Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-04-18

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 18 Aprilioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 132469627

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 18 Aprilioy 2008

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa pragmatopoihsei episkech ergasias sth Mosxa stis 29 Aprilioy, meta apo prosklhsh toy Proedroy ths Rwsikhs Omospondias k. Blantimir Poytin.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Shmera o k. Karatzaferhs milhse gia omada Roysopoyloy kai omada Karaxalioy, yponowntas oti yparxoyn dhmosiografoi oi opoioi einai sta pay roll twn dyo sygkekrimenwn. 'Exei kapoio sxolio h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyn doqei apanthseis se ola ayta, sto plaisio ths koinoboyleytikhs syzhthshs poy egine shmera.

ROYMELIWTHS: Xqes, h thleorash toy ALPHA paroysiase ena reportaz kai fainetai telika oti o k. Molybiaths kanei ekklhsh na kanoyn oti mporoyn oi Ypoyrgoi, h kybernhsh gia na mporesoyn telika oi pyroplhktoi na laboyn thn enisxysh, ta xrhmata poy exoyn sygkentrwqei gi` aytoys. Malista, symfwna me to idio reportaz, arketoi idiwtes skeftontai na zhthsoyn ta xrhmata pisw, afoy tosoys mhnes meta den exoyn fqasei ston teliko toys proorismo.

ANTWNAROS: Sas einai kala gnwsto oti h kybernhsh apo thn prwth stigmh exei skycei panw apo ta problhmata ta opoia proklhqhkan apo tis pyrkagies toy perasmenoy kalokairioy, toy perasmenoy Aygoystoy, se polles perioxes ths xwras, me epikentro bebaia thn Peloponnhso, alla oxi mono. Einai gnwsth se oloys h amesh bohqeia, poy parasxeqhke xwris kamia grafeiokratikh dyskolia, se oloys osoi ypesthsan kapoies zhmies. Kai orismenoi sympolites mas ypesthsan poly sobares zhmies. Ayth htan h prwth amesh bohqeia gia thn antimetwpish twn prwtwn anagkwn. Apo tote ginontai polles energeies, wste na antimetwpistoyn ta problhmata poy exoyn prokycei kai oso afora spitia, kai alles kataskeyes poy eite katastrafhkan olosxerws, eite ypesthsan megales zhmies alla kai gia na antimetwpistoyn oi synepeies sto fytiko ployto kai sto zwiko ployto ths xwras. Den symmerizomai ton tropo me ton opoio paroysiasthke edw ayth h erwthsh. O k. Molybiaths asfalws, symballei apofasistika, wste ta xrhmata ayta na pane se ekeinoys poy pragmatika dikaioyntai kai ta exoyn anagkh. Alla kai apo thn pleyra ths h Politeia me mia seira allwn pollwn metrwn, exei symbalei apofasistika, oysiastika kai apotelesmatika sthn anakoyfish twn plhgentwn. Polla sxetika stoixeia perilambanontai se poly prosfates anakoinwseis, pera apo tis trexoyses anakoinwseis poy kanoyn kata kairoys ta armodia Ypoyrgeia, ta Ypoyrgeia poy emplekontai se ayto to qema. Qa hqela na pw oti se prosfath anakoinwsh toy, proxqes molis, o Ypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs k. Alekos Kontos ekane leptomerh anafora se ola osa exoyn ginei kai osa synexizoyn na ginontai. Epishs, yparxei h poly prosfath anakoinwsh toy YPEXWDE, k. Soyflia, opoy paroysiazetai ti akribws exei ginei ston diko toy tomea. Qa hqela na sas ypenqymisw, ejalloy, oti poly taktika kai emeis apo ayth th qesh, o k. Roysopoylos kai egw, exoyme anaferqei, akribws gia na yparxei synexhs roh enhmerwshs sta metra poy lambanontai, stis prwtoboylies poy pairnontai apo thn kybernhsh kai se beltiwseis, bebaiws, poy exoyn ginei kata th diarkeia olwn aytwn twn mhnwn, opoy kriqhke oti eprepe na ginoyn beltiwseis. Yparxei, fer` eipein, sas to lew enhmerwtika, -eimai bebaios oti to jerete- mia apofash metajy twn allwn toy Ypoyrgoy Periballontos, Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn k. Giwrgoy Soyflia, me thn opoia dinetai h dynatothta se opoion exei xasei to spiti toy kai den exei titloys idiokthsias h exei ateleis titloys idiokthsias, na mporei na xtisei, efoson diaqetei kai allo oikopedo ston idio oikismo, ston idio dhmo, sthn idia koinothta, spiti ekei me aytes tis eynoikes diadikasies kai th sthrijh ths ellhnikhs Politeias, alla kai th syndromh toy Eidikoy Tameioy, to opoio diaxeirizetai ayta ta xrhmata ypo thn proedria, ypo thn epiblech toy Ypoyrgoy k. Molybiath.

ROYMELIWTHS: Na rwthsw kati dieykrinistiko; Dhladh, kata thn apoch ths kybernhshs, den yparxoyn kaqysterhseis stis diadikasies;

ANTWNAROS: Moy einai gnwsto oti akoygontai diamartyries, fer` eipein, gia thn taxythta, gia to ryqmo ths bohqeias h opoia didetai ston agrotiko tomea. Qa hqela na sas parapemcw kai pali sthn proxqesinh anakoinwsh, thn poly ektenh toy k. Alekoy Kontoy, opoy analytika anaferetai poia posa exoyn doqei, pote exoyn doqei, gia poio skopo exoyn doqei, me poies diadikasies exoyn doqei, poioi einai aytoi poy eisprattoyn ta posa ayta, ws dikaioyxoi kai bebaiws, ti apomenei akomh na ginei. Apo thn allh meria, yparxoyn desmeyseis se ayto to sygkekrimeno tomea, kai qa hqela na to ypenqymisw ayto, apo sygkekrimenoys kanonismoys ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, oi opoioi orizoyn ton tropo apozhmiwshs, oxi mono apo eyrwpaika kondylia, alla kai apo ta dhmosia oikonomika. Aytoys toys kanonismoys, eimaste ypoxrewmenoi na akoloyqhsoyme oloi xwris parekkliseis. Ayto poy egine, se sxesh me to parelqon, einai oti an sygkrinei kaneis ti efarmosthke se analoges katastrofes sto prosfato parelqon, enw se alles eyrwpaikes xwres h egkrish aytoy toy sygkekrimenoy programmatos apokatastashs xreiazotan peripoy diadikasia dyo etwn, emeis kinhqhkame grhgora kai symfwnhsame me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph se xrono rekor, pente mhnwn. Ayto den exei janaginei se eyrwpaiko epipedo. Egine, dhladh, to megisto poy epitrepetai apo tis desmeyseis kai ta programmata PSEA. Ayth th stigmh, 230 ektimhtes toy Ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs ergazontai ektimwntas tis zhmies. Exei oloklhrwqei h doyleia toys sto pagio kai sto zwiko kefalaio. Synexizetai h ektimhsh sto fytiko kefalaio, h opoia den mporei na oloklhrwqei prin thn anoijh, otan qa yparjei plhrhs eikona anablasthshs, etsi legetai o texnikos oros, twn dendrwn poy kahkan. Amesws meta, qa exoyme th dynatothta na enisxysoyme akomh perissotero kanontas xrhsh ejairesewn toy Eyrwpaikoy Kanonismoy, toys agrotes poy eplhghsan. Alla qa hqela na sas parakalesw, gia mia akomh fora, kai eyxaristws na sas th dianeimw na diabasete thn poly leptomerh anakoinwsh poy ekane o Ypoyrgos k. Alekos Kontos, molis proxqes, stis 16 Aprilioy.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh kalyptei thn prwtofanh energeia ths hgesias toy Areioy Pagoy na askhsei peiqarxikh diwjh enantion toy Proedroy ths Enwshs Eisaggelewn, toy k. Mpagia;

ANTWNAROS: Den anaferomai pote se qemata eswterikhs leitoyrgias ths Dikaiosynhs. H Dikaiosynh einai anejarthth kai leitoyrgei anejarthta.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na epanelqw sto prohgoymeno qema. Fainetai, omws, oti oi kybernhtikes anakoinwseis twn armodiwn Ypoyrgeiwn den htan toso peistikes giati shmera fer` eipein, diabazoyme kai prwtoselida ston ELEYQERO TYPO.

ANTWNAROS: H anafora poy ekana exei sxesh kai me to sygkekrimeno dhmosieyma to opoio lete. Ayth h apofash edrazetai, sthrizetai panw se desmeyseis tis opoies exei h xwra mas sta plaisia ths leitoyrgias twn sxetikwn kanonismwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Parola tayta, opws sas eipa, oles oi energeies tis opoies kaname wste ayto to ektakto programma bohqeias, sthrijhs kai twn idiwn twn anqrwpwn, alla kai toy eisodhmatos toys, prowqhqhkan kai egkriqhkan, den m` aresei h lejh poy th xrhsimopoiw, se xrono rekor, alla ennow se xrono, o opoios einai poly syntomoteros, katafanws syntomoteros toy xronoy apo alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, poy exoyn antimetwpisei tetoia problhmata kai exoyn ypoballei analoga aithmata.

KAKALHS: Toso oi pyropaqeis, oso kai o ellhnikos laos, qymoyntai poly kala thn kybernhsh kai ton Prwqypoyrgo na leei oti qa kanei ta panta gia na meinoyn ston topo toys, na mhn fygoyn apo ton topo toys kai qa bohqhsei genikotera sthn anasygkrothsh ths perioxhs. Twra, aifnhs, anakalyptei desmeyseis sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, me tis opoies toys afairei to dikaiwma na pairnoyn tis apozhmiwseis kai dhqen bazei 50 ejaireseis sto programma twn enisxysewn me ypoyrgikh apofash; Ayto einai empaigmos kai koroidia.

ANTWNAROS: Ermhneyete pragmata, epitrecete moy na sas pw, me tropo opoios den nomizw oti exei sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

KAKALHS: Twra tis brhkate tis desmeyseis apenanti sthn E.E.; Twra tis anakalycate;

ANTWNAROS: Exete diabasei thn anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgoy k. Kontoy;

KAKALHS: Edw blepw oles tis ejaireseis sthn koinh ypoyrgikh apofash poy bghke, 50 ejaireseis apo to programma enisxysewn...

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti qa kanoyme xrhsh olwn twn ejairesewn poy mas epitrepoyn oi kanonismoi. Profanws den exete safh antilhch pws leitoyrgei h Eyrwpaikh Koinothta, ths opoias eimaste melos. H megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn qelei na parameinei h xwra melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, h opoia leitoyrgei me orismenoys kanones kai toys kanones aytoys, emeis toys sebomaste.

KAKALHS: Ean efarmostoyn oi kanones aytoi qa jeklhristoyn oi pyroplhktoi, den qa exoyn kanena logo na meinoyn.

ANTWNAROS: H megalh pleiochfia twn pyroplhktwn jerei poly kala osa oysiastika kai sygkekrimena exei kanei h shmerinh kybernhsh gia na apalynei kai ton pono toys kai th zhmia thn opoia ypesthsan apo tis pyrkagies toy perasmenoy kalokairioy.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes sth Boylh, o k. Karatzaferhs, eipe epi lejei: Sth DEUTSCHE TELEKOM balane oi Amerikanoi 120 ekatommyria poinh gia xeiragwghsh metoxwn. Aytos einai o etairos toy OTE. Enas pagaponths poy oi Amerikanoi (den akoygetai) syllhfqhkate na klebete opwres. Den prosexete, den maqainete, den qelete. Egw hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Anejarthta apo poy h apo poion proerxontai tetoioy eidoys dhlwseis, den yparxei qema hqikhs tajhs gia mia tetoia synergasia;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh topoqethqhke gi` ayto to qema, molis pro oligoy, apantwntas gia mia akomh fora se sxetikh erwthsh sthn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. O k. Alogoskoyfhs, prin apo liga lepta, topoqethqhke sth Boylh. Den exw na pw gia to qema toy OTE kai toy strathgikoy etairoy, o opoios anazhteitai, tipote parapanw apo osa exoyme pei.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exei orgiasei h fhmologia oti meta to Pasxa qa exoyme anasxhmatismo ths kybernhshs. Exete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tipote tetoio.

KAKALHS: Symfwna me ypologismoys poy kanoyn oi oikologikes organwseis, oi perysines pyrkagies stoixisan apo 3 mexri 5 dis eyrw. Den qymamai, akribws, ton ariqmo ths kybernhshs, poso dinei, an einai eykolo na mas to peite, alla parola ayta, to poso ayto einai poly megalo. H kybernhsh, dhladh, protima na dinei panta kondylia gia na plhrwnei apozhmiwseis kai oxi gia prolhch; Ta opoia kondylia gia prolhch einai se aqlia epipeda kai efetos;

ANTWNAROS: Kai se erwthsh poy egine ep` aytoy shmera sth Boylh, aphnthse o idios o Prwqypoyrgos. Sas parapempw, loipon, sthn apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

KAKALHS: Thn akoysa thn apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Rwtaw, omws, me bash to dedomeno, to stoixeio ayto. To kostos apo tis perysines pyrkagies einai 3 mexri 5 dis eyrw. To jerete, to exete ypologisei san kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio jerw einai oti oi sygkekrimenoi plhgentes exoyn kanei aithseis, prokeimenoy na apokatastaqoyn ta spitia toys, na apokatastaqei h paragwgh toys, na apokatastaqei to xameno toys eisodhma. Qa hqela, omws, na sas pw kai kati to opoio periexetai epeidh profanws den exete diabasei tis anakoinwseis sthn anakoinwsh toy k. Soyflia: Anaferetai, metajy twn allwn, oti to 70% twn dikaioyxwn den diamenoyn sthn Hleia. Ligoteroi apo toys misoys dikaioyxoys exoyn ypoballei aithseis, prokeimenoy...

KAKALHS: Allo rwthsa egw.

ANTWNAROS: Kai egw sas apantw.

KAKALHS: Protimate na dinete xrhmata gia apozhmiwseis, para gia prolhch; Ayto rwtaw.

ANTWNAROS: Prokeimenoy na apozhmiwqei kapoios, prepei na ypoballei th sxetikh aithsh. Synepws, ean kapoios diamartyretai mh exontas ypoballei thn aithsh, foboymai oti kindyneyei na xasei to dikio poy endexomenws, exei me to meros toy. Basei twn stoixeiwn poy edwse shmera o Prwqypoyrgos sth Boylh, exoyn ayjhqei shmantika ta kondylia ta opoia diatiqentai gia thn prolhch.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, akoysa ti eipate gia ton OTE kai ton strathgiko etairo. Wstoso, qelw na sas rwthsw, na qesw ypoch sas, oti xqes o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs proxwrhse sth Boylh se kataggelia mazi kai epiqesh kata ths kybernhshs, legontas oti den proxwrhse se dieqnh diagwnismo gia ton OTE, dexqhke th diamesolabhsh ths MIG, me apotelesma diafygonta esoda toy Dhmosioy panw apo 805 ekatommyria eyrw. Kai epipleon yposthrije oti prokeitai gia emfanh periptwsh apistias, eis baros toy Dhmosioy. Exete kapoio sxolio gia ola ayta;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyn apanthqei ola ayta sth Boylh, apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo kai den krinw skopimo na pw o,tidhpote allo.

KAKALHS: H ``Nea Makedonia'' einai synqeth onomasia me gewgrafiko prosdiorismo, opws yposthrije xqes h k. Mpakogiannh;

ANTWNAROS: Opws jerete, exoyme mia diadikasia, mia diapragmateysh ypo ejelijh. Oso brisketai ayth h diadikasia se ejelijh, egw den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio poy na exei sxesh me onomatologia.

KAKALHS: Ma, ekane h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn. Ayto lew.

ANTWNAROS: Egw den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio. Opws antilambaneste, h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn topoqeteitai ayqentika epi olwn twn qematwn poy aptontai ths armodiothtas ths.

KAKALHS: Ara apotelei bash gia symbibasmo.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipote parapanw.

KAKALHS: Exw allh mia erwthsh. Gia th diwjh toy k. Mpagia, hqela na rwthsw. Mporei h kybernhsh na paristanei ton Pontio Pilato gia ton epithdeio oydetero, otan epi qhteias ths ginetai diwjh, otan diwketai h eleyqerh ekfrash;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa, pro oligoy, akribws sthn idia erwthsh, diaforetika diatypwmenh, poy moy ekane o synadelfos sas k. Gargalakos. Den exw na pw kati allo. Den ypeiserxomai, oyte sxoliazw pote, qemata poy aforoyn th leitoyrgia ths Dikaiosynhs. H Dikaiosynh sthn Ellada einai anejarthth.

KAKALHS: Einai politiko qema.

ANTWNAROS: Kata thn antilhch sas.

KAKALHS: Nai, profanws.

ANTWNAROS: To qema ths anejarthsias ths Dikaiosynhs, gia emas, den einai politiko qema. Einai qema leitoyrgias toy Syntagmatos.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Pasxa.

Qa ta poyme th Deytera toy Qwma.

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