Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-07-02

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Aqhna, 2 Ioylioy 2007

Xairete, kalh ebdomada kai kalo mhna.

H Kybernhtikh Epitroph qa synedriasei ayrio, Trith 3 Ioylioy kai wra 11:00, sto Megaro Majimoy ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh me monadiko antikeimeno to sxediasmo ths apokatastashs twn katastrofwn poy proklhqhkan apo tis ektetamenes dasikes pyrkagies ths perasmenhs ebdomadas.

O stoxos twn drasewn kai twn energeiwn poy dromologoyntai einai enas kai monos: Opoy htan dasos kai kahke, qa ginei jana dasos. Oles oi dasikes ektaseis poy kahkan khryssontai aytomata anadaswtees. Den prepei kai den qa xaqei spiqamh dasoys. To tmhma toy dasoys ths Parnhqas, toy Eqnikoy Drymoy kai pneymona ojygonoy gia oloklhrh thn Attikh poy kahke, qa apokatastaqei me gorgoys ryqmoys. Kai fysika se oloklhrh th xwra exei arxisei h katagrafh olwn twn ylikwn zhmiwn poy proklhqhkan apo tis pyrkagies wste na apozhmiwqoyn oi dikaioyxoi, opws problepei o nomos. Ejalloy, opws gnwrizete, ereyna apo tis dikastikes arxes sxetika me ta aitia twn pyrkagiwn brisketai se ejelijh.

H Ellada, opws kai oi alles mesogeiakes xwres, biwnei dysarestes empeiries apo to epanalambanomeno fainomeno twn dasikwn pyrkagiwn. Oi klimatikes allages ephreazoyn ton planhth mas. Plhttoyn kai th xwra mas. Oi qermokrasies twn teleytaiwn deka hmerwn htan prwtognwres toso se diarkeia, oso kai se ycos, se baqmo malista wste, symfwna me tis apoceis eidikwn, dieykolynan thn ekdhlwsh twn pyrkagiwn. H xwra mas brisketai pleon antimetwph me fainomena, polles fores akraias morfhs, poy kanoyn akomh pio epitaktikh th lhch newn metrwn.

Einai gnwsto se oloys oti h shmerinh kybernhsh exei ferei thn prostasia toy periballontos sto epikentro ths politikhs ths. Prospaqoyme systhmatika na kalycoyme ta kena poy mas klhrodothse to parelqon kai na prosarmosoyme ton kratiko mhxanismo stis nees synqhkes kai anagkes poy prokyptoyn apo tis klimatikes allages.

Dwsame proteraiothta sthn taxeia enarmonish ths ellhnikhs nomoqesias gia to periballon me thn antistoixh koinotikh. Eikosi epta koinotikes odhgies enswmatwqhkan sthn eqnikh nomoqesia apo ton Martio toy 2004 mexri shmera, kleinontas etsi ekkremothtes poy mas ejeqetan diarkws kai dieqnws sto parelqon. Proxwroyme me apofasistikothta sthn ekponhsh kai qesmoqethsh enos oloklhrwmenoy xwrotajikoy sxediasmoy. Paroysiasame ta eidika xwrotajika plaisia gia tis ananewsimes phges energeias, ton toyrismo kai th biomhxania. Entos toy Ioylioy qa ginei kai h paroysiash toy Eqnikoy Xwrotajikoy Sxedioy. Etsi qa kalycoyme mia elleich dekaetiwn.

Oi xwrotajikes aytes parembaseis einai ena polytimo ergaleio poy qa mas epitrecei me akomh megalyterh apotelesmatikothta na entajoyme thn periballontikh diastash se kaqe ptyxh ths drashs mas. Epishs, efarmozoyme mia oloklhrwmenh politikh gia thn epiteyjh toy stoxoy toy prwtokolloy toy Kioto gia to fainomeno toy qermokhpioy kai eimaste synepeis apenanti stis ypoxrewseis mas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

XIWTHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, kyrie Ekproswpe, meta apo thn parodo pente hmerwn poy jespase ayth h katastrofikh pyrkagia, ean h kybernhsh exei entopisei elleiceis, laqh h paraleiceis sth drash toy kratikoy mhxanismoy poy na dhmioyrghse problhmata sthn egkairh katasbesh ayths ths pyrkagias.

ANTWNAROS: Exoyn anaferqei oloi kai kyriws o Prwqypoyrgos ston tropo me ton opoio kinhqhke o kratikos mhxanismos, exontas na antimetwpisei perissoteres apo 300 --307 gia thn akribeia-- pyrkagies mesa se ligotero apo treis hmeres. Einai mia pyknothta poy einai prwtognwrh gia ton ellhniko xwro kai malista se ena periballon idiaitera ychlwn qermokrasiwn poy tis synodeyan kai alla kairika fainomena poy odhghsan ton kratiko mhxanismo sto na dokimazei synexws thn antoxh toy, thn proetoimasia toy, tis dynatothtes tis opoies exei. Shmasia exei oti katablhqhke apo oloys ekeinoys poy meteixan, kai htan para polloi, kaqe prospaqeia poy xreiazetai wste na sbhsoyn aytes oi pyrkagies poy htan perissoteres apo 300. Den yparxei kamia amfibolia oti exoyme mia megalh fysikh katastrofh. Opws jerete, akomh antimetwpizontai esties kai yparxoyn kindynoi anazwpyrwshs.

XIWTHS: Ola ayta poy lete ta apodexomai, alla apo thn allh den apantate ean entopisate problhmata elleichs syntonismoy. Kai to lew ayto, oxi me kapoia diaqesh kritikhs, alla me to gegonos oti sthn epomenh fora poy qa xreiastei na kinhqei pali o kratikos mhxanismos gia na periswsei enan allo pneymona prasinoy, ean yparxoyn ayta ta problhmata kai den ta anadeiknyete, tote pws qa leitoyrghsei kai thn epomenh fora;

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti aytoi oi opoioi einai tagmenoi sto sygkekrimeno ergo, sygkekrimena h Pyrosbestikh Yphresia, alloi organismoi, alloi foreis toy Dhmosioy kanoyn synexws elegxo twn drasewn tis opoies jediplwnoyn kai tis beltiwnoyn. Etsi prepei na ginetai ejalloy.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, milwntas nwritera sto radiofwniko staqmo FLASH o k. Xrysoxoidhs, apokalyce oti yparxei antipyriko sxedio eidiko gia thn Parnhqa to opoio malista eixe epikairopoihqei enocei twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. To erwthma einai: Giati to sxedio ayto den efarmosthke;

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na mpw kai den qa to kanw --den to ekana oyte thn Paraskeyh-- se qemata epixeirhsiaka. Gi` ayto, parakalw, na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio. Den eimai se qesh na sas apanthsw se tetoia eidika erwthmata.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ton Martio eixe paroysiastei apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai ton kaq` ylh armodio Ypoyrgo, ws Proistameno ths Politikhs Prostasias, ton k. Paylopoylo, to Eqniko Sxedio prolhchs kai antimetwpishs dasikwn pyrkagiwn. Ayto to sxedio poy paroysiasthke tote kai malista eixe kanei epideiktikes dhlwseis tote o k. Paylopoylos enantion toy PASOK, leitoyrghse sthn periptwsh ths Parnhqas;

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh den hsaste edw thn Paraskeyh, otan ekana thn enhmerwsh, eipa oti to sxedio, bebaiws, egkairws to eixe ekponhsei h kybernhsh apo thn pleyra ths kai o kratikos mhxanismos apo th dikh toy thn pleyra kai malista se ena xroniko shmeio poly pio nwris apo kaqe allh xronia, an qymamai kala. Eixame, omws, na antimetwpisoyme pragmatika akraia, asynhqista, prwtognwra, monadika gia th xwra mas kairika fainomena. Pote allote h xwra mas, apo tote poy metrwntai oi qermokrasies, metrwntai kai katagrafontai ta kairika fainomena, den eixe gia toso megalo xroniko diasthma toso ychles qermokrasies, asynhqistes, monadikes se olh th xwra, me ola ta epakoloyqa poy fernoyn aytes oi asynhqista ychles qermokrasies. Ta sxedia poy ekponoyntai einai akribws gia na efarmozontai.

SARANTAKOS: Eipate pali gia tis ychles qermokrasies poy yphrxan to teleytaio diasthma. Ayto fantazomai omws den aifnidiase thn kybernhsh. H Eqnikh Metewrologikh Yphresia poly kairo prin, elege oti epikeitai kayswnas. Malista qymamai oti ektos toy k. Paylopoyloy gia to qema ths prostasias twn daswn kai ton k. Sioyfa na leei kai na desmeyetai oti den yparxei qema gia mplak-aoyt. Telika kai ta dyo synebhsan.

ANTWNAROS: Oyte to ena synebh, oyte to allo. To mplak aoyt den synebh.

SARANTAKOS: Oi polites toy Peiraia kai ths Qessalonikhs, nomizw oti to biwsan.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas ektimhsh, thn opoia den symmerizetai h megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn.

SARANTAKOS: Den einai dikh moy ektimhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kamia diaqesh na antidikhsw mazi sas.

SARANTAKOS: Oyte egw.

ANTWNAROS: Opws jerete, katagrafhkan orismenes diakopes reymatos. Qa sas parakalesw, omws, na mh moy tiqentai synexeia oi idies erwthseis. Otan kapoios den einai gia polles hmeres sto briefing na erxetai kai na ypoballei tis erwthseis poy exoyn ginei tis prohgoymenes hmeres. Qa pw, loipon, gia mia akomh fora, oti eixame ayjhsh ths katanalwshs hlektrikoy reymatos kata 30% mesa se deka hmeres. Ayto einai monadiko fainomeno gia thn Ellada. Den exei janaginei pote allote. Gia de tis qermokrasies kaneis den eixe problecei oti qa exoyn toso megalo ycos kai malista me toso megalh diarkeia. Dhmioyrgoyn, loipon, eidikes synqhkes. Ayto to lene oloi oi klimatologoi. Einai pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh. Den yparxei apo thn allh pleyra kamia amfibolia oti ayto poy egine, h katastrofh megaloy meroys ths Parnhqas, mono qlich, lyph kai agwnia mporei na prokalesei.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, toso sto parelqon, oso kai sto trihmero, tetrahmero ayto anadeixqhke ena shmantiko problhma. Dhladh, otan yparxoyn dyo kentra syntonismoy ta opoia anaferontai se diaforetika Ypoyrgeia, fainetai oti dhmioyrgeitai kai yphrxan analoga paradeigmata kai sto parelqon, dhmioyrgoyntai sobara problhmata syntonismoy. Meta ta osa synebhsan h kybernhsh ejetazei to endexomeno enopoihshs twn Ypoyrgeiwn Eswterikwn kai Dhmosias Tajhs, prokeimenoy ta kentra pleon, oi foreis na mhn anaferontai se dyo diaforetika kentra;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy kati tetoio.

KAKALHS: Mporoyn ta oikonomika ths Elladas na antejoyn to kostos ths prolhptikhs prostasias twn daswn;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalabainw thn erwthsh sas. Einai entelws qewrhtikh.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, den einai dikh moy erwthsh, einai erwthsh toy k. Byrwna Polydwra poy diatypwnetai shmera mesw ths ``ELEYQEROTYPIAS''.

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai se qesh na sas apanthsw ayth thn erwthsh.

KAKALHS: Ama den mporeite na apanthsete ayth, pws lete ola ta alla; Ta alla ola katarreoyn, poy lete oti einai sto kentro ths politikhs ths kybernhshs h prostasia twn daswn klp. O k. Polydwras qetei eyqews to erwthma: Mporoyn ta oikonomika ths Elladas na antejoyn to kostos ths politikhs prostasias twn daswn;

MELIGKWNHS: To Sabbato o k. Polydwras eipe oti sthn Parnhqa kai idiaitera ston eqniko drymo qa akoloyqhqei to montelo ths Xalkidikhs. Wstoso, osoi exoyn paei sth Xalkidikh kai shmera kai o dieyqynths ths WWF sto radiofwno ``KOKKINO'' ekane sxetikes dhlwseis, den exei ginei apolytws tipote. Telika, poio qa einai to montelo poy qa akoloyqhqei;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn oi dhlwseis toy Ypoyrgoy.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Einai zhthma epixeirhsiakoy h politikoy sxediasmoy h proteraiothta poy didete se mia diaxeirish krisews opws ayth me thn opoia breqhke antimetwph h kybernhsh; Kai gia na ejhgoymai, einai zhthma epixeirhsiakoy sxediasmoy h politikoy sxediasmoy, to gegonos oti den egine mia sygkekrimenh epilogh gia to poy qa estiasoyn oi dynameis gia thn katasbesh. Einai zhthma epixeirhsiakoy h politikoy sxediasmoy to gegonos oti den elhfqh apofash gia to an qa eprepe na rifqei analogo nero stoys pylwnes ths DEH; Ola ayta ta apofasisan dhladh oi epixeirhsiaka ypeyqynoi h oi politikoi toys proistamenoi;

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei gi` ayta ta qemata thn Paraskeyh. Exoyn doqei se ola ayta apanthseis.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh ayto poy qa rwthsw den exei apanthqei thn Paraskeyh giati egine xqes. Prokeitai gia tis dhlwseis toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, o opoios eipe oti ektos apo th qlich toy, oti prepei na stamathsoyme na milame, na siwphsoyme kai na to kanoyme ayto to qema, eqniko qema. Zhthse eqnikh synennohsh. Yparxei skech gia tetoioy eidoys eqnikhs synennohshs se epipedo politikwn arxhgwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw, opws gnwrizete, dhlwseis toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Eqniko qema, omws, einai ayto to qema, oytws h allws. Dioti afora thn ygeia, th zwh olwn mas, to periballon mesa sto opoio kinoymeqa oloi mas kai einai ena qema epishs poy jepernaei ta synora ths xwras mas. Einai ena qema, poy opws sas eipa kai eisagwgika, afora ton planhth mas. Einai ena qema poy afora th zwh olwn twn anqrwpwn poy anapneoyn ton idio aera poy anapneoyme kai emeis. Opws sas eipa, h Ellada, h shmerinh kybernhsh exei analabei poly shmantikes prwtoboylies sto qema toy periballontos, kleinontas kena ta opoia eixan dhmioyrghqei tis teleytaies dekaeties.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, egw paroti hmoyn thn Paraskeyh edw, den exw katalabei akomh ena pragma. Poios eixe telika th synolikh eyqynh gia thn katasbesh ths fwtias sthn Parnhqa. Thn eixe h Politikh Prostasia; Leei oxi; Thn eixe to Pyrosbestiko Swma; Thn eixe synolika h kybernhsh; Thn eixe o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs; Giati to rwtw ayto. Giati o idios o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs dhlwse oti ``egw den eimai pontikos gia na krybomai''. Sthn oysia, einai ena jespasma ayto, ean moy epitrepetai, na to ermhneysw. Ara loipon edw kapoios eixe thn eyqynh gia to sbhsimo ths fwtias. Poios thn eixe telika;

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei se ola ayta.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh milhsate dyo fores gia ta kena poy sas klhrodothse to xqes, sas qymizw dhlwseis ton Oktwbrio toy 2004, toy tote Ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs, k. G. Boylgarakh, o opoios eixe pei ``eimaste apolyta ikanopoihmenoi apo thn Pyrosbestikh Yphresia'' kai to idio diasthma toy k. P. Foyrla o opoios eixe pei oti ``pairnoyme sygxarhthria apo toys jenoys, oi jenoi miloyn pia gia ellhniko montelo dasopyrosbeshs''.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den sas egine antilhpto ti eipa. Milhsa gia kena anaferomenos sto periballon. Eipa, sthn eisagwgikh moy dhlwsh oti kalycame kena ta opoia eixan dhmioyrghqei tis teleytaies dekaeties. Kai htan h dhlwsh poy anaferotan sto periballon, oxi sthn Pyrosbestikh Yphresia, opws prospaqeite na to ermhneysete.

GKOYTZANHS: Entajei. Ta kena kai oi elleiceis sth leitoyrgia ths Pyrosbestikhs Yphresias poy diapistwqhkan aytes tis hmeres, mporeite na mas peite poy ofeilontai;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa kai thn perasmenh ebdomada oti eginan sygkekrimenes proslhceis gia thn Pyrosbestikh Yphresia, gia thn kalych kenwn ta opoia eixan prokycei kai exoyn dromologhqei diagwnismoi gia thn proslhch kai allwn ypallhlwn. Eipa, epishs, oti ean eixan proslhfqei polloi perissoteroi, h kybernhsh endexomenws qa edexeto kritikh, opws ginetai syxna, gia yperbolikes proslhceis. Twra poy eginan proslhceis, qa elega, lelogismenes, yparxei kritikh giati den eginan perissoteres proslhceis. Kena, opoy yparxoyn  kai yparxoyn stis dhmosies yphresies kena, oxi se oles, alla yparxoyn kena-- kalyptontai sta plaisia twn oikonomikwn dynatothtwn poy exei h xwra.

SPYRAKH: Epeidh o Prwqypoyrgos milhse thn Kyriakh gia to qema ths pyrkagias kai dexqhke mia kritikh oti den perilambane sthn omilia toy kamia anafora se o,ti afora toys ypeyqynoys aytwn twn pyrkagiwn. Oi pyrkagies, profanws, ektos apo ta fysika aitia, prepei na exoyn kai alla aitia gia thn epektash toys kai th mh egkairh katasbesh toys. Profanws, to oti den egine anafora apo ton Prwqypoyrgo mporei na ofeilontan kai sto gegonos oti htan kai to sygkekrimeno plaisio ths omilias tetoio. H kybernhsh den exei entopisei apo ekei kai pera eyqynes peran aytoy; To lew kai me aformh thn kritikh poy dexetai o Prwqypoyrgos.

ANTWNAROS: Menw sthn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Den exw na prosqesw h na afairesw kati.

SPYRAKH: Dhladh, den entopizete eseis thn piqanothta na yparxoyn ypeyqynoi gia to oti aytes oi pyrkagies elaban tetoia ektash kai prokalesan ayth thn katastrofh.

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eipa, oi dikastikes arxes kanoyn ereyna gia ta aitia twn pyrkagiwn.

SPYRAKH: Ayto shmainei oti h kybernhsh afhnei anoikto to endexomeno oi pyrkagies oi opoies briskontai se ejelijh na apoteloyn sthn pleionothta toys, na einai apotelesma emprhsmwn;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den einai dikasths.

TSIOYFOS: Eipate prin apo ligo oti ta kena kalyptontai sta plaisia twn oikonomikwn dynatothtwn poy exei h xwra. Proteraiothta ths kybernhshs, telika, htan h epanasystash twn agronomwn kai oxi oi proslhceis sthn Pyrosbestikh;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws den exete antilhfqei, gia mia akomh fora, to neo rolo poy exei shmera h ``Ellhnikh Agrofylakh''. Einai anqrwpoi oi opoioi qa asxoloyntai me thn prostasia toy periballontos sto opoio zoyme. H yperaploysteytikh proseggish den nomizw oti ejyphretei.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kai pali epeidh eipate gia tis oikonomikes dynatothtes ths xwras, sth DEH to 51% toy paketoy twn metoxwn ejakoloyqei na katexei to Dhmosio. Qewreite oti htan katallhlh sygkyria na diplasiastoyn oi amoibes toy Proedroy ths DEH otan den exei dwsei eparkh deigmata grafhs sthn apodosh toy kai otan h DEH, opws emfanisthke se ayth th sygkyria, exei megala kena gia thn ananewsh toy ejoplismoy ths kai otan, epipleon, perysi to Dhmosio eixe arnhqei na doqei ena mponoys ston Proedro twn ELPE, o opoios eixe apodeijei oti eixe ferei kerdh sthn etaireia; Yparxoyn, loipon, ta erwthmata: Prwton, yparxoyn dyo metra kai dyo staqma sth DEH kai sta ELPE; Kai deyteron, htan katallhlh h sygkyria na doqoyn 200.000 eyrw, nomizw, me thn egkrish toy Dhmosioy ston k. Aqanasopoylo;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw se leptomereies to sygkekrimeno qema. Pantws, jerw oti elhfqh me apofash ths genikhs syneleyshs mias eishgmenhs sto Xrhmatisthrio etaireias.

POYLIDOY: Me to 51% toy Dhmosioy, k. Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

SPYRAKH: Qelw na rwthsw, ean exoyme teleiwsei me thn pyrkagia, gia thn eikona poy exei h kybernhsh se sxesh me to biblio ths Istorias. Yparxoyn plhrofories oti oi diorqwseis poy proxwroyn hdh sto biblio ths Istorias, einai tetoies poy sto teliko toys apotelesma qa exoyme ena allo biblio. Tis epibebaiwnete eseis aytes tis plhrofories;

ANTWNAROS: Exei topoqethqei h Ypoyrgos Paideias. Den exw na prosqesw kati se osa exei pei h Ypoyrgos Paideias.

SPYRAKH: Epibebaiwnontai ta dhmosieymata poy lene oti o Prwqypoyrgos edwse entolh na aposyrqei to biblio;

ANTWNAROS: Menw stis dhlwseis ths Ypoyrgoy Paideias.

XIWTHS: Oi dhlwseis ths Ypoyrgoy Paideias einai palaioteres. Apo tote yparxei mia entonh fhmologia oti to sygkekrimeno biblio, logw twn pollwn diorqwsewn poy prepei na ypostei, den qa didaxqei ayth th xronia. Jerete na mas peite ean ayto to biblio qa eisaxqei ayth th xronia h qa krathqei...

ANTWNAROS: Menw stis dhlwseis ths Ypoyrgoy Paideias tis opoies, efoson to epiqymeite, eyxaristws na sas tis promhqeysw. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

XIWTHS: Exw thn entypwsh pws agnoeite to gegonos oti oi dhlwseis ths Ypoyrgoy Paideias einai arketa palies.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, bebaiws.

XRHSTAKOS: Na epanelqw stis fwties kai na rwthsw kati to opoio, toylaxiston se emena, exei prokalesei mia aporia. Qa hqela na to dieykrinisoyme. Eipate kai thn Paraskeyh bebaiws, oti h kybernhsh qa edexeto kritikh akomh kai an eixan proslhfqei perissoteroi, epeidh qa ekane proslhceis.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti th mia fora ginetai kritikh, dioti ginontai proslhceis, thn allh fora ginetai kritikh giati ston idio organismo den ginontai proslhceis. Aytoi poy kanoyn thn kritikh proseggizoyn to qema apo thn pleyra poy, ekastote, pisteyoyn oti toys symferei.

XRHSTAKOS: Kai eipate, ean qymamai kala, oti eginan lelogismenes proslhceis.

ANTWNAROS: Lelogismenes malista. Kai to epejhghsa meta, ennowntas mesa sta plaisia twn oikonomikwn dynatothtwn poy exei h xwra.

XRHSTAKOS: Kai dexeste twra kritikh, giati den proslhfqhsan perissoteroi gia na antimetwpistoyn piqanws tetoia fainomena. To ``lelogismenes proslhceis'' shmainei oti h kybernhsh kalyce ta kena poy yphrxan kata th dikh ths apoch kai thn apoch, bebaiws, twn texnokratwn kai twn arxwn twn armodiwn h logw oikonomikwn anagkwn den kalyfqhkan ayta poy eprepe na kalyfqoyn, alla proslhfqhsan ligoi...

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai ayth th stigmh se qesh na anaferqw eidika stoys ariqmoys twn proslhcewn sthn Pyrosbestikh Yphresia.

N.PAPADHMHTRIOY : Kyrie Ekproswpe, egw na sas rwthsw gia kapoia alla noymera kai ariqmoys sto qema twn pyrkagiwn kai pali. O k. Alabanos, epikaloymenos apanthsh ths Epitropoy k. Xoympner ston eyrwboyleyth Dhmhtrh Papadhmoylh, dhlwse oti h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh mas edine 25 ek. eyrw gia dasoprostasia sto diasthma 2000 ews 2007. Parola ayta, den phrame oyte ena eyrw. Poia einai h apanthsh sto skelos fysika poy afora thn dikh sas kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den to jerw to qema kai den mporw na sas apanthsw.

KAKALHS: Giati na qewrhsoyme ajiopisth th diabebaiwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy ``oti to dasos qa janaginei dasos to lew kai to ennow'', otan o idios o Prwqypoyrgos apo ton Marth diabebaiwne toys Ellhnes oti fetos nwritera apo kaqe allh xronia efarmozoyme to Eqniko sxedio gia thn antimetwpish twn pyrkagiwn kai apodeixqhke oti den apetrece kaqoloy tis pyrkagies. Mhpws sta apokaidia ths Parnhqas kahkan kai ta teleytaia chgmata ajiopistias ths kybernhshs kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: Thn ajiopistia toy Prwqypoyrgoy thn krinoyn kaqe mera oi Ellhnes polites kai thn krinoyn me tropo poy endexomenws na mhn aresei se kapoioys, alla kaneis den ton amfisbhtei. H megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn qewrei oti o logos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oi prajeis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ta erga ths shmerinhs kybernhshs exoyn apolyth ajiopistia.

KAKALHS: Posa kondylia exoyn diateqei fetos apo ton Proypologismo gia thn prostasia twn daswn; Jerete;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio na sas pei.

KAKALHS: Ma ypotiqetai oti einai basikh proteraiothta sas. Eipate prohgoymenws oti h prostasia toy periballontos einai sto epikentro ths politikhs mas kai agnoeite ta kondylia poy exoyn doqei;

ANTWNAROS: Eyxaristws na sas dwsw argotera ola ta sxetika stoixeia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw qa epanelqw sto qema twn apozhmiwsewn kai toy kostoys. Den jerw an eteqh. Epeidh anaferqhkate eseis o idios sthn eisagwgikh omilia sas oti qa ginei se o,ti afora to qema ths apozhmiwshs twn dikaioyxwn oti problepei o nomos.

ANTWNAROS: Malista.

PALAIOLOGOS: Yparxei kati pio ejeidikeymeno pera apo ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Den eimai se qesh na sas ejhghsw toys nomoys poy efarmozontai en prokeimenw.

XIWTHS: An katalaba kala mia prohgoymenh apanthsh sas k. Ekproswpe, apodexeste th diatypwsh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias oti ayto einai ena eqniko qema. Fantazomai oti apodexeste, epishs, oti ena eqniko qema apaitei eqnikh synennohsh. Anarwtiemai an ap olh ayth thn katastash poy exei dhmioyrghqei kai ap aytes tis dhmosies desmeyseis poy exei analabei kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh, h kybernhsh qa epimeinei sthn anaqewrhsh enos arqroy toy Syntagmatos gia to opoio kaneis allos den symfwnei; Oyte ta kommata, oyte oi episthmonikoi foreis. Anaferomai asfalws sto arqro 24 toy Syntagmatos.

ANTWNAROS: H syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh exei sygkekrimenh diadikasia, h opoia kai akoloyqeitai.

ARMENHS: Xqes hrqe sto fws ths dhmosiothtas ena akomh binteo poy kata thn gnwmh moy den tima thn Ellhnikh Astynomia. Se sxolh ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias dokimes astynomikines eidame eikones poy den timoyn thn Ellhnikh Astynomia. Poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs. Sas problhmatizoyn ayta ta binteo poy erxontai...

ANTWNAROS: Eilikrina den to exw ypoch moy, alla en pash periptwsei, ean sto binteo ayto apeikonizontai prajeis parabatikoy xarakthros einai apolytws katadikastees.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh molis mphke o Ioylios. Oi dyskoloi mhnes gia tis pyrkagies einai o Ioylios kai opws jerete kai o Aygoystos. Mhpws ayto to Eqniko sxedio anaqewrhqei kai ginoyn ta osa xreiazontai gia na glytwsoyme ta ypoloipa dash;

ANTWNAROS: To Eqniko sxedio, opws gnwrizete, exei ekponhqei gia olo to qeros. Ayto akribws poy eipate deixnei akribws thn idiaiterothta twn fainomenwn poy biwsame ton Ioynio. Ena mhna poy mexri twra ta teleytaia 110 xronia den paroysiaze synhqws tetoia akraia fainomena. Kai ayto akribws apodeiknyei tis dyskolies poy antimetwpisan osoi exoyn taxqei gia na elegjoyn tetoia fainomena poy dhmioyrgoyn problhmata sto periballon.

KOTTARIDHS: An janabiwsoyme ton Ioylio h ton Aygoysto tetoia akraia kairika fainomena, profanws prepei na anamenoyme thn idia antidrash ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai ti qelete na peite me to ``thn idia antidrash ths kybernhshs''.

KOTTARIDHS: Thn anyparkth antidrash ths kybernhshs, h opoia logw twn akraiwn kairikwn fainomenwn...

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas ektimhsh, thn opoia den mporw na symmeristw se kamia periptwsh.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh kamia kybernhsh den einai xaroymenh otan brisketai antimetwph me mia toso megalh oikologikh katastrofh, opws oi pyrkagies se Parnhqa kai Phlio, ayto endexetai na ephreasei kai to xrono twn eklogwn, dedomenoy oti tria prwtoklasata stelexh zhtoyn na pame gia ekloges to fqinopwro;

ANTWNAROS: Gia to qema twn eklogwn exei topoqethqei epaneilhmmenws, me apolyth safhneia, o Prwqypoyrgos. Den exw na prosqesw h na afairesw tipota apo osa exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

MELIGKWNHS: Giati maqame aifnidiastika gia th diaqesh paketoy metoxwn toy OTE; Kai epishs qa hqela na rwthsw: Twra pia poy panw apo to 50% toy Organismoy einai se idiwtes, ayto mporei na shmanei kati mellontika gia to poios qa exei to manatzment;

ANTWNAROS: Gia to qema toy OTE exoyn topoqethqei epaneilhmmena oi synarmodioi Ypoyrgoi. Fobamai oti den exete parakoloyqhsei oso prosektika eprepe tis anakoinwseis poy exoyn ginei gia thn topoqethsh twn metoxwn toy OTE, eidallws den qa eixate aifnidiastei.

GKOYTZANHS: Xqes, h efhmerida to ``PRWTO QEMA'' eixe ena qema gia tis kores triwn prwhn h nyn anwtatwn kai anwterwn dikastikwn, twn kyriwn Siderh, Koliokwsta kai Zormpa, oi opoies exoyn topoqethqei stis yphresies ths Boylhs. Aytoi oi diorismoi den apoteloyn an mh ti allo yponoies gia diaplokh ths kybernhtikhs me th dikastikh ejoysia kai gia akyrwsh anejarthsias ths Dikaiosynhs;

ANTWNAROS: To poios sebetai thn anejarthsia ths Dikaiosynhs einai ena qema poy exei apodeixqei sthn prajh synexws apo th shmerinh kybernhsh. Oi epiqeseis kai oi ybreis kata ths Dikaiosynhs xarakthrizoyn th stash toy PASOK, eite brisketai sthn kybernhsh, eite brisketai sth antipoliteysh.

SPYRAKH: Me sygxwreite, alla edw sas bazei ena erwthma poy afora gegonos, den afora to PASOK. Yparxei ena gegonos. Isxyei ayto to gegonos; Phgan ayta ta tria xaritwmena koritsia sth Boylh h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai qema poy afora th Boylh. Alla den eqese ayto to erwthma o k. Gkoytzanhs. Eqese qema anejarthsias kai sebasmoy ths Dikaiosynhs.

Sas eyxaristw.

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