Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-01-08

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 8 Ianoyarioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 114971650

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 8 Ianoyarioy 2008

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligo h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, sthn opoia, opws sas eixa pei apo xqes, oi Ypoyrgoi Oikonomias, k. Giwrgos Alogoskoyfhs kai Anaptyjhs k. Xrhstos Fwlias enhmerwsan gia tis oikonomikes ejelijeis kai th dieqnh sygkyria. Kai oi dyo ypoyrgoi exoyn probei se dhlwseis, ejerxomenoi toy Megaroy Majimoy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, symfwna me osa gnwrizete, exei labei klhsh apo ton Anakrith gia symplhrwmatikh kataqesh o Dieyqynths toy Grafeioy Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio.

GKOYTZANHS: Efoson klhqei, qa proselqei na kataqesei jana;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeitai.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ektos apo ton k. Andriano, yparxei allos sto Megaro Majimoy poy eite eide to DVD eite jerei thn phgh eite symmeteixe sto xeirismo ths olhs ypoqeshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An qymamai kala, xqes hsastan sto press-room kai apanthsa se ayth thn erwthsh.

KAKALHS: Poy apodidei h kybernhsh th ragdaia epideinwsh ths eklogikhs ths epirrohs kai eikonas; Sthn ypoqesh Zaxopoyloy h taytoxrona sta antiasfalistika metra poy prowqei, thn akribeia poy sarwnei ta laika eisodhmata, th ftwxeia poy diarkws aplwnetai, tis idiwtikopoihseis poy kanei h kybernhsh; Poy akribws apodidete ayth th ragdaia fqora ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete poly kala th qesh moy gia tis metrhseis ths koinhs gnwmhs, tis opoies xrhsimopoioyme ws ergaleia doyleias. Xronia oloklhra epanalambanw ayth th qesh. H anafora sas se mia seira apo zhthmata ta opoia briskw idiaitera endiaferonta, einai mia anafora poy krinw oti xarakthrizetai apo yperbolh. Se o,ti afora ta zhthmata toy plhqwrismoy kai ths akribeias -yparxoyn tetoia zhthmata- einai pragmatikes aytes oi anafores. Kata ta loipa, gia tis idiwtikopoihseis kai ola ayta poy eipate, nomizw oti einai mia teleiws diaforetikh politikh sxolh skechs, h opoia den me briskei symfwno.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, an moy epitrepete: Epi ths oysias rwthsa egw. Den payei na isxyei to gegonos oti mesa se enamisi mhna, poso einai, apo to prohgoymeno gkalop, exei pesei epta monades h Nea Dhmokratia kai apo tis ekloges kata poly perissotero.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete poly kala -epanalambanw- thn apoch moy gia tis dhmoskophseis. Den qa thn allajw shmera.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se synexeia ths erwthshs toy synadelfoy k. Gkoytzanh, o k. Andrianos qa epikalestei kai allh mia fora to dhmosiografiko aporrhto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei hdh apo xqes. Se erwthseis me ``ean'', opws gnwrizete, den apantw pote.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mas eipate xqes, oti apo thn ereyna poy exete kanei mexri stigmhs sto Ypoyrgeio Politismoy, den exei prokycei sfalma gia ton k. Zaxopoylo. Mporeite na mas peite apo poioys exei ginei ayth h ereyna;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai ayto to eipa kai xqes sth dhlwsh moy.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, enas logos poly sobaros, gia ton opoio pisteyw kai h koinh gnwmh qa hqele na maqei poios dhmosiografos paredwse to epimaxo DVD sthn kybernhsh, sto steno synergath toy Prwqypoyrgoy ton k. Andriano, einai giati yparxoyn kapoies ypocies kai skies oti exei ginei kapoia mystikh symfwnia. Ti apanthsh dinete se ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me poion dhladh exei ginei symfwnia;

KORAH: Anamesa sthn kybernhsh kai sto sygkekrimeno dhmosiografo...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti eidoys symfwnia;

KORAH: ..o opoios eite qelhse, as poyme, na prosferei yphresies sthn kybernhsh, eite h kybernhsh ekane kapoia symfwnia mazi toy giati endexomenws eixe kapoia eidoys synergasia me to Dhmosio, den mporoyme na jeroyme emeis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ara, mpainete sto epipedo ths senariologias. Sto epipedo ayto, qa moy epitrecete egw na mhn mpw.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, alhqeyoyn oi plhrofories oti prin apopeiraqei na aytoktonhsei o k. Zaxopoylos, o proistamenos Ypoyrgos toy k. Liaphs eixe zhthsei thn paraithsh toy h thn apopomph toy apo thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Den isxyei kati tetoio.

KAKALHS: Pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti h syntriptikh pleiochfia ths koinhs gnwmhs aporriptei toys dikoys sas isxyrismoys gia thn ypoqesh Zaxopoyloy; Dhladh, oktw stoys deka qewroyn oti einai politiko zhthma kai den einai mia roz istoria, opws prowqeitai apo th meria...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi dhlwseis poy exoyn ginei apo emena alla kai apo alloys ypoyrgoys, exoyn xarakthrisei thn ypoqesh. H pleiochfia ths koinhs gnwmhs sthn ereyna thn opoia moy anaferate, dinei mia apanthsh. Egw sebomai thn apanthsh ayth, opws sebomai kaqe ergaleio doyleias antistoixo -to exw janapei- poy afora th metrhsh ths koinhs gnwmhs.

NASSOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate xqes, oti h kybernhsh enhmerwqhke gia prwth fora oti htan qyma ekbiasmoy o k. Zaxopoylos, meta to meshmeri ths Pempths poy ekane thn kinhsh poy ekane, thn apopeira aytoktonias. Anarwtiemai gia to ejhs: O k. Andrianos, th Deytera poy parelabe to DVD, stis 17 Dekembrioy, den enhmerwse thn kybernhsh, to Majimoy, ton Prwqypoyrgo, oti m` ayto to yliko ekbiazetai o tote Genikos Grammateas toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai eseis hsaste parwn xqes, kai exw apanthsei sto erwthma sas.

TSIOYFOS: Peste moy kati. Otan o k. Andrianos apofasise na paradwsei, thn epomenh ths apopeiras, to DVD ston Eisaggelea, ayto to ekane aytoboylws h me th symfwnh gnwmh toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite ean erwthse ton Prwqypoyrgo;

TSIOYFOS: Nai, profanws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Andrianos, opws gnwrizete poly kala, einai enas anqrwpos enhlikas, o opoios exei mia empeiria sth zwh, exei mia qesh sthn koinwnia kai epraje opws eprepe na prajei.

TSIOYFOS: Den moy apanthsate. Rwthse ton Prwqypoyrgo h enhrghse aytoboylws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me rwthsate an phre thn adeia toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

TSIOYFOS: An erwthse ``na to kataqesw h oxi'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: S` ayth thn kybernhsh ta stelexh ta opoia diakrinontai gia to hqos toys kai giati sebontai ton eayto toys, den xreiazetai na paroyn adeia gia na kanoyn kati nomimo. Kai ayto einai kati to opoio exei empneysei o idios o Prwqypoyrgos.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den jerw an exete akoysei tis xqesines topoqethseis toy k. Tatoylh, o opoios dietelese Yfypoyrgos Politismoy, thn periodo poy o k. Zaxopoylos htan Genikos Grammateas. Kai epeidh xqes epikalesthkate tis apoceis ths hgesias toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy h kapoiwn empeirwn eidhmonwn oti den exei yparjei kapoio sfalma h kapoies paratypies, egw qa epikalestw tis apoceis poy diatypwse o k. Tatoylhs, oti exoyn yparjei paranomes proslhceis epi twn hmerwn Zaxopoyloy, oti exoyn ginei paratypes symbaseis kai ola ayta. Exei diereynhsei h kybernhsh tis kataggelies toy prwhn Yfypoyrgoy Politismoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw ypoch moy kapoies paranomes symbaseis, opws lete eseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia tis ypoloipes, gia tis paranomes proslhceis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw ypoch moy kati paranomo.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, 22 boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos zhthsan na ginei ereyna sto Ypoyrgeio Politismoy apo to 1996. Dinetai h entypwsh mias epixeirhshs symchfismoy, me ta osa synebhsan epi twn hmerwn ths N.D.. Den symfwneite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exete kapoio sxolio, sas problhmatizei h shmantikh ptwsh poy katagrafoyn ta pososta ths kybernwsas paratajhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me rwthse dyo fores o k. Kakalhs gia to qema ayto.

NASOPOYLOS: Na epanelqw kyrie Ypoyrge, gia na ginei katanohto, toylaxiston se mena: H kybernhsh enhmerwqhke, oti einai qyma ekbiasmoy o k. Zaxopoylos, thn Pempth to meshmeri h gnwrize apo th Deytera to meshmeri;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei apo xqes sthn erwthsh ayth.

KORAH: Qa hqela ligo, an exete na mas peite dyo logia gia thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph. An mporeite na mas apanthsete sto erwthma poso zofero perigrafetai to periballon gia ta ellhnika noikokyria, meta kai tis dieqneis oikonomikes sygkyries kai tis ayjhseis poy qa akoloyqhsoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizw oti o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn entos ths ebdomadas qa dwsei analytikh synenteyjh Typoy me aformh ayto to qema, to opoio, bebaiws, mas afora oloys. Jekina apo tis dieqneis oikonomikes synqhkes. Einai dyskoles oi dieqneis oikonomikes synqhkes. H oikonomia mas xarh stis metarryqmistikes prospaqeies poy exoyn ginei ta teleytaia, sxedon, tessera xronia, brisketai se kalo epipedo. Antimetwpizoyme ta zhthmata me cyxraimia. Kai ta antimetwpizoyme me tis kalyteres dynates proypoqeseis gia thn epilysh problhmatwn en th gennesei toys. Antilambanetai kapoios oti oi dieqneis sygkyries einai poly diaforetikes apo to parelqon. Opws gia paradeigma h ayjhsh ths timhs toy petrelaioy, h idiaiterh zhthsh sithrwn, h opoia exei ayjhqei para poly se xwres opws h Kina kai h India, ekei poy sto parelqon htan apo mhdaminh ews mhdenikh, h idiaiterh zhthsh gia ta biokaysima, giati xrhsimopoieitai ena poly megalo pososto, opws eixa thn eykairia na sas pw kai se allh periptwsh. Stis Hnwmenes Politeies nomizw oti einai sto 20% ths paragwghs twn sithrwn gia ta biokaysima pleon. Kai milaw mono gia ena kommati poy afora ta trofima. Giati yparxei kai ena allo kommati to opoio afora ta xrhmatopistwtika idrymata kai synqhkes poy dhmioyrghqhkan to teleytaio diasthma, idiws se daneiakes anagkes, se daneia stegastika, se omologa, se nees agores, se nea problhmata mazi me aytes tis agores. H shmerinh, loipon, katastash perigrafetai dieqnws ws dyskolh katastash. Prospaqoyme me bash aytes tis metarryqmistikes kinhseis poy exoyme kanei na krathsoyme ta epipeda ths oikonomias mas ekei, dhladh se ryqmoys anaptyjhs sto 4%. Na krathsoyme oso ginetai xamhlotera ton plhqwrismo. Se o,ti afora ton plhqwrismo, exoyme ayjhsh. Se o,ti afora thn akribeia sthn agora, epishs exoyme akribeia sthn agora. Ekeino poy to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs exei epifortistei einai na enteinei akomh perissotero toys elegxoys, oxi mono sthn agora kai sto katasthma to opoio poylaei to proion ston teliko apodekth, ton katanalwth, alla kai stis megales etaireies eite einai etaireies paragwghs eite etaireies mesazontwn. Mia seira apo tetoies energeies, qa einai se qesh na anakoinwsei pio analytika kai o Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs, entos toy mhna.

KORAH: Thn eisodhmatikh politikh ths kybernhshs qa thn elegjete h qa epimeinei h kybernhsh stis poly mikres ayjhseis stoys misqoys kai stis syntajeis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to qema toy plhqwrismoy, twn ayjhsewn, epeidh efetos einai kai mia xronia syzhthsewn twn syllogikwn symbasewn, dhmioyrgoyntai synqhkes oi opoies einai enos spiral qa legame. Dhladh, synqhkes poy analoga me tis ayjhseis poy dineis se enan tomea  kai den einai qema ths kybernhshs, einai qema diapragmateyshs, opws jerete, twn forewn- mporei na yparxoyn epiptwseis mikroteres h megalyteres se alloys tomeis. Gia paradeigma, megales ayjhseis -tis opoies oloi qeloyme- mporoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn epiptwseis sthn paragwgh toy proiontos, sthn timh ths paragwghs toy proiontos, sthn timh pwlhshs toy proiontos. Ara, ayto na ginei enas faylos kyklos kai na epistrecei ayth h ayjhsh sto misqo se ayjhsh sthn timh toy proiontos ston katanalwth. Den shmainei oti den qa ginoyn ayjhseis. Aplws lew oti qa prepei na antimetwpisoyme to fainomeno ayto me idiaiterh prosoxh. Oi epaiontes fysika peri ta oikonomika  kai den milaw mono gia ta kybernhtika stelexh, alla milaw kai gia oloys toys syllogikoys foreis- gnwrizoyn kalytera ayta ta opoia anaferw twra kai osoi ej ymwn einai gnwstes twn qematwn aytwn, ta gnwrizoyn kalytera. Einai mia periodos h opoia xreiazetai para poly prosoxh. Einai mia dyskolh periodos.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ean perasete to brady apo thn plateia Omonoias qa deite arketoys xrhstes narkwtikwn. Xqes, eixame kai ena qanato 14xronhs sthn Ptolemaida apo kokainh. Ti exei kanei ayth h kybernhsh ta teleytaia tessera xronia gia thn antimetwpish ayths ths mastigas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eimai se qesh na sas dwsw analytiko programma twn drasewn. Exei ginei mia seira apo energeies apo ta armodia ypoyrgeia ta teleytaia 3,5 xronia, oi opoies hrqan na enisxysoyn energeies poy kanei h ellhnikh Politeia epi seira etwn gia thn katapolemhsh ths mastigas twn narkwtikwn. Giati ayto to qema den afora ws koinwniko zhthma mia kybernhsh mono, afora oloys toys polites, afora oles tis politikes dynameis. H prospaqeia einai diarkhs. Ean sas endiaferoyn perissotera stoixeia, mporw na sas promhqeysw kapoia se allh synanthsh mas, endexomenws ayrio, afoy prohgoymenws enhmerwqw kai egw kalytera apo ta armodia ypoyrgeia. Pantws, se kaqe periptwsh, oloi mas ekfrazoyme apotropiasmo gia to qanato toy opoioydhpote, poly perissotero enos neoy paidioy, apo ta narkwtika. H Astynomia, ej oswn gnwrizw -kai enhmerwqhka apo ton Ekproswpo ths Astynomias sthn prwinh syskech toy Zappeioy- exei syllabei hdh ton emporo narkwtikwn. H maxh ths Astynomias kata twn narkwtikwn epishs exei apotelesmata se ena poly megalo pososto, ta opoia apotelesmata qa eimai se qesh na sas ta dwsw ayrio, efoson prolabainw na syllejw ola ayta ta stoixeia.

KAKALHS: Milhsate prohgoymenws gia faylo kyklo, ton opoio apodwsate emmesa sthn ayjhsh twn misqwn pragma to opoio den epibebaiwnetai apo thn pragmatikothta, giati oi ayjhseis poy doqhkan stoys misqoys ta prohgoymena xronia einai toso katw apo thn ayjhsh toy AEP, toso katw apo thn paragwgikothta, enw antiqeta ekeino poy den ypologisate kaqoloy einai h ayjhsh twn yperkerdwn twn etaireiwn, oi opoies eyqynontai kyriws gi` ayth thn ayjhsh, gi` ayto to faylo kyklo poy anaferate. Sta kerdh, dhladh, den blepete eseis periqwrio sympieshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti hmoyn poly prosektikos se ayta poy eipa sth diatypwsh moy. Anaferqhka ston kindyno -idiws se mia periodo, elpizoyme, proswrinhs ejarshs dieqnws toy plhqwrismoy- na dhmioyrghqei aytos o faylos kyklos, o opoios qa odhghsei se anatrofodothsh toy plhqwrismoy. Kai eipa sto telos oti den mila kapoios gia to oti den qa ginoyn ayjhseis. Pros Qeoy! Eipa oti qa ginoyn oi ayjhseis katopin twn syllogikwn diapragmateysewn, alla qa prepei kapoios se ayth th sygkyria -otan dieqnws o plhqwrismos einai poly ychlos kai otan ola ta ypoloipa poy periegraca exoyn odhghsei se krisimes katastaseis polles oikonomies toy kosmoy- na eimaste prosektikoi wste na mhn ftasoyme sthn anatrofodothsh toy plhqwrismoy. Dhladh, na mhn ftasoyme se ena shmeio opoy to teliko proion qa akribynei mono kai mono ejaitias -h en pollois ejaitias- aytwn twn ayjhsewn. Oi ayjhseis qa ginoyn, alla qa einai se logika plaisia.

KAKALHS: Alla sto onoma toy na mhn ayjhqei to teliko proion, lete oti prepei na thn plhrwsoyn to kommati poy paei stoys misqoys twn ergazomenwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma, an ayjhqei to teliko proion den qa thn plhrwsei o kaqe ergazomenos poy qa paei na agorasei sto soyper market to proion ayto;

KAKALHS: Aytoi thn plhrwnoyn tosa xronia kai antiqeta ayjanontai ta kerdh. Ayto den to blepei h kybernhsh kaqoloy. Ta prohgoymena xronia eixame apwleia sto pragmatiko eisodhma twn ergazomenwn, se polles periptwseis kai ayto den to blepei h kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete oti oi mhxanismoi elegxoy se mia sygxronh Dhmokratia eyrwpaikoy typoy, opws einai h dikh mas, einai mhxanismoi toys opoioys exei sta xeria ths h kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na elegjei, sto pososto poy ths analogei pia sth sygxronh agora, thn akribeia. Kai elegxetai mono h kerdoskopia, elegxetai monon h prospaqeia orismenwn na kerdoskophsoyn panw se ena proion h elegxetai -oxi monon- kai h prospaqeia na ginoyn politikes metajy etaireiwn oi opoies odhgoyn se kartel k.o.k. Yparxei mia seira mhxanismwn, opws einai oi mhxanismoi elegxoy toy ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, oi mhxanismoi elegxoy twn Nomarxiwn, an milame gia trofima, opws einai o mhxanismos elegxoy apo thn Epitroph Antagwnismoy, poy ayth th doyleia exoyn, se ayto synteinoyn.

GKOYTZANHS: Perigracate mia arnhtikh dieqnh sygkyria. Ayth h dieqnhs sygkyria askei pieseis kai sta dhmosia oikonomika. Skeftetai h kybernhsh diorqwtika metra kata th diarkeia toy 2008, opws peraiterw ayjhsh emmeswn forwn h ayjhsh toy FPA h kati allo endexomenws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Sas qymizw oti eixe ginei mia poly makra syzhthsh ligo meta tis ekloges gi` ayto to qema. Exoyn perasei hdh sxedon tesseris mhnes apo tote kai to ``oxi'', to opoio eixa pei kai tote, paramenei kai shmera en isxy.

GKOYTZANHS: Yparxoyn kainoyrgia stoixeia (den akoygetai)

ROYSOPOYLOS: Symplhrwsa, opws prosejate prohgoymenws, dyo fores, oti oi metarryqmistikes kinhseis poy exoyn ginei sthn oikonomia, to gegonos oti katebasame arketa to elleimma, to gegonos oti odhghsame thn anaptyjh se pososta panw apo to 4%, otan  qymaste poly kala oloi- to 2004 diafores Kassandres proeblepan mhdenika pososta anaptyjhs. Exoyme kataferei mexri stigmhs na krathsoyme se kala epipeda thn oikonomia mas me syneth diaxeirish twn oikonomikwn. Pisteyw oti den qa xreiastei kati perissotero. H dieqnhs sygkyria einai para poly dyskolh. Sthn paroysa fash den antimetwpizetai tetoio qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa moy epitrecete na epanelqw pali sta erga kai tis hmeres toy k. Zaxopoyloy. Eipate prohgoymenws oti den exete ypoch sas kati paranomo h paratypo. Prosfata, to StE omws akyrwse apofash toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy, h opoia eixe lhfqei  an den kanw laqos- ton Febroyario toy 2006, me thn opoia eixe doqei h adeia gia thn katedafish twn kthriwn sto prwhn ergostasio ths Koloympia. Ayth thn apofash toy ypoyrgeioy Politismoy thn akyrwnei twra to StE. Mono poy h apofash ayth eixe lhfqei me gnwmodothsh toy Kentrikoy Symboylioy Neoterwn Mnhmeiwn sto opoio prohdreye o k. Zaxopoylos. Kai anarwtiemai egw fysiologika: Gia poio logo den perimene to ypoyrgeio Politismoy thn apofash toy StE kai biasthke gia thn katedafish twn kthriwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Paroti einai eidiko qema kai qa hqela ta eidika qemata na ta apeyqynete sta armodia ypoyrgeia, wstoso qa sas dwsw kapoia stoixeia apo thn enhmerwsh poy eixa to prwi, otan rwthsa ton Ekproswpo toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy sth syskech toy Zappeioy: Yparxei mia apofash h opoia proseblhqh ws pros to oti den aitiologhqhke. Dhladh, sthn perioxh thn opoia proanaferate, yparxoyn oktw h ennea  nomizw ennea- kthria ths Koloympia. To ena einai ktismeno to 1935 kai ta ypoloipa einai ola ktismena to 1965 ews kai th dekaetia toy '70. Se o,ti afora, loipon, to ena, to opoio einai palaio -kai exei kai th gnwsth, apo tis fwtografies, se oloys pylh ths etaireias poy leitoyrgoyse epi dekaeties sth xwra mas- h gnwmodothsh htan oti einai diathrhteo kai na mhn gkremistei. Se o,ti afora ta ypoloipa, ta opoia einai ktismata ths dekaetias toy '60 h toy '70, h gnwmodothsh htan oti mporoyn na gkremistoyn apo th stigmh poy den apoteloyn neotera mnhmeia h palaiotera mnhmeia. Einai loipon ktismata 30etias h 35etias. Ayth einai mia poly shmantikh apanthsh. Qa hqela na sas parakalesw, ean qelete opoiesdhpote alles leptomereies, na apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Politismoy. To grafeio Typoy einai sth diaqesh sas, gia na mhn dhmioyrgoyntai entypwseis epi opoiwn qematwn apo opoio ypoyrgeio. Ayto to exw pei kai alles fores sto parelqon.

NASOPOYLOS: O k. Andrianos exei kataqesei oti ligh wra afoy eixe paralabei to DVD kai enw kateyqynotan sto aerodromio gia na synodeysei ton Prwqypoyrgo sth Mosxa, epikoinwnhse me ton dieyqynth toy Politikoy Grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Aggeloy kai ton enhmerwse gia thn yparjh toy DVD. Gnwrizete se ti epipedo kinhqhke ayth h enhmerwsh; Enhmerwqhke o k. Aggeloy oti yparxei ena DVD me ton k. Zaxopoylo; Oti yparxei ena DVD me to opoio ekbiazetai o k. Zaxopoylos; Se ti epipedo exei ginei ayth h enhmerwsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti eixa na pw gi` ayth thn ypoqesh, to eipa xqes.

KAKALHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti sebeste thn apoch ths koinhs gnwmhs. Sebeste kai to 75% poy leei oti h kybernhsh prepei na pei poios edwse to DVD;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti sebomai thn apoch ths koinhs gnwmhs. Alimono! Poios se mia dhmokratikh Politeia den sebetai thn apoch ths koinhs gnwmhs;

KAKALHS: Sthn prajh, pws metafrazetai; Ayto einai sta logia oti th sebeste. To 75% ths koinhs gnwmhs leei oti prepei na peite poios edwse to DVD.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa janarxisoyme thn idia syzhthsh me xqes. Nomizw pws o,ti eixa na pw, to exw pei. Fantazomai oti eseis kai oloi oi paristamenoi se ayth thn aiqoysa, sebontai, se zhthmata hqikhs tajews, zhthmata deontologias, thn apoch toy opoioydhpote synadelfoy toys h synanqrwpoy mas. Egw pantws th sebomai. Ean dhladh o k. Andrianos moy elege oti egw qa elega to onoma kai to eipa to onoma, qa to sebomoyn. Opws sebomai oti den leei to onoma toy dhmosiografoy poy toy edwse to stoixeio ayto. Den katalabainw giati den prepei se zhthmata hqikhs tajhs kai deontologias na sebomaste thn apoch toy alloy. Isa-isa. Nomizw oti exete dwsei maxes gi` ayta ta qemata kai eseis proswpika kai polloi alloi se ayth thn aiqoysa.

KORAH: Parolo ayta epeidh exoyme edw mia ypoqesh, toylaxiston opws emfanizetai mexri twra kai me tis dyo apopeires aytoktonias poy exoyn ginei, ekbiasmoy. Den ektimaei h kybernhsh oti h martyria toy sygkekrimenoy dhmosiografoy qa bohqoyse sto na fwtistei perissotero ayth h ypoqesh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa mpw sthn anakritikh diadikasia, dioti an mpw, qa prepei na sas pw oti kallion olwn twn ypoloipwn h exoysa thn eyqynh gia th binteoskophsh, gnwrizei se poioys dhmosiografoys to exei dwsei. Opws kai oi dikhgoroi oi opoioi thn akoloyqoysan h o dikhgoros o opoios thn akoloyqoyse se kanalia, dhmosiografika grafeia klp. Gnwrizoyn loipon, aytoi oi opoioi exoyn thn eyqynh ths binteoskophshs kai exoyn jekinhsei ayth thn istoria se poioys exoyn dwsei ta DVD h an exoyn dwsei kai opoiodhpote allo yliko. Den qa mpw omws sth diadikasia ayth giati den einai diko moy ergo. Ayti einai ergo toy anakrith.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe xqes o eisaggeleas Prwtodikwn Qessalonikhs, o k. Basilhs Flwridhs, poy profanws den dexqhke th dhlwsh metanoias kai sygnwmhs toy boyleyth ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Karaogloy, zhthse th dienergeia proanakrishs gia to symban. Dhladh gia thn eisbolh toy k. Karaogloy ston agwnistiko xwro, ston agwna Hraklh-Olympiakoy, to Sabbato. Qelw loipon na rwthsw to ejhs: Epeidh an prokycoyn eyqynes apo thn proanakritikh diadikasia, qa zhthqei h syndromh ths Boylhs wste na arqei h asylia toy k. Karaogloy kai na antimetwpisei tis synepeies poy antimetwpizoyn oloi oi polites. Edw yparxei omws to ejhs zhthma, nomizw, gia thn kybernhsh, sthn periptwsh ayth o neos aqlhtikos nomos einai safhs. Problepei ejamhnh fylakish xwris dikaiwma anastolhs ektishs ths poinhs h xwris dikaiwma efeshs. Antilambaneste loipon oti endexetai na doyme ton prwto boyleyth sta kagkela ths fylakhs. Yparxei loipon qema gia ton Prwqypoyrgo; Peribalei akoma me empistosynh ton k. Karaogloy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete kanei mia makra se syllogistikh erwthsh h opoia fantazomai emperiexei stoixeia akribeias. Ekeino to opoio qelw na sas pw egw einai oti emeis sebomaste thn Dikaiosynh kai ayto isxyei se oles tis periptwseis. Ara loipon ayto poy kanei h anejarthth Dikaiosynh exei tropo na leitoyrghsei. Sth synexeia, sas ypenqymizw oti yparxoyn diadikasies oi opoies exoyn kaqoristei apo thn Boylh twn Ellhnwn gia tis opoies -efoson ftasei sth Boylh kapoio eggrafo aithshs anastolhs asylias toy opoioydhpote boyleyth- akoloyqoyntai kai malista exoyn ginei poly pio aysthres ta teleytaia xronia. Den exw na pw tipota perissotero kaqoson antilambaneste oti qa mpw se mia logikh ypoqeshs kai pote den exw apanthsei se ypoqetikes erwthseis.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epanerxomai sto qema Zaxopoyloy. Exete mia politikh ejhghsh gia th shmerinh eikona: Oydeis ek twn koryfaiwn ths kybernhshs, oydeis ek twn Ypoyrgwn poy metexoyn sth kybernhtikh epitroph na mhn einai diateqeimenos na kanei, an oxi dhlwseis, estw mia syzhthsh gia thn genikh politikh epikairothta, peran dhladh toy qematos poy apasxolhse thn Kybernhtikh epitroph;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai poly piqanon kai profanes oti exei kalyfqei to qema apo tis dhlwseis poy exoyn ginei mexri twra kai apo toys alloys Ypoyrgoys alla kai apo ton ypofainomeno.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe xqes rwthqhkate gia thn periptwsh toy k. Karaogloy kai eipate oti epikoinwnhsate mazi toy kai oti eixate thn entypwsh oti einai syntetrimmenos, zhthse sygnwmh klp. Ligo argotera, diabasa mia apomagnhtofwnhsh radiofwnikhs toy synenteyjhs. Ekei rwthqhke o k. Karaogloy ean epikoinwnhse kapoios mazi toy, apo to Majimoy. Eipe oti den epikoinwnhse kaneis mazi moy giati, oti ekana den einai kai toso sobaro wste na me paroyn thlefwno.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy perigrafete kapoia gegonota ta opoia, omws, se mia xronikh stigmh endexomenws na sympiptoyn h na mh sympiptoyn. Kata synepeia egw den mporw na parw qesh epi gegonotos poy den gnwrizw. Egw sas lew ayto to opoio synebh xqes.

TSIOYFOS: Einai apomagnhtofwnhsh ths synenteyjhs toy k. Karaogloy ayto poy sas lew.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den amfisbhtw ayto poy moy lete. Alla endexomenws thn wra poy doqhke h synenteyjh sto radiofwno, na mhn eixa epikoinwnhsei akoma mazi toy. Epikoinwnhsa arga to meshmeri, ligo prin erqw sto press room. Mporei o anqrwpos na eixe dwsei th synenteyjh nwritera. Den to jerw. Se kaqe periptwsh, epeidh perimena oti qa moy ginei kapoia erwthsh, opws synhqizw prospaqw na eimai proetoimasmenos. Den eimai panta se ola, alla prospaqw.

KORAH: Gia ton k. Karaogloy. Den fernei se dyskolh qesh th kybernhsh, h opoia apo th mia qelei na dwsei thn eikona oti pairnei metra kata toy xoyligkanismoy kai apo thn allh enas boyleyths ths exei mia symperifora thn opoia katadikazei h kybernhsh. Pws ginetai na mhn yparxei problhma gia thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Syggnwmh, den me rwthsate katarxas an yparxei h den yparxei problhma. Kai na me rwtoysate omws, qa sas elega oti xqes enwpion sas, meta apo thn erwthsh poy moy teqhke, edwsa plhrh ejhghsh twn pragmatwn. Den epidokimazei kapoios tetoies prajeis. Bgalate kapoio tetoio symperasma apo ta osa eipa egw, xqes; Ma kai o idios exei katanohsei kai exei zhthsei syggnwmh dhmosiws.

KAKALHS: Se allo qema hqela na rwthsw. An epibebaiwnete tis plhrofories oti o Prwqypoyrgos sth xqesinh synergasia poy eixe me ton k. Fwlia, edwse to prasino fws gia th strathgikh synergasia ths DEH me thn germanikh etaireia RWE.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me qemata ta opoia exoyn na kanoyn me th DEH, etairika zhthmata k.t.l, asxoleitai o armodios Ypoyrgos. H DEH einai etaireia eishgmenh sto Xrhmatisthrio. Den gnwrizw kan poso kai se poio epipedo ftanei na asxoleitai o armodios Ypoyrgos me tis ependyseis poy kanei h DEH opoydhpote. Ayto einai ena qema to opoio afora prwtistws th DEH kai den ftanei se epipedo Prwqypoyrgoy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe xqes otan sas rwthsa gia to an perikophkan armodiothtes apo ton k. Zaxopoylo stis 19 Noembrioy, moy eipate oti den to gnwrizete. Shmera to gnwrizete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi den to gnwrizw. Den to rwthsa, eilikrina sas lew.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den rwthsate giati ferei thn ypografh toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy toy k. Liaph kai toy k. Alogoskoyfh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to rwthsa. Den to gnwrizw.

Sas eyxaristw.

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