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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 22 Noembrioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 107252942

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 22 Noembrioy 2007

Xairete.

" O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio, stis 10.30, qa parastei sth Boylh opoy qa apanthsei se erwthseis koinoboyleytikoy elegxoy sthn ``Wra toy Prwqypoyrgoy''. Stis 12.00, qa synanthqei, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Epitropo Ygeias k. Marko Kyprianoy. Stis 13.00, qa synanthqei me ton Ypoyrgo Amynas ths Gallias k. Erbe Moren.

" O Ypoyrgos Periballontos Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn k. G. Soyflias ypegrace kai prowqhse sth Boylh tropologia gia thn katedafish, xwris dikaiwma anastolhs, twn ayqairetwn ktismatwn se ektaseis poy khryssontai anadaswtees.

Mexri shmera eixe diapistwqei oti, se polles periptwseis, osoi proebainan se anegersh ayqairetwn ktismatwn se dash h dasikes perioxes poy eixan anakhryxqei anadaswtees, epitygxanan thn anastolh ekteleshs apofasewn katedafishs me thn askhsh prosfygwn h aithsewn enwpion twn dioikhtikwn kai dikastikwn Arxwn. Me thn tropologia poy prowqeitai sth Boylh ayto den einai pleon efikto, se o,ti afora tis perioxes poy khryxqhkan anadaswtees, meta tis pyrkagies toy 2007 kai se kaqe periptwsh pyrkagias sto mellon.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qewreite oti mia mesh syntajh 1.342,46 eyrw poy pairnei enas dhmosiografos meta apo polla xronia doyleias, xwris Sabbatokyriaka -opws jerete dioti yphrjate dhmosiografos- kai me poly agria wraria, ton kanei na aisqanetai pronomioyxos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite thn proswpikh moy apoch h thn apoch ths kybernhshs gi` ayto; Giati, opws gnwrizete, edw den ekferw proswpikh apoch.

KORAH: Thn apoch ths kybernhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na kanete thn erwthsh sas pio sygkekrimenh; Eipe kapoios oti einai pronomioyxos enas dhmosiografos poy pairnei ayta ta xrhmata; Moy zhtate na apanthsw emmesws kapoy alloy gia na to katalabw kala;

KORAH: Na sas kanw kai allh erwthsh, amesws. Oi topoqethseis sas, xqes edw sto briefing...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Porrw apexoyn apo thn prwth sas erwthsh.

KORAH: Wraia. Oxi, allazw to qema. Giati moy dinete thn entypwsh oti den einai katanohth h prwth moy erwthsh. Na synexisw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw.

KORAH: Xqes, loipon, h ESHEA, parakoloyqwntas tis dhlwseis poy kanate edw sto briefing kai se sxesh me ta aithmata twn dhmosiografwn se o,ti afora to Tameio toys, prokalese anakoinwsh sthn opoia malista apokalei ``sobarotato atophma'' aytes tis dhlwseis. Ena prwto sxolio gi` ayto kai meta na ginw pio eidikh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sth Dhmokratia to megaleio egkeitai sto oti kaqenas mporei na diatypwsei eleyqera thn apoch toy. Einai shmantiko, bebaiws, na mporei na krinei kapoios, me bash ta stoixeia ta opoia exei sth diaqesh toy kai oxi genikws kai aoristws. Exete allh erwthsh;

KORAH: Me bash ta stoixeia poy exw, epanerxomai sto prwto moy erwthma: Qewreitai kapoios  den exei shmasia an einai kapoios dhmosiografos h opoiosdhpote allos- exei shmera mia mesh syntajh 1342,46 eyrw kai malista me poly sklhrh doyleia kai xwris Sabbatokyriaka kai me poly agria wraria, einai pronomioyxos h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ean kapoios eipe oti einai pronomioyxos enas dhmosiografos me ayta ta xrhmata. Ean to eipe, den me briskei symfwno. Pantws, egw den to eipa pote ayto, opws diabazw shmera se kapoies efhmerides. Kai parakalw poly na deite to xqesino briefing kai na moy peite poy akribws anaferetai ayth h frash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mas exete mperdecei. O k. Magginas leei alla. Sxedon den eipate ta idia me ton k. Maggina. To problhma einai giati pairnete ta lefta apo to Tameio mas kai ta dinete se alla; Giati ta pairnete ta lefta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eipame kaqoloy alla. Exei hdh pei o k. Magginas sthn ESHEA to ti prokeitai na ginei. Ti dhladh proteinei h kybernhsh na ginei sto dialogo ayto poy arxizei gia to Asfalistiko. Einai shmantiko  kai to epanelabe o k. Magginas, sth synanthsh poy eixe me thn ESHEA, me olh th dynamh ths epixeirhmatologias- oti den qigontai ta katwtata oria. Ayto apanta emmesws kai sto erwthma ths k. Korah, oti den allazei o tropos kai o xronos toy ypologismoy twn syntajewn. Ayto apanta kai pali sto erwthma ths k. Korah, oti ta kinhta kai akinhta perioysiaka stoixeia  na paw twra sth dikh sas erwthsh- kaqe entassomenoy asfalistikoy forea ston eniaio forea poy dhmioyrgeitai, throyntai se ena aytonomo kai diakrito logariasmo. To exei pei ayto o k. Magginas. Apo tis synolikes ependyseis, kaqe ofelos poy qa yparxei, kaqe ofelos poy qa prokyptei, qa epistrefei ston aytonomo logariasmo toy sygkekrimenoy forea. Dhladh, to Tameio twn dhmosiografwn, en prokeimenw -gia na to kanoyme ligo pio liana- ta xrhmata ta opoia exei se kinhth kai akinhth perioysia qa synexisei na ta exei sto plaisio toy eniaioy forea. Kai h ependysh apo ayta, ta kinhta kai ta akinhta, qa erxetai kai pali sto diko toy logariasmo kai den qa phgainei alloy. Ayto to opoio allazei einai oti ena pososto, to 10%, eite toy yper tritwn foroy, eite toy koinwnikoy poroy, eite twn emmeswn ergodotikwn eisforwn, qa phgainei se enan jexwristo logariasmo sthn Trapeza ths Ellados, ston opoio qa syneisferei kai to kratos, h Politeia, etsi wste na antimetwpistoyn elleimmata koinwnikhs asfalishs. Dhladh, ayto poy allazei sto Tameio twn dhmosiografwn, to Tameio Nomikwn -kai twn allwn poy qa metexoyn se ayto to eniaio Tameio poy eipame prohgoymenws- einai oti to 10% toy poroy h twn emmeswn eisforwn qa phgainei se ayto to logariasmo poy sas eipa. Tipote to diaforetiko.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, to Tameio to diko mas paramenei aytonomo kai mono to 10% qa phgainei ekei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ston eniaio forea entassontai ta Tameia poy proteinei h kybernhsh. Kai eipame, ta Tameia twn dhmosiografwn, twn mhxanikwn, dikhgorwn, giatrwn k.t.l. Mesa ston eniaio forea, to kaqe ena Tameio diathrei thn aytonomia ths dikhs toy kinhths kai akinhths perioysias. Efoson ependyontai ta xrhmata apo thn kinhth kai akinhth perioysia, to ofelos, oi tokoi, na to poyme etsi apla, qa epanerxontai sto logariasmo toy enos sygkekrimenoy kommatioy aytoy toy forea, dhladh sto Tameio twn dhmosiografwn, sto Tameio Nomikwn k.o.k. To mono poy allazei einai -eipa kai lew kai pali- oti to 10% toy aggelioshmoy, to 10% toy koinwnikoy poroy, toy foroy yper tritwn, twn emmeswn ergodotikwn eisforwn, qa phgainei se enan jexwristo logariasmo. Kai ayto to 10% qa syneisferei, etsi wste na bohqhqoyn ta Tameia, ta opoia exoyn problhmata. Gia to aggelioshmo, eidika, poy einai to 20% ths diafhmishs, ayto to pososto einai sto 2% toy aggelioshmoy. Ara, loipon, nomizw oti einai safes apo thn hmera poy o k. Magginas episkefqhke thn ESHEA, poies einai oi proqeseis me bash tis skeceis ths kybernhshs. Akoysa kai diabasa diafora pragmata ta opoia den antapokrinontai oyte se ayta poy eipe o k. Magginas ekeinh thn hmera, oyte se ayta poy eipa egw xqes. Alla, opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, sth Dhmokratia kaqenas exei to dikaiwma toy logoy.

ROYMELIWTHS: Pws krinete oti deka stelexh ths ESHEA ekanan koinh epistolh, ektos apo toys 28 ekproswpoys toy Miktoy Symboylioy, me thn parapomph sas sto peiqarxiko ths Enwshs me to aithma ths diagrafhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma, eipa prohgoymenws gia to megaleio ths Dhmokratias.

SARANTAKOS: Hqela na rwthsw, ean epimenete sthn apoch poy diatypwsate xqes oti oi dhmosiografoi asxoloyntai me to qema ``Asfalistiko'', molis jekinhse h episkech, mallon molis egine h episkech toy k. Maggina sta grafeia ths Enwshs Syntaktwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na diabasete ti eipa, xqes. Isxyei sto akeraio.

SARANTAKOS: Epeidh to diabasa dyo fores kai to ``olws tyxaiws'' poy eipate xqes, epishs, den qymaste oti olo ayto to teleytaio diasthma edw kai ena xrono yparxoyn prwtoselida efhmeridwn  kai epikaloymai kai th dikh moy- poy asxoloyntai me to Asfalistiko, oxi giati afora syntexniaka ena qema toys dhmosiografoys, alla...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na sas parakalesw na janadiabasete to briefing kai na diabasete, oxi mono thn apanthsh, alla kai thn erwthsh. Dioti, diabazontas kapoios thn apanthsh, ontws mporei na dhmioyrghsei entypwseis san aytes poy lete eseis. An diabasei, omws, thn erwthsh, h opoia leei epi lejei oti: ``Jekinhsate apo to Tameio twn dhmosiografwn'', tote antilambanetai kapoios oti h apanthsh moy kaqoloy den parapempei sth logikh poy prospaqeite na anaptyjete me thn erwthsh sas. Dioti, h erwthsh toy synadelfoy sas htan safhs.

KAKALHS: Ejyphretei tis epikoinwniakes anagkes ths kybernhshs na bazei sto stoxastro toys dhmosiografoys, prokeimenoy na deijei kai stoys ypoloipoys qigomenoys, ekatontades xiliades qigomenoys asfalismenoys, oti ta bazei me toys isxyroys kai ta ``retire'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh den bazei sto stoxastro kanenan. H kybernhsh me aisqhma eyqynhs, opws kaqe kybernhsh poy asxoleitai me tetoia megala qemata -h opws ofeilei na exei kaqe kybernhsh poy asxoleitai me toso megala qemata- proserxetai se enan dialogo proteinontas tis allages aytes poy prepei na ginoyn, etsi wste to Asfalistiko na einai biwsimo. Proteinontas dhladh allages, oi opoies qa odhghsoyn toys shmerinoys syntajioyxoys na pairnoyn kanonika th syntajh toys, toys ayrianoys syntajioyxoys na pairnoyn kai aytoi kanonika th syntajh toys kai na mhn kindyneysei kanena Tameio kai kanenas syntajioyxos. Ayth einai h logikh twn allagwn, twn metarryqmisewn sto Asfalistiko mas systhma.

KAKALHS: Alla ejantleitai dhladh o stoxos ths kybernhshs sto na dinontai kanonika oi syntajeis, ayto eipate oti einai o stoxos ths metarryqmishs sto Asfalistiko, mexri ekei. Dhladh den einai stoxos na ayjhqoyn oi syntajeis. Gia paradeigma, epeidh o k. Magginas to leei syxna oti stoxos einai na arqoyn oi adikies sto systhma poy yparxei. Den einai adikia to na pairnoyn syntajeis ths peinas 6 stoys 10 syntajioyxoys toy IKA; Ayth thn adikia den qelei na thn arei h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H adikia ayth, opws thn anaferete -kai den qa diafwnhsei kaneis mazi sas oti oi syntajeis einai xamhles- ginetai prospaqeia na diorqwqei me tis diarkeis ayjhseis, tis opoies kai xqes anakoinwsa. H kybernhsh prospaqei na kanei to kalytero efikto sto plaisio ths oikonomikhs dyspragias thn opoia brhke. Oi ayjhseis...

KAKALHS: (den akoygetai)

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite, alla nomizw oti htan safes ayto poy sas eipa xqes kai to exw pei kai thn perasmenh bdomada. Otan ayjanetai to Epidoma Koinwnikhs Allhleggyhs se pososto 18% h otan ayjanontai oi syntajeis toy OGA se pososto 19% h otan ayjanetai to katwtato epidoma ths anergias se pososto 10% ayto einai sthn prajh apodeijh oti h kybernhsh frontizei na enisxysei toys xamhlomisqoys, toys xamhlosyntajioyxoys, na enisxysei toys anqrwpoys oi opoioi exoyn pragmatikh anagkh. Ara loipon h erwthsh sas den antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla ayjanontai taytoxrona oi emmesoi foroi 13,9%, ayjanetai to hlektriko reyma, exei ayjhqei hdh kai qa ayjhqei kata 20%to epomeno diasthma, h qermansh, to petrelaio qermanshs exei ayjhqei kata 20%, ta eidh laikhs diatrofhs exoyn ayjhqei kata 15% me 20%, loipon, poy... .

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayjanetai to aforologhto stis 12.000 eyrw.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate prin apo ligo, oti den qigontai ta katwtata oria stis syntajeis kai den allazei o tropos ypologismoy twn syntajewn...

ROYSOPOYLOS: O xronos ypologismoy. Akribws.

TSIOYFOS: Ap` oti fainetai apo tis protaseis ths kybernhshs, o tropos ypologismoy, pleon, qa ginetai me bash thn teleytaia 10etia, enw sta perissotera Tameia (den akoygetai).

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka sygkekrimena gia to Tameio twn dhmosiografwn kai edwsa apanthsh.

TSIOYFOS: Gia to Tameio twn dhmosiografwn, loipon, isxyei h kalyterh dietia kai kaneis den exei pei an ayto qigetai, an allazei aytos o tropos ypologismoy. Dhladh, poy qa pame; Sthn pentaetia, sth dekaetia poy qa isxysei gia oloys toys alloys; Den einai allagh toy ypologismoy twn syntajewn ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eipe kapoios oti qigetai ayto, opws poly swsta epishmainete. Apo poy bgainei, loipon, to symperasma oti qigetai;

TSIOYFOS: Nomizw oti to eipe o k. Magginas, sthn ESHEA.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete laqos.

TSIOYFOS: Den eipe o k. Magginas sthn ESHEA, oti qa ypologizetai me bash thn teleytaia dekaetia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eixa thn eykairia na epikoinwnhsw polles fores me ton k. Maggina apo thn perasmenh Deytera, poy episkefqhke thn Enwsh Syntaktwn. Ta logia, ta opoia sas eipa, einai kai dika toy logia. Se poio Meso eiste k. Xatzara, exw kairo na sas dw.

XATZARAS: To ERT-ELET ths Korinqoy. Eimai o dieyqynths toy. Xqes, kyrie Ypoyrge eipate oti ena Tameio einai eyrwsto otan ena meros megalo toy ellhnikoy laoy syneisferei se ayto xwris na apolambanei ap` ayto. Anarwtiemai, an jexasate otan hsastan dhmosiografos oti to aggelioshmo einai ergodotikh eisfora. Oi ergodotes mas, oi ekdotes twn efhmeridwn den katabaloyn ergodotikes eisfores. Ayto, giati den to eipate; Qelete na dhmioyrghsete mia eikona pros ton ellhniko lao. Oi ekdotes den plhrwnoyn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diabasate to briefing;

XATZARAS: Afhste to xqesino briefing. Shmera peste moy, eseis th gnwmh sas. Einai to aggelioshmo symbolh se ayto poy den plhrwnoyn oi ergodotes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kyrie Xatzara, diabasate to briefing;

XATZARAS: Plhrws, pente fores.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An to diabasate pente fores, qa sas parakalesw na kanete ton kopo na to diabasete kai mia ekth fora gia na diapistwsete ti akribws dihmeifqh sto dialogo metajy emoy kai toy k. Stamatopoyloy, giati h erwthsh, qymamai poly kala, htan toy k. Stamatopoyloy.

XATZARAS: Apo thn epoxh poy hsastan dhmosiografos, plhrwnoyn oi ergodotes mas eisfora sta Tameia mas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me rwtate na sas pw an plhrwnoyn; Oxi, einai gnwsto ayto.

XATZARAS: Ara, to aggelioshmo, ti einai; Einai ergodotikh eisfora h einai diko mas pronomio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn, opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, sthn prwth erwthsh, triwn eidwn poroi: Koinwnikos poros, emmesh ergodotikh eisfora kai o legomenos, yper tritwn foros. H periptwsh toy aggelioshmoy einai sthn ypoqesh twn emmeswn, twn koinwnikwn porwn kai olwn aytwn. Koinwnikos poros, loipon, emmesh ergodotikh eisfora kai yper tritwn foros. Ean qelete kapoies perissoteres dieykriniseis ep` aytoy, den exete para na sas kanonisoyme mia synanthsh me toys armodioys sto ypoyrgeio na sas to poyn.

KAPRALOS: Se ena allo qema. Qelw na rwthsw kyrie Ekproswpe, an isxyei to shmerino dhmosieyma ths ``ELEYQEROTYPIAS'', oti Amerikanoi empeirognwmones toy amerikanikoy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikhs Asfaleias briskontai sthn Ellada, edw kai hmeres, prokeimenoy na elegjoyn thn katastash stoys synoriakoys staqmoys, enocei twn sxediwn toys gia katarghsh ths bizas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epikoinwnhsa me to armodio ypoyrgeio. Oi plhrofories poy anaferontai sto sygkekrimeno dhmosieyma den isxyoyn, kaqws den brisketai se ejelijh mia tetoia episkech sthn Ellada. Qa hqela na prosqesw, gia na mhn yparxei opoiadhpote paranohsh, oti sto plaisio ths oysiastikhs proodoy poy exei shmeiwqei gia thn entajh ths xwras mas sto Visa Waiver Program (dhladh sthn prooptikh katarghshs twn toyristikwn qewrhsewn gia toys Ellhnes polites poy episkeptontai tis Hnwmenes Politeies) yparxei synergasia twn dyo xwrwn se texniko epipedo. S` ayto to plaisio  opws allwste exei anakoinwqei edw kai mhnes- anamenetai sto prosexes xroniko diasthma, episkech sth xwra mas, omadas Amerikanwn empeirognwmonwn. H sxetikh epishmh anakoinwsh poy qa kaqorisei thn akribh hmeromhnia ayth ths episkechs, qa ginei tis prosexeis hmeres. Den yparxei, dhladh, kamia omada sthn Ellada alla qa ginei, kapoia stigmh, episkech.

ROYMELIWTHS: Yparxoyn, pleon, boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias poy den ekfrazoyn apla th diafwnia toys kai tis enstaseis toys se o,ti afora tis epikeimenes allages sto Asfalistiko. Dhlwnoyn jekaqara oti den qa tis chfisoyn. Me dedomenh thn isxnh pleiochfia twn 152 boyleytwn, pws skopeyete na antimetwpisete ena tetoio endexomeno;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw dei na yparxei dhlwsh poy na leei th sygkekrimenh diatajh, giati opws jerete h sygkekrimenh diatajh den exei syntaxqei akomh.

ROYMELIWTHS: Genikoteres allages.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exoyn syntaxqei diatajeis toy nomoy, giati eimaste akomh sto stadio dialogoy. Sto stadio dialogoy, h kybernhsh exei dhlwsei tis proqeseis ths kai ennoei na ginei dialogos akoygontas kai tis alles apoceis, etsi wste na diamorfwqei to teliko plaisio poy qa einai kai to nomoqetiko plaisio.

SARANTAKOS: O boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias kai prwhn synadelfos mas k. Giwrgos Kontogiannhs, xqes diatypwse mia protash pros thn kybernhsh. Thn kalese na skefqei kai na symperilabei, na labei ypoch ths tis idiaiterothtes twn ergazomenwn sto xwro ergasias toys twn ergazomenwn ston Typo. Qa sthrijete eseis ayth thn protash toy boyleyth; Qa lhfqoyn ypoch aytes oi idiaiterothtes poy epikaleitai kai o boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws sas eipa, sto plaisio toy dialogoy, akoygontai oles oi apoceis. Kai h kybernhsh qa synypologisei oles tis apoceis.

SARANTAKOS: Eseis qa sthrijete ayth thn apoch toy boyleyth kai prwhn synadelfoy mas k. Kontogiannh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws eixa thn eykairia na pw sthn arxh ths syzhthshs mas, alla kai polles alles fores, den ekfrazw edw proswpikes apoceis.

SARANTAKOS: Epeidh eiste melos ths kybernhshs, gi` ayto sas rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O dialogos ginetai sto plaisio ths Boylhs. Afoy, loipon, oloklhrwqei o dialogos, h kybernhsh qa katartisei ena nomosxedio. Kai to nomosxedio ayto qa erqei pros chfish sth Boylh. Ayth einai h diadikasia, thn opoia gnwrizete.

KAKALHS: Pote qa to kanei ayto me to nomosxedio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei kaqoristei akomh o xronos. Na ejantlhqei prwta o dialogos.

RABANOS: Na pame ligo sto qema ths DEH kai ston k. Aqanasopoylo, o opoios zhtaei ayjhseis 30% sta timologia ths DEH. Mia DEH, h opoia gnwrizoyme oloi oti exei mia arnhtikh poreia ta teleytaia xronia kai h poiothta twn parexomenwn yphresiwn den einai h endedeigmenh. Ti apanta h kybernhsh stis proqeseis toy Proedroy ths DEH gia ayjhsh timologiwn 30%, th stigmh poy exoyme mia yfesh sthn pagkosmia oikonomia kai plhttontai misqoi, syntajeis, ola ayta poy anaferate prin. Giati anaferqhkate kapoy, oti oi syntajeis einai xamhles. Oi syntajeis einai xamhles, alla me 30% ayjhsh poy zhta o Proedros ths DEH, ti apantaei h kybernhsh ep` aytoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H DEH proteinei, h Ryqmistikh Arxh Energeias (h gnwsth RAE), gnwmodotei kai to armodio ypoyrgeio apofasizei sxetika me thn anaprosarmogh twn timologiwn. Oi opoies anatimhseis, endexomenws, protaqoyn apo th DEH -kai oi sxetikes gnwmodothseis ths RAE- qa ejetastoyn apo to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, me gnwmona to leitoyrgiko kostos ths etaireias kai tis mikroteres dynates epibarynseis gia toys katanalwtes kai to koinwniko synolo. Einai aytonohto oti qa thrhqoyn aparegklita oles oi problepomenes diadikasies tis opoies anefera.

XATZARAS: Epeidh allajame apo ta syntajiodotika, qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia ena qema poy afora kai thn Perifereia, poy exw idiaitero endiaferon pleon. Shmera brabeysate mia eparxiakh efhmerida ths Krhths, h opoia exei parapemcei toys syndikalistikoys ekproswpoys, toys synadelfoys mas ths Enwshs Syntaktwn Peloponnhsoy, Hpeiroy kai Nhswn sta dikasthria gia syndikalistikes diafores. Ayto to labate ypoch sas otan th brabeyate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An hsaste parwn sthn ekdhlwsh, qa parakoloyqhsate oti h brabeysh apofasizetai apo eidikh epitroph, h opoia kritikh epitroph...

XATZARAS: Edw to labate ypoch sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An to elaba egw proswpika ypoch moy;

XATZARAS: H epitroph sas to eipe, sas enhmerwse oti yparxei ayto to zhthma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den metexw sthn epitroph, isws den to katalabate. H epitroph apofasizei poia einai ta brabeia ta opoia qa dwsei kai se poies efhmerides. Ta onomata ths epitrophs ginontai gnwsta. Anakoinwqhkan dhmosiws prohgoymenws kai sth diplanh aiqoysa poy egine h ekdhlwsh kai h epitroph apofasise.

XATZARAS: H gnwmh sas poia einai gi` ayto, oti brabeythke ayth h efhmerida;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma, de qa pw th gnwmh moy. Einai dynaton; Alliws den qa yphrxe logos na yparxei epitroph. An htan na apofasisei kapoios me bash th dikh moy gnwmh, den qa yphrxe logos na ftiajei epitroph gia ta brabeia.

XATZARAS: An den to jerate, eprepe na to gnwrizete. Sas to eipa oti brabeythke mia efhmerida poy trabaei sta dikasthria dhmosiografoys. Poia einai h gnwmh sas; Mporei na einai kati poy sas diefyge.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An zhtate th gnwmh ths kybernhshs gia diafora tetoioy eidoys qemata, qa sas pw oti se mia syntetagmenh Politeia shmasia exei na threitai o nomos.

ROYMELIWTHS: Dyo erwthseis gia th DEH. H prwth einai an o k. Aqanasopoylos apolambanei ths empistosynhs twn politikwn toy proistamenwn kai ths kybernhshs kat` epektash. Kai h deyterh an exei bash ena prwino thlegrafhma toy praktoreioy Rwyters, to opoio anefere oti den proxwraei o dialogos me toys Germanoys kai oti h opoia symfwnia einai akyrh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, den to gnwrizw. Se o,ti afora to prwto, den yparxei kanena tetoio zhthma.

TSIOYFOS: H kybernhsh qewrei politika orqh thn problech toy neoy sxedioy toy eklogikoy nomoy na mporei na sxhmatisei kybernhsh estw kai dynhtika to deytero sthn katatajh komma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka xqes kai proxqes gia to qema kai exw dwsei apanthseis.

Sas eyxaristw.

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