liges hmeres o k. Roysopoylos eixe anaferqei diejodika sto qema toy OSE. Ta stoixeia ayta ejakoloyqoyn kai isxyoyn. Kai anaferqhke se polla qemata, eidika qemata toy OSE, sta opoia den qelw na epanelqw, giati einai ejeidikeymena kai eimai bebaios oti oi synadelfoi sas, oi opoioi kalyptoyn to sygkekrimeno tomea, ta gnwrizoyn eparkws.

TERZHS: Antilambaneste, wstoso, me thn apanthsh sas oti parexete kalych stis dyo dioikhseis kai ayto erxetai se mia seira antistoixwn topoqethsewn ths kybernhshs, se mia seira zhthmatwn opoy den yparxei epibolh opoiasdhpote ``kyrwshs'' pros tis epilegeises apo esas dioikhseis. Endexomenws, kapoios paraithqhke monos toy kai ayton den ton apopemcate eseis. Ayth einai h eikona.

ANTWNAROS: Den einai akribes ayto to opoio lete. Qa sas elega oti polla apo ta qemata, ta opoia apokalyptontai ws parabaseis ths arxhs ths diafaneias, ofeilontai akribws stoys ayjhmenoys elegxoys poy ginontai. Etsi, pragmata ta opoia gia polla xronia - -se polles periptwseis gia dekades xronia- - emenan kalymmena kai den erxontan sthn epifaneia, bgainoyn twra sto fws kai antimetwpizontai kai katapolemwntai stadiaka, bhma-bhma. Den lew oti qa epiteyxqei o stoxos apo th mia hmera sthn allh, alla stoxos mas einai na diapistwqei poy yparxoyn aneparkeies, poy yparxoyn astoxies, poy yparxei parabatikh symperifora, wste na doqoyn oi epiballomenes lyseis. Oi lyseis aytes didontai. Sas eipa prohgoymenws oti h kybernhsh den exei thn paramikrh proqesh na parekklinei apo toys stoxoys poy exei qesei.

XIWTHS: Epitrecte moy na parathrhsw k. Ekproswpe oti sthn periptwsh toy OTE den htan oi elegxoi poy apokalycan ayth thn paraspondia, an yphrje. Fortwqhkan epipleon bagonia se ena syrmo, o opoios ektroxiasthke logw ths paranomhs ayths energeias. To atyxhma apokalyce to gegonos kai oxi oi elegxoi toy kratoys.

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete kai emena na sas pw oti to qema einai polyplokotero apo ton tropo poy to paroysiazete. En pash periptwsei, gia perissoteres leptomereies apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

XIWTHS: Wstoso, qa hqela na epimeinw sthn erwthsh moy, thn opoia qewrw oti den apanthsate. Oi dioikhseis twn dyo organismwn kai en prokeimenw toy OSE me thn ypoqesh poy apokalyfqhke shmera, qewreite oti prepei na parameinei sth qesh toy meta apo ola ayta poy apokalyptontai;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

MPOTSARAKOS: Mhpws qa mporoysate na mas ajiologhsete to ergo ths dioikhshs toy OSE mexri shmera, k. Ekproswpe; Dhladh, qewreite oti meta apo ayta poy apokalyfqhkan threi kai efarmozei tis arxes poy exei zhthsei h kybernhsh, h dioikhsh toy OSE, me eparkeia;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati allo.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw, k. Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos, otan me to kalo steilei thn epistolh ston k. Gkroyefski, qa thn koinopoihsei kai sto NATO, stoys omologoys toy sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai ston OHE h qa steilei allh epistolh;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa eipe, xqes, o k. Roysopoylos.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Den eipe tipota ep` aytoy.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhke gia ola ayta ta qemata, tis teleytaies hmeres.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Oxi, egw qelw na maqw ean qa steilei allh epistolh.

ANTWNAROS: Mhn perimenete na pw kati diaforetiko.

Sas eyxaristw.

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