Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-07-17

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Aqhna, 17 Ioylioy 2007

Xairete.

Ayrio stis 12.00, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa exei synergasia sto Megaro Majimoy me ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Giwrgo Alogoskoyfh.

Sth shmerinh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, dyo htan ta qemata: To prwto htan to nomosxedio poy eishghqhkan o Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Dhmhtrhs Sioyfas kai h Ypoyrgos Paideias k. Marietta Giannakoy gia thn ereyna kai thn texnologia. Enan tomea ston opoio me ayto to nomosxedio h xwra dinei idiaiterh shmasia sthn kalyterh organwsh toy, etsi wste na mporesei na leitoyrghsei apotelesmatika ston panepisthmiako xwro, sto xwro genikotera ths ereynas. H ereyna einai ayto to meizon diakybeyma poy odhgei se apotelesmata se oloys toys tomeis.

Sth synexeia, eixa thn timh na eishghqw sxedio nomoy gia th ryqmish qematwn dhmoskophsewn. Gnwrizete oti to qema twn dhmoskophsewn apotelese antikeimeno syzhthshs prin apo peripoy enamisi mhna sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs sthn opoia eixa klhqei kai eixa paroysiasei hdh ekei to prwtoleio sxedio nomoy, prosxedio nomoy to eixa onomasei tote. An anatrejei kapoios sta praktika ekeinhs ths synedriashs qa diapistwsei oti apo ola ta kommata, apo oles tis pteryges ths Boylhs yphrjan qetikes anafores sth bash aytoy toy prosxedioy nomoy. Einai etoimo pia to sxedio nomoy kai qa katateqei entos ths ebdomadas sth Boylh. Stis ryqmiseis aytes problepontai mia seira pragmatwn ta opoia mexri twra den isxyan kai problepontai etsi wste na leitoyrgei me ton kalytero dynato tropo to pedio twn dhmoskophsewn, se o,ti afora tis politikes ereynes. Politikes ereynes poy sxetizontai eite me tis koinoboyleytikes ekloges, eite me dhmochfismata, ekloges gia thn anadeijh antiproswpwn sto Eyrwpaiko Koinoboylio, nomarxiakes, dhmotikes kai koinotikes ekloges, anejarthtws toy xronoy dienergeias toys. Oi dhmoskophseis, dhladh, mporei na dienergoyntai sth diarkeia ths tetraetias, alla ypokeintai se oles aytes tis diatajeis. Stis basikes ryqmiseis anaferetai oti h syllogh twn stoixeiwn ths dhmoskophshs ginetai se sygkekrimeno ariqmo deigmatos. To minimoym gi` aytes tis politikes dhmoskophseis einai ta 1.000 atoma, deigma xiliwn atomwn. Einai ypoxrewsh twn etaireiwn na anaferoyn toso ta stoixeia toy deigmatos, oso kai th meqodo sylloghs stoixeiwn, ton tropo katagrafhs ths proqeshs chfoy h ths dhlwshs chfoy. H dhlwsh chfoy einai to gnwsto mexri shmera exit poll, dhladh thn wra poy kapoios exei chfisei kai ejerxetai toy eklogikoy tmhmatos. Epishs, einai ypoxrewmenes oi etaireies na anaferoyn to erwthmatologio, thn taytothta ths dhmoskophshs kai mia seira allwn qematwn, opws ton ariqmo mhtrwoy poy katexei kaqe etaireia sto Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs, to tmhma diafaneias toy opoioy einai ypeyqyno gia ton elegxo. Parallhlws, dhmioyrgeitai astikh mh kerdoskopikh etaireia sthn opoia metexei o Syndesmos Etaireiwn Dhmoskophsewn kai kaqe allh antiproswpeytikh organwsh, h opoia elegxei se prwto baqmo, sto plaisio ths logikhs ths aytoryqmishs, dhmoskophseis poy xreiazetai na elegxqoyn kata thn krish ayths ths etaireias. Qymizw oti antistoixh etaireia, einai ena paradeigma to opoio pisteyw oti qa leitoyrghsei sth logikh ths aytoryqmishs, idryetai kai me to nomo poy prosfata chfisthke sth Boylh gia ta Mesa Enhmerwshs sto nomo gia th sygkentrwsh kai thn adeiodothsh. To Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs, se kaqe periptwsh, exei ton teliko logo. Throyntai kai einai ypoxrewmenes oi etaireies na thrhsoyn tis proypoqeseis poy qetei o SEDEA, o Syndesmos twn Etaireiwn Dhmoskophsewn kai Ereynwn. Proypoqeseis oi opoies problepontai apo thn ESOMAR poy einai h Dieqnhs Enwsh. Dhladh, ginetai mia prospaqeia wste to plaisio dienergeias dhmoskophsewn na mh jefeygei apo ta oria poy exei balei h episthmonika apodekth ereyna kai ta opoia yioqetoyntai se oles tis prohgmenes eyrwpaikes xwres kai se polles alles xwres toy kosmoy.

Na shmeiwsw, epishs, oti sto qema ths dhmosieyshs twn apotelesmatwn dhmoskophsewn, htan ena qema to opoio apotelese antikeimeno syzhthshs kai sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias, mexri twra apagoreyotan h dienergeia dhmoskophsewn gia ena xroniko diasthma pro twn eklogwn. Symfwna me kapoia palaioterh diatajh gia 40 hmeres pro twn eklogwn, symfwna me th diatajh toy 2002 gia 15 hmeres pro twn eklogwn. Epitrepetai h dienergeia dhmoskophsewn. Ayto poy apagoreyetai einai h dhmosiopoihsh dhmoskophsewn tis teleytaies 15 hmeres, kaqoson h chfos, h diadikasia ekloghs koinoboylioy h twn allwn arxwn poy anefera prohgoymenws, einai ycisth leitoyrgia ths Dhmokratias kai qa prepei na prostateyei kanenas to dikaiwma ayto toy kaqe polith. Qewroyme oti 15 hmeres pro twn eklogwn einai ena xroniko diasthma ikano gia na mporesei anephreastos o poliths, sth synexeia, na odhghqei sthn kalph kai na chfisei.

Na pw, epishs, oti einai ypoxrewmenoi oi foreis, oi etaireies dhmoskophsewn na dinoyn pros dhmosieysh ta stoixeia olwn twn ereynwn toys kai mia fora to xrono na apostelloyn ta stoixeia ayta sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs. Ta stoixeia qa dhmosieyontai sto diadiktyo sto telos kaqe etoys apo th Genikh Grammateia Epikoinwnias kai th Genikh Grammateia Enhmerwshs. Ayta se genikes grammes gia tis dhmoskophseis. Problepontai kai poines gia toys parabates twn diatajewn. Timwroyntai oi parabates twn diatajewn me fylakish toylaxiston eji mhnwn, h opoia den einai dektikh metatrophs h anastolhs kai xrhmatikh poinh apo 30.000 ews 300.000 eyrw. Qa exete thn eykairia -kai sigoyra oi koinoboyleytikoi syntaktes- entos twn epomenwn hmerwn, apo th stigmh poy qa katateqei to nomosxedio, na to epejergasteite perissotero, an kai epanalambanw oti basizetai kata ena poly megalo pososto sto prosxedio nomoy to opoio paroysiasa, prin apo peripoy enamisi mhna, sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa moy epitrecete na anaferqw sth xqesinh pyrkagia ston Ymhtto kai na qesw kapoia erwthmata, ta opoia exoyn men epixeirhsiako xarakthra, alla eimai sigoyrh oti exei enhmerwqei ep` aytwn kai h kybernhsh. Exete eikona gia to posa stremmata kahkan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean einai zhthmata epixeirhsiakoy xarakthra, Qa hqela na apeyqynqeite sthn armodia Yphresia.

SPYRAKH: To lew giati yparxoyn diaforetikes ektimhseis apo thn pleyra ths Pyrosbestikhs kai apo thn pleyra twn Dhmwn, gi` ayto lew ean yparxei epishmh enhmerwsh ths kybernhshs, gia to posa stremmata kahkan.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, h Pyrosbestikh dinei synhqws ton ariqmo ayto me thlegrafhmata, me anakoinwseis deltiwn Typoy kaqhmerinws kai einai armodia na dwsei ayta ta stoixeia. Egw den eimai armodios.

SPYRAKH: To allo stoixeio afora sto syntonismo twn yphresiwn, oi opoies energoyn kata th diarkeia mia tetoias krishs, mias tetoias pyrkagias. Xqes, o k. Foyrlas, o Proistamenos ths Politikhs Prostasias, dhlwse se thleoptikoys staqmoys oti epixeirhse na synomilhsei me ton k. Koh, alla den ta katafere thn wra ths krishs. Xqes, epishs, yphrjan kataggelies apo thn pleyra twn ekproswpwn twn pyrosbestwn, oti h Troxaia egklwbise ta pyrosbestika oxhmata edafoys se perioxes poy den mporoysan na proseggisoyn kai gi` ayto kai kaqysterhsan kai efqasan prwta ta aeroplana. H kybernhsh entopizei kapoia problhmata sto syntonismo twn armodiwn yphresiwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa mpw se leptomereies, alla moy akoygetai toylaxiston paratairo na exei egklwbisei h Troxaia ta oxhmata pyrosbeshs. Balte ton eayto sas sth qesh enos troxonomoy thn wra poy yparxei mia fwtia ston Ymhtto. Qa stamatoysate ena pyrosbestiko oxhma;

SPYRAKH: Me sygxwreite poy sas diakoptw, einai poly aplo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai safes oti h Katexakh, enas dromos taxeias kykloforias mpotiliaristhke, an einai dokimos o oros -den moy aresei para poly, en pash periptwsei- yphrje poly megalh kykloforiakh symforhsh ekeinh thn wra, akribws ejaitias ths fwtias kai antilambanetai kapoios ta problhmata poy mporei na dhmioyrghqhkan. Se kaqe periptwsh, omws, einai ejisoy safes oti o kratikos mhxanismos leitoyrghse para poly grhgora kai poly kala syntonismena, etsi wste na apofygoyme xeirotera.

KAKALHS: Epimenete kai meta th xqesinh pyrkagia ston Ymhtto na moirazete, ws kybernhsh, diabebaiwseis oti opoy htan dasos qa ginei dasos, me dedomeno oti h Ekklhsia diekdikei to xwro sta kamena gia na xtisei to synedriako ths megaro kai o Dhmos Byrwna diekdikei na xtisei ekei to dhmarxiako toy megaro; Pote qa aposafhnistei telos pantwn (den akoygetai);

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas pw. Oi diabebaiwseis den moirazontai. Oi diabebaiwseis orizontai, ston ychlotato baqmo, apo stomatos toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai isxyoyn. Ayto apomenei na apodeixqei kai sthn prajh, bebaiws, opws orqa qa moy peite. Pisteyw oti qa apodeixqei.

KAKALHS: Gia ta aithmata toy dhmarxoy kai ths Ekklhsias den mas eipate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akoyste, den einai ths paroyshs na apanthsw egw se aithmata epi ejeidikeymenwn qematwn gia ta opoia logika qa asxolhqoyn h qa asxoloyntai armodia Ypoyrgeia.

LEONTITSH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh pws skeptetai twra na lysei to Asfalistiko meta kai th xqesinh parapomph ths xwras mas sto eyrwdikasthrio gia thn ejomoiwsh twn oriwn hlikias metajy andrwn kai gynaikwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei hdh kanei mia dhlwsh o Ypoyrgos Apasxolhshs kai Koinwnikhs Prostasias k. Magginas, h opoia einai analytikh kai ara exw dyo epiloges: H na sas parapemcw ekei h na sas th diabasw. Sas parapempw.

BLABIANOS: Grafei h ELEYQEROTYPIA oti h kybernhsh epi 20hmero ekrybe to qema ths parapomphs ths xwras sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio. Alhqeyei kati tetoio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw leptomereies. Ekeino poy gnwrizw einai oti h parapomph egine xwris na akoloyqhqei h synhqhs diadikasia koinopoihshs pros thn Ellada me eyqynh ths Epitrophs, opws allwste paradexqhke sto metajy kai h idia h Epitroph. Kapoio grafeiokratiko problhma yphrje, loipon, sthn Epitroph kai sthn enhmerwsh pros th xwra mas.

KAKALHS: Ekfrasate thn ikanopoihsh sas gia thn kinhtopoihsh toy kratikoy mhxanismoy xqes ston Ymhtto, wstoso, symfwna me tis ektimhseis ths Pyrosbestikhs, ofeiletai se emprhsmo h pyrkagia. Gennatai to eylogo erwthma, pws oi emprhstes ebalan fwtia kai efygan anenoxlhtoi, xwris kanenas na toys enoxlhsei. O kratikos mhxanismos prolhchs kai dasoprostasias poy briskotan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eixa thn entypwsh oti eiste kata toy astynomikoy kratoys mexri prin apo ligo. Alla, diatypwnontas ayth thn erwthsh, fantazomai oti ypainisseste pws qa prepei kaqe 10 h kaqe 20 h kaqe 50 metra se oloys toys dromoys, se oles tis geitonies na brisketai enas astynomikos. Den einai texnika efikto ayto.

KAKALHS: Oxi, parathrhthria ypoqetw oti prepei na briskontai sta dash. Parathrhthria lew.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dipla apo mia megalh odo, ena megalo dromo, mia lewforo, opws h Katexakh, ejerraghsan kapoia metwpa thn idia wra peri tis 15:00.

PALAIOLOGOS: Mias kai o logos gia pyrkagies kai dash, se dhmoskophsh ths VPRC poy dhmosieyetai shmera sthn KAQHMERINH, oi polites se pososto 63% katalogizoyn kaqysterhsh apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs sthn antimetwpish ths fwtias sthn Parnhqa. Ayto pws to krinei h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa elega oti einai mia endiaferoysa dhmoskophsh, opws kaqe dhmoskophsh, h opoia dinei symperasmata gia mia seira pragmatwn. Qa krathsw ola ta symperasmata, qa frontisw na shmeiwsw mono thn eyaisqhsia h opoia xreiazetai apo oloys. H fwtia den einai ena fainomeno, ena problhma poy apasxolei mono thn opoiadhpote kybernhsh h to kratos genika kai aorista. Mas apasxolei oloys kai ayto nomizw anadeiknyetai ws stoixeio eyaisqhsias olwn twn politwn, apo th sygkekrimenh metrhsh poy eipate.

SPYRAKH: Epi toy prohgoymenoy poy eipate: Parathrhsate oti dipla sthn Katexakh ejerraghsan metwpa pyrkagias gyrw stis 15:00. Dedomenoy oti yparxoyn kataggelies katoikwn kai eyrhmata pyrosbestwn, alla kai dedomenoy oti o xronos sympiptei kai apo thn ekrhjh twn metwpwn sth diakekaymenh zwnh, opws leei h Pyrosbestikh, h kybernhsh exei ypoch ths to isxyro senario twn emprhsmwn; To yioqetei, to antimetwpizei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh qa perimenei ta apotelesmata ths ereynas. Se aytes tis periptwseis, jerete, oti h Pyrosbestikh dienergei ereyna.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Paramenoyn oi idioi oroi gia kapoion poy qelei na anoijei mia etaireia dhmoskophsewn h allazei to kaqestws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den allazei se tipota to kaqestws. Ekeino to opoio orizei o nomos einai oti apo th stigmh poy mia etaireia qelhsei na proxwrhsei se dhmoskophseis politikoy periexomenoy, opws aytes poy anaferontai sto arqro 1 toy nomosxedioy, ofeilei na thrhsei toys oroys poy sth synexeia sas anelysa -sas eipa synoptika mallon- giati to nomosxedio xwris na einai poly megalo, exei mia seira problecewn poy den mporesa na sas tis diabasw oles. Ara, loipon, opoios dienergei politikh dhmoskophsh ofeilei na threi aytoys toys kanones.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kati akoma. Mazi me to nomosxedio twn dhmoskophsewn den qa fernate kai to qema peri twn etaireiwn thleqeashs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto to efera, hdh, ston prohgoymeno nomo kai exei chfistei. Einai nomos toy kratoys, einai ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws oti idryetai astikh mh kerdoskopikh etaireia, h opoia exei stoxo ton elegxo. Elegxos o opoios ginetai metajy olwn twn endiaferomenwn kai epishs sth ryqmish toy nomoy problepetai oti o armodios Ypoyrgos -gia prwth fora giati mexri twra, opws gnwrizete poly kala giati exete asxolhqei kyrie Stamatopoyle, ap` oti qymamai kai apo alles erwthseis sas, me to qema- den eixe armodiothta enw twra exei armodiothta katopin kataggeliwn na epembei. Yparxei dhladh ryqmish ston prohgoymeno nomo poy chfisthke pro 15 hmerwn.

KAKALHS: Sthn Nayphgoepiskeyastikh Zwnh ta ergatika atyxhmata einai polla. Kaneis den eyqynetai gi` ayth thn katastash; Kaneis den aisqanetai thn anagkh na apologhqei; Ftaine oi katoikoi ths perioxhs gia ola ayta; Ean (den akoygetai) einai logia toy Prwqypoyrgoy stis 24 Febroyarioy toy 2004 sthn omilia toy ston Peiraia. O idios tote eqese filodojoys stoxoys legontas oti ``qewroyme oti h asfaleia twn ergazomenwn den einai posotikos stoxos, stoxos prepei na einai oyte ena ergatiko atyxhma, oyte enas anqrwpos na xanei th zwh toy sth doyleia''. Parola ayta, prin apo merikoys mhnes h kybernhsh kathrghse to mhtrwo, me apotelesma na enisxyetai, na to pw etsi, h asydosia twn ergolabwn sthn agora. Pws ylopoieitai aytos o proeklogikos filodojos stoxos toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn nayphgoepiskeyastikh zwnh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Katarxas, qa sas pw oti isxyei apolytws oti exei pei o tote arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai shmerinos Prwqypoyrgos, kata gramma. Den anairoyme tipota. Qa shmeiwsw epishs kai nomizw oti ean den exei hdh ekdoqei, qa ekdoqei apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio, mia analytikh anakoinwsh, oti o elegxos gia tis synqhkes ygeias kai asfaleias sth Nayphgoepiskeyastikh Zwnh egine me prosfath ypoyrgikh apofash, kaqhmerina ypoxrewtikos, me apotelesma na exoyn pragmatopoihqei to prwto ejamhno toy 2007, 482 prolhptikoi elegxoi. Mesa se eji mhnes, 482 prolhptikoi elegxoi, poy shmainei panw apo enas elegxos hmerhsiws, na exoyn -dyo kai pleon dhladh einai o ariqmos- epiblhqei 50 diakopes ergasiwn ploiwn kai 19 ychla prostima, kaqws exei kinhqei kai h aytofwrh diadikasia gia toys ergodotes, toys ergolaboys poy parabiazoyn thn ergatikh nomoqesia. Ayto einai ena mono shmeio apo ta osa qa perilambanei h anakoinwsh h opoia qa ekdoqei, ean den exei hdh ekdoqei osh wra milame edw, apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio.

KAKALHS: Yparxoyn, omws, enstaseis apo th meria twn ergazomenwn gia to eidos twn elegxwn. As poyme sthn Epitroph poy elegxei to an einai eleyqero ena ploio gia na ginoyn ergasies, ekei den yparxei xhmikos gia na milhsei gia to Gas free, opws to lene ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan exoyme dyo qanatoys, einai bebaio oti kanenas den mporei na kanei pws den akoyei kai pws den blepei. Ekeino, omws, to opoio egw qa hqela na shmeiwsw einai oti se seira ergatikwn atyxhmatwn ta opoia parathrhqhkan sto parelqon, parathrhqhke epishs, apoysia plaisioy. Ayto to plaisio exei kalyfqei pleon. Ayto to plaisio einai poy odhgei se elegxoys, opws sas eipa dyo kai treis fores hmerhsiws sthn perioxh ths Nayphgoepiskeystikhs zwnhs. Ayto to plaisio einai poy odhghse se ychla prostima, poy odhghse se syllhch kai prosagwgh sto aytofwro ergolabwn kai ergodotwn. Oti yparxoyn akoma problhmata h oti qa yparxoyn problhmata ayto kaneis den mporei na to arnhqei. Ekeino, omws, poy einai shmantiko einai ti exei kanei h politeia apo thn pleyra ths. Eimai bebaios oti kai sto qema poy anaferete to armodio Ypoyrgeio exei labei gnwsh kai kineitai me th logikh poy kinhqhke kai sta ypoloipa zhthmata gia na mporesei na brei thn kalyterh dynath lysh. Kaneis den qelei tetoioy eidoys dystyxhmata h atyxhmata, pros qeoy.

N.PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, wstoso xqes o idios o epikefalhs ths epiqewrhshs ergasias paradexqhke leicandria se oti afora toy epiqewrhtes sth zwnh toy Peramatos. Ypoqetw oti ayto einai ena zhthma to opoio lynetai eykola me proslhceis kapoion epiqewrhtwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Koitajte na deite. Gia na exoyn dienerghqei elegxoi ston ariqmo poy sas eipa 482 se 180 hmeres, shmainei oti exei ginei hdh ena prwto shmantiko bhma, isws xreiazetai kai ena deytero enisxytiko aytoy toy prwtoy. Se kaqe periptwsh, antilambanetai kaneis oti to problhma antimetwpizetai.

PALAIOLOGOS: Katarxhn, eixame xqes pera apo thn apofash ayth kaq ayth toy dikasthrioy, gia thn ypoqesh ths DEKA o logos, den qa sas rwthsw na moy sxoliasete thn apofash, alla ean protiqetai h kybernhsh h kapoio epiteleio ths kybernhshs na zhthsei nea anairesh gia thn apofash ayth toy dikasthrioy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai se gnwsh moy kati tetoio. H diadikasia kineitai sth Dikaiosynh, opws gnwrizete. Ekeino to opoio qa hqela na shmeiwsw einai: As mhn epixairei to PASOK. Giati eida to PASOK, opws sas exw pei kai allh fora na krinei th Dikaiosynh a la carte, opote krinei oti to symferei na qriambologei. Opote, diaforetika, na kathgorei Dikaiosynh kai proswpika leitoyrgoys ths. As mhn epixairei, dioti h ypoqesh den kriqhke sthn oysia ths. Kai ennow oti den kriqhke sthn oysia, giati den mphke kan to dikasthrio sthn oysia. Kriqhke h paragrafh. Kai qymizw oti h paragrafh einai mia ennoia poy oristhke me nomo toy PASOK kai afora ta politika proswpa.

PALIAOLOGOS: Ep aytoy pali. Epeidh, shmera eixame mia ekrhjh, an moy epitrepetai o xarakthrismos, apo thn pleyra toy prwhn Proedroy toy kommatos toy k. Ebert, o opoios se kapoio radiofwniko staqmo eipe na toys xairetai o kosmos toys dikastes, na toys xairomaste, kapws etsi. Den jerw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, den sxoliazw kai den qa sxoliasw kai me to ``kapws etsi'' poy anaferate.

PALAIOLOGOS: Mia teleytaia erwthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw. Alloimono. Oses qelete.

PALAIOLOGOS: Me olo to qarros, epeidh yparxoyn dhmosieymata tis teleytaies hmeres se sxesh me th Monh Batopedioy, kata poso h kybernhsh symmerizetai ta dhmosieymata oti yparxei paraxwrhsh h xarisma as to poyme etsi epi to laikotero twn sygkekrimenwn ektasewn sth Monh Batopedioy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, exoyn katateqei erwthseis sth Boylh oi opoies kai qa apanthqoyn me thn Koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Na eiste bebaioi oti h kybernhsh, oyte xares kanei, oyte parabiazei to nomo.

Sas eyxaristw.

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