Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-07-16

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 16 Ioylioy 2007

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Qelw na eyxhqw, ek meroys ths kybernhshs kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh, perastika kai taxeia anarrwsh ston Lewnida Kyrko gia thn peripeteia ths ygeias poy exei aytes tis hmeres.

Ayrio, Trith 17 Ioylioy, stis 11.00, qa synedriasei sto Megaro Majimoy h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Me ti qema;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas enhmerwsoyme argotera.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dhmioyrghqhke ena qema se sxesh me th stash poy thrhse o Yfypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Apostolos Andreoylakos me to parkarisma toy ypoyrgikoy aytokinhtoy. Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy to qema.

SPYRAKH: Den thn eidate sthn thleorash;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ws pote to kratos kai oi kybernhseis qa epitrepoyn ayto to kat` ejakoloyqhsh egklhma sth Nayphgoepiskeyastikh Zwnh;

ANTWNAROS: Ekfrazw th lyph mas kai thn odynh mas gia to atyxhma to opoio synebh sto Perama kai gia thn apwleia mias anqrwpinhs zwhs. Opws jerete, oi prospaqeies poy ginontai briskontai akomh se ejelijh. Den eimai se qesh, bebaiws, ayth th stigmh na sxoliasw otidhpote parapanw.

KAKALHS: Ektos apo ta syllyphthria kai ta logia parhgorias stoys syggeneis toy nekroy kai piqanon kai allwn, giati einai egklwbismenoi alloi dyo, h kybernhsh ti exei kanei me toys mhxanismoys elegxoy stoys xwroys ergasias; Ti exei ginei me toys epiqewrhtes; Ola ayta poy yposxontan proeklogika kai sth synexeia den blepoyme na ylopoioyntai, ti apeginan ola ayta ta logia kai oi diakhryjeis gia enisxysh twn mhxanismwn elegxoy stoys xwroys ergasias;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyn ginei para polla. Eyxaristws ayrio na sas dwsw mia ektenh lista twn prwtoboyliwn poy exei analabei h shmerinh kybernhsh gia thn prostasia twn ergazomenwn.

KAKALHS: Kai kati akomh: O Prwqypoyrgos proeklogika katebaine sto Perama kai sth NAYSH kai yposxotan diafora stoys ergates. Meteklogika oyte kan exei episkefqei to Perama, alla oyte kai twra, ap` o,ti blepw, exei tetoia diaqesh. Den exei na pei tipote;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei episkefqei polla merh ths Elladas. Exei gyrisei sxedon olh thn Ellada, kata th diarkeia twn treishmisi xronwn afotoy anelabe h Nea Dhmokratia thn eyqynh ths diakybernhshs ths xwras.

SPYRAKH: Exontas ypoch mas thn anakoinwsh poy ekdoqhke apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, qa hqela na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh exei na kanei kapoio peraiterw sxolio se sxesh me thn apagoreysh ths synaylias toy Giwrgoy Ntalara, sth bash ths ekdhlwshs poy diorganwse to Oikoymeniko Patriarxeio sthn Kwnstantinoypolh.

ANTWNAROS: Menw sthn anakoinwsh poy ejedwse to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den jerw ean sas rwthsan gia tis apoceis kybernhtikwn stelexwn sxetika me tis ekloges.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai qema, profanws, poy exoyn ekxwrhsei oi synadelfoi sas se esas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Endexomenws moy kanoyn th xarh. Alla, mallon mas to exoyn ekxwrhsei to dikaiwma ayto oi Ypoyrgoi. Giati exoyme ton k. Alogoskoyfh na mila gia mikrh proeklogikh periodo, gia logoys bebaiws poy exoyn sxesh me thn oikonomia kai ton k. Meimarakh na leei oti qa prepei na oloklhrwqei h tetraetia gia logoys qesmikoys.

ANTWNAROS: To qema exei ejantlhqei. Exei topoqethqei epaneilhmmenws o Prwqypoyrgos. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

PALAIOLOGOS: Erwthsh: To exei ejantlhsei o Prwqypoyrgos h to exoyn ejantlhsei oi idioi oi Ypoyrgoi;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme pei tosa polla. Den exei allajei tipota se osa exoyme pei.

SPYRAKH: Shmera, egine gnwsto to prwi oti payei telika h diwjh gia thn ypoqesh ths DEKA. Exei h kybernhsh na kanei kanena sxolio, dedomenoy oti exei polles fores epixeirhmatologhsei, politika epishmainw, se sxesh me ton tropo poy diaxeiristhke h prohgoymenh kybernhsh toy PASOK thn ypoqesh toy Xrhmatisthrioy.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Opws gnwrizete, den kanw pote sxolia gia qemata poy aforoyn sth leitoyrgia ths Dikaiosynhs.

KAKALHS: Sto qema ths eklogologias na epanelqw. O k. Meimarakhs dhlwnei shmera se synenteyjh toy oti oi polites den epiqymoyn prowres ekloges, giati antilambanontai oti den syntrexoyn sobaroi logoi gia prosfygh stis kalpes. H kybernhsh yioqetei ayth thn apoch;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti to qema exei ejantlhqei apo th dikh mas pleyra. Apo thn pleyra toy, o Prwqypoyrgos exei topoqethqei epaneilhmmena. Den exw na pw tipote allo, pera apo osa poly prosfata eipe o Prwqypoyrgos.

PALAIOLOGOS: Prosfata, omws, o Prwqypoyrgos, toso sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, oso kai sthn omilia toy sthn Kentrikh Epitroph, epishmane stoys Ypoyrgoys, profanws, thn anagkh na afierwqoyn sta problhmata ths kaqhmerinothtas, prokeimenoy bebaiws na dwsoyn apotelesmatikes lyseis. Einai dyo oi erwthseis moy: Prwton, gia poio logo xreiasthke o Prwqypoyrgos na epistrateysei thn anagkh na antimetwpistoyn ta kaqhmerina problhmata. Kai deyteron, ayto exei na kanei me th sygkekrimenh xronikh stigmh opoy anadyqhkan myria osa problhmata kai sta opoia den jerw kata poso edrase h kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos, sthn topoqethsh poy ekane sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, gia thn opoia enhmerwqhkate apo ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo k. Roysopoylo, ekane polles anafores. Kai mia apo tis anafores tis opoies ekane einai kai ayth sthn opoia eseis anaferqhkate. Anaferqhke se diafora qemata kai eipe to aytonohto: Oti h shmerinh kybernhsh fysika asxoleitai systhmatika me megalo endiaferon, skybei panw apo ta kaqhmerina problhmata poy apasxoloyn oloys toys Ellhnes polites. Kai h shmerinh kybernhsh exei apodeijei, se polles periptwseis --to apodeiknyei kaqhmerina-- oti thn endiaferei na dinei lyseis se ayta ta problhmata, ta opoia orismenoi qewroyn mikra, alla den einai.

PALAIOLOGOS: Omws, eixe endeijeis o Prwqypoyrgos otan ekane ayth thn epishmansh oti den exoyn dwsei apotelesmatikes lyseis oi Ypoyrgoi toy sta kaqhmerina problhmata;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai mia dikh sas ermhneia, thn opoia egw den symmerizomai. Sas eipa mesa se poio plaisio egine ayth h topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Deixnei, gia mia akomh fora, thn ayjhmenh frontida, to enisxymeno endiaferon to opoio apodeiknyei kaqe mera h shmerinh kybernhsh. Gia ola osa apasxoloyn toys Ellhnes polites.

SPYRAKH: Ep` aytoy: Sygnwmh poy epimenw, alla giati o Prwqypoyrgos aisqanqhke thn anagkh na epanalabei to aytonohto;

ANTWNAROS: Giati o Prwqypoyrgos to exei kanei kai alles fores. Kai otan proedreyei mias synedriashs toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy anaferetai se ola ta qemata, ta opoia kata th gnwmh toy prepei na endiaferoyn kai prepei na sygkentrwnoyn to endiaferon ths drashs olwn twn Ypoyrgwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den exei na kanei, dhladh, me to gegonos oti eimaste molis ligoys mhnes prin apo tis ekloges.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

KAKALHS: Taytoxrona ayto den apotelei kai mia omologia oti einai alyta ta problhmata, opws (den akoygetai)... ;

ANTWNAROS: Kaneis den isxyristhke oti ola ta problhmata exoyn lyqei h oti ta problhmata lynontai ws dia mageias. Problhmata yparxoyn, kai h apotelesmatikothta mias kybernhshs metrietai apo ton tropo me ton opoio proseggizei ayta ta problhmata kai dinei lyseis. Kai h shmerinh kybernhsh kai ta proseggizei apotelesmatika kai lyseis dinei se polla apo ayta ta problhmata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ep` aytoy: To gegonos, omws, oti o Prwqypoyrgos ekane idiaiterh anafora sto qema toy dhmosioy tomea kai ths anapotelesmatikothtas toy diaxronika, ayto den shmainei kati; Den shmainei oti den ta exei kataferei telika na ta balei me ayto to dysmorfo teras h kybernhsh; Dysmorfo teras ennow to Dhmosio kai to kratos.

ANTWNAROS: Mporw na sas parapemcw se polles omilies toy Prwqypoyrgoy, stis opoies exei ginei anafora gia tis dysleitoyrgies poy antimetwpizei o dhmosios tomeas. Ta problhmata ayta, opws sas eipa, den antimetwpizontai apo th mia mera sthn allh. Problhmata poy exoyn sysswreyqei gia polles dekaeties den einai dynato na jeperastoyn mesa se diasthma 3  3,5 etwn. Didontai, omws, praktikes lyseis. Sas anaferw endeiktika thn poly shmantikh ayjhsh toy ariqmoy twn KEP poy exei pragmatopoihqei kata th diarkeia ths qhteias ayths ths kybernhshs, opoy ejyphretoyntai oi polites, xwris na einai ypoxrewmenoi na katafeygoyn se polles dhmosies yphresies, prokeimenoy na toys ekdoqei ena pistopoihtiko. Sas anaferw prwtoboylies toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs, fer` eipein, kai to lew endeiktika xwris na qelw na apokleisw to ena h to allo Ypoyrgeio, me tis opoies prwtoboylies meiwqhke shmantika o poly megalos ariqmos pistopoihtikwn poy apaitoynto, prokeimenoy na arxisei h leitoyrgia mias epixeirhshs mikrhs h megalhs. Yparxoyn para polla tetoia paradeigmata ta opoia, an qelete, eyxaristws na sas ta pw ena  ena. Yparxoyn sygkekrimenes draseis poy exoyn ferei sygkekrimena oysiastika apotelesmata.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, thn Paraskeyh to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn edwse sth dhmosiothta kapoia stoixeia anaforikws me ta esoda kai ejoda kai prokyptei oti enw oi dapanes trexoyn se ryqmoys kati parapanw apo 6%, thn idia stigmh ta esoda einai kollhmena sto 1,5%. Anhsyxei thn kybernhsh ayto to isozygio;

ANTWNAROS: Qa prepei na perimenoyme kai thn ejelijh twn epomenwn mhnwn gia na doyme thn akribh poreia twn esodwn. Pantws, opws jerete, oi eispraktikoi mhxanismoi exoyn eksygxronistei se poly megalo baqmo, me prowqhsh ths mhxanografhshs, etsi wste na mhn yparxoyn kena kata thn eisprajh twn ypoxrewsewn, kata thn eisprajh twn poswn poy prepei na plhrwnoyn osoi exoyn ypoxrewsh na plhrwsoyn.

KAKALHS: Na diatypwsw alliws thn erwthsh. Pws qa kalycei h kybernhsh ayth thn ysterhsh twn esodwn kata 840 ekatommyria eyrw to prwto pentamhno, an den kanw laqos, thn idia wra poy kai oi dapanes exoyn jefygei kai exoyn ayjhqei kata 420 ekatommyria; Dhladh, na perimenoyme nees foroeispraktikes epidromes oi forologoymenoi;

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws, den exete diapistwsei kata th diarkeia ths qhteias ayths ths kybernhshs ayto to opoio eseis apokalesate me ayto ton tropo.

KAKALHS: Na sas pw paradeigmata.

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai den to exete diapistwsei.

KAKALHS: Den ayjhsate to FPA kata 1%; Balate pleon foroys se tsigara, pota k.t.l.;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, jexnate tis apallages kai tis elafrynseis tis opoies exei qespisei gia tis oikonomika asqenesteres tajeis h sygkekrimenh kybernhsh. Sas ypenqymizw gia mia akomh fora endeiktika, to LAFKA, to opoio profanws qeloyn orismenoi na to jexasoyn.

KAKALHS: Einai (den akoygetai).

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws kai einai. Einai apallagh apo epibarynseis oi opoies yphrxan kai tis opoies h prohgoymenh kybernhsh, para th desmeysh thn opoia eixe, den eixe katarghsei. H de shmerinh kybernhsh, xwris na exei analabei tetoia ypoxrewsh, anelabe th desmeysh kai to ekane prajh na epistrecei hdh katablhqenta posa.

KAKALHS: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh thn apagoreysh ths eisodoy ths Genikhs Grammatews toy KKE, ths Alekas Paparhga, se dyo megala ergostasia sthn Eleysina kai sthn Korinqo. Oi xwroi twn ergostasiwn einai ektos ellhnikhs epikrateias kai twn ellhnikwn nomwn; Apagoreyetai se ayta o koinoboyleytikos elegxos;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei sto parelqon se analoges periptwseis. H apanthsh, h opoia exw dwsei, ejakoloyqei na isxyei.

PERDIKARHS: Yparxei kapoio sxolio ths kybernhshs sxetika me thn ekqesh toy Eyrwkoinoboylioy, h opoia perieixe dysmeneis anafores gia thn Ellada sto qema ths onomasias twn Skopiwn kai yioqethqhke kai apo Ellhnes Eyrwboyleytes;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei ektenestath topoqethsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn sthn opoia kai sas parapempw.

PERDIKARHS: Sto idio qema sxetika me thn kataxwrhsh poy yphrxe se dieqnh efhmerida...

ANTWNAROS: Ti ennoeite ``kataxwrhsh'';

PERDIKARHS: Kataxwrhsh h opoia perieixe xarth poy emfanize ta Skopia me to onoma ``Makedonia''.

ANTWNAROS: Den yphrxe kamia tetoia kataxwrhsh. Yphrje syntaktiko enqeto ths efhmeridas, sto opoio den exei kamia anameijh kamia yphresia kai kanena Ypoyrgeio toy ellhnikoy kratoys, ths ellhnikhs Politeias.

PERDIKARHS: Den htan, dhladh, kapoia kataxwrhsh apo thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Sas eipa oti prokeitai gia syntaktiko enqeto.

Sas eyxaristw.

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