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Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-06-29

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 29 Ioynioy 2007

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Asfalws den einai mia eyxaristh hmera shmera.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GIANNISHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, oi dhlwseis poy ekane shmera to prwi o k. Polydwras, meta thn ektakth syskech poy egine sto Megaro Majimoy, briskoyn symfwno ton Prwqypoyrgo; Aphxoyn to klima kai to pneyma ths syskechs h opoia prohghqhke;

ANTWNAROS: Ti ennoeite;

GIANNISHS: Ennow, ean o Prwqypoyrgos einai ikanopoihmenos me ton tropo me ton opoio oi Ypoyrgoi xeiristhkan thn ektakth ayth katastash.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos synergasthke shmera, stis 6.30 to prwi , me to xarama ths hmeras, me toys synarmodioys Ypoyrgoys. Enhmerwqhke gia thn ejelijh mias katastashs h opoia kaqe allo para eyxaristh einai. Anaferomai, bebaia, sthn pyknothta kai th syxnothta twn estiwn, se poly mikro xroniko diasthma, se kairikes synqhkes oi opoies einai prwtofaneis gia th xwra mas. Kai edwse, bebaiws, peraiterw odhgies gia to syntonismo. Thn enhmerwsh gia th syskech, h opoia egine ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai dihrkese dyo peripoy wres, thn ekane o Ypoyrgos k. Polydwras.

PALAIOLOGOS: O k. Polydwras omws, epeidh xqes eixan bgei pros ta ejw plhrofories oti den eixe antapokriqei plhrws sta kaqhkonta toy, rwthqhke bebaiws ean yphrxe kapoia dysforia pros to proswpo toy, an antapokriqhke eparkws sta kaqhkonta toy. Bebaiws, h apanthsh poy edwse htan oti htan dyskoles oi kairikes synqhkes, dyskolos o kairos, h fwtia htan dyskola antimetwpisimh. To qema einai, h erwthsh moy: Qa mporoyse kai kalytera na eixe leitoyrghsei h kratikh mhxanh;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora oti oi synqhkes tis opoies antimetwpise h xwra gia arketa eikositetrawra, einai prwtofaneis, kaqoloy synhqismenes gia th xwra mas. Opws eipe xarakthristika xqes o k. Sioyfas, milwntas sth Boylh, epikratoysan synqhkes kai qermokrasies erhmoy. Den exoyme janazhsei sthn Ellada apo thn epoxh poy ginetai katametrhsh kai katagrafh twn qermokrasiwn, tetoies qermokrasies se tetoia diarkeia xronoy. Ayto poy exei shmasia ayth th stigmh einai oti kataballontai shmantikes prospaqeies apo oloklhro ton kratiko mhxanismo. Ean dei kaneis to xarth opoy jespasan pyrkagies, opoy yphrjan esties, qa diapistwsei oti eixame apo tis 27 ews tis 29 Ioynioy, dhladh mexri xqes brady, 307 pyrkagies. Pote allote sth xwra --kai den mporw na kanw sygkriseis me alles xwres, alla fantazomai kai se alles xwres poy exoyn paromoies klimatikes synqhkes me tis dikes mas etsi qa einai-- den yphrjan toses pyrkagies. Kai oloi oi anqrwpoi poy apasxoloyntai sthn Pyrosbestikh Yphresia kai se alles yphresies toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy, kaqws kai xiliades eqelontes, katebalan kai ejakoloyqoyn na kataballoyn yperanqrwpes prospaqeies me oles tis dynameis toys, mh lambanontas ypoch ton kopo, wste na sbhsoyn oi pyrkagies. Exete synexh roh plhroforhshs apo to Pyrosbestiko Swma, to opoio exei kai thn epixeirhsiakh eyqynh gia thn antimetwpish toy sygkekrimenoy qematos.

XRHSTAKOS: Epeidh milhsate gia megalh pyknothta kai syxnothta se poly mikro xroniko diasthma, exei h kybernhsh apo ta stoixeia poy exei labei apo tis armodies arxes mexri twra, bebaia akomh einai dyskolh h katastash kai nwris, exei kapoia stoixeia oti mporei na prokeitai gia dolies energeies; Kai na rwthsw kai kati deytero, ean sth syskech syzhthqhke apo thn kybernhsh na lhfqoyn kapoia metra oytws wste na prostateyontai ta dash mas, na prolambanontai oi fwties, giati einai kati to opoio syzhtoyme epi dekaeties sthn Ellada kai ftanoyme pali sto idio shmeio, na qymomaste megales pyrkagies. H Attikh den exei pia alla dash na kaoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Den qelw na mpw kai den mporw na mpw allwste ayth th stigmh, den eimai kai eidikos, sto prwto qema to opoio qijate. Rwthqhke o k. Polydwras, edwse kai mia apanthsh, thn opoia prosypografw, me thn ennoia oti ekeino poy ayth th stigmh apasxolei oloys mas kai panw sto opoio epikentrwnontai oi prospaqeies olwn mas kai kyriws ekeinwn oi opoioi einai tagmenoi gia na antimetwpizoyn tetoioy eidoys fysikes katastrofes, tetoioy eidoys fysika fainomena, einai h apotelesmatikh antimetwpish aytwn twn fainomenwn. Me alla logia, na sbhsoyn oi pyrkagies, na mhn proklhqei allh zhmia kai allh katastrofh. Ola ta alla epontai. Qa hqela na sas ypenqymisw akomh oti h shmerinh kybernhsh se pyrkagies poy ekdhlwqhkan kata th qhteia ths perysi kai propersi --h xwra mas einai mia xwra ths Mesogeioy me ychles qermokrasies, stegno klima kai exei pyrkagies to kalokairi-- elabe sygkekrimena metra: Phre sygkekrimenes apofaseis, khryje tis perioxes amesws anadaswtees, kategrace tis zhmies kai den epetrece se kamia periptwsh, akribws, epeidh phre amesws ayta ta metra --eixan ginei kai tote sygkekrimenes anakoinwseis-- na ejyphrethqoyn kapoioi poy piqanon na yparxoyn kai apergazontai kapoia sxedia. Den qelw ayth th stigmh na kanw kamia eikasia. Qa hqela omws na sas ypenqymisw kai to ejhs: Sas eixa milhsei prin apo liges hmeres gia thn anagkh syntajews twn dasikwn xartwn poy einai kati aparaithto, kati to opoio, opws gnwrizete, h shmerinh kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias exei prowqhsei kai elpizei na jeperastoyn orismena nomika empodia --sta opoia shmera den qa hqela na anaferqw-- ta opoia yparxoyn, wste na ginei h katartish aytwn twn dasikwn xartwn. Kati poy anamfibola eprepe na eixe ginei edw kai polla xronia. Epistrefw, omws, sthn oysia kai epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora: H xwra mas breqhke antimetwph me eidikes, asynhqistes, prwtofaneis synqhkes. Kai ekeino poy metraei ayth th stigmh kai eimai bebaios oti se ayto exoyme oloi th symparastash olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn, giati kaneis den qelei na blepei na kaigontai dash, na kaigontai idiokthsies, na katastrefetai o ploytos ths xwras, ekeino loipon poy proexei einai aplo: Oi anqrwpoi oi opoioi me aytoqysia, aytaparnhsh, xwris na lambanoyn ypoch ton kopo ton opoio kataballoyn, gia dyo kai pleon hmeres, na afeqoyn eleyqeroi me tis eidikes gnwseis kai thn peira poy exoyn, na antimetwpisoyn ta problhmata poy akomh yparxoyn. Ta opoia, opws asfalws qa exete enhmerwqei apo thn Pyrosbestikh Yphresia, exoyn men perioristei ston ariqmo, alla ejakoloyqoyn na yparxoyn.

MPESKENHS: Mas to aposafhnizete ligo, poioi toys desmeyoyn aytoys toys anqrwpoys kai den einai eleyqeroi;

ANTWNAROS: Kaneis. Sth rymh toy logoy moy epeleja endexomenws laqos lejh. Ennow na afeqoyn aperispastoi. Den ennow oti kaneis --pros Qeoy-- proballei empodia h dyskolies. Alla, as mh jexname oti kai aytoi oi anqrwpoi briskontai se eidikes synqhkes, se edafh ta opoia einai --an kai konta sthn Aqhna orismena-- dyskola prospelasima, gia eidikoys logoys. Giati oi oreinoi ogkoi den einai eykola prospelasimoi panta kai oi anqrwpoi aytoi einai twra, apo tis 27 toy mhnos, treis hmeres konta, dyomish hmeres toylaxiston se synexh drash.

KAKALHS: Ektos apo tis fqhnes dikaiologies peri prwtofanwn synqhkwn, tis opoies exei bareqei na tis akoyei o kosmos, opws exei bareqei kai toys prohgoymenoys poy legane gia akraia kairika fainomena, exete na dwsete mia sygkekrimenh kai safh apanthsh sto lao toy lekanopedioy giati kahke h Parnhqa; Poioi dieprajan ayto to egklhma, giati den to apetrece h kybernhsh, giati afhsate na kaei h Parnhqa;

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw posa xronia zeite se ayth thn polh sthn opoia oloi mas zoyme. Alla egw den qymamai pote allote na antimetwpise h xwra  ap` o,ti moy lene kai oi statistikes kai den exw logo na tis amfisbhtw-- tetoies kairikes synqhkes apo tote poy ginetai katagrafh twn kairikwn synqhkwn. Einai prwtofaneis edw kai perissotero apo 100 xronia. Synepws, qa prepei kaneis ayto na to lambanei ypoch toy, otan antimetwpizei mia katastash h opoia asfalws einai dysaresth, mas ponaei oloys mas. Kaneis den einai eykolo na symbibastei me ayto poy symbainei, oti kaigontai dhladh oi prasinoi pneymones ths Aqhnas, ths Attikhs. Alla, na mhn blepoyme ta panta me mia yperaploysteytikh proseggish. Ola ta gegonota den einai ta idia.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla otan o Prwqypoyrgos stis 13 Martioy diabebaiwne ton ellhniko lao kai ton lao toy lekanopedioy oti fetos, nwritera apo kaqe allh xronia efarmozoyme to eqniko sxedio gia thn prolhch kai thn antimetwpish twn pyrkagiwn, ti ennooyse; Htan koyfia logia; Poy einai ayto to eqniko sxedio; Pws ekfrasthke ayto sthn Parnhqa, sto Phlio kai alloy;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws me thn taxythta poy exete na diatypwnete tis erwthseis sas kai thn proetoimasia thn opoia exete kanei, den lambanete ypoch to aplo stoixeio poy sas eipa: Oti pote allote apo tote poy katagrafontai qermokrasies kai klimatika fainomena sto xwro mas, den exei antimetwpisei h xwra mia tetoia megalhs diarkeias, pera apo kaqe ti allo poy eixame dei, katastash me toso ychles qermokrasies. O Prwqypoyrgos milhse tote gi` ayto to opoio eixe kanei apo tote, egkairws, o kratikos mhxanismos.

KAKALHS: Apodeixqhke oti den htan tipota.

ANTWNAROS: Aplws kaneis den mporei na problecei mia katastash h opoia pote allote den exei enskhcei ston ellhniko xwro.

KAKALHS: Kataggelloyn oi Dhmarxoi kai oi Nomarxes oti oyte pyrosbestika oxhmata, oyte aeroplana emfanisthkan tis prwtes wres kai afeqhke apo ta Derbenoxwria h fwtia breqhke ston Eqniko Drymo.

ANTWNAROS: As moy epitrecete, loipon, na sas dwsw orismena stoixeia. To trihmero apo tis 27 ews tis 29 Ioynioy 2007, shmeiwqhkan se olh th xwra 307 dasikes pyrkagies. Analytikotera 96 pyrkagies thn Trith 26 Ioynioy, 106 pyrkagies thn Tetarth 27 Ioynioy kai 105 pyrkagies thn Pempth 28 Ioynioy, xqes dhladh. Apo aytes oi 120 elegxqhkan thn prwth wra, oi 80 apo dyo ews treis wres, oi 50 apo treis ews pente wres kai oi ypoloipes 57 pyrkagies panw apo pente wres. Panw apo tis mises pyrkagies poy sas anefera, ekdhlwqhkan kata tis meshmerianes wres kai sygkekrimena apo tis 15:00 mexri tis 18:00. Ayth th stigmh poy sas milaw, briskontai, epixeiroyn opws lene oi eidikoi, briskontai dhladh ekei opoy yparxoyn oi pyrkagies 315 oxhmata me 1487 ypallhloys, 500 stratiwtes kai yparxei kai symmetoxh ths ellhnikhs astynomias me peripolies se olo ton oreino ogko ths xwras. Ayto deixnei  to lew gia mia akomh fora-- to megeqos, thn ektash, thn asynhqisth ektash aytoy poy symbainei tis 2,5 teleytaies hmeres sth xwra mas meta apo qermokrasies, prwtofaneis, idiaitera ychles, apolyta asynhqistes kai se diarkeia kai se entash kai se baqmoys gia ton ellhniko xwro.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, an katalabainw kala, mas lete oti gia ola ftaiei h zesth. Egw qa hqela na balw mia allh parametro: Prin apo 2  3 ebdomades katateqhke sth Boylh kai aposyrqhke, en mesw genikhs katakrayghs, mia tropologia h opoia anoige to dromo gia th nomimopoihsh olwn twn ayqairetwn. Qelw na sas rwthsw, an kata th gnwmh ths kybernhshs, h tropologia ayth enqarryne epidojoys emprhstes.

ANTWNAROS: Egw ayth th stigmh den eimai edw, kai den einai kai dikh moy doyleia, gia na apodwsw eyqynes. Ekeino to opoio proexei ayth th stigmh einai h apotelesmatikh katasbesh, h prostasia toy fysikoy ploytoy ths xwras mas kai h prostasia twn perioysiwn twn Ellhnwn politwn oi opoioi qigontai h prosballontai apo tis pyrkagies. Jerete para poly kala oti h shmerinh kybernhsh den exei kanei kamia kinhsh gia nomimopoihsh ayqairesiwn.

KYRITSHS: Kataqesate tropologia.

ANTWNAROS: Monos sas anaferqhkate sto ti egine.

KYRITSHS: Genikh katakraygh kai aposyrsh.

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino poy exei shmasia kai se ayto nomizw oti prepei na epikentrwqei kaneis, einai oti ayth th stigmh o megalos ogkos, h syntriptikh pleiochfia twn 307 dasikwn pyrkagiwn poy hrqan meta apo mia idiaitera monadikh gia th xwra mas klimatikh katastash, briskontai ypo elegxo. Xwris ayto na shmainei oti kaqe pyrkagia poy brisketai se ejelijh den einai poly epizhmia gia ton topo.

KYRITSHS: Wraia, epi toy idioy. Xqes o k. Polydwras eipe oti einai piqanon na xaqhke h maxh h en pash periptwsei na epaije kyriarxo rolo to gegonos oti yphrxe mia distaktikothta na ginei katasbesh me aeroporika mesa ekei poy einai oi pylwnes ths DEH gia logoys hlektrodothsews. H DEH me thn opoia epikoinwnhsame, mas eipe oti den zhthse se kamia periptwsh na prostateyqoyn oi pylwnes ths, oi opoioi oytws h allws exoyn paqei zhmia. Opote h erwthsh einai: Phre h kybernhsh thn politikh apofash na qysiasei thn Parnhqa yper ths hlektrodothsews h na riskarei thn Parnhqa prokeimenoy na mhn...

ANTWNAROS: Poios sas eipe oti gia ta epixeirhsiaka qemata pairnei apofaseis h kybernhsh;

KYRITSHS: Poios thn elabe ayth thn apofash; Giati egw akoysa oti...

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kamia proqesh na asxolhqw me epixeirhsiaka qemata. Den diaqetw allwste tis eidikes gnwseis.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h ektimhsh poy ekane o k. Polydwras oti to qema twn pyrkagiwn antimetwpisthke ikanopoihtika, apotelei kai qesh ths kybernhshs h qewroyn oti ftaiei gi` ayto h zesth kai oles aytes oi synqhkes... ;

ANTWNAROS: Sas epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora: Estw kai mia pyrkagia poy symbainei ston topo mas einai dysaresth. Ayto einai poly safes. H Ellada, omws, bgainei akomh apo to megalytero kyma zesths, kayswna, prwtofanwn qermokrasiwn poy gnwrise apo tote poy katagrafontai oi qermokrasies sth xwra mas. Shmasia exei, loipon, na antimetwpistoyn apotelesmatika, sto metro poy ginetai, oi pyrkagies oi opoies plhttoyn ayth th stigmh, me th syxnothta kai thn pyknothta poy sas eipa, th xwra.

KAPRALOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exei allajei kati sto programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy oson afora to Sabbatokyriako kai shmera thn prosynedriakh syndiaskech sthn Kerkyra;

ANTWNAROS: Mexri stigmhs den exw kati na sas pw ep` aytoy.

MPESKENHS: Symperainontas oti o k. Polydwras ejefraze th qesh ths kybernhshs meta th syskech me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Na symperanoyme epishs oti apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: Kaqe Ypoyrgos einai sth qesh toy. As mhn kanoyme gi` ayto to qema erwthseis oi opoies den exoyn antikeimeno.

LEONTITSH: Mhpws mporeite na mas kanete gnwstes tis peraiterw odhgies poy edwse o Prwqypoyrgos gia ton syntonismo ths epixeirhshs ths katasbeshs twn pyrkagiwn;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwnetai synexeia. Oi synarmodioi Ypoyrgoi, osoi emplekontai, einai stis qeseis toys, opws einai fysiko allwste kai gia ola ta kybernhtika kai kratika stelexh, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistei ayth h katastash. Edw exoyme mia katastash h opoia exei sxesh me ta fainomena ths fyshs.

LEONTITSH: Rwtw gia tis odhgies poy doqhkan apo thn pleyra toy Prwqypoyrgoy, giati pleon einai gnwsto kai oloi to akoyme apo xqes to brady kai apo ta reportaz poy ginontai kai apo ta radiofwna kai apo tis thleoraseis, yparxoyn polla parapona, Dhmarxoi, katoikoi kai eqelontes akomh miloyn gia elleiceis, miloyn gia elleich metrwn pyroprostasias, miloyn gia kaqysterhmenes epembaseis, gia asynennohsia yphresiwn...

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kamia proqesh  kai sas to lew me kaqe eilikrineia-- oyte katamerismo eyqynwn na kanw, oyte alles paremfereis anafores na kanw. Mhn jexnate oti h dasoprostasia, h prostasia apo tis pyrkagies, h antimetwpish twn pyrkagiwn einai ena poly synqeto qema me katamerismo, qa elega, armodiothtwn kai synepws eyqynwn. Shmasia omws, exei oti ayth th stigmh oloi osoi metexoyn  kai nomizw oti to kanoyn me aytaparnhsh, me aytoqysia kai me olo to koyragio kai oles tis dynameis tis opoies exoyn-- shmasia exei, loipon, oti oloi oi emplekomenoi kataballoyn oles tis prospaqeies poy xreiazontai wste na perifroyrhqei, na periswqei kai o fysikos ploytos ths xwras mas kai h idiokthsia Ellhnwn politwn opoy ayth qigetai h apeileitai.

GIANNISHS: H kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo th synergasia toy k. Foyrla me ton k. Koh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa, oti oloi oi emplekomenoi synergazontai kai exoyn ena koino stoxo: Na periorisoyn tis zhmies  giati zhmies asfalws yparxoyn-- kai na tis periorisoyn se ola ta epipeda.

GIANNISHS: Ean moy epitrepete, den sas rwthsa ayto, kyrie Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai poy proexei. Kai ayto, ayth th stigmh, prepei na apasxolei oloys kai apasxolei toylaxiston emas.

ROYMELIWTHS: Milhsate gia prwtofaneis synqhkes kai ayto einai adiamfisbhthto. Omws prwtofaneis synqhkes htan h katoxh, tote eixe prostateyqei o Eqnikos Drymos, dhladh h Parnhqa. Twra jerame oti tis epomenes meres qa yparxoyn ayta ta fainomena sth xwra mas. Ta jerame ayta...

ANTWNAROS: As mhn sygkrinoyme tetoies katastaseis. Den qelw asfalws na ypotimhsw ti perase h xwra mas, ti perasan oi polites ths xwras mas thn periodo sthn opoia anaferqhkate. Edw omws milame gia ena fysiko fainomeno toy opoioy oi parametroi ekfeygoyn se poly megalo baqmo apo ton elegxo toy anqrwpoy. Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora  kai ayto allwste einai kati to opoio den xreiazetai perissoterh analysh, giati akribws einai pasifanes kai dysaresto-- oti exoyme tis xeiroteres, oson afora tis ychles qermokrasies, synqhkes poy katagrafhkan pote sth xwra mas, ston topo mas edw kai 100 kai pleon xronia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Apo o,ti katalabainw, dhladh, mas lete oti h kybernhsh aifnidiasthke k. Ekproswpe. Ayto mas lete.

ANTWNAROS: Mh moy apodidete pragmata ta opoia egw oydepote eipa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh htan prwtofaneis oi synqhkes, otan eixe hdh ekponhqei kai eixe diatypwqei h yparjh eqnikoy sxedioy. Etsi den einai;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws. Edw kai arketoys mhnes, apo ton Martio ean den me apata h mnhmh moy.

PALAIOLOGOS: To gegonos, loipon, oti tosh wra mas lete oti oi kairikes synqhkes htan prwtofaneis kai o kayswnas htan megalos kai terastios kai oti h kybernhsh aifnidiasthke.

ANTWNAROS: Egw den sas eipa pote kati tetoio. Ta symperasmata mporei na ta bgazete monoi sas. Pantws, ta dika moy symperasmata den einai ayta. Kai to lew gia na mhn yparjei kamia apolytws paranohsh. Sas lew, omws, oti se geitonikh xwra, ama deite ligo ta stoixeia, opws einai h Italia opoy oi qermokrasies kai ekei einai poly ychles, alla safws xamhloteres apo th xwra mas se ayto to diasthma shmeiwqhkan zhmies poly pio ekteneis. Kai epanalambanw se ayto to shmeio: Kaqe zhmia poy prokaleitai kai sto fysiko ployto ths xwras mas kai sthn atomikh idiokthsia kai stoys anqrwpoys poy zoyn edw einai kati poy to antimetwpizoyme oloi me poly megalh lyph. Sas diabebaiwnw, omws, oti o kratikos mhxanismos htan apo thn prwth stigmh panetoimos kai proetoimasmenos gia na antimetwpisei ayta ta fysika fainomena.

BLABIANOS: Xaqhke, apo o,ti fainetai, to monadiko pleon dasos me elata poy apemene sthn Attikh, sthn Parnhqa kai akoygontas eidikoys fainetai oti h antikatastash toy einai ena zhthma arketwn ekatontadwn etwn. Ti skeftetai na kanei h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas to eipa kai prin: Prwton, ekeino poy apasxolei olo ton kratiko mhxanismo, ayth th stigmh, einai na sbhsoyn oles oi esties ths fwtias, oles oi pyrkagies. Deyteron, h shmerinh kybernhsh exei dwsei kai apo ta perasmena xronia poy eixame pyrkagies poly mikroterhs entashs kai poly mikroterhs ektashs, me mikroteres katastrofes, shmeia grafhs.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exoyme mia polh, thn Aqhna, h opoia exei tessera ekatommyria katoikoys kai exei sthn plath ths ena boyno, to opoio einai h Parnhqa.

ANTWNAROS: Exei perissotera apo ena boyno h Aqhna.

KYRITSHS: Ena poy den eixe kaei, en pash periptwsei, ean to qelete analytikotera. Epeidh anaferqhkate sthn Italia kai eipate oti eixe megalyteres zhmies, pragmatika pisteyete oti ypesth h Italia fetos apo fwties megalyterh zhmia apo ayth poy yfistatai h Aqhna tis teleytaies hmeres; Kai entajei, en pash periptwsei, ayth th stigmh eiste sth fash ths pyrosbeshs. Meta prokeitai na anazhthqoyn eyqynes h qewreite oti o kratikos mhxanismos exei antapokriqei (den akoygetai) kai sta dyo qelw apanthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Egw eimai ekproswpos ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai me ayth thn idiothta briskomai kai shmera mprosta sas. Prwton, ekfrazw kai ejefrasa kai eisagwgika  kai to kanw gia mia akomh fora-- th baqia moy lyph gia thn apwleia estw kai enos spitioy, estw kai enos dendroy, estw kai enos qamnoy. Kaqe apwleia apo pyrkagia einai katadikastea. Alla den mporei kaneis na mhn pei oti tetoia fainomena den symbainoyn mono sth xwra mas. Deyteron, o kratikos mhxanismos kinhqhke taxytata. Kinhqhke oso mporoyse kai me tis dynatothtes poy edine kai h pyknothta twn pyrkagiwn, twn estiwn poy sas anefera, kai polles fores h prosbash mesw edafoys stoys topoys opoy ekdhlwqhkan oi pyrkagies. Ayth th stigmh, o kratikos mhxanismos kai oi andres oi opoioi exoyn to dyskolo ergo ths pyrosbeshs briskontai plhrws anaptygmenoi se ola ayta ta metwpa. Oso gia to deytero erwthma poy moy apeyqynate, sas exw hdh apanthsei. H kybernhsh ayth exei dwsei sygkekrimena deigmata grafhs, oti apotelesmatika kai me synepeia antimetwpizei tis dysmeneis synepeies tetoiwn fysikwn katastrofwn.

POYLIDOY: Sygnwmh ep` aytoy, den katalaba. Qa anazhthqoyn eyqynes; Dhladh, qa ginei EDE;

ANTWNAROS: Exete thn entypwsh oti ayth th stigmh poy briskomaste en mesw...

POYLIDOY: Oxi twra.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, olo ton kratiko mhxanismo ayto ton apasxolei: Na antimetwpisei panw apo triakosies pyrkagies --pote allote den exoyn symbei sthn Ellada-- poy briskontan tis teleytaies 48-60 wres se ejelijh. Meta ola ta alla. Shmasia exei na prostateysoyme ton topo.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sygnwmh. Opws eipate prin kai eseis, h kybernhsh den asxoleitai me thn epixeirhsiakh antimetwpish. Me ayto asxoloyntai oi entetalmenoi foreis. H kybernhsh asxoleitai me thn politikothta toy qematos. Ara, qelw na pw, kata thn ektimhsh sas kai apo tis syskeceis, yparxei qema eyqynwn poy qa anazhthqoyn meta tayta;

ANTWNAROS: Oi syskeceis epikentrwqhkan sthn apotelesmatikh antimetwpish aytoy toy fysikoy fainomenoy, to opoio einai prwtofanes se ektash gia th xwra mas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw qa epimeinw sto erwthma.

ANTWNAROS: Dikaiwma sas. To exw pei kai alles fores. Den xreiazetai na moy to lete eisagwgika.

PALAIOLOGOS: H kybernhsh kai eseis proswpika qewreite oti leitoyrghse acoga h kybernhsh kai oi synarmodioi Ypoyrgoi se epipedo syntonismoy oti den yphrje kamia diafwnia metajy toys; Oti, telos pantwn, ola kinhqhkan acoga kai ta metra antimetwpishs htan ta endedeigmena;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei eisagwgika, exw kanei megalh analysh, megalh topoqethsh panw se ayto. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia to sygkekrimeno...

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti ean labete ypoch sas ayto poy sas eipa, thn prwtofanh monadikothta ths ektashs toy fainomenoy kai twn kairikwn synqhkwn poy epikratoysan mexri xqes brady ston topo mas, se olh thn epikrateia, mporei eykola na katalhjei kaneis sthn apanthsh. Nomizw oti qa th dinate kai eseis ston eayto sas.

MPESKENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na symperanoyme oti opote exoyme kayswna qa kaigetai kai kanena dasos;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den me akoysate kala.

MPESKENHS: Anafereste diarkws se entona fainomena. Rwtw, loipon, ean ayta ta entona fainomena...

ANTWNAROS: Eyxaristws na sas dwsw meta oles tis statistikes poy xreiazetai gia na deite th monadikothta toy fainomenoy. Sas eipa oti kaqe dasos, kaqe dendro, kaqe qamnos poy xanetai einai apwleia. Parola tayta, prepei na dei kaneis se ti klimatiko periballon breqhke h xwra mas tis teleytaies hmeres. Kai qa sas pw kai kati akomh poy akoyw apo toys eidikoys, aplws to metaferw ws plhroforia. Akribws logw ths megalhs diarkeias kai twn ychlwn qermokrasiwn toy kayswna, eixame ta xamhlotera pososta ygrasias, poly xamhla pososta ygrasias. Exw ayth thn plhroforia, alla parakalw na to tsekarete. Den eimai eidikos kai den qelw na analabw thn eyqynh, alla ayto ti shmainei; Oti oi synqhkes htan asynhqista dysmeneis gia th xwra mas kai to jeroyme oloi. Oloi edw zoyme.

ROYMELIWTHS: Eixan enhmerwqei oi synarmodioi Ypoyrgoi kai oi foreis egkairws gi` aytes tis prwtofaneis synqhkes gia na mporesoyn na paroyn ta metra toys;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gi` ayto to qema to exw pei. Exei topoqethqei kai o k. Polydwras, o opoios milhse shmera meta thn prwinh syskech poy egine ypo ton Prwqypoyrgo.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ek toy apotelesmatos, o kratikos mhxanismos edeije anetoimos na antapokriqei stis akraies aytes kairikes synqhkes kai sthn periptwsh toy kayswna kai sthn periptwsh twn pyrkagiwn, opoy edw, sthn periptwsh twn pyrkagiwn pia eixame oikologikh katastrofh kai sto Phlio kai sthn Parnhqa. Den prepei na bgoyn ta anagkaia symperasmata apo thn kybernhsh, wste thn epomenh fora o kratikos aytos mhxanismos na einai etoimos; Giati, apo o,ti mas lete, ola eginan kala.

ANTWNAROS: Eseis qelete shmera, enw yparxei se ejelijh prospaqeia katasbeshs kai elegxoy toy megaloy ariqmoy twn pyrkagiwn, na odhghqw se poiotikes kriseis. Den prokeitai na to kanw. Egw ekeino to opoio sas eipa kai ejakoloyqw na to lew einai oti, epeidh milhsate gia akraia fainomena, einai prwtofanh fainomena. Den einai aplws akraia. Kai ayto einai, eite qelei na to paradexqei kaneis, eite oxi, pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh. Ta klimatika stoixeia einai katagegrammena. Ekeino, loipon, to opoio metraei ayth th stigmh einai oti apo thn prwth stigmh oloi osoi einai kai htan tagmenoi gia thn antimetwpish aytwn twn fainomenwn kai oxi monon aytoi alla kai polloi ma para polloi eqelontes, breqhkan ekei opoy eprepe na breqoyn gia na antimetwpisoyn ayto to prwtofanes fainomeno. As perimenoyme, loipon, thn ekbash toy. Shmasia exei na sbhsoyn oles oi fwties to taxytero dynaton.

Qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw oti shmera stis 13.30  anakoinwqhke prin ligo apo to Grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy-- o Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei to Kentro Epixeirhsewn toy Pyrosbestikoy Swmatos, prokeimenoy na enhmerwqei epi topoy.

KAKALHS: En oligois, h kybernhsh anagnwrizei ston eayto ths kapoies eyqynes gi` ayto to egklhma poy egine sthn Parnhqa;

ANTWNAROS: Xrhsimopoieite ekfraseis ...

KAKALHS: Amfisbhteite to egklhma; Makari na htan to problhma oi ekfraseis oi dikes moy. To problhma einai oti exei ginei mia tromerh...

ANTWNAROS: Exei ginei mia katastrofh. Se ayto me brisketai symfwno. Apo thn pleyra moy, ayth th stigmh, oyte qelw, oyte prokeitai na apodwsw eyqynes. Den einai h stigmh ths apodoshs eyqynwn ayth. Einai h stigmh ths antimetwpishs enos problhmatos poy brisketai se ejelijh. Kai oloi oi Ellhnes polites, eimai bebaios oti ayto qeloyn: Na antimetwpistei apotelesmatika to problhma.

KAKALHS: Ma, den sas enoxlei to gegonos oti h shmerinh kybernhsh qa perasei stis melanes selides ths istorias ws kybernhsh sth diarkeia ths opoias kahke h Parnhqa;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai mia dikh sas ektimhsh thn opoia den symmerizomai.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Milwntas nwritera sto radiofwniko staqmo Flash o dasologos k. Antwnhs Qeoxarhs eipe oti apo xqes apo tis 10 to prwi o dasarxhs ths Parnhqas eixe kroysei ton kwdwna toy kindynoy mhpws perasei h fwtia sto drymo apo ta Derbenoxwria. Se epikoinwnia poy eixe me th Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias kai ta PSEA, einai aytos kalos syntonismos;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw ta sygkekrimena stoixeia kai den mporw ayth th stigmh na sxoliasw kati gia to opoio den eimai enhmeros.

XRHSTAKOS: Qa hqela na epimeinw ligo sthn epomenh hmera kai einai ayto shmantiko dioti, kalws h kakws, oi fwties o,ti ekacan, ekacan kai qa sbhsoyn kapoia stigmh. Einai idiaiterws shmantiko oti h mish Ellada zei sto lekanopedio, ena lekanopedio to opoio exei tria boyna. Ta dyo apo ayta exoyn kaei. Opws qymamai egw apo thn empeiria moy kai to reportaz moy ta prohgoymena peripoy deka xronia, mia analogh pyrkagia eixame sthn Pentelh poy den yphrxan kai tote tetoies klimatikes synqhkes, alla en pash periptwsei, h epomenh hmera briskei toys misoys Ellhnes poy zoyn se mia poly dyskolh prwteyoysa apo oles tis synqhkes na mhn exei pneymones dasoys. Qa hqela na rwthsw, loipon, mporei na mhn exete stoixeia ayth thn wra, poies anadaswseis kai se poia ektash exoyn ginei apo tote mexri shmera kai ti protiqetai na kanei h kybernhsh apo edw kai pera, dioti einai idiaitera krisimo kai shmantiko oti briskomaste pleon se mia poly epikindynh periodo gia thn idia mas th zwh kai ton aera poy anapneoyme pia.

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eipa, h shmerinh kybernhsh kata th diarkeia ths qhteias ths, opote yphrjan dasikes pyrkagies, antimetwpise to qema me apolyth synepeia kai pisth efarmogh oswn apofasise. Dhladh, anadaswsh, antimetwpish synqhkwn oi opoies odhghsan endexomenws se pyrkagies. Eimai bebaios oti ean apotaqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio, dioti den eimai se qesh na sas dwsw ayth th stigmh tetoies eidikes plhrofories, qa exete ta stoixeia poy zhtate. Alla epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora ekeino poy sas eipa: Oti ayth th stigmh poy milame, opws allwste enhmerwqhkan oi synadelfoi sas kai prin apo ligo apo ton ekproswpo toy Pyrosbestikoy Swmatos, exoyme pyrkagies oi opoies briskontai se ejelijh. Ekeino poy metra, ekeino poy exei shmasia, ekeino poy prepei na einai prwteyon ws zhtoymeno, einai na sbhsoyn kai aytes oi pyrkagies me th symbolh olwn osoi emplekontai. Kai sas lew oti einai para polloi ekeinoi oi opoioi me aytoqysia, aytaparnhsh, me oles toys tis dynameis einai ekei gia na symballoyn se ayto to ergo, to opoio einai dyskolo. Dioti polles apo tis perioxes den einai eykola prosbasimes.

GIANNISHS : Mia dieykrinish gia na mh sas apodwsw laqos. Nwritera, eipate se enan synadelfo oti exei perissotera apo ena boyno h Aqhna. Ti ennoeite me ayto;

ANTWNAROS: H Aqhna periballetai apo thn Parnhqa, thn Pentelh, ton Ymhtto.

GIANNISHS: Profanws. To zhthma omws einai to ejhs : H oikologikh katastrofh h opoia exei syntelestei sthn Parnhqa ayth th stigmh...

ANTWNAROS: Ma, den prospaqw na meiwsw thn oikologikh katastrofh. Hmoyn safhs. Alla as eimaste kai akribeis stoys gewgrafikoys oroys. H Parnhqa einai enas drymos. Egw prwtos sas milhsa gia zhmia h opoia proklhqhke, mia fysikh katastrofh. Den arnoymai kai oyte prospaqw na meiwsw thn ektash aytoy toy fainomenoy poy blepoyme apo xqes to brady.

PALAIOLOGOS : Kyrie Ekproswpe, epibebaiwnete h diaceydete tis plhrofories poy qeloyn ton Prwqypoyrgo na einai sfodra dysaresthmenos apo ton tropo me ton opoio antedrase o k. Polydwras;

ANTWNAROS: As mhn epanerxomaste sto idio qema. Sas exw pei oti den topoqetoymai pote se qemata ta opoia exoyn sxesh me to qymiko --an qelete-- toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia einai oti o Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwnotan synexeia kai sygkalese shmera, me to prwto xarama, syskech olwn twn synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn kai kratikwn leitoyrgwn, prokeimenoy na enhmerwqei gia to ti eixe symbei mesa sth nyxta para tis synexeis enhmerwseis tis opoies eixe kai na xaraxqei h poreia gia th shmerinh hmera. Na doyme se ti katastash briskotan ekeinh thn wra h xwra kai pws qa ftasoyme sta apotelesmata poy oloi qeloyme: Dhladh, na sbhsei kai h teleytaia estia fwtias poy exoyme sth xwra mas.

KAKALHS: Giati o Prwqypoyrgos sygkalese to prwi th syskech kai twra paei sthn Pyrosbestikh kai den jekinhse aytes tis skeceis apo xqes, dhladh na analabei ton elegxo ths katastashs apo xqes, toylaxiston to meshmeri, meta th synanthsh me ton k. Prokoph Paylopoylo; Den qa eprepe toylaxiston na jekinhsei;

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti an eixe ginei to antiqeto qa moy eixate qesei thn idia erwthsh me allo tropo.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, o stoxos einai h epikoinwniakh diaxeirish; To qema htan na...

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa apo thn arxh, nomizw me pollh eilikrineia kai amesothta, poia einai h katastash, ti problhmata yparxoyn, pws antimetwpizontai apotelesmatika kai oti ekeino poy metraei einai na sbhsei kai h teleytaia estia fwtias ston topo. Den mporw na katalabw poy blepete thn prospaqeia tetoiwn epikoinwniakwn xeirismwn.

KAKALHS: To problhma htan apo xqes. Kai apo tote eixan eidopoihsei oi pantes. Kai o Prwqypoyrgos shmera erxetai na analabei th diaxeirish ths ypoqeshs.

ANTWNAROS: Mallon eiste aneparkws plhroforhmenos. Ean eixate epikoinwnhsei thlefwnika mazi moy, asfalws qa sas enhmerwna.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, apantwntas nwritera se erwthsh synadelfoy, an riskare h Kybernhsh thn Parnhqa xarin ths hlektrodothshs, apanthsate me ena erwthma: Poios sas eipe, eipate, oti gia ta epixeirhsiaka qemata lambanei apofaseis h Kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Nai.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Dhladh, olwn aytwn twn synarmodiwn Yphresiwn den yparxei enas Ypoyrgos, o opoios na syntonizei kai na epopteyei;

ANTWNAROS: Koitajte, ta epixeirhsiaka qemata, opws antilambaneste, einai qemata twn eidikwn. Exete thn entypwsh oti h Kybernhsh exei oles tis eidikes gnwseis gia toso eidika qemata; Shmasia exei oti kai ta dash kai oi dasikes ektaseis kai o eqnikos ploytos ths xwras mas prepei na prostateyqoyn kai bebaiws na ejasfalisqei h synexhs roh sthn hlektrodothsh ths xwras.

PALAIOLOGOS: An epitrepete, se synexeia ths erwthshs synadelfoy, gi ayto to logo den yparxei Politikh Prostasia kyrie Ekproswpe; Gia ejeidikeymenes gnwseis kai gia antimetwpish ths katastashs mesw epixeirhsiakwn sxediwn. H erwthsh einai: Diaxwrisate ta epixeirhsiaka sxedia apo tis politikes apofaseis kai eipate oti einai qema anqrwpwn me eidikes gnwseis. Kai h Politikh Prostasia tote ti rolo akribws exei; Aytos den einai o rolos ths, na syntonizei, na pairnei apofaseis se diasyndesh me toys armodioys Ypoyrgoys;

ANTWNAROS: Ma, poy blepete thn antifash;

PALAIOLOGOS: To diaxwrismo den katalabainw, metajy epixeirhsiakwn sxediwn kai apofasewn ths kybernhshs, poy kanate eseis.

ANTWNAROS: Egw den ekana kanena tetoio diaxwrismo. Eseis profanws blepete tetoio diaxwrismo. Aplws, ekeino to opoio sas lew einai oti ena politiko proswpo den mporei na exei eidikes gnwseis gia thn katasbesh twn pyrkagiwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gi ayto ton logo lew, to eidiko proswpo einai h Politikh Prostasia, o sygkekrimenos qesmos.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla ena politiko proswpo gnwrizei toylaxiston oti h Pyrosbestikh exei 1/3 ligotero proswpiko apo oti xreiazetai, oti xreiazontai proslhceis sthn Pyrosbestikh, xreiazetai na doqoyn kondylia ta opoia den dinontai h poy qa einai kaqysterhmena k.l.p. Se ayto den exei eyqynes h Kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, h sygkekrimenh kybernhsh  kai qa sas dwsw ola ta stoixeia, ta exete allwste sth diaqesh sas apo xqes  exei kanei hdh, alla kai exei dromologhsei kai alles proslhceis. Otan ena Swma kanei proslhceis, kathgoreitai h Kybernhsh oti kanei yperbolikes proslhceis. Otan den kanei proslhceis, kathgoreitai giati den kanei proslhceis. Mhn eytelizoyme omws tis prospaqeies poy kataballoyn, to lew akomh mia fora, me aytoqysia kai aytaparnhsh oloi ekeinoi oi opoioi einai epaggelmatika tagmenoi, alla kai eqelontes, gia thn antimetwpish toy sygkekrimenoy problhmatos poy yparxei se ejelijh ayth th stigmh.

MPESKENHS: Epeidh kaneis den mporei na epibebaiwsei ta prwtofanh fainomena sta opoia anaferqhkate oti mporei na epanalhfqoyn, yparxei kapoia skech gia anaprosarmogh h kapoion anasxediasmo aytoy toy eqnikoy sxedioy gia thn katapolemhsh twn pyrkagiwn;

ANTWNAROS: Otan yparjei kati, qa enhmerwqeite.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pote kathgorhqhke h kybernhsh otan ekane proslhceis se kairioys tomeis; Giati, allo pragma einai oi proslhceis agrofylakwn kai allo pragma oi proslhceis noshleytikoy proswpikoy gia paradeigma.

ANTWNAROS: Epanerxesqe sto agaphmeno sas qema. Den prokeitai na parakoloyqhsw se ayth thn frastikh parekklish thn opoian kanete.

Sas eyxaristw.


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