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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 7 Ianoyarioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 114797207

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 7 Ianoyarioy 2008

Xairete, Xronia Polla, Kalh Xronia, Ygeia, Eytyxia kai o,ti allo epiqymei o kaqenas.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio, stis 10.00, qa exei synergasia, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas k. Baggelh Meimarakh. Stis 11.00, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qema ``Oikonomikes ejelijeis kai dieqnhs sygkyria''. Eishghtes einai o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Alogoskoyfhs kai o Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Fwlias.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xronia polla kai kalh xronia kai apo emena. Meta apo aytes tis proklhtikes dhlwseis kai tis prajeis, an qelete, ths toyrkikhs pleyras -einai gnwsta, den xreiazetai na ta apariqmhsw- to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Agkyra qa pragmatopoihqei kanonika, opws exei programmatistei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei ginei topoqethsh kai epi kapoiwn dhlwsewn, opws gnwrizete, apo thn armodia ypoyrgo h apo ton ekproswpo toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Ekeino to opoio exw na shmeiwsw einai oti proxwroyn oi diadikasies gia thn episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Agkyra. Den exei oristikopoihqei akomh h hmeromhnia. Otan oristikopoihqei, qa anakoinwqei taytoxronws kai apo tis dyo pleyres kai stis dyo prwteyoyses, opws synhqizetai se aytes tis periptwseis.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh h ypoqesh Zaxopoyloy synexizei na peripleketai kai olo kai nea dedomena prostiqentai sthn ypoqesh ayth, hqela na sas rwthsw, epeidh fantazomai kai eseis anagnwrizete oti kaqe neo stoixeio poy mporei na prosteqei, mporei na dwsei perissotero fws se ayth thn ypoqesh, qa epimeinei h kybernhsh sto na mhn apokalyptei thn taytothta toy plhroforiodoth ths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei hdh apanthqei to qema apo ton Dieyqynth toy Grafeioy Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy, k. Andriano. Nomizw oti exei apanthqei kai apo to Katastatiko ths Enwsews Syntaktwn Hmerhsiwn Efhmeridwn Aqhnwn, ths opoias, opws gnwrizete, einai melos o k. Andrianos. Gnwrizete -eimai bebaios- oloi sas oti to arqro 9 toy Katastatikoy ths Enwsews Syntaktwn problepei oti oi ergazomenoi sta Grafeia Typoy diathroyn th dhmosiografikh toys idiothta, me o,ti ayto shmainei. Ean yparxei diaforetikh proseggish ths Enwsews gia allo katastatiko, gia neo katastatiko, gia nea ryqmish, ayto den to gnwrizw egw. Pantws, nomizw oti gnwrizete ti isxyei mexri shmera kai gia esas poy eiste dhmosiografos kai gia ton k. Andriano poy, symfwna me thn ESHEA, einai dhmosiografos.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw, gia poio logo apepemfqh apo thn kybernhsh o k. Zaxopoylos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei epistolh paraithshs toy k. Zaxopoyloy. Nomizw oti exei apanthsei sto erwthma ayto, o idios.

SPYRAKH: Proekycan nea dedomena.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me poia idiothta parelabe to DVD o k. Andrianos; Me thn idiothta toy dhmosiografoy h toy synergath toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw poy qelete na katalhjete, alla se o,ti afora to DVD kai thn idiothta toy k. Andrianoy, exw ejantlhsei to qema sthn prwth erwthsh poy moy egine apo ton k. Xiwth.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pera apo to gegonos oti to Megaro Majimoy parelabe thn perifhmh ayth kaseta, den sas problhmatise to gegonos oti endexomenws na yphrxe kai kapoio allo yliko h kapoies alles kasetes poy na mporoysan na katastoyn moxlos ekbiasmoy, akomh kai melwn ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apanthsh dinetai apo thn prajh apostolhs toy en logw DVD ston Eisaggelea.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, thn Paraskeyh h ``HMERHSIA'' egrace oti yphrje mia synanthsh stis 17 Dekembrioy, sto Megaro Majimoy, toy k. Aggeloy me ton k. Zaxopoylo. Kat` arxhn, epibebaiwnete ayth th synanthsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, den anakoinwnw pote synanthseis h synergasies thlefwnikes toy Dieyqynth toy Grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

TSIOYFOS: Den htan thlefwnikh. Htan prosklhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den epibebaiwnw, oyte anakoinwnw pote synanthseis toy Dieyqynth toy Grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

KAKALHS: Giati na pistecei o ellhnikos laos thn kybernhsh poy leei oti qelei na xyqei apleto fws kai na lamcei h alhqeia gi` ayth thn ypoqesh, apo th stigmh poy kalyptei to dhmosiografo poy edwse to yliko ekbiasmoy sth Dikaiosynh; Frakarei, dhladh, thn ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas edwsa mia apanthsh. Endexomenws, na mh sas ikanopoiei. Milame gia zhthmata deontologias. Kai sta zhthmata deontologias yparxoyn toylaxiston dyo proseggiseis. Se orismena, poly perissoteres, alla toylaxiston dyo. Egw sas edwsa mia apanthsh, h opoia afora to aporrhto toy dhmosiografoy.

SARANTAKOS: Hqela na rwthsw, pote h kybernhsh plhroforhqhke gia prwth fora oti ena kybernhtiko stelexos, en prokeimenw o tote Genikos Grammateas toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy, eixe pesei qyma ekbiasmoy. Pote h kybernhsh emaqe gia prwth fora oti yparxei qema ekbiasmoy me to DVD h xwris ayto klp;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Etsi opws to qetete gia ekbiasmo, h ypoqesh egine gnwsth apo th stigmh ths apopeiras aytoktonias toy k. Zaxopoyloy.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kalh xronia kai apo emena. Olh ayth h ypoqesh Zaxopoyloy, qa elega, me treis lejeis oti qymizei ena titlo mias palias tainias ``Sej, cemata kai binteotainies''. Einai kati apo ola ayta poy anhsyxei thn kybernhsh h kati allo poy akomh den gnwrizoyme;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na qewrw poly sobarh thn ypoqesh gia na th sygkrinw me opoiadhpote tainia.

MPOTSARAKOS: Hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Prin apo thn paraithsh toy k. Zaxopoyloy, h kybernhsh eixe enhmerwqei gia to periexomeno toy sygkekrimenoy binteo; Dhladh, to eixe dei o Dieyqynths toy Grafeioy Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Eixan enhmerwqei oi synergates toy k. Karamanlh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Andrianos exei dwsei kataqesh ston Anakrith, h opoia malista eide kai to fws ths dhmosiothtas, apo o,ti eida shmera. Kata synepeia, mporeite na th diabasete. Den exw na prosqesw tipote perissotero.

XIDIROGLOY: Sthn ypoqesh piesewn pros thn kybernhsh, milaw genikotera twra, den afora mono thn ypoqesh Zaxopoyloy ayto poy qelw na rwthsw, yparxei kai poly LA.O.S.. Ayto poy qelw na rwthsw einai to ejhs: Exei epishmanei h kybernhsh kapoia ypergeia h ypogeia synergasia metajy toy kommatos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs me to sygkekrimeno komma ths elassonos antipoliteyshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Foboymai oti den katalaba to erwthma sas.

XIDIROGLOY: An h kybernhsh exei epishmanei synergasia metajy toy PASOK kai toy LAOS se zhthmata antipoliteytika.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw tipote ep` aytoy toy qematos. Ean yparxei synergasia se zhthmata antipoliteytika, fantazomai oti ayta ginontai sto fws ths dhmosiothtas.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, apo thn pleyra ths antipoliteyshs yparxoyn afenos kathgories pros thn pleyra ths kybernhshs, oti yparxei politikh eyqynh kai mono sthn epilogh toy k. Zaxopoyloy poy paremeine tosa xronia me aytes tis ejoysies, alla yparxoyn kai aitiaseis ws pros th leitoyrgia ths Dikaiosynhs. Kathgoroyn thn kybernhsh oti xeiragwgei th Dikaiosynh kai to apotelesma einai oti meta apo 15 hmeres kai me dyo apopeires aytoktonias, den exoyme akomh, oxi apleto fws, alla oyte kan stoixeia. Apanta kati h kybernhsh se ayta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, h kybernhsh, opws kaqe sobarh kybernhsh, ofeilei na sebetai tis diadikasies oi opoies problepontai apo to Syntagma kai toys nomoys. H Dikaiosynh exei jekinhsei mia seira apo ereynes. h prwth ereyna exei na kanei me thn ypoqesh ths apopeiras aytoktonias, h deyterh exei na kanei me oikonomika zhthmata, ta opoia aoristws, ap` o,ti diapistwsa, anaferqhkan, alla wstoso o Eisaggeleas exei dwsei entolh na ginei ereyna kai se diafora qemata poy aforoyn to Ypoyrgeio Politismoy. Sth synexeia, gnwrizete poly kala oti yparxoyn kai aithmata, erwthmata, me thn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia, ta opoia qa doqei h eykairia na paroyn apanthsh stis armodies Epitropes.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh h olh ypoqesh afora ena dhmosio leitoyrgo kai malista, opws eixan pei orismenoi, symfwna me dhmosiografikes plhrofories, eixe yperejoysies to en logw proswpo kai anaferomai bebaiws ston k. Zaxopoylo. Den qewrei h kybernhsh oti ayto to zhthma yperbainei kata poly tis diastaseis mias aplhs roz istorias kai oti telika einai politikh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Enas ypoyrgos exei ejoysies poy problepontai apo to nomo gia th qesh toy ypoyrgoy, enas yfypoyrgos antistoixws kai enas genikos grammateas antistoixws. Ayto se o,ti afora tis yperejoysies stis opoies anaferqhkate.

PASISHS: O Grammateas ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Zagoriths eipe oti o k. Zaxopoylos exei prodwsei thn empistosynh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Qelw na rwthsw, an o k. Zaxopoylos exei prodwsei thn empistosynh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw akribws th diatypwsh poy ekane o k. Zagoriths. Anaferqhke se zhthmata hqikhs tajews. Kai se zhthmata hqikhs tajews, epishs, yparxei mia proseggish, thn opoia egw qa sebastw apo opoia pleyra kai an proerxetai.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eixame dyo apopeires aytoktonias. Pisteyete oti eginan monon gia mia istoria h opoia kinhqhke sto pedio toy roz, dhladh, mias proswpikhs erwtikhs istorias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa qymaste, endexomenws, th dhlwsh poy ekana ekeino to apogeyma, thn teleytaia hmera ths syzhthshs gia ton Proypologismo, otan eipa oti to na ftasei kaneis sto aponenohmeno diabhma, genna ena megalo ``giati''. Kai s` ayto to ``giati'' eipa  kai epimenw, giati exei epikairothta ayth h dhlwsh- oti elpizoyme na dwsei apanthsh h ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs, h ereyna twn armodiwn Arxwn. Ara, den mporw na pw kati perissotero twra. Den exw, dhladh, na pw kati perissotero.

SPYRAKH: Se synexeia ths erwthshs poy sas ekana prin kai epeidh anaferqhkate oti ws aitiologia ths apopomphs toy k. Zaxopoyloy, o k. Zaxopoylos emfanizetai na exei paraithqei gia logoys ygeias, sas lew loipon oti proekycan nea dedomena. Qelw, loipon, na moy apanthsete apo th qesh toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy: Efoson h kybernhsh hjere oti o k. Zaxopoylos den antimetwpizei to qema to opoio o idios epikaleitai, to qema ths ygeias, alla brisketai se kloio pieshs logw yparjhs optikoakoystikoy ylikoy poy anaferetai se proswpikes toy stigmes kai ton fernei se dyskolh qesh, giati yioqethse ayth thn ekdoxh; Kai qelw na moy apanthsete an h kybernhsh ereyna, pera apo to proswpiko skelos gia to opoio piezotan o k. Zaxopoylos, an o k. Zaxopoylos piezotan kai gia energeies, prajeis h paraleiceis toy thn periodo poy prohdreye toy KAS kai thn periodo poy diaxeirizontan koinotika kai alla kondylia toy Eidikoy Logariasmoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Panta sas apantw apo th qesh toy Ekproswpoy, mias kai to qesate sthn arxh ths erwthsews sas. Den exw skopo na apanthsw proswpika h allws edw. Se kaqe periptwsh, yparxoyn polla zhthmata, opws tiqetai kai sto erwthma sas, ta opoia perimenoyn apanthseis se o,ti afora thn ypoqesh ayth. To meizon zhthma, bebaiws, ayto poy eipa kai prohgoymenws: Pws enas anqrwpos ftanei sto aponenohmeno diabhma. Kata ta loipa, anaferqhkate sto KAS. Epitrecte moy na kanw mia parathrhsh, thn opoia pisteyw oti o kaqenas o opoios exei asxolhqei me to Kentriko Arxaiologiko Symboylio qa katanohsei kai sigoyra qa katanohsete ki eseis ws empeiroi dhmosiografoi. Ean rwtoyses enan Ellhna, mexri prin apo 20 hmeres ``Poia qewreis oti einai mia apo tis pio sklhres, pio aysthres, pio dyskoles yphresies toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy'', qa soy elege ``To Kentriko Arxaiologiko Symboylio''. Kai de nomizw oti kanw laqos se ayto. Pws aifnhs ena symboylio 17meles, sto opoio metexoyn para polloi kaqhghtes panepisthmioy, metexoyn arxitektones, metexoyn proswpa kyroys, sbhnei apo to xarth kai emfanizetai h epilogh, h boylhsh enos proswpoy; Pws ypotimoyme proswpa ta opoia exoyn mia poreia sto xwro toys kai ayth thn poreia sto xwro toys thn yperaspizontai me oles toys tis apofaseis sto organo poy einai gnwmodotiko. Qelw na qymisw oti h diplh chfos toy Proedroy, dhladh toy Genikoy Grammatea, toy tote Genikoy Grammatea k. Zaxopoyloy, xrhsimopoihqhke se mia mono periptwsh kai ayth einai gia ta dyo ktiria mprosta apo to Moyseio ths Akropolhs. Se kamia allh periptwsh. Epishs, qelw na qymisw oti ta melh toy KAS ejedwsan anakoinwsh, prin apo liges hmeres, anaferomena sthn ypotimhsh ths proswpikothtas toys kai toy ergoy toys, etsi opws paroysiasthke apo orismena Mesa.

KAKALHS: O k. Zaxopoylos sthn epistolh toy milaei gia politiko ekbiasmo. Eseis, san kybernhsh, yioqeteite ayton ton isxyrismo kai an nai, giati den yperaspisthkate to kybernhtiko stelexos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ofeiloyme na sebastoyme oti o k. Zaxopoylos brisketai se mia katastash, krisimh men, alla en zwh. Einai bebaio oti qa klhqei na kataqesei sth synexeia kai qa perimenoyme na akoysoyme apo ton idio ti perissotero exei na symplhrwsei peran twn shmeiwmatwn ta opoia afhse se stena toy proswpa, filika, oikogeneiaka proswpa.

KAKALHS: San kybernhsh exete katalhjei ean einai idiwtikh ypoqesh h politikos ekbiasmos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw qa perimena na oloklhrwqei h ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs gia na dwsw thn opoiadhpote apanthsh. Nomizw oti ayth einai kai h kalyterh lysh.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Kalh xronia kai apo emena. Ean den eixe apopeiraqei na aytoktonhsei o k. Zaxopoylos, h leitoyrgia toy KAS h h drash toy idioy toy tews Genikoy Grammatea toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy, o tropos telos pantwn poy leitoyrgoyse, den qa eixe apasxolhsei pote kai kaqoloy kanena kybernhtiko stelexos; Qelw na pw, den yphrxan prin apo thn tragikh ayth apopeira, proseggiseis, apoceis, problhmatismoi epi olwn aytwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw, oti to KAS antimetwpise mia seira qematwn. Gnwrizete oti yparxei to KAS, yparxei to Kentriko Symboylio Neoterwn Mnhmeiwn kai yparxoyn kai kata topoys symboylia ta opoia einai 11melh poy asxoloyntai me ta qemata twn perioxwn toys. Se meizona qemata epilambanetai to KAS, me gnwmodotiko xarakthra, sthn eishghsh toy, sthn apofash toy pros ton ypoyrgo. Den yparxei kati to opoio na exei kataggelqei h dei to fws ths dhmosiothtas kai na exei ereynhqei ws sfalma h problhma. Epanalambanw oti exoyme na kanoyme me ena symboylio, to opoio symboylio sth syneidhsh olwn twn Ellhnwn poy exei tyxei na asxolhqoyn -giati breqhkan arxaia sthn perioxh toys, sto xwro toys, se idiwtiko toys xwro, se oikopedo klp.- gnwrizoyn kai gnwrizoyme oti prokeitai gia ena apo ta pleon aysthra organa ths ellhnikhs Politeias.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Jafnika omws bghkan polla qemata gi` ayto. Dhladh, efyge enas anqrwpos apo to mpalkoni, tragikh h moira toy kai akoygontai polla...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai bebaios oti o Eisaggeleas o opoios exei dwsei thn entolh, qa ereynhsei tis ypoqeseis aytes oi opoies akoysthkan apo akritomyqies h apo anafores se Mesa Enhmerwshs.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gnwrizete ektos apo ta melh toy KAS ta opoia symmetexoyn ex officio, ta ypoloipa poios ta diorizei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizw oti to KAS exei 17 melh. Proedros einai o Genikos Grammateas toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy. Yparxei Nomikos Symboylos toy Kratoys -kai Nomikos Symboylos toy Kratoys sas qymizw oti einai apo to Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys, dhladh einai monimos dhmosios ypallhlos- o Genikos Dieyqynths Arxaiothtwn, kai aytos monimos ypallhlos, o Genikos Dieyqynths Anasthlwshs Meletwn kai Texnikwn Ergwn, kai aytos monimos ypallhlos, pente arxaiologoi, efta kaqhghtes h anaplhrwtes twn A.E.I., -einai synhqws kaqhghtes Polytexneioy- kai enas arxitektonas toy YPEXWDE. Proswpikothtes oi opoies sthn pleiochfia toys einai stelexh toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy. Apo ta 17 melh, nomizw, me pleiochfia toy enos, ta perissotera einai monimoi ypallhloi toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy.

KYRITSHS: Epilegontai omws apo thn kybernhsh, osoi den symmetexoyn logw ths qesews toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn epiloges, oi opoies ginontai apo thn politikh hgesia, opws allwste se kaqe organo.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, poios o logos, enw exei oloklhrwqei o kyklos dialogoy gia to Asfalistiko, na to epanaferei to qema o Prwqypoyrgos me pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthsh; Kai ena deytero, gnwrizete pote qa diejaxqei h sxetikh syzhthsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, qa apanthsei h Boylh, giati h koinoboyleytikh diadikasia, opws gnwrizete, den mporei na apasxolhsei th syzhthsh mas edw. Einai qema toy Koinoboylioy. Oson afora to prwto, h epilogh ths kybernhshs einai na ginei syzhthsh sto ychlotero dynato epipedo koinoboyleytika, dhladh se epipedo arxhgwn kommatwn. Gi` ayto kai protaqhke h pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthsh. Einai ena meizon qema, ena sobaro qema ths ellhnikhs politikhs skhnhs. Ena qema poy afora oloys toys Ellhnes kai tis epomenes genees kai krinoyme skopimo na syzhthqei entos toy plaisioy toy Koinoboylioy.

SARANTAKOS: Yphrxe mia plhroforia oti mporei na yparjei protash gia Ejetastikh Epitroph gia to qema toy k. Zaxopoyloy. H kybernhsh pws to antimetwpizei ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na apanthsw se aoristes plhrofories.

GKOYTZANHS: O dikhgoros, o opoios apopeiraqhke kai aytos na aytoktonhsei, anaferei kapoy sthn epistolh toy oti ``den mporw na ta balw me mia kybernhsh poy mas antimetwpizei san ekbiastes'', afhnontas na ennohqei oti eniwse piesh gia na mhn akoloyqhsei kai ekeinos to dromo poy eixe h k. Tsekoy, h opoia profylakisthke xwris na throyntai kan oi proypoqeseis. Exei na pei kati h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw se poio shmeio anaferetai  oxi ths epistolhs toy, to diabasa kai egw- alla poy anaferetai ayth h krish. Wstoso, epeidh prohgoyntai dyo alles kriseis, tis opoies qa sas anaferw aytolejei, qa sas balw na krinete eseis ti apo ayto yioqeteite h oxi. Egw den qa yioqethsw, oyte qa aporricw kati. Einai qema ths Dikaiosynhs. Gia paradeigma, leei nwritera apo ayto to shmeio poy anaferate eseis ``apajapanta ta lexqenta kai anaferqenta ypo twn MME sxetikwn me eme kai to dikhgoro D.M., oydemia sxesh exoyn me thn pragmatikothta. Apajapanta. Oydepote kai kat` oydena tropo ejebiasqh apopeiraqeis yf` hmwn. Epeidh de oi perissoteroi twn MME syskotizoyn thn katastasin anti na kateyqynontai sta pragmatika aitia, protiqemai dia ths paroyshs na analwqw di` oligwn pros apokatastasin ths monhs alhqeias''. Eseis pisteyete, alhqeia k. Gkoytzanh, oti oi perissoteroi dhmosiografoi ek twn MME syskotizoyn thn ypoqesh; Pisteyete oti apajapanta ta lexqena apo ta MME einai ceydh; Allh erwthsh.

NASOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sxetika me ton k. Andriano kai to dhmosiografiko aporrhto, para polloi dhmosiografoi qewroyn oti to dhmosiografiko aporrhto qa kalypte apolyta thn phgh proeleyshs enos qematos, mias plhroforias. Qa paremeinan oysiastika apo ton k. Andriano na pei oti den mporw na sas pw apo poy proerxetai ayto to DVD. Paratayta, o k. Adrianos ``espase'' kata to hmisy  na to pw etsi- to dhmosiografiko aporrhto kai eipe oti proerxetai apo dhmosiografo. Fantasteite, se antistrofh periptwsh, enas dhmosiografos na elege oti ayto to yliko proerxetai apo stelexos ths kybernhshs, alla den sas lew apo poion.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti ayto poy lete symbainei kaqhmerinws. Kybernhtikes phges, aoristws, akomh kai to Megaro Majimoy sto opoio einai sygkekrimena ta proswpa poy yparxoyn kai omiloyn, epikaloyntai h briskontai sta xeilh pollwn sxoliastwn kaqhmerinws.

NASOPOYLOS: To katanow, alla edw yparxei ena zhthma adikhmatos sth mesh. Den einai mia (den akoygetai) tis plhrofories, yphrxe enas ekbiasmos poy htan dedomenos. Anarwtiemai ean h kybernhsh qewrei oti stoxopoieitai enas klados me ayth thn taktikh kai ayth th diadikasia poy akoloyqhqhke, thn apofash toy k. Adrianoy na pei oti proerxetai apo dhmosiografo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti ayto poy lete einai mia lektikh yperbash. Egw qa sas pw pali to poly aplo: To arqro 9 toy Katastatikoy ths ESEHA -ths opoias eiste melos fantazomai- problepei oti o dhmosiografos poy ergazetai se grafeio Typoy diathrei thn idiothta toy dhmosiografoy. Egw proswpika exw epilejei na mh th diathrhsw dioti eimai boyleyths kai ypoyrgos kai to exw dhlwsei dhmosiws. O k. Andrianos den einai oyte boyleyths, oyte ypoyrgos. Einai ergazomenos, dieyqynths toy grafeioy Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy. H idia h Enwsh -sthn opoia einai melos kai sthn opoia eiste kai eseis kai sthn opoia chfise kiolas prosfata, opws kai eseis fantazomai- toy dinei ayto to dikaiwma. Ean oi dhmosiografoi, dhladh h Enwsh Syntaktwn, epilejoyn na allajoyn to Katastatiko, den exoyn para na to allajoyn. Ayto den einai ena politiko zhthma. Sas eipa oti einai ena qema deontologias, to opoio anaferetai sto Katastatiko ths Enwsews. Eipa oti yparxoyn polles proseggiseis sta qemata deontologias. Alla se ayto, epitrecte na pisteyw oti einai qema to opoio prepei na apanthsete eseis, dhladh, o dhmosiografikos klados. Qelei h Enwsh Syntaktwn na chfisei neo Katastatiko; Einai sth dikh ths diakritikh eyxereia. Wstoso, me bash to shmerino Katastatiko, o k. Adrianos einai dhmosiografos kai ara mporei na epikalestei tis dikaiodosies poy aryontai apo to epaggelma to opoio kanei.

XIWTHS: Synexizw sto idio qema. O k. Andrianos, omws, fantazomai omologeite kai eseis oti katexei mia ychlh politikh qesh, dhmosiografikh men, alla politikh qesh kai to deytero einai oti den toy zhteitai na dwsei sth dhmosiothta to onoma toy plhroforiodoth, alla ston anakrith poy ereyna thn ypoqesh. Emfanizetai, dhladh, h kybernhsh na prostateyei ena sygkekrimeno proswpo apo thn ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs. Ayth einai (den akoygetai)

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy ws ligo palaioteros apo esas  yparxoyn kai alloi palaioteroi se ayth thn aiqoysa- na enqymoymai ypoqeseis dhmosiografwn poy epikalesthkan aythn akribws th dynatothta toys enwpion toy dikasthrioy.

XIWTHS: Egw den qymamai toso megalh ypoqesh poy na apasxolhse toso poly th dhmosiothta afenos kai afeteroy ayto poy eipate gia thn Enwsh Syntaktwn, ean h Enwsh ekdwsei mia anakoinwsh poy qa qewrei oti kakws epikaleitai o k. Andrianos to dhmosiografiko aporrhto ston anakrith epanalambanw, tote o k. Andrianos qa dwsei to onoma sth Dikaiosynh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H erwthsh sas einai ypoqetikh. Alla gnwrizete poly kala oti ena katastatiko mias Enwsews den einai mia ypoqesh poy anaireitai apo mia anakoinwsh. To gnwrizete poly kala ayto.

XIWTHS: To dhmosiografiko aporrhto pantws einai kati gia to opoio shkwnei poly syzhthsh. Kai alles fores exei ginei ayth h syzhthsh kai twra ginetai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean h Enwsh Syntaktwn ayrio kanei dhmochfisma metajy twn melwn ths kai apofasisei h pleiochfia twn melwn oti oloi oi ergazomenoi dhmosiografoi sta grafeia Typoy den einai dhmosiografoi, antilambanomai oti exoyn bash ola ta erwthmata poy kanate kai eseis kai alloi synadelfoi sas. Ayth th stigmh poy milame pantws, h Enwsh Syntaktwn, to epishmo Swmateio sas dhladh, ayto poy exete chfisei kai eseis  kai den milaw gia th dioikhsh ths- to Katastatiko poy exete chfisei, leei oti o ergazomenos se grafeio Typoy einai dhmosiografos kai diathrei ta dikaiwmata toy. Kata ta loipa, krateiste thn topoqethsh moy -oxi giati yparxei kapoios allos logos- oti se qemata deontologias dexomai oti yparxoyn diaforetikes proseggiseis. Allh proseggish mporei na exete eseis, allh mporei na exw egw.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na epimeinw ligo; H kybernhsh elegxei th diaxeirish twn kondyliwn thn periodo poy o k. Zaxopoylos htan genikos grammateas toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy; Mono gia thn enhmerwsh, qa hqela na shmeiwsw oti o k. Zaxopoylos feretai apo dhmosieymata kai plhrofories na eixe thn eyqynh diaxeirishs toy G' K.P.S. kai na eixe kai thn eyqynh eishghsewn gia th diaxeirish toy eidikoy logariasmoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy. Elegxei, loipon, oles aytes tis prajeis ths diadromhs toy k. Zaxopoyloy apo to 2004 mexri thn hmera poy paraithqhke h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na sas pw to ejhs: Kai monon h xrhsimopoihsh ths frashs poy eipate ``apo plhrofories, feretai na einai h na elegxei'', dhmioyrgei mia aisqhsh. Gnwrizete poly kala oti o genikos grammateas toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy exei armodiothtes poly sygkekrimenes. Ara, loipon, afoy to gnwrizoyme, as mhn xrhsimopoioyme fraseologia oti ``feretai me bash plhrofories na elegxei h na einai ypeyqynos gia ta kondylia twn Koinotikwn Plaisiwn Sthrijhs''. Oi armodiothtes einai gnwstes h en pash periptwsei eginan gnwstes meta apo olh ayth thn ypoqesh. Apo th dikh mas ereyna, se synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Politismoy kai toys prohgoymenoys ypoyrgoys Politismoy, den prokyptei kapoio sfalma. Opws gnwrizete, yparxei ereyna toy eisaggelea, h opoia dietaxqh gia oikonomika qemata, qemata oikonomikhs diaxeirishs, sto diasthma twn perasmenwn peripoy tessarwn etwn.

KORAH: H kybernhsh pws apanta sthn protash boyleytwn toy PASOK na kataqesoyn sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias oloi oi ypoyrgoi Politismoy ths Neas Dhmokratias apo to 2004 poy allos perissotero, allos ligotero anedeijan ton k. Zaxopoylo ws ton dynato andra toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy, paraxwrwntas toy polles armodiothtes kai perissoteres apo aytes poy armozoyn ston geniko grammatea.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw se poies armodiothtes anafereste. Se o,ti afora thn teleytaia sas parathrhsh, profanws qa exete kati ypoch sas gia na to lete kai den qa meinw ekei. An qelete mas to lete h oxi, alla den einai ekei to qema. Opws gnwrizete, edwsa apanthsh thn idia kiolas hmera poy to PASOK anakoinwse oti qa kataqesei aithma wste na klhqoyn oi ypoyrgoi Politismoy apo to 2004 ews shmera kai menw se ayth thn apanthsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eseis exete dei to periexomeno toy DVD poy paradoqhke ston eisaggelea;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

GKOYTZANHS: Sto Majimoy, to eidate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

KAKALHS: Pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti sta 3/5, 4 xronia poy einai h Nea Dhmokratia exoyn yparjei toylaxiston 200 apofaseis gia apoxarakthrismoys arxaiologikwn xwrwn kai arxaiologikwn istorikwn mnhmeiwn; Ayto apo mono toy, den synista ena skandalo pros ofelos idiwtikwn symferontwn ennoeitai stis perissoteres periptwseis. Ayto apo mono toy, den synista ena skandalo kai phgh gia diaxeiristika skandala sth synexeia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Milhsate gia apoxarakthrismoys 200 arxaiologikwn xwrwn. Ean orqws to diatypwsate kai orqws to akoysa, sas plhroforw oti se epikoinwnia poy eixa me to Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy yparxei diabebaiwsh oti den yparxei oyte enas apoxarakthrismos arxaiologikoy xwroy. Profanws, yparxoyn sygkekrimenes typologies, stis opoies xarh ths dhmosiografikhs glwssas mporei na anaferontai ws arxaiologikoi xwroi, alla me diabebaiwnoyn oti arxaiologikos xwros me thn ennoia poy h typologia orizei sto Ypoyrgeio Politismoy den apoxarakthristhke. Yparxoyn apofaseis oi opoies exoyn lhfqei kata pleiochfia, polles fores kai me apolyth pleiochfia gia tis opoies sas parapempw sto Ypoyrgeio Politismoy. Efoson qelete kapoia eidikoterh kai leptomeresterh ereyna, qa sas diaqesoyn ta stoixeia poy zhtate. Aplws na sas pw oti oi apofaseis gia na ftasoyn sthn hmera ths krishs, exoyn prohgoymenws perasei ws qemata apo thn armodia dieyqynsh, h opoia nomizw exei pente ypallhloys anwteroys h anwtatoys. Ayth h armodia dieyqynsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy eishgeitai sto KAS. To Kentriko Arxaiologiko Symboylio, apoteloymeno apo 17 proswpa, proswpikothtes kyroys  ean diabasei kapoios mono ta onomata poy symmetexoyn qa to katanohsei ayto kai en pash periptwsei h pleiochfia twn proswpikothtwn me megalh prosfora sto xwro toys epi seira etwn- oloklhrwnei th synedriash toy, einai gnwmodotikh h katalhjh ths synedriashs kai ftanei gia ton teliko elegxo ston armodio ypoyrgo. Ayth einai h diadikasia. An qelete kati poly perissotero, eimai bebaios oti to Ypoyrgeio Politismoy qa sas parasxei opoiadhpote peraiterw plhroforia qelete.

SARANTAKOS: Gnwrizete na mas peite ean o k. Zaxopoylos eixe sto Ypoyrgeio Politismoy dikaiwma telikhs ypografhs se o,ti afora thn oikonomikh diaxeirish h ekane thn eishghsh toy ston armodio ypoyrgo kai synypegrafan apofaseis...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eixe ta dikaiwmata ta opoia aporreoyn apo th qesh toy. Yparxei mia seira apo dikaiwmata gia thn kaqe qesh, ta opoia perigrafontai safws sto nomo. Ta Koinotika Plaisia poy elega prohgoymenws, gia paradeigma, anhkoyn sthn armodiothta toy genikoy grammatea toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy.

NASOPOYLOS: Eseis gnwrizete to onoma toy promhqeyth toy epimaxoy DVD;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh ginetai logos gia tis armodiothtes poy eixe o k. Zaxopoylos sto Ypoyrgeio Politismoy, epibebaiwnete thn plhroforia oti oi armodiothtes aytes perikophkan stis 19 Noembrioy, opws toylaxiston diabazoyme ston Typo kai oti akomh den exe dhmosieyqei to analogo fyllo ths Efhmeridas ths Kybernhsews;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio. Oxi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den gnwrizete kan an exoyn perikopei dhladh oi armodiothtes toy k. Zaxopoylos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

TSIOYFOS: Pisteyei h kybernhsh oti h sygkekrimenh ypoqesh, etsi opws ejelixqhke olo ayto to diasthma, dhmioyrgei rhgmata sto aisqhma hqikhs yperoxhs poy kalliergoyse pente-eji xronia twra h Nea Dhmokratia se sxesh me toys politikoys ths antipaloys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anamfisbhthta einai ena zhthma proswpikhs hqikhs. Kai den anaferomai se hqikh poy exei na kanei me oikonomikh diaxeirish. Opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, dhmioyrgei apoceis kai yper ths mias kai yper ths allhs pleyras.

TSIOYFOS: Ayto den aggizei thn kybernhsh; Ayth h proswpikh hqikh gia thn opoia milhsate den aggizei thn kybernhsh me kapoio tropo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqenas mporei na bgalei ta symperasmata toy kai na dwsei o idios mia apanthsh sto erwthma poy tiqetai. Einai ena erwthma poy exei na kanei me hqika zhthmata, oxi omws oikonomika zhthmata, hqika, proswpikwn sxesewn. Den qa mpw, loipon, sth diadikasia ayth.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sthn oysia einai synexeia ths erwthshs toy synadelfoy. Den qewrei, dhladh, h kybernhsh oti to zhthma ayto exei kai politikes diastaseis; 'H toylaxiston na to qesw alliws: Thn hmera ths apopeiras aytoktonias toy k Zaxopoyloy bghkate kai eipate oti menoyn polla giati poy prepei na apanthqoyn. Sthn dikh sas, loipon, thn problhmatikh, ayta ta erwthmata apanthqhkan se o,ti afora to skelos toy an h istoria exei na kanei mono me zhthma proswpikhs hqikhs h exei na kanei me ena zhthma eyryterwn ekbiasmwn pros ton k. Zaxopoylo; Sas exei apanthqei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti arxizoyme kai epanalambanoyme erwthmata ta opoia exoyn hdh teqei kai exoyn apanthqei.

ROYMELIWTHS: Pws krinete to gegonos oti ena proswpiko qema, opws to xarakthrizoyn polla stelexh ths kybernhshs, enos prwhn grammatea exei labei tetoies anejelegktes diastaseis h den einai mono proswpiko h exoyn ginei epikoinwniaka laqh sth diaxeirish toy qematos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw genikh krish epi toy qematos. Qa sas pw oti h apanthsh sto giati poy eipa ekeinh thn hmera kai oi apanthseis, perimenoyme na doqoyn apo thn ereyna twn armodiwn arxwn.

KOYTRAS: Se ena allo qema. Yparxei kapoio sxolio gia th symperifora toy k. Karaogloy sto sabbatiatiko agwna metajy Olympiakoy kai Hraklh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epikoinwnhsa shmera mazi toy gia na ton rwthsw ti akribws synebh. Moy eipe oti niwqei syntetrimmenos kai exei metaniwsei gia thn prajh toy. Exei kanei hdh mia sxetikh dhlwsh metanoias kai syggnwmhs pros toys polites ennow. Giati panw apo ola exei na kanei me toys polites. Den exei na kanei me thn kybernhsh h me to komma. Qa meinw se ayto.

MPOTSARAKOS: Dyo erwthseis an moy epitrepete, h prwth afora thn ypoqesh sxetika me thn paraithsh toy k. Zaxopoyloy. Asxeta me to gia poioys logoys zhthse na paraithqei o k. Zaxopoylos epikaloymenos logoys ygeias, h kybernhsh me poio skeptiko ekane apodekth thn paraithsh toy; Me bash toys logoys ygeias poy epikalesthke h me bash ola ta ypoloipa poy hrqan sth synexeia sth dhmosiothta h estw kapoia apo ayta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me bash toys logoys poy epikalesthke o k. Zaxopoylos.

KALKALIAS: Hqela na rwthsw an o Prwqypoyrgos exei dei to sygkekrimeno DVD.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

MPOTSARAKOS: Yparxei ena qema sxetika me toys seismoys tis teleytaies hmeres kai pera apo tis kontres twn seismologwn, poy den aforoyn edw thn aiqoysa, proekyce to ejhs: Oti kapoios seismologos, o k. Papazaxos exei kanei kapoia meleth, kapoia problech gia dyo megaloys seismoys ta epomena xronia sthn Ellada kai malista eipe o idios oti exei enhmerwsei armodiws tis Arxes, ennowntas profanws to ypoyrgeio poy proistatai. Qelw na rwthsw einai ypoch ths kybernhshs kapoies tetoies probleceis. Den qa hqela na mas peite poy einai, giati fantazomai den qa to peite, alla yparxoyn tetoies probleceis kai lambanontai metra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio kai se kaqe periptwsh qa sas parapemcw sto armodio ypoyrgeio, kaqoson qewrw oti einai ena poly ejeidikeymeno qema. Afora men oloys mas alla antilambaneste to na mpw se mia diadikasia eikasiwn, eikotologiwn h amfisbhthshs oti eis epirrwsin kapoiwn episthmonikwn ereynwn, den qa bohqhsw sthn katastash.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge stelexh sas, anamesa toys kai o k. Giannhs Manwlhs, exoyn pei oti oi chfoforoi ths Neas Dhmokratias, h bash ths paratajhs aisqanetai prin apo ligo kairo apo thn ypoqesh Barqolomaioy twra apo thn ypoqesh Zaxopoyloy, prosbeblhmenos, einai aganaktismenos, einai pikramenos. H kybernhsh yioqetei thn idia apoch;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw kanena sxolio. Anaferqhka prohgoymenws legontas ti tajews zhthma einai. Qa kanw, paroti den to synhqizw, proswpikh parathrhsh kai ennow ayth poy moy bgainei ayqormhta ws anqrwpos. Se opoiadhpote kinhsh toy o kaqenas, eidika otan einai sthn politikh, gnwrizei oti brisketai katw apo to fws ths dhmosiothtas. O anamarthtos prwtos ton liqo balletw. Kai den anaferetai ston k. Manwlh, ayto gia na mh parejhghqei. To jekaqarizw, gia na mhn arxisei kapoia kainoyrgia senariologia, oti ayto htan apanthsh ston k. Manwlh, kai ti ennooyse o Ekproswpos klp. Pros Qeoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe to PASOK se ayth thn ypoqesh milaei gia Majimoy-gate kai o arxhgos toy me synenteyjh poy edwse xqes kai shmera ektos apo ayth thn ypoqesh to genikeyei kai milaei gia tsoybali skandalwn apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs. Ti apantate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa legontas, oti to PASOK asxoleitai me mikropolitikh. Ean exei to opoiodhpote stoixeio to opoio qa mporoyse na syneisferei sthn ereyna ayths ths ypoqeshs, kalo qa htan na to proskomisei.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti h kybernhsh ekane apodekth th paraithsh toy k. Zaxopoyloy gia logoys ygeias. Taytoxrona milhsate kai gia zhthma proswpikhs hqikhs. Ti apo ta dyo isxyei; Kai otan paraithqhke o k. Zaxopoylos...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati o syndyasmos apanthsewn se diaforetikes erwthseis, opws jerete ws empeiros dhmosiografos, odhgei sigoyra se laqos symperasmata.

KAKALHS: Den to jekaqarizete gia ayto yparxei h sysxetish. Einai eylogh h sysxetish.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite dhladh;

KAKALHS: Den jekaqarizete an einai qema politikoy ekbiasmoy h kapoio qema proswpikhs hqikhs. Ayto den to jekaqarizete...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite. Den eteqh etsi to qema.

KAKALHS: Etsi eteqh eyqews h erwthsh apo emena prohgoymenws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H erwthsh, toylaxiston poy moy eteqh apo dyo synadelfoys sas peri proswpikhs hqikhs kai dhlwsewn allwn stelexwn gia ayto to zhthma, phre thn apanthsh thn opoia edwsa kai den syndyazetai me ayto to opoio eipate eseis.

An qelete na qesete ek neoy thn erwthsh sas gia na thn qymhqw kai na sas dwsw mia apanthsh kai pali...

KAKALHS: H erwthsh moy htan safhs prohgoymenws. O idios o k. Zaxopoylos milage gia politiko ekbiasmo. Taytoxrona h kybernhtikh topoqethsh htan oti prokeitai gia proswpiko zhthma kai den exei politikes diastaseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth thn topoqethsh poy lete poios thn ekane;

KAKALHS: Ola ta stelexh poy exoyn milhsei mexri twra, ypoyrgoi klp gia proswpiko zhthma milane.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwtate emena me thn idiothta toy kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy. Epanefera loipon shmera th dhlwsh thn opoia ekana peripoy pro triwn ebdomadwn, otan jekinhse ayth h ypoqesh, ejw apo thn Boylh.

KAKALHS: Nai. Exoyn milhsei kai alloi ypoyrgoi. Exei milhsei kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs, exoyn milhsei kai alloi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw: Epeidh rwtate emena, ws kybernhtiko ekproswpo, janalew: Epanefera th dhlwsh thn opoia ekana prin apo treis ebdomades ejw apo thn Boylh kai isxyei sto akeraio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa moy epitrecete, na epimeinw. Den qewreite oti yparxei qema ekbiasmoy sthn istoria ayth toy k. Zaxopoyloy me qyma ton idio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mono mia epishmansh. An qelete na dieykrinisete ayto poy eipate gia to ``anamarthtos prwtos ton liqo balletw'' gia na mhn yparxoyn parermhneies.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti einai mia genikh anafora. Malista espeysa na pw oti den anaferetai se kanena sygkekrimeno...

FANIDHS: Nai, eipate gia ton k. Manwlh, oti den anafereste se ayton.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se kanenan sygkekrimeno kai milaw gia zhthmata proswpikhs hqikhs, opws ayta.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh yparxoyn diistamenes plhrofories gia to pote ypeblhqh h paraithsh toy k. Zaxopoyloy kai menei na jekaqaristei pros xarh ths istorikhs akribeias estw. O k. Zaxopoylos, epeidh oi plhrofories ton eferan na paraiteitai to brady ths Triths 18 Dekembrioy, enw h paraithsh toy ypeblhqh epishmws thn Tetarth 19 Dekembrioy. Qelw na rwthsw pote akribws ypebale thn paraithsh toy o k. Zaxopoylos kai epishmws pote thn kateqese.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto to opoio exei katagrafei, hdh, istorika, opws eipate kai eseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den nomizw na exei katagrafei. Me sygxwreite.

KORAH: O Proedros toy PASOK o k. G. Papandreoy, se synenteyjh toy sthn ``ELEYQEROTYPIA'' tonizei oti epi twn hmerwn ths Neas Dhmokratias h shch kai h diafqora sthn Ellada exei ftasei sto aproxwrhto. Qa hqela ena sxolio sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Papandreoy einai o teleytaios poy dikaioytai na omilei. Kai ayto, dioti qemata shchs kai diafqoras se oti afora oikonomika kai alla zhthmata, ta eidame, epi seira etwn, stis kybernhseis toy PASOK. Gnwrizoyme poly kala poios htan ekeinos o opoios sygkalypte mia seira apo ypoqeseis kai blepoyme poioi einai ekeinoi oi opoioi to paramikro to stelnoyn oi idioi ston eisaggelea xwris na epikaloyntai to geniko kai aoristo poy legotan tote ``an exete kapoia stoixeia''. Ayth einai h apanthsh moy ston k. Papandreoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe eipate oti o k. Zaxopoylos ypebale thn paraithsh toy gia logoys ygeias kai egine dekth apo thn kybernhsh gia logoys ygeias. Menei ena erwthma. Gia thn kybernhsh einai apodokimastea h en genei symperifora toy k. Zaxopoyloy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti exw apanthsei se para polles erwthseis oi opoies odhgoyn sto erwthma poy kanate.

Sas eyxaristw.

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